The Moms of TV—Who Really Raised You?

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Who raised you? Was it Kitty, Claire, Peggy,

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Peg, Morticia, Roseanne, Mama herself? Today

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we're talking about the moms of TV. I can't wait,

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Coco, because this is one of my, I think this

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episode honestly could go like six hours because

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this is one of our favorite topics right here

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is the moms of television. They really did raise

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us. Still are. Does it remind you of the cable

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guy where the TV was the babysitter? Yeah, right.

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I mean, we love our moms, but we were born and

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raised in a generation that that kind of was

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the thing, right? We were. Absolutely. And make

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sure that you stay right here because we've got

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two exclusive interviews with TV moms. Mama herself,

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Vicki Lawrence. She's she's incredible. And we've

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got Patricia Richardson from, you know, home

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improvement tool time, that whole thing. So stick

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around. This is parallel frequencies. I am just

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playing. She is Coco. You are the freaks. And

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like I said, I'm excited for today. This is a

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big one. This is a fun one. A great idea that

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you put on the docket for a tube Tuesday. Top

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tier Tuesday. This could be both. This could

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be all of it. Tributes to the moms. Yeah. Now,

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I've seen some other TV shows popping up with

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some new news lately. The Lord of the Rings show.

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Have you seen this? No. The Rings of Power on

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Amazon? Yeah. Well, I knew it was coming out,

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but what's the news? It's already been out. Oh,

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it's been out. Season three has set a premiere

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date. So that'll hype people up right there.

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Okay. It's coming out in the fall, November 11th.

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We get some new Lord of the Rings content. And

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you know, Amazon put a lot of money into that.

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So I enjoy it. I think it'll be, I don't think

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I saw season two yet. So I need to catch up though.

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Oh yeah, I've got some catch up to do for sure.

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Yeah, but were you a Lord of the Rings fan? I

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mean, the movies when they came out, I appreciate

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them. I appreciate obviously the lore and the

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fantasy. I mean, that's totally my genre. That's

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totally. Yeah. I feel that female characters

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were a little underrepresented in the franchise,

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you know, personally. But I love the association

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with Celtic and Welsh folklore that inspired

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the writing of Lord of the Rings. So I have an

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appreciation for the connection there. Well,

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there is that super cut out there of all the

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times that women were on the screen together,

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two women at one time. And I think it's like

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less than two seconds long. So, yeah, there is

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an issue. Yeah, there is an issue there. When

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they say we cut out the entire movie except for

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the two moments where Legolas and Frodo say something

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to each other or something and then it's like,

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run credits. That was it. So maybe there was

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an issue there. But I was a Lord of the Rings

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nut. I loved all the extended editions. Put it

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on. Put the marathon on. Let's roll it. That's

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how I always felt about it. The White Lotus added

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Ben Kingsley. And a couple others to season four.

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That season's shaping up to be wild. I guess

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I'll have to actually get on the White Lotus

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train finally and check out this show. Because

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I don't think it's going anywhere. And those

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are the kinds of shows I usually catch up on.

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I'm like, you know what? All right. It's making

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some noise. It's four seasons deep. Just Blaine

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better pay attention. You know? That's how it

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is. That's usually when I start getting good.

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I mean, we never claim on this show to be. all

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up and up to date on everything. There's just

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way too many shows out there to get. There are,

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we do promise that we will get around to it.

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Hey, this one right here. I just thought about,

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since we're talking about it, about TV shows

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and great and all that Netflix, Lord of the flies.

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Holy shit. Watch it. It is. It's beautiful. It's

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beautifully tragic in all the way. I mean, just

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like the book, we knew what was happening. Here's

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what's fun about this show is if you didn't read

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the book, you don't know what happens. So you're

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going to have to sit there and watch the thing.

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I'm just imagining what somebody is going to,

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how they're going to have that experience of

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not knowing what's going on and then being like,

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what is this? And then they're going to be like,

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oh, my God, I should have read this book when

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I was in school and not read it. or not just

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looked at the cliff notes. Remember cliff notes?

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Yeah. Yeah. I wasn't one of those that did, did

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a lot of that just because I was in all of the,

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um, advanced literature reading classes. Those

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were my favorite classes. So I was like, I loved

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the classes that were like a book club. Basically

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you read a book and then you went to class and

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you just like dove in and discussed every angle

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of it. I love doing that. So I was a lot. No,

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I played, I was playing sports. You were a nerd.

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Couldn't do that. Couldn't hang out with you.

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No, I'm kidding. I had a very... Yeah, I had

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a very eclectic group, though. I will tell you

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that. If anybody out there went to school with

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me, they know that. I kept a wide net. Always

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do, still do. Inclusive of everybody. That's

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what we do here. Parallel frequencies, you know?

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We love the freaks. Of all kinds. All kinds of

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freaks we love. Yeah. And once again, stick around

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to see Patricia Richardson and... Vicki Lawrence,

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mama herself. We talked to them at FanX just

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last September. And we've played Patricia's before

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when we did our home improvement special. But

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Vicki's hasn't been seen yet. I'm going to tell

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you right now, she is a wild one. So we're going

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to get to that. But let's talk about the moms

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of TV. Why do we care so much about these fictional

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parents? But like we say all the time, TV is

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the mirror. to what we see and what we do in

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real life and it's a lot going on for everybody

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so we saw these moms come up on monday tuesday

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wednesday thursday friday nights and we felt

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like they were raising us you know we felt i

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felt a sense of uh i don't know what what do

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you want to call it there's a lot of words to

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fill in there yeah a sense of connection and

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nostalgia connection And I will just say, I have

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my list here. I'm like piecing together who are

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the most influential or ones that came up to

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me. And I will tell you freaks right now, there's

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a lot more than we're going to discuss today.

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So we need to hear your favorites because this

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is our list. Like this is just our personal experiences

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here. But I have some people on my list. were

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not necessarily known for being mothers, meaning

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that they had a child on the show. But I put

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them on my list anyway, because I feel like we're

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moving into an age where Mother's Day is not

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just about who gave birth to someone, but about

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that broader overall term of mothering that's

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like raised a generation, right? So like influential.

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So I've got some on my list or maybe a little

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outside of that. No, I love that. I love that

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because I even sent a happy Mother's Day message

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to my sister -in -law, Chelsea, and she hadn't

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popped no baby out. But you believe that she

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hadn't been a mother at some point in her life.

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She's got those motherly instincts. Hell, yes,

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she does. So I shot her message, you know, so

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I'm still I'm on that frequency with you. Yeah.

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You know, I'm right there. We I don't care. I

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don't care. I don't care. But. All right. What

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did all of these moms have in common? And it

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was they were they were loving, you know, in

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their own ways. And what I loved about TV moms,

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all of them over the years is there's not really

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it's not like the TV dad had a trope. They had

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a formula. Yeah. Same bumbling idiot type guy

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that you saw. And sure, there are a lot of great

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TV dads. And I guess maybe we'll get to that

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in June when Father's Day rolls around. But the

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TV moms, it wasn't like there was a blueprint.

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They're all different. They're all quirky. They're

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all whatever in their own ways, you know. And

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they all loved hard. Yeah. And I will say. didn't

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i i got real bored and frustrated over the years

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of that trope because you know we grew up with

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marge simpson and homer right yes dynamic And

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it gets a little old where you're like, why does

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the mom or wife or matriarch have to be the one

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who holds it all together all the time? She's

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got to be the one who's got the moral compass,

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holds the emotional space for everyone, and then

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just has to kind of deal with, you know, this.

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childish immature idiot husband who usually drinks

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too much and eats too much and whatever whatever

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you know and and you see it with uh lois and

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peter and yeah there's a lot of that going on

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everywhere so i as much as i love marge simpson

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i mean classic right like we love marge simpson

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as mother but i just got real like oh come on

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you know why does she have to be the one to just

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deal with this year after year after year 30s

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plus seasons worth now she is yeah and then we

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get linda belcher so we're talking about animated

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series first i guess we're we're hitting that

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first but uh you get linda belcher and bob's

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burgers and you get oh that's that's one i can

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really get on board with because Bob is a fantastic

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husband. He works hard and you can tell how much

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he loves his wife because she gets to be goofy

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and she kind of gets to play the, like, sometimes

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she doesn't work that hard. Yeah. We're a partnership

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together. They adore each other. I love seeing

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that dynamic where we saw so many years of like,

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why is this, why is she even married to this

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guy kind of thing? Now, is this going to be,

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Oh, I got one better than you. Is this how this

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is going to go? We're just going to go back and

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forth? Because I think that I've got the blueprint

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for all TV moms. Okay. This might be controversial.

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And if I am wrong, please, freaks, tell us which

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ones should be or are the blueprints. But I think

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I know the blueprint. Okay. And it's Katie Foreman

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from That 70s Show. She's the blueprint for TV

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moms. of point place, Kitty's the glue. Yes.

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Top of my list, actually. She's, to me, top of

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my list probably also if I had to put one up

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there. But, you know, she's stressed to the breaking

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point by Red's foot -in -ass policy. You know,

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that high -pitched nervous laugh. That's the

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sound of a woman who is one burnt casserole away

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from joining a commune at any point. But she's

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so... Like I said, loving. She loved all of them

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kids. She loves the kids. She loved the kids

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who weren't even hers. And that's what, you know,

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TV mom, that's what you feel like. And you're

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not one of hers, but you feel like you are as

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a viewer. And I did. I loved her. I love Kitty

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Foreman. I love Kitty. And my husband and I are

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a little bit Kitty and Red Foreman. My husband,

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you know. he's such a likable guy. He's a lot

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more likable than Red Foreman, but he is more

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introverted and he's a little bit more like,

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would rather not be around a lot of people. I

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mean, you know, he's a bit, he, I guess in that

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way. And so it's, it's kind of like the spouse

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side of that is I make him more likable because

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I'm willing to go out and be more personable.

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So, you know, Kitty humanized Red, like it needed

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to be. Kitty has this unconditional love for

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her kids, even as she sees them as really flawed.

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She knows that Eric is kind of an idiot sometimes,

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and she knows that her daughter Lori is... Out

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there. Yeah. Let's just say out there. But yeah,

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shares the love anyway and does it with a lot

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of sense of humor. She's hardworking. She takes

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shifts as a nurse when Red's out of work. I mean,

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I could go on, but she's amazing. That 90s show

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was awesome, too, on Netflix. They brought back

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Kitty and Red, and we get to see a better side

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of Red, I think, too. I like Red. But Kitty is

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still Kitty. Give me one. Who do you got on there?

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Oh, man. So I had to start with some of the TV

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moms that I looked up to as I was watching as

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a kid. Thinking, who would I like to be like

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as a mom? Now, I'm not saying I hit the target.

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We talked about Lois from Malcolm in the Middle

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a couple weeks ago when we did a whole rewatch

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of Malcolm in the Middle. And I admitted I'm

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probably more like Lois than most of the other

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TV moms. Not – I mean, kind of unfortunately.

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Yeah. But, man, did I want to be Claire Huxtable.

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Oh, my gosh. I wanted to be – That level of sophistication

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and sass and just some of the monologues that

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she got to have on that show where she was like,

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you know, part feminist, but loving mother, wife,

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lawyer. I mean, all these things and some of

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those like where she would rant and go off. I

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wanted to be like her so bad. I'm probably not

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at all. I love the Cosby show and Claire Huxtable.

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She definitely helped raise me. I think that

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one came on right in the middle of dinner or

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something. Or maybe when dinner was getting ready

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at my house. Watched that one every night. Monday

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through Friday. Or Monday through Thursday, I

00:14:18.539 --> 00:14:21.679
guess. Because Friday night we got TGIF and stuff

00:14:21.679 --> 00:14:25.820
like that, you know. Yeah, yeah. I got one. And

00:14:25.820 --> 00:14:28.220
it goes back to what we said earlier about you

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don't have to actually be the mother to be a

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mom, a TV mom. How about the soul of the 90s,

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Aunt Viv from The Fresh Prince of Bel -Air? Mom

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didn't give birth to Will, but you better believe

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she took him in. And, you know, she was elegant.

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And I'm talking about the original Aunt Viv because

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they did switch them up. But she was elegant.

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Yeah, and once again, she was a professor, a

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dancer, a mother. She didn't take none of Will's

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bullshit either. And she showed us that motherhood

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doesn't mean you got to lose your identity. It

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just means you got to expand it. Because like

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I said, she got, let's just say, a child dumped

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on her. So she, he was fully grown. So yeah.

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On that responsibility and put them right into

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the fold. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. I love Aunt

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Viv. I loved her. And she and Claire Huxtable

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both have that like regal, quiet sovereignty

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about them. Yeah. Whereas I don't like that I'm

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a little bit more like Lois. It feels sometimes

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like I'm shouting and yelling to be heard where

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I'm like, hello, is anybody listening to me in

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this house? Where I wish I had more of that quiet.

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I would like to be able to just give my kids

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a look or a – command authority in the way that

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Aunt Viv and Claire Huxtable could do. I don't

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quite have it, but I'm working on it. We'll get

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there. My favorite movie, sorry, TV show, TV

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series, and we can't not talk about The Mother

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of Dragons. Oh, yes. Because, I mean, we're getting

00:16:13.039 --> 00:16:14.919
into a little bit more of a dramatic role here,

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not a sitcom, but... She lost her child. So for

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her to step into the role of saying, I will never

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be able to have a child like that, like give

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birth again, but these dragons are my children

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and they mean as much to me as children. And

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to see that dynamic play out, for those of us

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who've struggled with infertility or cannot have

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children of our own and want to see ourselves

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as mothers in some way, that... That's a good

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representation of that for me, is seeing that

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role that she plays. And I love Khaleesi. I'm

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a big fan of Daenerys Targaryen. Yeah, who doesn't?

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Who can't? Who isn't a fan? I mean, minus the

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endings. That's on the writers, though, for how

00:17:04.119 --> 00:17:07.299
they fucked up Game of Thrones. Yeah, no, I don't

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count that because I rewrote that in my head.

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Oh, yeah, that's right. That's right. How about...

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The woman who killed the happy homemaker myth

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with a pair of leopard print spandex, Peggy Bundy

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from Married with Children. She was the anti

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-mom, really. Think about her. So she didn't

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cook, she didn't clean, and she didn't pretend

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to enjoy any of it. Yeah. She was honest about

00:17:31.079 --> 00:17:35.500
all the boredom, but she's also relatable. You

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look at her now, Coco, are you related? Is that

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relatable to how you feel sometimes? What you

00:17:41.190 --> 00:17:43.970
want to be like, do you see Peg Bundy? Her for

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her willingness to say, I deserve to be a stay

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at home mom that doesn't actually have to do

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anything. I mean, you know, you could call her

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lazy. You could call her, you could call her

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all kinds of things, but honestly, she's just

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saying, this is me. This is who I am. I'm not

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a cook. I'm not a cleaner. I take care of myself

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first and everybody else comes second. And is

00:18:08.750 --> 00:18:12.730
it? Is that so wrong? Really? She was Katie Seagal.

00:18:13.289 --> 00:18:16.890
Seagal. Katie Seagal. Seagal. Seagal. Yeah. Also

00:18:16.890 --> 00:18:19.549
played another TV mom, Gemma. Sons of Anarchy.

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Think about that one. Think about the contrast.

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Yeah, but I thought about that just right now.

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It popped in my head. The total contrast of a

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Peg Bundy and a Gemma by the same actor. Yeah.

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Katie Seagal. I love that. That's a TV mom that

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you don't think about. necessarily but she was

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all she was hard yeah you know she was a hard

00:18:41.829 --> 00:18:45.029
motorcycle mom overly involved mother into the

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dynamics and drama of that motorcycle gang that's

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basically hamlet yeah we talked about shakespeare

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yesterday essentially the story of hamlet made

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uh and sons of anarchy she was fantastic in that

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role and really she's been fantastic in every

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role the one thing i never understood about married

00:19:01.289 --> 00:19:04.529
with children is that she always wanted sex and

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uh al didn't And Al didn't. I was like, are you

00:19:08.369 --> 00:19:10.849
kidding me right now? You have this bombshell

00:19:10.849 --> 00:19:12.230
living in your house and you don't want what?

00:19:12.490 --> 00:19:16.190
That never made me ever. Yeah, I still laugh

00:19:16.190 --> 00:19:19.829
at that. Let's let's go ahead and play Patricia

00:19:19.829 --> 00:19:22.329
Richardson. Let's go ahead and get to Jill Taylor

00:19:22.329 --> 00:19:25.049
from Home Improvement. And we'll take a look

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at that right now. Patricia Richardson, Jill

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Taylor. Now, you had what, Brad, Randy, Mark?

00:19:33.970 --> 00:19:36.829
I had Brad, Randy, and Mark. In life, I had Joe,

00:19:37.009 --> 00:19:39.750
Henry, and Roxy. Henry is the oldest. He's now

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almost 40. The twins were born three months before

00:19:43.190 --> 00:19:45.829
I started home improvement. So they were on the

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set with me every day for three years. So not

00:19:47.990 --> 00:19:50.049
only were you raising those kids on set, off

00:19:50.049 --> 00:19:53.250
set, in real life, you had us at home. You were

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a sick mom to me. Well, you know, people tell

00:19:55.930 --> 00:19:58.289
me that, but I'm not as aware of that as I was

00:19:58.289 --> 00:20:00.869
of trying to parent my own kids. own kids you

00:20:00.869 --> 00:20:04.210
know Tim and I tried not to parent those kids

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because they had parents and it would that could

00:20:06.410 --> 00:20:10.150
get dicey but it was hard not to you know it

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was like I'm still doing like your boys they

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laugh about me still doing that yeah you know

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I just did I saw Taryn and Taryn who works for

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SpaceX has hair down to here super thick big

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hair how done here and he was doing this amazing

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interview with some friends of his that have

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a talk show or something And he was so great,

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so smart, and he's had such an interesting life.

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And so at the end of it, I talked to him later

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after it, and I was like, I don't know, Taryn,

00:20:39.789 --> 00:20:42.130
I think the hair's got to go. It's got to go,

00:20:42.230 --> 00:20:44.529
Taryn. And he's like, you're momming me again.

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You can mom me. Do I need to cut my hair? No.

00:20:48.490 --> 00:20:53.470
You have to see Taryn. My son is Joe Castle Baker,

00:20:53.730 --> 00:20:56.869
who's a very well -known gay. stand -up comedian

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and actor. And so he's doing all, but I was just

00:21:00.250 --> 00:21:03.309
telling them that he did the suicide hotline

00:21:03.309 --> 00:21:05.809
in New York for probably two or three years.

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And at that point, he was just kind of, maybe

00:21:08.650 --> 00:21:11.589
I'll go into psychology instead. Now, after all

00:21:11.589 --> 00:21:13.809
these years of doing what he's doing, I think

00:21:13.809 --> 00:21:15.950
he's going to go back. So this year, he's going

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to start looking for some labs to do. He's going

00:21:18.710 --> 00:21:21.630
to have to go back and get a master's. Wow. Isn't

00:21:21.630 --> 00:21:23.849
that what Jill was doing on the show? Wasn't

00:21:23.849 --> 00:21:25.589
she going to school? My character, yeah. I went

00:21:25.589 --> 00:21:28.329
back to school. But not to be, this is a lot

00:21:28.329 --> 00:21:30.809
of school. I mean, the way I did it was just

00:21:30.809 --> 00:21:33.150
to be like that little degree and go a couple

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of years. He, you know, he's probably going to

00:21:34.990 --> 00:21:37.730
end up needing to go like five years. It's also,

00:21:37.809 --> 00:21:39.750
it's been a really long time since he was in

00:21:39.750 --> 00:21:42.089
undergraduate school. So sometimes they want

00:21:42.089 --> 00:21:44.150
you to get a couple of courses from there. It's

00:21:44.150 --> 00:21:46.660
going to be a thing. I love it. That's amazing.

00:21:46.880 --> 00:21:49.380
We're here for Promise to Live. It's an organization

00:21:49.380 --> 00:21:52.980
that helps people be aware of making that promise

00:21:52.980 --> 00:21:56.420
to live, going to promisetolive .org. What do

00:21:56.420 --> 00:21:58.160
you think? Would you make the promise to live?

00:21:59.099 --> 00:22:01.940
That's really great. I love that. Yeah, so I

00:22:01.940 --> 00:22:05.519
have a coin for you. Yeah, we give these out.

00:22:05.599 --> 00:22:07.259
If you make the promise to live, you get a little

00:22:07.259 --> 00:22:10.460
hug for your pocket. I have somebody I should

00:22:10.460 --> 00:22:12.119
give this to. We got a lot more for you. We got

00:22:12.119 --> 00:22:13.819
extra for you. We can give you a lot of these.

00:22:14.000 --> 00:22:15.900
I have people that can use this. I also understand

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that you're on shifting gears coming up? Yes.

00:22:18.400 --> 00:22:21.119
Oh, yes. We put this here so people would know.

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Look at that. I didn't even see it. But also,

00:22:23.420 --> 00:22:26.160
it'll be October 1st. It's coming right up. We're

00:22:26.160 --> 00:22:28.279
just in one scene. We're in a little scene. Surprise.

00:22:28.539 --> 00:22:29.700
It's supposed to be a surprise, but now everybody

00:22:29.700 --> 00:22:32.359
knows. Oh, Debbie dropped it the other day, too.

00:22:32.420 --> 00:22:34.740
I know. Well, they brought it. They're advertising

00:22:34.740 --> 00:22:37.240
it. But, you know, they snuck us in. They didn't

00:22:37.240 --> 00:22:39.259
want the audience to see us. And, you know, so

00:22:39.259 --> 00:22:41.319
it was weird that they just started telling everybody.

00:22:41.519 --> 00:22:43.980
I come for us young girls who wanted to see Tim

00:22:43.980 --> 00:22:46.400
be put in his place. Night after night after

00:22:46.400 --> 00:22:49.339
night, we loved it. You know, they told me to

00:22:49.339 --> 00:22:51.400
begin with, if I wasn't strong against him, he

00:22:51.400 --> 00:22:54.890
looked abusive. with his stuff. So they had to

00:22:54.890 --> 00:22:56.970
have somebody. Because the first person they

00:22:56.970 --> 00:23:00.329
hired just looked like she was just abused. And

00:23:00.329 --> 00:23:02.630
so when they got me to come in, I'd be like,

00:23:02.809 --> 00:23:06.190
you know, so that wouldn't be that. You played

00:23:06.190 --> 00:23:09.289
the part. Now, we talked to Vicki Lawrence. And

00:23:09.289 --> 00:23:11.930
I mentioned you to Vicki. Oh, I got to meet her.

00:23:11.970 --> 00:23:13.730
I said that she was one of the original sitcom

00:23:13.730 --> 00:23:16.809
mamas. And you're, I said, there's another powerhouse

00:23:16.809 --> 00:23:18.869
sitcom. I mentioned you. And she said, oh, you

00:23:18.869 --> 00:23:20.470
were a better mother than her. She was too crazy.

00:23:20.670 --> 00:23:25.119
Oh, I love her. I love her. I'm seeing all these

00:23:25.119 --> 00:23:27.160
people. Matthew Martin, I know really well. I

00:23:27.160 --> 00:23:28.559
think he just didn't turn up. His table is still

00:23:28.559 --> 00:23:31.359
empty. Maybe tomorrow. I don't know. I don't

00:23:31.359 --> 00:23:33.480
know. It's weird. That's weird. Thank you so

00:23:33.480 --> 00:23:40.500
much, Patricia. Richard, Patricia, Debbie, hearts

00:23:40.500 --> 00:23:43.519
right there for me and Coco. Thank you so much

00:23:43.519 --> 00:23:47.099
for the time. I can't really. I really did love

00:23:47.099 --> 00:23:50.589
that. Can't wait to meet back up with them. Remember,

00:23:50.809 --> 00:23:55.130
home improvement, it was not necessarily that

00:23:55.130 --> 00:23:58.049
more power and the louder the tools was the better.

00:23:58.109 --> 00:24:01.769
It was the quieter and the better you could listen

00:24:01.769 --> 00:24:07.769
was the lesson there for you. So until next time,

00:24:07.990 --> 00:24:11.049
we'll catch you on the next frequency. Stay curious.

00:24:11.150 --> 00:24:14.720
Stay kind. Grunt every once in a while and maybe

00:24:14.720 --> 00:24:18.180
don't add more power than the system can handle.

00:24:18.799 --> 00:24:20.319
Parallel frequencies. We'll see you next time.

00:24:21.000 --> 00:24:23.619
And then I'll I'll just plug that one in. I mean,

00:24:23.640 --> 00:24:28.160
let's do like two more. OK, yeah. Three, two,

00:24:28.359 --> 00:24:32.259
one. Got to love Jill Taylor, Patricia Richardson

00:24:32.259 --> 00:24:36.480
at Dan X. That's once again, we get to we get

00:24:36.480 --> 00:24:38.539
to get in front of people like that with promise

00:24:38.539 --> 00:24:41.220
to live suicide prevention awareness. Go to promise

00:24:41.220 --> 00:24:46.779
to live dot org. Promise the number to live .org.

00:24:47.339 --> 00:24:50.339
Make the promise today. What else can you say

00:24:50.339 --> 00:24:53.660
about Jill Taylor? Just chill it down. Go check

00:24:53.660 --> 00:24:56.319
out our episode that we did home improvement.

00:24:56.579 --> 00:25:00.900
You can go back. We go real deep, deep dive into

00:25:00.900 --> 00:25:03.779
her character. And yeah, I don't think there

00:25:03.779 --> 00:25:06.940
are very many TV moms that. really hit on the

00:25:06.940 --> 00:25:08.940
head the way because you can have the overly

00:25:08.940 --> 00:25:13.160
sweet overly perfected mom you know the the era

00:25:13.160 --> 00:25:16.880
of carol brady but this was moving into an era

00:25:16.880 --> 00:25:20.119
of actually this is what real moms are like and

00:25:20.119 --> 00:25:22.039
this is what they really have to deal with and

00:25:22.039 --> 00:25:25.720
i think that she played jill just just right

00:25:25.720 --> 00:25:30.140
let's get to a a high functioning chaotic mom

00:25:30.140 --> 00:25:35.660
mora rose katherine o 'hara it's creep man What

00:25:35.660 --> 00:25:38.480
else can you say about her? Comedic gold there.

00:25:38.779 --> 00:25:42.240
Yeah. Right? And again, not a traditional mom

00:25:42.240 --> 00:25:47.660
character because she didn't know how to fold

00:25:47.660 --> 00:25:52.180
in the cheese. What does folding in mean? That's

00:25:52.180 --> 00:25:54.440
hilarious. That's the first scene I ever saw

00:25:54.440 --> 00:25:57.759
of Schitt's Creek. That was it. That was the

00:25:57.759 --> 00:26:00.279
very first one I ever saw. But, you know, she

00:26:00.279 --> 00:26:02.720
shows us that parenting is a performance. And

00:26:02.720 --> 00:26:04.640
sometimes you just got to lean into the theater

00:26:04.640 --> 00:26:08.640
of it. And she sure as hell did. But I love her.

00:26:09.119 --> 00:26:12.119
Give me one. Give me another one, Coco. Oh, man.

00:26:12.740 --> 00:26:15.319
I have so many here that we just don't have time

00:26:15.319 --> 00:26:18.079
for. But in going with the theme of not everybody

00:26:18.079 --> 00:26:22.000
is the classic gay birth have children mother,

00:26:22.240 --> 00:26:25.299
I just have to mention Scully from X -Files.

00:26:25.339 --> 00:26:28.039
You know, my favorite show of all time. Just

00:26:28.039 --> 00:26:30.519
because the influence of Scully being who she

00:26:30.519 --> 00:26:33.960
was on that show and the... role that she played

00:26:33.960 --> 00:26:36.859
as a scientist influenced so many generations

00:26:36.859 --> 00:26:39.160
of girls to go into science. They call it the

00:26:39.160 --> 00:26:42.680
Scully effect. They can actually document that

00:26:42.680 --> 00:26:45.920
more girls went into scientific fields after

00:26:45.920 --> 00:26:49.990
seeing X -Files. And so I just, you know, you

00:26:49.990 --> 00:26:52.009
got to chalk that up to Gillian Anderson and

00:26:52.009 --> 00:26:54.730
this character of Scully, who did become a mother

00:26:54.730 --> 00:26:57.230
in the series at one point. You know, if you're

00:26:57.230 --> 00:27:00.289
a big fan of X -Files, you'll know. Was it Mulder's

00:27:00.289 --> 00:27:03.210
baby or wasn't it? Was it an alien baby? You

00:27:03.210 --> 00:27:05.109
know, the controversy around that. But anyway,

00:27:05.349 --> 00:27:08.130
point is, she didn't have to have had a baby

00:27:08.130 --> 00:27:11.390
in that show to be mentioned because she, Scully,

00:27:11.549 --> 00:27:17.299
is mother. I like that. And I like that you had

00:27:17.299 --> 00:27:19.200
to get your X -Files reference in here, too.

00:27:19.339 --> 00:27:21.700
I had to. You should start trying to sneak one

00:27:21.700 --> 00:27:24.180
into every episode somehow. That might be my

00:27:24.180 --> 00:27:26.579
own game I'm playing. And see if the freaks out

00:27:26.579 --> 00:27:28.940
there can find out and figure out where all the

00:27:28.940 --> 00:27:32.559
X -Files references are. I got an unsung hero,

00:27:32.660 --> 00:27:34.500
and then we're going to get to Mama herself,

00:27:34.779 --> 00:27:38.799
Vicki Lawrence. Yeah. But I got one forgotten,

00:27:39.019 --> 00:27:41.599
maybe, at this point, because this show was...

00:27:41.869 --> 00:27:44.089
Before a lot of ours times, but we still watch

00:27:44.089 --> 00:27:47.089
it. Good times. Florida Evans, queen of resilience.

00:27:47.430 --> 00:27:49.690
She really is, you know, raising a family, Chicago

00:27:49.690 --> 00:27:52.730
projects, dealing with real world struggles.

00:27:52.789 --> 00:27:55.569
And she didn't have the luxury of, you know,

00:27:55.569 --> 00:27:59.289
the white picket fence sitcom. So got to give

00:27:59.289 --> 00:28:02.349
a shout out to her. Coco, let's go ahead, though,

00:28:02.430 --> 00:28:09.470
and watch Vicki Lawrence. Yes. And see. How chaotic.

00:28:09.470 --> 00:28:11.329
I don't think I've seen this interview since

00:28:11.329 --> 00:28:15.609
we did it. So pretty excited to see. And a lot

00:28:15.609 --> 00:28:17.069
of people know you. Do they still recognize you

00:28:17.069 --> 00:28:19.910
as mama? Oh, yeah. Absolutely. Well, you were

00:28:19.910 --> 00:28:22.809
everybody's mama. You were one of the first sitcom

00:28:22.809 --> 00:28:25.630
mamas. There's another powerhouse sitcom mama

00:28:25.630 --> 00:28:28.329
down here in Patricia Richardson. Oh, yeah. Well,

00:28:28.490 --> 00:28:32.349
but I was. Oh, yeah. Kind of a. She was a good.

00:28:33.599 --> 00:28:37.900
Mama. You know what? I love Mama's family. It

00:28:37.900 --> 00:28:40.099
gave me permission to be a little crass and a

00:28:40.099 --> 00:28:42.779
little straightforward with my kids, and I love

00:28:42.779 --> 00:28:44.819
it. I think so. Yeah, now I think I'm Mama's

00:28:44.819 --> 00:28:48.720
age, so I agree with her. You still look younger

00:28:48.720 --> 00:28:51.099
than Mama. Oh, my God. I love you. I just want

00:28:51.099 --> 00:28:53.519
to hang out with you all day. Comedy legend right

00:28:53.519 --> 00:28:55.740
here. I know people always mention Carol when

00:28:55.740 --> 00:28:57.819
we talk about comedy legends, but... Everybody

00:28:57.819 --> 00:28:59.519
needs to be talking about Vicki. She's another

00:28:59.519 --> 00:29:02.160
comedy legend we all look up to. Thank you so

00:29:02.160 --> 00:29:04.380
much. There's people out there that need to hear

00:29:04.380 --> 00:29:05.859
a message of hope. You got something for them.

00:29:05.980 --> 00:29:07.640
And I don't know what she's going to say right

00:29:07.640 --> 00:29:09.660
here, but she can say something wild. A message

00:29:09.660 --> 00:29:12.000
of hope. Well, I think I said it. You have to

00:29:12.000 --> 00:29:14.400
keep laughing or you will slit your wrist. And

00:29:14.400 --> 00:29:16.720
if you're a mother like I am, you're the one

00:29:16.720 --> 00:29:18.519
that's going to have to clean up the mess. So,

00:29:18.539 --> 00:29:22.599
you know, keep laughing. Oh, my goodness. Thank

00:29:22.599 --> 00:29:26.220
you. We've had a lot of beautiful messages out

00:29:26.220 --> 00:29:38.019
here. Oh my God. Coco. She's a wild one. I loved

00:29:38.019 --> 00:29:41.500
her. Vicky and mama's family. I mean, she was

00:29:41.500 --> 00:29:44.319
very young playing an older woman in mama's family,

00:29:44.359 --> 00:29:46.640
but I loved mama's family. Cause like I said,

00:29:46.700 --> 00:29:53.039
she was, she was just crass and blunt and. I'm

00:29:53.039 --> 00:29:55.799
an old woman. Give me my peace. Leave me alone.

00:29:56.599 --> 00:29:59.380
Still, it is crass and blunt. I mean, that message

00:29:59.380 --> 00:30:01.420
right there. We don't we get a lot of messages.

00:30:02.559 --> 00:30:05.579
That's the only time we might have gotten that

00:30:05.579 --> 00:30:10.680
one. But hey, to each their own. Because, I mean,

00:30:10.680 --> 00:30:12.279
there may be somebody out there who wants to

00:30:12.279 --> 00:30:16.599
hear it that way. I don't see that they don't

00:30:16.599 --> 00:30:18.519
want it. You know, I don't know. I don't know.

00:30:18.539 --> 00:30:22.569
But Mama, love her. Love Mama. yeah who else

00:30:22.569 --> 00:30:26.549
you got on your list speaking of mamas who this

00:30:26.549 --> 00:30:28.410
is gonna be a fun question and i stole it from

00:30:28.410 --> 00:30:32.230
you what tv mama is most like your actual mama

00:30:32.230 --> 00:30:35.789
and freaks jump in on that too because i wanted

00:30:35.789 --> 00:30:39.410
to know who had yeah jill taylor as a mom who

00:30:39.410 --> 00:30:42.769
had mama as a mom i know i know mine i'm gonna

00:30:42.769 --> 00:30:45.069
give you mine after yeah i almost would have

00:30:45.069 --> 00:30:48.200
to like patchwork quilts a couple of different

00:30:48.200 --> 00:30:51.799
mamas from a lot of different shows and you know

00:30:51.799 --> 00:30:53.519
a little bit of this and a little bit of that

00:30:53.519 --> 00:31:01.339
uh but um i'm gonna say maggie smith and downton

00:31:01.339 --> 00:31:05.559
abby oh look at you having tea it's like a vibe

00:31:05.559 --> 00:31:08.420
my mom has always had where it's she's she clearly

00:31:08.420 --> 00:31:10.980
loves her family so much but she's a little bit

00:31:10.980 --> 00:31:13.299
more like she's not gonna be like the hugging

00:31:14.329 --> 00:31:17.589
you know, really like warm, like that kind of

00:31:17.589 --> 00:31:20.349
vibe. But it's going to be more like, you know,

00:31:20.349 --> 00:31:22.529
I love you. And I'm here for this wisdom and

00:31:22.529 --> 00:31:25.930
this, this matriarchal place that, that they

00:31:25.930 --> 00:31:31.329
hold in the family. I love that. I love that.

00:31:31.349 --> 00:31:33.210
Let me tell you who mine is. And she's going

00:31:33.210 --> 00:31:36.009
to be mad, but I, but I don't think so. I don't

00:31:36.009 --> 00:31:40.009
think so. Come on. But my mom, I love her. I

00:31:40.009 --> 00:31:43.900
love Roseanne. And I'm not talking about the

00:31:43.900 --> 00:31:47.660
real life. Let's look at it as a TV character.

00:31:47.880 --> 00:31:51.240
TV character, right? Yes. Roseanne. Roseanne

00:31:51.240 --> 00:31:55.160
Connor. Roseanne Connor all the way. The attitude.

00:31:55.319 --> 00:31:58.119
She had all of that, man. She did. Didn't take

00:31:58.119 --> 00:32:02.859
no shit. But still loved us. And very much was

00:32:02.859 --> 00:32:05.700
like a Roseanne. And Roseanne's one of my favorite

00:32:05.700 --> 00:32:08.680
TV moms. Oh, that's top of my list for sure.

00:32:08.900 --> 00:32:12.690
We could go on and talk about. Roseanne, the

00:32:12.690 --> 00:32:15.170
show, was one of my favorite shows. Still is.

00:32:15.230 --> 00:32:18.509
One of my favorite shows on TV ever. Aunt Jackie.

00:32:18.750 --> 00:32:22.069
Laurie Metcalf playing Jackie. I mean, another

00:32:22.069 --> 00:32:26.670
great TV mom, right? Tell me, what drew you to

00:32:26.670 --> 00:32:30.329
Aunt Jackie? Scene that she did where she won

00:32:30.329 --> 00:32:33.990
the Emmy. Oh, yeah. um and people have probably

00:32:33.990 --> 00:32:35.609
seen it it comes up on reels all the time or

00:32:35.609 --> 00:32:37.369
at least it does in my algorithm because i watch

00:32:37.369 --> 00:32:39.289
it all the time i like re -watch it re -watch

00:32:39.289 --> 00:32:41.869
it where she's um she's on the phone telling

00:32:41.869 --> 00:32:43.970
a relative that their dad had died and it's kind

00:32:43.970 --> 00:32:46.910
of emotional but she's they made it extremely

00:32:46.910 --> 00:32:49.430
funny because she's trying to yell at someone

00:32:49.430 --> 00:32:52.470
who can't hear and she's like we've he's passed

00:32:52.470 --> 00:32:56.730
away he's passed away and then finally he's He's

00:32:56.730 --> 00:32:59.609
fine. He sends his love. And then I'm never doing

00:32:59.609 --> 00:33:02.130
that again. I just saw an interview with her

00:33:02.130 --> 00:33:04.470
and she said that Norm Macdonald wrote that scene.

00:33:05.289 --> 00:33:07.549
That's incredible. You're on the show, Roseanne.

00:33:07.609 --> 00:33:11.069
And I mean, Laurie Metcalf deserves every Emmy

00:33:11.069 --> 00:33:15.069
she got and more. Well, let me show. Hold on.

00:33:15.309 --> 00:33:17.349
Hold on. Let me make this connection for you

00:33:17.349 --> 00:33:20.650
because Laurie Metcalf, Sheldon Cooper's mom.

00:33:21.150 --> 00:33:24.730
She ends up becoming a TV mom. And oh, my gosh,

00:33:24.789 --> 00:33:27.430
you got to love her, too. Yeah, playing the kind

00:33:27.430 --> 00:33:30.710
of ultra -Christian. Ultra -Christian. And then

00:33:30.710 --> 00:33:33.569
her daughter plays Sheldon's mom in the Young

00:33:33.569 --> 00:33:36.150
Sheldon series. Oh my gosh. You get that connection

00:33:36.150 --> 00:33:38.750
right there too. All these great TV moms. Look

00:33:38.750 --> 00:33:41.069
at that. Oh man, we could keep going. This really

00:33:41.069 --> 00:33:42.849
could turn into six hours, but we better not.

00:33:43.069 --> 00:33:44.849
You got anybody else before we wrap this thing

00:33:44.849 --> 00:33:48.529
up? I'm done. Okay, I have two I can't not mention.

00:33:48.990 --> 00:33:50.769
We don't have to go into it, but I want to mention

00:33:50.769 --> 00:33:53.349
because freaks out there, I want to know if these

00:33:53.349 --> 00:33:58.490
are on your list too. Lucille Bluth, not what

00:33:58.490 --> 00:34:02.490
you would consider a great mom, but played so

00:34:02.490 --> 00:34:05.990
well. And so it's kind of another Moira Rose

00:34:05.990 --> 00:34:10.469
type of, you know, came from wealth background.

00:34:10.570 --> 00:34:13.309
She just does such a fantastic job playing Lucille

00:34:13.309 --> 00:34:17.920
Bluth in Arrested Development. And then. For

00:34:17.920 --> 00:34:20.780
those of you with little kids watching your kids'

00:34:21.019 --> 00:34:24.239
TV shows, this is a more recent, more modern

00:34:24.239 --> 00:34:29.139
TV mom. We can't not mention Chili from Blue.

00:34:29.800 --> 00:34:33.619
Yes! Is there a better TV mom than Chili? No,

00:34:33.699 --> 00:34:35.900
but I could think of a worse TV mom, and that

00:34:35.900 --> 00:34:38.360
would be Skylar from Breaking Bad. We could put

00:34:38.360 --> 00:34:44.989
her at the total opposite end of Chili. We got

00:34:44.989 --> 00:34:47.769
a big spectrum here today. I mean, so many great

00:34:47.769 --> 00:34:50.469
mentions here. Let me throw one more in there

00:34:50.469 --> 00:34:54.869
that we could put up there at the top because

00:34:54.869 --> 00:34:57.130
she went through the upside down and everything

00:34:57.130 --> 00:35:00.349
else. That's Joyce Byers. Think about what she

00:35:00.349 --> 00:35:03.630
did, too. So, look, we can keep going. Freaks

00:35:03.630 --> 00:35:05.670
out there, please keep rolling with it. I want

00:35:05.670 --> 00:35:09.550
to know the TV moms out there that you thought

00:35:09.550 --> 00:35:13.250
raised you or that you. are relatable you know

00:35:13.250 --> 00:35:15.889
you you're related to you know whatever influence

00:35:15.889 --> 00:35:20.170
your own influence right yeah let's hear it let's

00:35:20.170 --> 00:35:22.230
hear it but that's gonna do it for this edition

00:35:22.230 --> 00:35:25.429
parallel frequencies i'm just playing she is

00:35:25.429 --> 00:35:29.170
coco you're the freaks we love our tv moms we

00:35:29.170 --> 00:35:30.190
will see you on the other side