Why Rosemary’s Baby Is The Ultimate Blueprint For Psychological Manipulation

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All right, lean in for a second because we need

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to talk about the absolute blueprint for parental

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paranoia. We're stepping into the apartment building

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that basically birthed modern psychological horror.

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And no, Coco, I'm not talking about your last

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apartment complex, though the landlord vibe was

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familiar. Talking about Rosemary's Baby. What

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a masterpiece this movie is. This is Parallel

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Frequencies. I am just playing. She is Coco.

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You're the freaks. What's up over there, Coco?

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Are you ready for Rosemary's Baby? More than

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ready. More than ready. I have never seen this

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movie before and watched it. To prepare for this

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episode today, for you freaks, and as I'm watching

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it, I'm thinking, how is this the first time

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I've ever seen this? Right? I figured, I didn't

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want to hype it up. for you too much i wanted

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you to kind of be surprised but i knew what you

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were getting into you know i don't know what

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i was getting into when i ordered my package

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you see i'm still sitting here waiting on that

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we're still sitting here waiting for your package

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same spot same clothes same clothes worse worse

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smell at this point so everything's the same

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except the smell um Yeah, I probably. No, no,

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no. But for real, we're actually recording ahead

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of time. Tell us why we're recording ahead of

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time. All right. Well, it's Wistful Wednesday.

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But on Wednesday, about three months in advance,

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I scheduled a mom's day off. This is a. yearly

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tradition that i do for myself i have invited

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other moms sometimes other moms can make it sometimes

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i can't sometimes i do it all by myself which

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might be the case when i when i take the day

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off but i like to take advantage of the last

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few weeks of school i feel this kind of ticking

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time bomb sort of yeah it's like It's not really

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impending doom per se, but it is an impending

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change of lifestyle, if that makes sense. It

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does. I am the primary caregiver and momager

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of my household. So it's a lot of responsibility.

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Three boys all of summer, all the time. And I

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just like to take these last few weeks before

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they get out of school to do one day where I

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just play hooky for the day. And I just go do

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whatever I want to do for the day. So that's

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what I'm doing on Wistful Wednesday. Do you tell

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people that you're doing this or do you just

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secretly go do it? Or what happens here? What

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are you going to do? I'll have to block it on

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my schedule. That's why we're recording this

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a day early because I need to block the schedule

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off, make sure that I don't accidentally schedule

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other things because I will. I'm just so like

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me to do that, but I make sure that people know.

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And then I invite my favorite mom friends. I'll

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like pick some mom friends I know and be like,

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Hey, I'm doing this. If it works out in your

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schedule that you could take the day off to and

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come with me. Great. So sometimes last year I

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had a group of four of us that all went together.

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It was super fun. That's fine. So, so this is

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going to be airing after this happens. So let's

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talk to future Coco. Let's talk to future Coco.

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How was your day? What did you do for your mom's

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day? Where did you go? What happened? So restful.

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I feel so invigorated. I like to ride the tracks

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just because it's fun and it's a fun way to get

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into the city. So take the tracks in. There's

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this great little cafe. I might mess up the name

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of it because I've never heard it pronounced

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out loud. But it's like Cave Cafe or Cave Cafe.

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It's a Turkish. coffee place in Salt Lake. And

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it's kind of like almost to the avenues. So old

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Victorian houses that were made into, you know,

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Airbnbs and coffee houses and things like that.

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So it's cute. Cute little artsy vibe. There's

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tarot readers like me, Reiki healers like me.

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It's my people. It's my vibe. So I'll take a

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book. I'll go order me some coffee and some baklava

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and some good pastries and treats. And I'll just

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sit. Sip my coffee. So you ride the train. You

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ride tracks up there. I have never ridden tracks.

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But I was a frequent flyer of the Hollywood Red

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Line or anything right there in L .A. because

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I used public transportation for the five years

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or so I was there. First five years. Honestly,

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I used public transportation. I would not get

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a car because I didn't have a parking place in

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my apartment. And I was not going to fight Hollywood

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parking on the street every night. So I rode

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the buses and trains. It was wild. So I need

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to ride tracks. I should ride tracks. I got an

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idea. I got an idea. What if me and you ride

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tracks together and record an episode and we

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do the movie Snowpiercer? Now, I know you may

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not know what that is, but it just clicked in

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my head. That would be the movie we should talk

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about while riding a train to downtown Salt Lake.

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I think that'd be fun. What do you think? We

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should do it? Absolutely. We'd be the coolest

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people on the train. I mean, are you kidding?

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There'd be like people riding it up to the U

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to go to school. There's college kids ride it

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all the time. It goes straight. The red line

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goes straight from here where we live in our

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neighborhood to. to the U all the way on the

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other side. So I see a lot of, and then you'd

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be like, so jealous of us. Like, excuse me, guys,

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we're podcasting over here. Okay. Yeah. Now I

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took you to the subway in Hollywood. Wow. Right.

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We wrote the, we wrote the, um, Hollywood and

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Vine, the red line, the red line. Yeah. I, I

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mean, I've ridden the underground in London,

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super proud of myself. I'm one of those people

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who's actually terrified of public transportation.

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Not because I think like there's weirdos on the

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train or like any of that kind of stuff. I'm

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not worried about that. I am terrified of getting

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lost. I'm terrified of my own incompetence and

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not being able to figure out that I got on the

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right train, going the right direction to get

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me where I need to go. So we don't have like

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as much of an intricate system as some of the

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big cities like LA, London, you know. Salt Lake

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has kind of their simpler. Yeah. From what I've

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seen, it's nice. It's really nice here. So, yeah,

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we're going to put that on the docket that we're

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going to watch Snowpiercer, the movie. There's

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a TV series that came out, too. And this this

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movie is wild. Yeah, I'm not going to tell you

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what it's all about, but we'll get to that. But

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right now, Wistful Wednesday, Rosemary's Baby.

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I want to speak on this right off the top. Roman

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Polanski, director. This is one of those situations

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where and you can come at me. You can. Debate

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with us. You can join the conversation, freaks,

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but can you separate art with the artist? Because

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Roman Polanski is a piece of shit. He evaded

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the U .S. to, or he left the U .S. to evade a

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statutory rape trial, and he's still been there.

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Lots of stuff going on. Lots of people have certain

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feelings about all that, but I can't just glance

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over that and not say anything. Especially...

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especially with some of the content that's in

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this movie that we see. And it's like, huh? All

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right. Well, I saw the inspiration for what he,

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you know, so it's, it's, it's disgusting. What's

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what, what happened there? And like I said, there's,

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it's, it's been a while. He's been there since

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1978. So this is what that's 48 years. I think

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my math is close. 50 ish, close to 50 years.

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I can only hope, even though he evaded punishment

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here, that perhaps he's. not continuing the same

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behavior over there and then hasn't, or maybe

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he doesn't get caught again. I don't know, but

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it's, it's always been a thing too. Can we separate

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the art from the artist? Because we go through

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that in music too. We see that with people like

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Kanye West. Yay. Now, you know, he was hailing

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Hitler at one point. And then, yeah. How do you

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still listen? R Kelly was another one, you know,

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he's off in prison now. Do you still appreciate

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his music? Those are a little bit different to

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me because Roman Polanski making a movie, the

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art isn't just his. You got all these other people

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in this that you've got to give some respect

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to. And I want them, I want the Mia Farrow, I

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want, you know, these people to be put on a pedestal

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above him because without them, this movie, I

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don't care. It wouldn't have happened. It wouldn't

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have been what it ended up being. Now that I

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got that past, you know, like, I don't want to

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talk anymore about Roman Polanski. No more about

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that. We'll talk just about Rosemary's Baby,

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the incredible performance from Mia Farrow, and

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everybody else involved. I mean, we talk about

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cast chemistry all the time, and cast alchemy

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is one phrase I found, I came up with yesterday,

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remember? This one was cast alchemy complete.

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Like John Cassavetes as Guy Woodhouse, Mia Farrow,

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Ruth Gordon, Sidney Blackburn, Ralph Bellamy,

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Maurice Evans. You can keep going down this list.

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And these were heavy hitters for every, every

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scene. This movie doesn't have a scene where

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you can just kind of kick back and relax. It's

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not going to happen. The entire thing. You got

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a whole character with the apartment building

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that they're in themselves. Like there's so much

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going on and so many layers to this movie. I

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watched this movie twice last night and still

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saw different stuff. You know, I did. I watched

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it back to back last night. So yeah, go ahead

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and give me off the top Coco, because this was

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your first watch. What did you think? So much,

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so much going on here. Let's start with the very

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beginning. Let's start with the apartment itself.

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Like architecture, history. This is something

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we live in the Western United States. So a lot

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of the old buildings we see here and even some

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of them are getting demolished and replaced quickly.

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There may be a hundred years old. But one of

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the things you find when you leave the West and

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you go to the like New York, for example, or

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if you. go across the pond to a european country

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and you go people are living in 400 year old

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houses and buildings like it's insane to me and

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i love seeing the architecture as they walk you

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through the building and they walk you through

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the apartment One thing you'll notice is how

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compartmentalized the floor plans were at a certain

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time. I like architecture, so this is just like

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my nerdiness coming out. But, you know, nowadays

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we're all about the open concept and the flow.

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And, you know, it's interesting to me that they

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had like a nice, big, open living room that you

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had to get through this hallway to. You've got

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this gorgeous fireplace, even after they paint

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it, and it's all white. It's so pretty. But it's

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right across the hall from their bedroom. That's

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not something you would typically see because

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it was like the private chambers are right there

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across from the public area of the house where

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you bring guests. So that's just like first impressions.

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I just loved that the apartment being a cast

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member was. part of that experience of like what's

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going on yeah and how about that opening the

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the cinematography on the opening right there

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with a la la la la la that music that eerie kind

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of yet settling music it's unsettling and settling

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at the same time but we if you notice the cinematography

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there we kind of come floating in you come floating

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into that building like it's something that got

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into the building And you're already kind of

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feeling like, man, something's kind of off. But

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I do love the architecture. Let's get into Gaslighting.

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Because that is what this movie is. Oh, my God.

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Guy Woodhouse in Gaslighting makes him the villain

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of this movie. Played by John Cassavetes beautifully,

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by the way. 100 % the villain. Honestly, he might

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be the real villain of this place even before

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the demon with the yellow eyes pops up. And he's

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a struggling actor, which already probably got

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a chip on his shoulder. Let's just be real. He's

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doing commercials. Self -centered, you know,

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knows how to put on an act when he needs to.

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I mean, there's a lot of red flags. Yeah, I mean,

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he's doing commercials and tasting the dirt of

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rejection. He's ravenous for success. Will do

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anything for success. And then his main rival

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suddenly mysteriously goes blind. Already tipping

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off to the viewer. Hmm, what's going on? And

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then boom, guy gets the part. It's the ultimate

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Hollywood hustle taken to the most literal demonic

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extreme. What makes this movie... Itch under

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your skin 50 plus years later, because this thing

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came out in 1968, which is wild on its own to

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think that something like this came out. This

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was disturbing, you know, but 50 years later,

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it gets under our skin still because it's not

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the supernatural stuff. It's the human betrayal.

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You know, it's that because that stings when

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we see this. We see her. We know what she's going

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through. And you got so many people around her

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gaslighting her. Telling her it's okay. Uh -oh.

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There's the FedEx package. Got the package. It

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only took two days. No, we already went through

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that. We don't have to. You can finally shower.

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I can take a shower now. No, we're still filming

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this today. But I was talking about. Yeah, I

00:14:19.590 --> 00:14:25.120
was talking about the gaslighting. Yes. Nowhere

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to turn. That feeling that Mia Farrow's character

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would... By the way, I just want to give some

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accolades to Mia Farrow. What an amazing performance.

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I mean, that is what makes this movie what it

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is. It really reminds me of Shelley Duvall in

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The Shining. Is it Shelley Duvall? She's got

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that same kind of almost... I don't want to say

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homely because I hate using that kind of stuff.

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No, but desperate. Desperate. Desperate. Yeah,

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but she gave me that. She gave me the Shelly.

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And Shelly Duvall's performance came after this.

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So she may have taken a lot of inspiration from

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Mia Farrow's performance in Rosemary's Baby.

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But I did notice it. But go ahead on Mia Farrow

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and what she was doing because incredible. Yeah,

00:15:09.259 --> 00:15:13.940
the emotions. Oh, just feel for her. But like

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the feeling that she starts to get where everything

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feels like the walls are closing in and she has

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nowhere to turn. No one to help her. It's so

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sad that that, you know, comes with this horror

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movie aspect of like what supernatural things

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are happening to her in the movie. That it's

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actually really relatable. It's actually really

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relatable to a lot of women and a lot of circumstances

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where. You get yourself into a place where there's

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just nowhere to turn for help. You're trying

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to find safety. You're trying to find someone

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who will believe you. I'm not crazy. I know what

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I see. I know what I feel. And everywhere you

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turn, even Dr. Hill betrays her. What? Come on.

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I'm just devastated for her. it also feels like

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a sort of familiar feeling. Not that I've been

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in a place that dire in my life, but just as

00:16:10.509 --> 00:16:15.570
a woman, I think we carry a sort of generational

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trauma inside of ourselves that understands this

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kind of, there's nowhere safe for you to be.

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You're under the thumb of these, I don't know,

00:16:27.490 --> 00:16:31.990
men, I guess. Yeah, but I think there's a real

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parallel. Like, I think there's a corporate parallel

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to this. You know, like the fact that Guy Woodhouse

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trades his wife's autonomy for a Broadway deal.

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Just like that. Sold his soul and his wife and

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his child. I mean, that's an ultimate casting

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couch horror story right there, wrapped up in

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a velvet coven robe. You know, like, it's...

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I've been in corporate and media long enough

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to know that there are some serious occult vibes

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that are in parts of it. And it may not be, you

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know, a chalice, a tennis root or whatever they

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were wearing. You know, sometimes you just need

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a middle management title and a corporate credit

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card. And it's the same thing. Yeah. You know,

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I just. Right. Somebody is in charge and somebody

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needs their worship. Which which brings me up

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to ask the question to you, to the freaks. Like

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when in your career have you realized that the

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price of admission or when in life have you realized

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that the price of admission is just a little

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too high? You know, like that's what. I look

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at, in Guy Woodhouse's case, that price of admission

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was a little too high for what you, you know,

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gave. So, yeah, but I just, I could see that.

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Let's talk about Roman and Minnie. Yes, let's.

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My favorite character and actress in this entire

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movie, though, of course, Mia Farrow did a great

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job, you know, nothing against that, but Gordon

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playing Minnie. My favorite. Hands down. She

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won an Oscar deservedly for this role right here.

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I didn't even know that. Yeah, she did. I mean,

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you can double check me out there. Freaks make

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sure. I think I'm just... I remember, I believe

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she did win an Oscar. But these people are the...

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ultimate personification of the smothering community

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they look eccentric colorful high society grandparents

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you know like it's like they they're putting

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off a facade basically because they're running

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a whole lot tighter ship than they seem to to

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portray you know so right off the bat though

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you kind of you kind of love them right i do

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i i would love being neighbors with them honestly

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I mean, they kind of give off just this, yeah,

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maybe a little overbearing. I mean, you can see

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it when she's settling in to rest and be at home

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for the evening and read a book. And all of a

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sudden they're at her door and they're like,

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can we come in? You know, and you kind of were

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like, well, sometimes I just want to be alone.

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But I mean, you have neighbors that feel that

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comfortable and are there to like care for you

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and invite you to dinner. Her natural way of

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speaking to Rosemary, the way she just, you know,

00:19:43.730 --> 00:19:45.529
oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's fine. It's fine. I'll

00:19:45.529 --> 00:19:47.950
talk to you later. Okay. Well, we'll see you

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on the other side. And this is my impression

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of Minnie. I don't know if it's good, but this

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is what I'm doing. So I would love to be in your,

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oh, sweetheart, you're looking great. You look

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so thin. You know, all the things. I just, I

00:20:00.650 --> 00:20:04.190
just fell in love with her. And I could see why

00:20:04.190 --> 00:20:07.519
you would. Invite her into your life and want

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her to be around and help you pick colors for

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your nursery, right? Let's be completely honest.

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If a neighbor like her, well, first of all, if

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they hand you a Lucky Charm that smells like

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a dumpster behind a seafood restaurant, you're

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probably going to toss that bastard into the

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river. But Rosemary being polite, isolated, that's

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the big one. She's isolated. And that's what

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they prey on. Yeah. You know, like, but if we

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had neighbors like that. I'd be welcoming at

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first. That's how I am. But when you start showing

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up at my door and I'm trying to have me time,

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I'm going to say no. I'm going to say, no, you're

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not coming in right now. Sorry. Yeah. Yeah. Boundaries,

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people. This is a good lesson. And boundaries

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are okay. Boundaries are loving. Boundaries are

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kind. And people who respect your boundaries

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are people who love and honor you. Yeah, it should

00:21:02.940 --> 00:21:05.940
have been less people pleasing and more boundary

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holding, I think, maybe would have saved Rosemary

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quite a lot. Let's get into the real horror of

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this movie. And we've kind of touched on it already.

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And it's the fear of not being believed. That,

00:21:21.660 --> 00:21:27.720
to me, is the emotional core of this movie. It

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hits a whole lot different depending on where

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you are in life. Rosemary knows something is

00:21:33.380 --> 00:21:37.319
deeply, inherently wrong. Her body's telling

00:21:37.319 --> 00:21:41.180
her. Instincts are screaming at her. It's a woman's

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intuition, once again. You go in, you tell the

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doctor what's wrong, and they say, no, no, no,

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no, no, no. You got this. Take some Tylenol.

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And you end up with exactly what you said was

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wrong. So it happens all the time. And she's

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losing it. Believe yourself. Believe your gut.

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Believe your intuition. Follow it. Usually if

00:22:01.839 --> 00:22:03.539
you've got an impression or feeling about something,

00:22:03.680 --> 00:22:08.539
you are almost always right. Exactly. Like her

00:22:08.539 --> 00:22:11.619
body telling her, you know, it's screaming at

00:22:11.619 --> 00:22:14.019
her. She's losing weight. She's pregnant. How

00:22:14.019 --> 00:22:15.119
do you lose weight when you're pregnant? You're

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not supposed to. She's in excruciating pain.

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She's eating raw meat straight from the butcher

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paper. Like, come on. Something's not right.

00:22:23.440 --> 00:22:28.099
You know, like. You feel for her. Don't get me

00:22:28.099 --> 00:22:31.279
wrong, guys. The first trimester in pregnancy,

00:22:31.559 --> 00:22:34.019
and sometimes for a lot of people the whole time

00:22:34.019 --> 00:22:37.599
through, the sickness and the morning sickness

00:22:37.599 --> 00:22:39.140
and the things that you go through, I mean, it

00:22:39.140 --> 00:22:42.000
can be a crazy wild ride in a normal pregnancy.

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So I kind of get the feeling she was trying to

00:22:46.599 --> 00:22:49.180
write it off. Like, well, it's normal. I mean,

00:22:49.200 --> 00:22:52.579
it's... You know, my doctors are telling me it's

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OK. And, you know, it's her first time being

00:22:56.619 --> 00:22:58.259
pregnant. How would she know any different? Right.

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I mean, you got to give her credit for I think

00:23:00.880 --> 00:23:02.680
most women would be in that same boat. They would

00:23:02.680 --> 00:23:04.700
be like, yeah, but it's normal to lose a little

00:23:04.700 --> 00:23:06.319
bit of weight at first because you're sick a

00:23:06.319 --> 00:23:09.660
lot. And then I'll gain weight later. And she

00:23:09.660 --> 00:23:12.859
didn't know any better. Exactly. And every single

00:23:12.859 --> 00:23:15.940
man in her life, her husband, her prestigious

00:23:15.940 --> 00:23:19.299
doctor, the system tells her she's just being

00:23:19.299 --> 00:23:23.960
a hysterical pregnant woman, completely invalidating

00:23:23.960 --> 00:23:26.259
her reality. She knows what's going on. They

00:23:26.259 --> 00:23:29.299
dial down her volume until she sounds like static

00:23:29.299 --> 00:23:31.759
in the radio and they don't want to hear it.

00:23:31.819 --> 00:23:34.400
It's just all of her autonomy. They take away

00:23:34.400 --> 00:23:38.150
all respect for her. And by the way. I mean,

00:23:38.150 --> 00:23:40.890
it shouldn't just be pregnant women, but in general,

00:23:40.950 --> 00:23:43.970
if you're ever wondering how to treat a woman,

00:23:44.089 --> 00:23:47.450
if anyone out there is wondering, like, what

00:23:47.450 --> 00:23:52.710
is the right way? Generally speaking, to be nurtured

00:23:52.710 --> 00:23:55.029
and cared for and treated with a certain level

00:23:55.029 --> 00:23:58.349
of respect is so wonderful. Like when you're

00:23:58.349 --> 00:24:00.349
pregnant, you want people to treat you like.

00:24:00.890 --> 00:24:02.990
You're growing life inside of you. We got to

00:24:02.990 --> 00:24:04.829
take care of you. Let's make sure you're eating.

00:24:05.009 --> 00:24:07.289
Let's make sure you're sleeping. That's all fine.

00:24:07.430 --> 00:24:10.809
That's all great. But to act like, oh, you don't

00:24:10.809 --> 00:24:14.029
know what you're talking about. You just be quiet.

00:24:14.250 --> 00:24:16.809
Oh, you can't have that. You can't eat that.

00:24:16.849 --> 00:24:19.589
You can't do that. And then to like lock it down,

00:24:19.670 --> 00:24:24.289
like having them in charge of you. Yes. And that's

00:24:24.289 --> 00:24:28.970
what I'm saying right there is they are in charge

00:24:28.970 --> 00:24:32.599
enough to where. You are sitting there speaking

00:24:32.599 --> 00:24:36.960
truth. That scene where they're all in the room,

00:24:37.000 --> 00:24:40.960
basically, and she, Rosemary, is speaking nothing

00:24:40.960 --> 00:24:44.299
but the truth. And they are all standing there

00:24:44.299 --> 00:24:46.799
around looking at her saying, no, no, no, no,

00:24:46.799 --> 00:24:49.980
no, no. That's terrifying. When you are trapped

00:24:49.980 --> 00:24:53.680
in a single room. And you can't do anything about

00:24:53.680 --> 00:24:56.480
that. That to me is the psychological isolation,

00:24:56.700 --> 00:24:59.980
not just isolated physically. Now you've got

00:24:59.980 --> 00:25:04.359
the psychological part and you know, it's who's

00:25:04.359 --> 00:25:07.480
opening and holding the door open for the monster.

00:25:08.039 --> 00:25:11.420
At that point, you got it open. You got the door

00:25:11.420 --> 00:25:13.299
open for that psychological trauma to come in

00:25:13.299 --> 00:25:14.980
and it's going to happen. Then you've got the

00:25:14.980 --> 00:25:17.759
supernatural stuff going on too. So yeah, but

00:25:17.759 --> 00:25:21.660
you, this, this to me. That's what's terrifying

00:25:21.660 --> 00:25:23.680
to me. It's like me sitting here saying, oh,

00:25:23.740 --> 00:25:26.380
the sky is blue. And somebody else telling you,

00:25:26.400 --> 00:25:27.759
looking you dead in the eye saying, no, no, no,

00:25:27.779 --> 00:25:30.460
no, no, no. And a bunch of people doing that

00:25:30.460 --> 00:25:33.539
to you to where you feel crazy. That's scary.

00:25:34.400 --> 00:25:36.559
There's a couple of little examples, like little

00:25:36.559 --> 00:25:40.019
microaggressions that you see. One that I remember

00:25:40.019 --> 00:25:41.920
was when they're fighting after the party and

00:25:41.920 --> 00:25:44.640
she's like, I'm not going to go see Dr. Saperstein

00:25:44.640 --> 00:25:47.380
anymore. I'm not taking those shakes that. those

00:25:47.380 --> 00:25:52.200
drinks. I'm not doing it. I got to find another,

00:25:52.279 --> 00:25:54.019
I got to get a second opinion. I got to get a

00:25:54.019 --> 00:25:57.859
second opinion. And he says, how's that going

00:25:57.859 --> 00:26:00.700
to make the doctor feel? Or he says something

00:26:00.700 --> 00:26:02.640
like along the lines of like, well, your hurt

00:26:02.640 --> 00:26:05.359
is feelings or how is he supposed to feel about

00:26:05.359 --> 00:26:08.519
that? And she's like, what do you mean? How is

00:26:08.519 --> 00:26:11.819
he supposed to feel? I remember like that scene

00:26:11.819 --> 00:26:16.059
being so like, oh my gosh. She's actually being

00:26:16.059 --> 00:26:21.420
expected to put some doctor's feelings ahead

00:26:21.420 --> 00:26:25.740
of how she is being cared for as the pregnant

00:26:25.740 --> 00:26:29.319
woman who's supposed to be cared for. And then

00:26:29.319 --> 00:26:31.019
the other one was when she was looking for the

00:26:31.019 --> 00:26:35.779
book and she had gotten her friend's book and

00:26:35.779 --> 00:26:37.839
it had given her clues about what was going on

00:26:37.839 --> 00:26:39.940
and she was looking for it and she's like, where's

00:26:39.940 --> 00:26:42.119
my book? And the husband's like, oh, he got rid

00:26:42.119 --> 00:26:44.829
of it. She's like, what do you mean? That was

00:26:44.829 --> 00:26:47.210
my – he gave it to me. That meant something to

00:26:47.210 --> 00:26:50.190
me. And he was like, it was upsetting you. And

00:26:50.190 --> 00:26:53.410
I just – like these little moments, I hope people

00:26:53.410 --> 00:26:56.730
watch this movie or see moments like that. If

00:26:56.730 --> 00:26:59.650
they're dating someone, these little things happen

00:26:59.650 --> 00:27:02.170
like that. They're little micro things. They

00:27:02.170 --> 00:27:04.329
might be easy to write off and be like, oh, they

00:27:04.329 --> 00:27:06.089
just weren't thinking or they're just being selfish

00:27:06.089 --> 00:27:10.250
in that moment or they were – You know, whatever.

00:27:10.430 --> 00:27:13.650
It was a momentary lapse in judgment. If you're

00:27:13.650 --> 00:27:16.190
seeing that kind of dynamic happening in a relationship

00:27:16.190 --> 00:27:20.069
with someone, red flags. Just run the other direction.

00:27:20.309 --> 00:27:23.809
It's a good rule of thumb. Absolutely. And there

00:27:23.809 --> 00:27:27.349
are so many instances of that that happen in

00:27:27.349 --> 00:27:30.670
this movie. Even when, let's talk about it, when

00:27:30.670 --> 00:27:34.549
he rapes her, that is a hard, hard, hard scene

00:27:34.549 --> 00:27:38.769
to watch. And when they're done and he's like,

00:27:40.249 --> 00:27:43.269
Oh, it's, it's, it's disgusting, but he's basically

00:27:43.269 --> 00:27:46.970
saying, oh, it's okay. No, it's not. Yeah. He's

00:27:46.970 --> 00:27:48.410
like, well, I didn't want to miss baby night.

00:27:48.490 --> 00:27:51.029
So you were passed out anyway. And it was kind

00:27:51.029 --> 00:27:53.029
of, you know, he kind of alludes to the fact

00:27:53.029 --> 00:27:55.809
that it was a little exciting for him. Yeah.

00:27:55.809 --> 00:28:00.450
That is not okay. And I was like, hell no. And

00:28:00.450 --> 00:28:03.529
he plays it off so nonchalantly, like it's just

00:28:03.529 --> 00:28:07.279
okay. And I'm like, I'm. If you sit – if anybody

00:28:07.279 --> 00:28:09.160
out there, man, woman, whatever, if you watch

00:28:09.160 --> 00:28:12.140
that scene right there and you feel okay, you

00:28:12.140 --> 00:28:15.660
need to get some help. Yeah. The big tool here

00:28:15.660 --> 00:28:20.940
is that being married, the woman's life and body

00:28:20.940 --> 00:28:24.779
are his property. And that is – again, it's not

00:28:24.779 --> 00:28:27.460
explicitly said. It's just implied in that kind

00:28:27.460 --> 00:28:30.140
of behavior. And that's something that I would

00:28:30.140 --> 00:28:34.019
like to think we've evolved. For some people,

00:28:34.039 --> 00:28:37.160
not so much. So I feel like this is a great time

00:28:37.160 --> 00:28:40.759
to just highlight that and say like, hey, that

00:28:40.759 --> 00:28:45.220
sort of culture, that sort of underlying belief

00:28:45.220 --> 00:28:47.960
system that we maybe have had in the past, it's

00:28:47.960 --> 00:28:50.480
dead now and we need to move on from that and

00:28:50.480 --> 00:28:54.180
call it out for what it is. Yeah, I'm going to

00:28:54.180 --> 00:28:55.779
tell you right now, watching that scene, it is

00:28:55.779 --> 00:28:59.319
not okay. Yeah, it feels very icky and triggering

00:28:59.319 --> 00:29:01.779
probably for a lot of women. I'm sure. I'm sure.

00:29:01.779 --> 00:29:07.089
It should. Everybody should feel icky watching

00:29:07.089 --> 00:29:11.230
that scene. And then that scene, it's early in

00:29:11.230 --> 00:29:13.950
the movie, but it leads to the climax of the

00:29:13.950 --> 00:29:19.349
movie. And we get to that famous or infamous

00:29:19.349 --> 00:29:24.210
final sequence where at this point, Rosemary,

00:29:24.250 --> 00:29:27.410
she finds the hidden door. She walks into this

00:29:27.410 --> 00:29:30.430
parlor and there's the black cradle. She's hearing

00:29:30.430 --> 00:29:32.470
a baby crying, and they're giving her lies about

00:29:32.470 --> 00:29:34.109
that. They're saying, oh, somebody else moved

00:29:34.109 --> 00:29:37.509
in. Yeah, she figures it out. Yeah, but that's

00:29:37.509 --> 00:29:39.990
the thing. That's also the thing, too. When she

00:29:39.990 --> 00:29:42.509
goes through that spill, and she lays out every

00:29:42.509 --> 00:29:45.410
single thing that has happened and has been done,

00:29:45.589 --> 00:29:50.109
and it's none of this, well, I think this happened.

00:29:50.309 --> 00:29:53.829
And she says it factually. That's where you know

00:29:53.829 --> 00:29:58.160
she knows. And it hits, and it's like. Oh, my

00:29:58.160 --> 00:30:02.599
God. Like, what now? Yeah. And when she's in

00:30:02.599 --> 00:30:07.000
there and she looks at the baby, I love this

00:30:07.000 --> 00:30:09.480
right here will stick with me forever. And she

00:30:09.480 --> 00:30:13.539
says, what have you done to its eyes? Roman says

00:30:13.539 --> 00:30:16.660
the line that seals the entire narrative. He

00:30:16.660 --> 00:30:20.599
has his father's eyes. And that one sticks. It's

00:30:20.599 --> 00:30:24.059
like, oh, God, that's so deep. Do you know what

00:30:24.059 --> 00:30:27.799
I love about that moment? What I love about it,

00:30:27.839 --> 00:30:30.200
and you know because we've covered a lot of horror

00:30:30.200 --> 00:30:34.259
movies, is that they never show the baby. And

00:30:34.259 --> 00:30:38.119
they don't have to. Because the image in your

00:30:38.119 --> 00:30:41.759
mind is far more powerful. And this is what I

00:30:41.759 --> 00:30:43.400
believe about horror movies in general. You know

00:30:43.400 --> 00:30:46.720
this about me. I think that when they don't show

00:30:46.720 --> 00:30:52.019
the things, the full horror of it all, the monster,

00:30:52.099 --> 00:30:54.960
the entity, whatever it might be. In this case,

00:30:54.980 --> 00:30:58.359
it was the baby. I mean, it's like she thought

00:30:58.359 --> 00:31:00.680
maybe her baby was in danger, that it was going

00:31:00.680 --> 00:31:03.079
to be sacrificed to the witches because of what

00:31:03.079 --> 00:31:05.299
she'd read about them and eating babies, which

00:31:05.299 --> 00:31:08.980
I'm going to get to in a second. But that she

00:31:08.980 --> 00:31:12.700
looks and all you see is her reaction to the

00:31:12.700 --> 00:31:16.259
baby. Fantastic. That's the twist. That's the

00:31:16.259 --> 00:31:19.500
big twist here in this whole movie that makes

00:31:19.500 --> 00:31:24.420
this a masterpiece instead of just a... supernatural

00:31:24.420 --> 00:31:28.559
monster flick she doesn't reject it the maternal

00:31:28.559 --> 00:31:32.059
instinct kicks in the human need to protect what

00:31:32.059 --> 00:31:36.480
is hers kicks in and overrides the sheer cosmic

00:31:36.480 --> 00:31:39.880
horror of what she's looking at she starts to

00:31:39.880 --> 00:31:43.660
rock the damn cradle are you serious yeah you

00:31:43.660 --> 00:31:46.819
know like that it's dark it's beautifully dark

00:31:46.819 --> 00:31:50.980
deeply twisted Yeah, it does. You see this moment

00:31:50.980 --> 00:31:53.779
and I knew it was so pivotal. It was going to

00:31:53.779 --> 00:31:55.920
be a pivotal moment in that is she's sitting

00:31:55.920 --> 00:31:58.819
down. Um, Minnie brings her a cup of tea and

00:31:58.819 --> 00:32:01.640
she's like with Tannis root. Like, I love that

00:32:01.640 --> 00:32:04.099
part where she's like, okay. And she's like,

00:32:04.140 --> 00:32:06.259
no, it's just Lipton's tea, darling. Just drink

00:32:06.259 --> 00:32:08.779
it. Whatever. You know, I love that part, but

00:32:08.779 --> 00:32:11.000
she's sitting there and you see her look over

00:32:11.000 --> 00:32:13.299
at the baby and you see them rocking the baby

00:32:13.299 --> 00:32:16.140
and you see this decision happening. This is

00:32:16.140 --> 00:32:21.200
Mia Farrow's like acting subtext skills. It's

00:32:21.200 --> 00:32:23.700
fantastic. She's just, this moment of decision

00:32:23.700 --> 00:32:28.150
is happening where she's like. she could and

00:32:28.150 --> 00:32:30.230
then this is me watching for the very first time

00:32:30.230 --> 00:32:32.690
i'm like she's either gonna pick up the dagger

00:32:32.690 --> 00:32:37.769
and stab the baby with it which is very catholic

00:32:37.769 --> 00:32:43.170
god -fearing woman right or what she ends up

00:32:43.170 --> 00:32:46.490
doing is making the decision that this isn't

00:32:46.490 --> 00:32:49.950
what i wanted but that's my baby one way or another

00:32:49.950 --> 00:32:54.420
that's my child and that's But you see that decision

00:32:54.420 --> 00:32:56.559
happening in her face as she walks over and is

00:32:56.559 --> 00:33:03.140
like, you're rocking him too fast. Yep. Yep.

00:33:03.299 --> 00:33:07.180
What a movie. I want to hear the witch stuff

00:33:07.180 --> 00:33:09.460
from that book. Is that some real stuff? Tell

00:33:09.460 --> 00:33:11.839
me about that. Let's get into that. I have to

00:33:11.839 --> 00:33:14.819
address that because I was almost shocked as

00:33:14.819 --> 00:33:16.579
I watched this movie. Like, I didn't know this

00:33:16.579 --> 00:33:19.200
was a witch movie. We didn't cover this in the

00:33:19.200 --> 00:33:21.799
witch movie project. And we totally could have.

00:33:22.079 --> 00:33:26.940
Yeah. You touch on the witch aspect of this movie

00:33:26.940 --> 00:33:30.640
clearly. Like, this is still in an era of propaganda

00:33:30.640 --> 00:33:36.000
where we believed witches are satanic and witches

00:33:36.000 --> 00:33:38.559
were coinciding with each other. Like, we believed

00:33:38.559 --> 00:33:41.440
that they were all the same thing. And I have

00:33:41.440 --> 00:33:45.400
worked very hard to put it out there that that

00:33:45.400 --> 00:33:49.940
is not true. That's not what that is. Do I believe

00:33:49.940 --> 00:33:52.529
that there may be witches that are satanic? Probably.

00:33:52.890 --> 00:33:55.289
Like, you know, maybe. But that doesn't mean

00:33:55.289 --> 00:33:58.650
the same thing. They don't coincide. So I just

00:33:58.650 --> 00:34:01.329
have to put it out there that Tannis Root was

00:34:01.329 --> 00:34:03.490
mentioned many times in the movie. It was fictional.

00:34:03.650 --> 00:34:05.710
There's no such thing as Tannis Root. They believe

00:34:05.710 --> 00:34:08.449
it may have been like an acronym, a pseudo acronym

00:34:08.449 --> 00:34:13.030
for Satan or, you know, maybe associated with

00:34:13.030 --> 00:34:17.369
that. But Tannis Root is not a real thing. I

00:34:17.369 --> 00:34:19.730
would imagine that if something was. an herb

00:34:19.730 --> 00:34:21.889
or something that had healing properties, it

00:34:21.889 --> 00:34:25.610
would smell good because your body would not

00:34:25.610 --> 00:34:29.070
be rejecting it. It would be accepting it. So

00:34:29.070 --> 00:34:33.449
that to consider, but these witches essentially

00:34:33.449 --> 00:34:37.690
start out to be exactly what the, the etymology

00:34:37.690 --> 00:34:40.130
of the word, which is coming from Wicca, which

00:34:40.130 --> 00:34:45.599
means wise person. They have herbs growing all

00:34:45.599 --> 00:34:48.760
in their houses. She's making an herbal tincture

00:34:48.760 --> 00:34:51.199
or herbal drink for her to support her pregnancy.

00:34:51.300 --> 00:34:54.380
I mean, this starts out to be very much like

00:34:54.380 --> 00:34:59.519
what witch would be. It's only the association

00:34:59.519 --> 00:35:06.260
with evil and devil and antichrist and Satan's

00:35:06.260 --> 00:35:10.760
child. satan worship and hail satan at the end

00:35:10.760 --> 00:35:13.679
when they're doing the it's all that that i think

00:35:13.679 --> 00:35:17.039
is is we need to put the kibosh on when it comes

00:35:17.039 --> 00:35:20.579
to our our image right i thought that that scene

00:35:20.579 --> 00:35:22.079
where they're doing all the hail satan stuff

00:35:22.079 --> 00:35:23.559
i was like you know what this looks like a good

00:35:23.559 --> 00:35:26.260
time minus the baby you know and all i was like

00:35:26.260 --> 00:35:28.519
this is not a bad party i was yeah i was all

00:35:28.519 --> 00:35:33.659
for it so you know nice place satanists and church

00:35:33.659 --> 00:35:35.920
of satan they're doing some um amazing charity

00:35:35.920 --> 00:35:39.920
work in our in our um world so the satanic temple

00:35:39.920 --> 00:35:43.599
let's get it right the satanic temple because

00:35:43.599 --> 00:35:45.519
i am a member i'm gonna tell you that now i remember

00:35:45.519 --> 00:35:49.519
the satanic temple is the one yep you go look

00:35:49.519 --> 00:35:52.699
into that and you'll see that that's not the

00:35:52.699 --> 00:35:57.199
hell satan one as much as the fuck the man as

00:35:57.199 --> 00:36:00.539
much because right right yes go look into that

00:36:00.539 --> 00:36:02.579
i think our freaks would appreciate the satanic

00:36:02.579 --> 00:36:06.650
temple um i actually have a hoodie I bought a

00:36:06.650 --> 00:36:09.150
hoodie once, and it says, Hail Satan. It's in

00:36:09.150 --> 00:36:11.409
all black. I got it from them, and part of the

00:36:11.409 --> 00:36:14.610
money went to fund an abortion clinic or something

00:36:14.610 --> 00:36:18.309
in Texas, I think, was what it was. So, you know,

00:36:18.369 --> 00:36:20.789
not getting too political. So there's a lot of

00:36:20.789 --> 00:36:22.989
elements of that that we could go into that are

00:36:22.989 --> 00:36:25.690
not quite depicted in a horror film that's meant

00:36:25.690 --> 00:36:28.730
to scare God -fearing people that maybe were

00:36:28.730 --> 00:36:32.130
Catholic or brought up Catholic and made to fear

00:36:32.130 --> 00:36:35.130
that, right? There's obviously been a lot of...

00:36:35.420 --> 00:36:37.900
A lot of centuries behind the propaganda of,

00:36:37.920 --> 00:36:40.420
like, fear the devil and fear the demons and

00:36:40.420 --> 00:36:43.320
then this and this and the saints and the crosses

00:36:43.320 --> 00:36:46.000
and the crucifix and the blah, blah, blah. So

00:36:46.000 --> 00:36:49.599
I don't necessarily love the association of witches

00:36:49.599 --> 00:36:54.059
with that side of it in this movie because the

00:36:54.059 --> 00:36:59.329
myth of eating children that witches had. came

00:36:59.329 --> 00:37:03.869
from them being – assisting in abortions and

00:37:03.869 --> 00:37:07.610
assisting in women's pregnancy and women's health

00:37:07.610 --> 00:37:13.809
during many, many times in our history when they've

00:37:13.809 --> 00:37:16.510
been the ones caretaking women. So they were

00:37:16.510 --> 00:37:19.369
given that bad rap because they wanted to believe

00:37:19.369 --> 00:37:21.469
that – they wanted people to believe that witches

00:37:21.469 --> 00:37:24.389
were killing babies and then like drinking their

00:37:24.389 --> 00:37:27.030
blood for eternal youth or whatever the story

00:37:27.030 --> 00:37:30.949
goes. It's not true. I think there's a great

00:37:30.949 --> 00:37:36.070
metaphor analogy in Rosemary's Baby, and it can

00:37:36.070 --> 00:37:39.690
show us that we spend, ourselves, spend so much

00:37:39.690 --> 00:37:45.130
time fighting monstrosities, abominations around

00:37:45.130 --> 00:37:48.449
us, that we do end up adopting them in a way,

00:37:48.530 --> 00:37:50.489
or nurturing them, or at least making them a

00:37:50.489 --> 00:37:53.110
part of our daily routine. Before you even know

00:37:53.110 --> 00:37:56.670
it, too, you can cut that out. Yeah, what you

00:37:56.670 --> 00:38:00.199
resist will persist. Yes, exactly. And I see

00:38:00.199 --> 00:38:02.739
that in this movie. And I see that in life. And

00:38:02.739 --> 00:38:06.920
Rosemary's Baby, I'm going to give you a recommendation

00:38:06.920 --> 00:38:11.639
of a movie to go watch now. And you probably

00:38:11.639 --> 00:38:16.159
didn't know about this. Apartment 7A on Paramount

00:38:16.159 --> 00:38:22.280
by Natalie Erica James. It's the prequel to Rosemary's

00:38:22.280 --> 00:38:24.619
Baby. And it just came out a couple years ago.

00:38:24.800 --> 00:38:29.079
It's on Paramount. Minnie's in it. Played by

00:38:29.079 --> 00:38:32.420
a different actor. Yeah. I got to see that. See

00:38:32.420 --> 00:38:34.820
if there is good. I don't know if anyone's hiring

00:38:34.820 --> 00:38:37.019
me, but I could play Minnie, the younger version

00:38:37.019 --> 00:38:39.699
of Minnie. I was thinking, I was like, you know

00:38:39.699 --> 00:38:44.679
what? Halloween this year, you would make a great

00:38:44.679 --> 00:38:48.179
Minnie. You could do that. You could do that.

00:38:48.860 --> 00:38:51.099
Oh my gosh. You got to give me some curlers and

00:38:51.099 --> 00:38:56.219
some. Yeah. And then maybe Matt could be, could

00:38:56.219 --> 00:39:00.829
go as Roman. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. And then I guess

00:39:00.829 --> 00:39:03.309
that leaves Lindsay as Rosemary and me as Gaia.

00:39:03.309 --> 00:39:04.750
I don't know about that. I don't know if I can.

00:39:06.710 --> 00:39:09.929
We're not going like that. But no, I do. I think

00:39:09.929 --> 00:39:12.369
you could make a great Manny. Give us that impression

00:39:12.369 --> 00:39:15.250
one more time. Let me hear. Oh, it's okay, darling.

00:39:15.309 --> 00:39:17.750
I'll bring you your drink a little bit later,

00:39:17.849 --> 00:39:19.530
okay? You just make sure you drink that up. You

00:39:19.530 --> 00:39:22.369
drink that drink up. You drink it right up. You

00:39:22.369 --> 00:39:24.630
sound like her. You could look like her. I think

00:39:24.630 --> 00:39:27.460
you got it, Coco. I love it. I love her. I love

00:39:27.460 --> 00:39:31.039
the New York. She just feels like so perfect.

00:39:31.860 --> 00:39:35.920
Perfect New York older lady. I don't know. But

00:39:35.920 --> 00:39:37.920
yeah, one thing we didn't talk about, and I just

00:39:37.920 --> 00:39:39.739
want to briefly mention it. I know we've gone

00:39:39.739 --> 00:39:43.800
over time, but the short haircut, right? The

00:39:43.800 --> 00:39:46.920
short haircut that Monroe gets. We just have

00:39:46.920 --> 00:39:48.980
to acknowledge the symbolism behind that and

00:39:48.980 --> 00:39:51.619
being her autonomy of like making the choice

00:39:51.619 --> 00:39:54.699
to cut her hair that short. And she thinks it's

00:39:54.699 --> 00:39:57.579
very vogue. She thinks it's really in. And the

00:39:57.579 --> 00:40:01.400
way she's treated by her husband about that haircut.

00:40:01.579 --> 00:40:04.019
Because I kept asking myself, what's the significance

00:40:04.019 --> 00:40:05.860
here? Why did they all of a sudden cut her hair?

00:40:06.000 --> 00:40:08.079
Why is that part of the story? Why does that

00:40:08.079 --> 00:40:10.320
part of the story? And I think it really was

00:40:10.320 --> 00:40:14.260
symbolic of, you know, he treating her like.

00:40:14.800 --> 00:40:16.219
The only thing that's wrong with you is that

00:40:16.219 --> 00:40:19.880
ugly haircut that you got. And, you know, I was

00:40:19.880 --> 00:40:25.019
like, bastard. Yeah. Yeah. Gotta say it. As we

00:40:25.019 --> 00:40:27.760
wrap up this episode, for the freaks out there,

00:40:27.880 --> 00:40:30.760
I want you to look at things you're currently

00:40:30.760 --> 00:40:34.099
nurturing in your life. Are you feeling something

00:40:34.099 --> 00:40:38.119
that elevates you? Or are you rocking a cradle

00:40:38.119 --> 00:40:40.260
for a coven that doesn't have your best interest

00:40:40.260 --> 00:40:43.619
at heart? Think about it. Really. And I don't

00:40:43.619 --> 00:40:46.840
mean, are you part of, Coco's coven. Coco's coven.

00:40:46.840 --> 00:40:49.440
That's got a nice ring to it. Yeah, if I formed

00:40:49.440 --> 00:40:51.940
a coven, it would be great. I think you should.

00:40:52.039 --> 00:40:54.699
I think we could get you a coven if you want

00:40:54.699 --> 00:40:56.440
one. I mean, you go have mom's day by yourself.

00:40:56.519 --> 00:41:02.280
You could have a coven by yourself. Right? My

00:41:02.280 --> 00:41:05.219
coven's going to mom's day off. That's right.

00:41:05.900 --> 00:41:07.380
All right, that's going to wrap it up for this

00:41:07.380 --> 00:41:10.760
edition of Parallel Frequencies on Rosemary's

00:41:10.760 --> 00:41:13.260
Baby. We may have to revisit this again because

00:41:13.260 --> 00:41:14.840
it's going to be one of those that a lot of things

00:41:14.840 --> 00:41:16.880
pop up and I'm going to be like, oh, shit, forgot

00:41:16.880 --> 00:41:19.860
to talk about that. Apartment 7A, go watch the

00:41:19.860 --> 00:41:22.500
prequel. Maybe we do an episode on that one.

00:41:23.179 --> 00:41:26.219
Yeah, but this was fun. We've been looking forward

00:41:26.219 --> 00:41:28.780
to this one for a while. Parallel Frequencies,

00:41:28.860 --> 00:41:31.519
I'm just playing. She's Coco. You are the freaks

00:41:31.519 --> 00:41:32.980
and we will see you on the other side.