Sleepaway Camp (1983) Review: Cinema’s Most Shocking Ending


Welcome to a very special "Whistful Wednesday" on Parallel Frequencies. This week, the universe sent us a signal we couldn't ignore. After Blane was struck by a late-night intuition to rewatch the 1983 slasher Sleepaway Camp, the news broke just 12 hours later that actor Jonathan Tiersten had passed away. Today, we honor his memory and the legacy of his character, Ricky, in one of the most unique entries in horror history.
We’re peeling back the layers of this low-budget masterpiece—from the "pure 80s chaos" of the opening speedboat accident to the "deeply weird, uncomfortable energy" that radiates from every frame. We talk Aunt Martha’s haunting performance, the infamous short shorts, and the ending that left an entire generation of horror fans speechless. Was it coincidence, or are we all just living in the simulation? Join us as we navigate the "woo" world of synchronicities and slasher icons.
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Think back to your first summer camp experience.
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That specific smell of damp pine, generic bug
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spray, and the low -grade anxiety of trying to
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fit in. Now imagine all that, but instead of
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a merit badge for archery, you get a body count
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in one of the most debated endings in cinema
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history. Sleepaway Camp. That's the flick we're
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going to talk about today. This is Parallel Frequencies.
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I am just Blaine. She's Coco, and you are the
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freaks. What's up, Coco? How are you on the wistful
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Wednesday? Not me tired from watching this sleepaway
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camp at 11 o 'clock last night. Yeah. Only got
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late. And we're going to talk about why we put
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it on the list today. We will. Well, I mean,
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we might as well just do it right now. It's wild.
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It's wild. It was a coincidence, a crazy coincidence
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that a couple nights ago. I can't sleep, so I
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put Sleepaway Camp on. It pops up on my Amazon
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Prime. As you do when you can't sleep. Oh, yeah,
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yeah, yeah. Or a movie to put me to gentle lullaby.
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No, that's my thing. I love watching horror movies
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and going to bed. Yeah, I put it on. But I have
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a rule that after midnight, it has to be something
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that's from the 80s or 90s. It's got to be vintage,
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nostalgic. It was like 1 a .m., couldn't sleep.
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So I'm like, you know what? I want to see Phyllisa
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Rose and Jonathan Tierston. I want to see them
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in Sleepaway Camp. Because who doesn't like a
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good campy movie? And this is where the camp
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slasher genre really, I don't want to say started,
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because we can go back and find some more. But
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this is the one that put it on the map. But The
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Coincidence is here. I'll watch it. Not 12 hours
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later, we get news that Jonathan Tierston passed
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away. And he plays Ricky in Sleepaway Camp, which,
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incredible role. And Coco, we had something else
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scheduled on the docket today, but we were like,
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you know what? It's Wistful Wednesday, which
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is a nostalgic movie we normally do. Yeah. I
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just watched Sleepaway Camp, and then the news
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broke that Jonathan Tierston sadly passed away.
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I think we got to do sleep away camp. That's
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that's how this came about. Right. Like, yeah.
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Yeah. Let's let's give tribute where we can,
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when we can. And definitely if there's been some
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sort of intuitive premonition, I think on your
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part to watch the movie. I don't think that I
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mean, obviously I'm in the woo world, but it's.
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Yeah. That's right. Like, I feel like something
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that's pushing us to do a certain thing. And
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then. something like that happens you gotta you
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gotta go roll with it so what's your witchiness
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say about that i think there's a lot more to
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uh synchronicities than people would give credit
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for i mean people like to say coincidences are
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coincidences sure that's that seems you know
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statistically if you want to map it out in a
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nice t -graph sure coincidences happen but I
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think that for people who pay attention, I think
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that people who feel and intuitively go with
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their gut feelings on a lot of things that they
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do, they understand that feeling when something
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is being pulled or pushed or prompted or in some
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way guided towards something. I think that was
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kind of the, you know. Could it possibly be coincidence
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that you just woke up and were like, I can't
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sleep and I need to watch something. I'm going
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to watch this movie of all the 80s movies, of
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all the horror movies, of all the different things
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you could have watched. And then just say, I'm
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going to watch this one. I mean, come on, people.
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I want to hear your stories, too. Have you ever
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had something where it just felt like, I don't
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know why, but I've got to follow this instinct,
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this prompting, this like. feeling to do something
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and then it turned out that it was just the exact
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right thing that you needed at that time? Yeah,
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what's the, I mean, what is the chances that
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that coincidence lines up and it's just a coincidence?
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You know, I don't know. A statistics major can
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figure that out for us. I took statistics in
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college and I barely passed. I could get myself
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out of a speeding ticket with a good discussion
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about, you know, differentiated. deviation, whatever
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it's called, but I was not very good at statistics.
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I was the one on the test who was like, what's
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the likelihood you're going to reach into a drawer
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full of batteries and some are packaged and some
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are not, and some have a charge and then you
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grab it for your flashlight. And what are the
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chances you're going to get one that works or
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some such thing? And I remember just being like
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a hundred percent because I'm going to grab the
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packaged batteries. What is this? So I'm, I just,
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I wasn't good at all the. configuration of numbers
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and i mean i think you know coincidence is just
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part of the simulation you know so that's yeah
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we can get into that for sure yeah we could totally
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get into that or you know the fact that we live
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in an algorithm or whatever else we got we actually
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lost a internet 1 .0 algorithm generator here
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back from way back and i don't know if you heard
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about this but we had a uh Sad funeral, maybe?
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I don't know. Here's the picture. Ask Jeeves.
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Do you remember the website? Was that still going?
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Well, not now. They had to shut it down after
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30 years. Jeeves? Ask .com. Ask Jeeves. Remember
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this guy? Here he is on the screen. But he's
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gone. We lost him. I got to say, though, that's
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Google, right? Am I right in remembering? I mean,
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I didn't I wasn't up on what was what was the
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technology advancing, but it was Ask Jeeves was
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before Google. I believe so. I believe so, because
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like I said, this was an early pioneer of the
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early Wild West days of the Internet. AOL, Yahoo,
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all these other ones. Ask Jeeves was right in
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there with with them. The kids out there, if
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there's any freaks who are younger than probably,
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what, 30, I guess, since it was 30 years ago,
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it said, yeah, if you're younger than that, you
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don't remember to ask Jeeves. They're all like,
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who is Jeeves? Who is this? Yeah. Yeah. I mean,
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when technology advances to a point where something
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else pops up and is more accurate in searching
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and more accurate in facts and, you know, it
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kind of trumps, one trumps the other until one
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becomes like the prominent way that people go
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to search information. So I think that that's,
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my guess on what happened. But it's interesting
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that we were just talking about using AI to assist
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us in things. And having a butler named Jeeves,
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even if it's an AI butler, is right up the alley
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of what's coming out in modern advancements.
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So, I mean, like, it's interesting that it's
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gone now when it's probably the time it should
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be coming up. Coming up. You know what? I'm working
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on an AI assistant for myself. Sure, I know.
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I'm just going to duplicate myself, but I'm going
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to name him Jeeves. I've been trying to figure
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out a name. I think Jeeves would be perfect for
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my AI assistant. Yep. A little tip the hat. Yeah.
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Keep them going. We're naming the next generation
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of helpful technology assistants. Yeah. I use
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mythology too much, I can tell. Let's get to
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Westful Wednesday and the movie. All right. Sleepaway
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Camp. The movie that really shouldn't work. It's
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low budget. The acting is inspired, maybe. And
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the fashion is aggressively 80s, but it becomes
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a cornerstone of the cult horror world. Why?
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Why does this movie still haunt us? Is it the
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gore? That's my question. Is it the deeply weird,
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uncomfortable energy? Like, that is radiating
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in every frame of this movie, by the way. You
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know, is it the short shorts? You know, I don't
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know. Those shorts were... It's some tight clothes.
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Yeah. On one camp counselor in particular. Big
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time. You know, he's standing while other characters
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are at sitting level. A little bit of uncomfortableness
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for me. Well, noticing that, but. Yeah. Yeah.
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Yeah. But let's get into this mess called Sleepaway
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Camp 1983. I said it's a mess. It really is.
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I mean, think about the opening scene, that speedboat
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accident. That's pure 80s chaos right off the
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bat. The first real star of the movie, first
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10 minutes, Aunt Martha comes in, you know. She
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sounds. Like, she's constantly reciting a dark
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nursery rhyme while being slightly over -medicated.
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It's almost, it's wild. So you've got this weird
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relative, this weird energy already at the beginning.
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Yeah. Yeah, what were you feeling? I just threw
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this one on you literally yesterday to watch
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this movie. And I will say, even from yesterday
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to today, this is a to -watch requirement. Oh,
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yeah. Like, I, you know, was going to watch it.
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So once yesterday afternoon, fine, all good.
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I went on a date with my husband last night and
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we got Ethiopian food, by the way. Oh, nice.
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Favorite food in the whole world. We were out
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to dinner last night and I started telling him
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about this movie. And I'm like, you got to see,
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like, I got to show you these scenes. And I'm
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like describing it. And then I get to a point
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where I'm like, all right, we'll just go home
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and watch it. So last night, you know, probably
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too late when we shouldn't have been up that
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late. We sat down and I was like. start to finish
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and even as I started watching it a second time
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I was like wait I don't remember that yeah oh
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I'm so glad I watched this the second time because
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there were things I was kind of googling the
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synopsis of certain things because I was a little
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confused the first watch and just so glad I watched
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it a second time yeah so glad that I like forced
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myself to do that but I have a question before
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we like really get into my thoughts a lot What
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you know, we talked about this being a cult classic,
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right? There are so many horror fans out there
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that like they dig deep into these particular
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type of horror movies, especially from there,
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from the 70s and 80s, where it might be low budget.
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They're kind of I mean, some of them are like
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you don't recognize a single name in the cast
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at all. But people love these movies. And I just
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want to know, because I'm not. ear on the ground
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in with that demographic. I want to know, what
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is it? What is it about this movie that they
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love so much? What makes it a cult classic? Do
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you know? I mean, I could guess. It's probably
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a mix of the atmosphere that the movie has. It's
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sure being at a camp because if you... Went to
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a camp as a kid. It was always cool. And if you
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didn't get to go to a camp as a kid, this was
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always kind of the way in. Weirdly enough, this
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was the way in to see what a camp life was like.
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I don't think I ever went to a camp, but I got
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to see it in this in these kinds of movies. And
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at this point, it just it's nostalgic. We get
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a look back at. what it was like in the 80s because
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that's a lost moment in time now i don't think
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they got campgrounds that are quite like this
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now i don't know i hope they do i wish they did
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if they do i'll sign up to be a camp counselor
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right now yeah for good reason i think they've
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gotten themselves kind of a bad rap some bad
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pr for wilderness retreats for kids things like
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that yeah and i think there are probably some
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excellent ones out there but i think even they
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know when they run an operation like that whether
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it's for therapeutic reasons or if it's one of
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these kind of just you know sleep away camp like
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a like a boarding school for summer um they have
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to be you know real careful they're working with
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kids and i think this movie highlights a lot
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of the reasons why it's very true though yeah
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very first thought in watching this movie was
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uh you know the kitchen staff obviously like
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the comments made about kids and i was like Already
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I was, you know, every muscle in my body is tightening
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up and I'm like, uh -oh. Yeah. I'm glad we're
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showing an example of something that even in
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1983, this movie comes out and they're like,
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this is bad. Yes. And it's real. These behaviors
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are inappropriate. Looking at kids this way is
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wrong. Like they were kind of displaying that.
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And also showing the evilness of it. Yeah. You
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know, it's like, let's not lose sight of that
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as we move into new. You see it, too, that the
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fat chef that tries to force himself onto the
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girl in the kitchen, he's one of the first to
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die. And we don't feel bad. No, I don't feel
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bad. We're like, whatever, bro. You know? Yeah.
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I'm a little more uncomfortable with the other
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kitchen staff members like Ben, who he felt safe
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enough to fully display his pedophile thoughts
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outwardly. And Ben's doing the whole like, ah,
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this is just locker room talk kind of thing.
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He wasn't like. what did you just say man um
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i need to get the police out here no he was like
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oh don't do don't say those things out loud and
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like walk out of frame i was like oh not only
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is it uncomfortable that he said the things out
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loud the thoughts out loud but like nobody's
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like catching on nobody's gonna slap him in the
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mouth like he deserves um I got to go back to
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the why this movie hits. And it is. Once again,
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it keeps coming back to me in my head. It's the
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camp. We got Camp Arawak here. Yeah. And it is
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its own character. Just like a Camp Crystal Lake
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in a Friday the 13th movie is its own character.
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So there's something that's attractive about
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that that brings us in, too. Yeah. You know,
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like I said, it's... the camp like i don't know
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there's something there's something and just
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intriguing about it yeah i mean the idea of a
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sleepaway camp it's a fun idea you're you're
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away from your parents i mean come on like whole
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summer with friends and there's activities constantly
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and you know outdoors and you know you're bunking
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with friends like a sleepover every night i mean
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the idea the general concept of camp is really
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appealing and fun and it is last and then in
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the movie here we get to see the the 1980s bullying
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because that's a big part of it here that all
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the way through this movie i mean judy my good
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lord judy she's the alpha bully archetype she
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doesn't just want to be popular she wants to
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mentally dismantle anyone who isn't wearing a
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crop top you know it's fascinating to watch how
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they portray camp life but it's essentially lord
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of the flies like that's what this thing is speaking
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of were you thinking that too where you're just
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watching this and going where where are the counselors
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why isn't anybody stepping up so weird because
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i watched this movie and lord of the flies literally
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just came out on netflix i watched it almost
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in parallel with this and i was like holy crap
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wait wait a minute this is Very similar. So Sleepaway
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Camp had Lord of the Flies vibe to it, you know.
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So exactly. But where are the counselors? Yeah,
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because I mean, in this day and age, you know,
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you would expect this kind of camp. Most of those
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adult supervision are all like 16 to 18 year
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old kids. Like they're not that much older than
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the kids that are participating. You know, they
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were hired to come and be camp counselors, but,
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like, Meg, for example, is a camp counselor,
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and she's just as awful as Judy. I mean, she's
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mean and terrible and gets her just reward, I
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guess. Yeah, she's a lot. She's a lot. That's
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all I can say about it. But we see this unfiltered
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honesty to— How mean these kids are. It's not
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a Disney. It's not your Disney Channel type of
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mean. Go ahead. Yeah. They definitely like we're
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earning their R rating. Like you. You sense this.
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I said this as I was watching it. It was almost
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like the movies you were warned about when we
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were kids. I don't know if you did this on the
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playground, but there was always that one kid
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who had seen a really bad movie. Oh, yeah. He's
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like this movie I saw one time. It was rated
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like. x x x or whatever i'm like whatever that
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even means but you know then they're like telling
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you about it and they're like they say bad words
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like this bad word and that bad word it was almost
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like this maybe was trying to live up to that
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i mean just the overabundance of insults and
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words even like from ricky himself when he's
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hurling insults at the other kids it's just like
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Every bad word I can think of is going to be
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stuck in my head. I love that. Eat shit and die.
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And then he yells back, eat shit and live. I
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think it's great. It's constant the whole movie.
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When the kids are on the roof throwing the water
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balloons, and I think it's Ricky there, is it
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not, that has his outburst yelling at the kids
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up there? And the old man comes out. And I love
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this because this. It's probably how I was as
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a younger kid. I'm talking, he went the fuck
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off on them on that roof. And the old man standing
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back, just letting it happen. And finally, he's
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like, okay, calm down. And I guarantee you, that's
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what I had in my life. I probably was allowed
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to get everything out. And then there was probably
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somebody near me to say, all right, now calm
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down. And I started thinking, I was like, I've
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got to. six year old and a three year old. And
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if they, not that they're throwing out F bombs
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and stuff like this, but when they have their
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moments, their, their, their, their freak out
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moments, I'm noticing that I'm that one. It's
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always kind of like, all right, all right, calm
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down, calm down. And I'm holding them back a
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little bit, but not like a, in a get mad at you
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type of thing. Yeah. I love that interaction
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though. Cause it reminded me. Yeah. But man,
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what a fireball. He really was. Yeah. You got
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to hand it to Ricky, you know, being kind of
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the, more or less the hero in this whole story
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because he's working so hard to defend his cousin
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and to be like, you know, putting everybody in
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their place and, you know, standing up for the
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little guys. All of that. So, you know, you kind
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of hand it to Ricky. Although my question about
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Ricky's character in this, and I want to know
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your thoughts, is I was asking myself all the
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way to the end, did Ricky know? Was Ricky made
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aware? Like we're made aware from the very beginning,
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as you mentioned his mother. Yeah. He's just
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kind of like, oh, there goes mom going off again.
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He's fully aware his mom is a little nuts and
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she's not all there. That, you know, that is
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clear. Again, on the second watch, I didn't recognize
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the storyline and the connection to the boating
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accident in the beginning. And when they say,
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oh, Dr. Thomas is coming and they're like, oh,
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Aunt Martha, is Ricky coming too? That's when
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I kind of started to piece together a little
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bit more of the details and the connections here.
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But my first watch wasn't totally clear on that.
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No, I wasn't. But then I'm like, okay, so we
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find out at the end, right? The big surprise,
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the big ending is. But did Ricky know that this
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cousin who came to live with them after this
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boating accident is this Angela or is it Peter?
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Does he know that? Good question. Freaks. I want
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to hear from the freaks. What do you think? Did
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he know? I want to know. I'm not sure. I'm not
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sure. I'm really not sure. It's not obvious,
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right? It's not obvious. Like, he's treating
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her like this is my cousin Angela. Like, this
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is... There's never any, like... or any hint
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or any clue from his demeanor or his words or
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anything he says or does that's, like, that he
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knows anything different than this is my girl
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cousin Angela, right? Yeah, and it's one of the
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few endings that genuinely feels wrong in a way
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that sticks with you. It, like, sticks to your
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ribs. Like, you're not getting rid of this. Yeah.
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I was a little mad that I made him watch it,
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to be honest. I mean... You got to see this ending.
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You got to see it. But is it a product of its
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time? Or is it a tragic story about a child who
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was forced into a box they didn't fit into until
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they finally just snapped? You know, I don't
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know. What is going on there? I think looking
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at it now through like a 2026 lens is a little
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bit different because we handle a lot of stuff
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differently now. Identity, trauma, gender. Yeah,
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the separation of gender for sure. And I felt
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– and this may be just my interpretation. Again,
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I love to know what the freaks think. I love
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to know like – because there could be a lot of
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interpretations in watching a movie like this
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and say this is how I – what I got. I felt like
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there was this underlying not explicitly said
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but the message or like what I was getting was
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– If this was Angela all along, if this had been
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the girl, Angela, she wouldn't have committed
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these murders. Like, she was committing murders
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because she was Peter. Do you know what I mean?
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I felt like this was like, oh, a girl wouldn't
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have done this stuff, but a boy would. Yeah.
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Exactly. That's kind of the message I was getting.
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And I'm like, I don't know if today, in the way
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that we, like, understand gender and we don't
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put things into these boxes of roles as much.
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Thank goodness, I hope. But, yeah, I kind of
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got that impression. I was kind of like, are
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they trying to say that, like, Peter is strong
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enough to, like, hold somebody down in the water
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or whatever? But, like, if it was Angela, it
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wouldn't have been. I don't know. Just my thoughts.
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That's my final. How about that? No final thought.
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Final question for the freaks. Does the ending
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still hold up? Is it a shocker? Or does it feel
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a little bit different now that we're more culturally
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aware? Go ahead, Coco. Yeah. Well, I mean, yeah,
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that's a great question. My final thoughts, if
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I can have the real horror, the only moment that
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I felt, okay, I actually have two final thoughts.
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Sorry. It just occurred to me that I have another
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one. The only real horror I felt like I got from
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this movie, because, you know, again, horror
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feels a little differently in a modern day than
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watching a 1983 version where you're just kind
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of like, oh, that's cute. Yeah. Oh, that happened.
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Well, the real horror for me was watching the
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beginning of it and seeing the chefs cooking
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for all those campers and seeing the piles of
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corn they had to cook up. And for a second, I
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imagined what it would be like to be like. camp
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chef or cook. To me, that's a real horror. Thinking
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about spending all day in the kitchens feeding
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however many 60 camper kids in the mess hall.
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That's a real horror story. Just 60 unappreciative
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campers because you know they're not coming in
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and they're being nice about... You're like,
00:25:27.660 --> 00:25:31.480
yum. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Although if they're getting
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real corn, like real ears of corn rather than
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canned corn or like creamed corn, which is what
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I would expect from most places. But they should
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be appreciative. That's pretty. In our day to
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day, we'd be like, do you know how much money
00:25:44.519 --> 00:25:48.720
that would cost? It's pretty expensive. I think
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we should find us a sleep away camp or have one.
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We should make one. I don't know. They're all
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haunted. I know. There's got to be a lot. There's
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got to be a lot near us. Yeah, I'm sure there
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are around here. There's some really good ones,
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by the way, for behavioral and therapeutic purposes.
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There's a couple out here that I've heard of,
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but they're actually top of the line, like incredible
00:26:16.380 --> 00:26:19.339
for kids struggling with behavioral issues or
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mental health issues. And so I just want to point
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that out. So if there was somebody looking for
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something like that, we have some good ones out
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here in Utah. I know I love to just circle around
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it, but I actually was pleasantly, pleasantly
00:26:34.990 --> 00:26:38.250
surprised at the quality of the horror effects
00:26:38.250 --> 00:26:43.630
in this movie. Like when it showed the guy, he
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was attacked by bees or when it showed the guy
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boiling, you know, in his face and melting off.
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I was actually really surprised at how realistic
00:26:54.869 --> 00:26:58.950
it looked. You know, for being like low budget,
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I guess we can classify this movie. I thought
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it was excellent. I just wanted to say that.
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Big time. Big time. And shout out to, once again,
00:27:10.089 --> 00:27:12.269
Felisa Rose. I follow her on Instagram. She's
00:27:12.269 --> 00:27:14.769
a great follower. Check her out. She's still
00:27:14.769 --> 00:27:17.210
active. She's still very active in movies. She's
00:27:17.210 --> 00:27:22.319
still active in the. con scene, and I don't mean
00:27:22.319 --> 00:27:23.799
that in a bad way. I'm talking about Comic Con,
00:27:24.039 --> 00:27:26.740
FanXs, those kinds of things. You got to go check
00:27:26.740 --> 00:27:29.400
her out. I would love to talk to her right here
00:27:29.400 --> 00:27:31.720
on the show. We could do another episode if Phyllis
00:27:31.720 --> 00:27:34.119
would come talk to us. I'd be amazing. Big fan
00:27:34.119 --> 00:27:37.259
of hers. Seen her on Joe Bob before. Her and
00:27:37.259 --> 00:27:39.420
Joe Bob are tight, so I know they've got a great
00:27:39.420 --> 00:27:42.339
relationship, but that's going to do it for this
00:27:42.339 --> 00:27:46.380
edition of Parallel Frequencies. Wistful Wednesday,
00:27:46.839 --> 00:27:51.599
once again. Sleepaway Camp. Rest in peace to
00:27:51.599 --> 00:27:56.779
Jonathan Tierston once again. Yeah. Yeah. Love
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to his family. And I am just playing. She is
00:28:00.299 --> 00:28:02.079
Coco. You were the freaks and we'll see you on
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the other side.















