Sleepaway Camp 1983: The Ending That Still Haunts

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Think back to your first summer camp experience.

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That specific smell of damp pine, generic bug

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spray, and the low -grade anxiety of trying to

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fit in. Now imagine all that, but instead of

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a merit badge for archery, you get a body count

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in one of the most debated endings in cinema

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history. Sleepaway Camp. That's the flick we're

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going to talk about today. This is Parallel Frequencies.

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I am just Blaine. She's Coco, and you are the

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freaks. What's up, Coco? How are you on the wistful

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Wednesday? Not me tired from watching this sleepaway

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camp at 11 o 'clock last night. Yeah. And we're

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going to talk about why we put it on the list

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today. We will. Well, I mean, we might as well

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just do it right now. It's wild. It's wild. It

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was a coincidence, a crazy coincidence that a

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couple nights ago. I can't sleep, so I put Sleepaway

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Camp on. It pops up on my Amazon Prime. As you

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do when you can't sleep. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Or a movie to put me to gentle lullaby. No, that's

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my thing. I love watching horror movies and going

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to bed. Yeah, I put it on. But I have a rule

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that after midnight, it has to be something that's

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from the 80s or 90s. It's got to be vintage,

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nostalgic. It was like 1 a .m., couldn't sleep.

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So I'm like, you know what? I want to see Phyllisa

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Rose and Jonathan Tierston. I want to see them

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in Sleepaway Camp. Because who doesn't like a

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good campy movie? And this is where the camp

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slasher genre really, I don't want to say started,

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because we can go back and find some more. But

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this is the one that put it on the map. But The

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Coincidence is here. I'll watch it. Not 12 hours

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later, we get news that Jonathan Tierston passed

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away. And he plays Ricky in Sleepaway Camp, which,

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incredible role. And Coco, we had something else

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scheduled on the docket today, but we were like,

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you know what? It's Wistful Wednesday, which

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is a nostalgic movie we normally do. Yeah. I

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just watched Sleepaway Camp, and then the news

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broke that Jonathan Tierston sadly passed away.

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I think we got to do Sleepaway Camp. That's that's

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how this came about. Right. Like, yeah. Yeah.

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Let's let's give tribute where we can, when we

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can. And definitely if there's been some sort

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of intuitive premonition, I think on your part

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to watch the movie. I don't think that I mean,

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obviously I'm in the woo world, but it's. Yeah.

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That's right. Like, I feel like something that's

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pushing us to do a certain thing. And then. something

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like that happens you gotta you gotta go roll

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with it so what's your witchiness say about that

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i think there's a lot more to uh synchronicities

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than people would give credit for i mean people

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like to say coincidences are coincidences sure

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that's that seems you know statistically if you

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want to map it out in a nice t -graph sure coincidences

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happen but I think that for people who pay attention,

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I think that people who feel and intuitively

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go with their gut feelings on a lot of things

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that they do, they understand that feeling when

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something is being pulled or pushed or prompted

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or in some way guided towards something. I think

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that was kind of the, you know. Could it possibly

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be coincidence that you just woke up and were

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like, I can't sleep and I need to watch something.

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I'm going to watch this movie of all the 80s

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movies, of all the horror movies, of all the

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different things you could have watched. And

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then to say, I'm going to watch this one. I mean,

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come on, people. I want to hear your stories,

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too. Have you ever had something where it just

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felt like, I don't know why, but I've got to

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follow this instinct, this prompting, this like.

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feeling to do something and then it turned out

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that it was just the exact right thing that you

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needed at that time or... Yeah, what's the...

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I mean, what is the chances that that coincidence

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lines up and it's just a coincidence? You know,

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I don't know. A statistics major can figure that

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out for us. I took statistics in college and

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I barely passed. I could get myself out of a

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speeding ticket with a good discussion about,

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you know, differentiated... deviation, whatever

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it's called, but I was not very good at statistics.

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That was the one on the test who was like, what's

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the likelihood you're going to reach into a drawer

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full of batteries and some are packaged and some

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are not, and some have a charge and then you

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grab it for your flashlight. And what are the

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chances you're going to get one that works or

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some such thing? And I remember just being like

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a hundred percent because I'm going to grab the

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packaged batteries. What is this? So I'm, I just,

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I wasn't good at all the. configuration of numbers

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and i mean i think you know coincidence is just

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part of the simulation you know so that's yeah

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we can get into that for sure yeah we could totally

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get into that or you know the fact that we live

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in an algorithm or whatever else we got we actually

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lost a internet 1 .0 algorithm generator here

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back from way back and i don't know if you heard

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about this but we had a uh Sad funeral, maybe?

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I don't know. Here's the picture. Ask Jeeves.

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Do you remember the website? Was that still going?

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Well, not now. They had to shut it down after

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30 years. Jeeves? Ask .com. Ask Jeeves. Remember

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this guy? Here he is on the screen. But he's

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gone. We lost him. I got to say, though, that's

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Google, right? Am I right in remembering? I mean,

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I didn't I wasn't up on what was what was the

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technology advancing, but it was Ask Jeeves was

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before Google. I believe so. I believe so, because

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like I said, this was an early pioneer of the

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early Wild West days of the Internet. AOL, Yahoo,

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all these other ones. Ask Jeeves was right in

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there with with them. The kids out there, if

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there's any freaks who are younger than probably,

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what, 30, I guess, since it was 30 years ago,

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it said, yeah, if you're younger than that, you

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don't remember to ask Jeeves. They're all like,

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who is Jeeves? Who is this? Yeah. Yeah. I mean,

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when technology advances to a point where something

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else pops up and is more accurate in searching

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and more accurate in facts and, you know, it

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kind of trumps, one trumps the other until one

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becomes like the prominent way that people go

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to search information. So I think that that's,

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my guess on what happened, but it's interesting

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that we were just talking about using AI to assist

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us in things. And having a butler named Jeeves,

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even if it's an AI butler, is right up the alley

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of what's coming out in modern advancements.

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So, I mean, like, it's interesting that it's

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gone now when it's probably the time it should

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be coming up. Coming up. You know what? I'm working

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on an AI assistant for myself. Sure, I know.

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I'm just going to duplicate myself, but I'm going

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to name him Jeeves. I've been trying to figure

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out a name. I think Jeeves would be perfect for

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my AI assistant. Yep. A little tip the hat. Yeah.

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Keep them going. We're naming the next generation

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of helpful technology assistants. Yeah. I use

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mythology too much, I can tell. Let's get to

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Westful Wednesday and the movie. All right. Sleepaway

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Camp. The movie that really shouldn't work. It's

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low budget. The acting is inspired, maybe. And

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the fashion is aggressively 80s, but it becomes

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a cornerstone of the cult horror world. Why?

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Why does this movie still haunt us? Is it the

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gore? That's my question. Is it the deeply weird,

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uncomfortable energy? Like, that is radiating

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in every frame of this movie, by the way. You

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know, is it the short shorts? You know, I don't

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know. Those shorts were... And some tight clothes.

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Yeah. On one camp counselor in particular. Big

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time. You know, he's standing while other characters

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are at sitting level. A little bit of uncomfortableness

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for me, noticing that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But

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let's get into this mess called Sleepaway Camp,

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1983. I said it's a mess. It really is. I mean,

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think about the opening scene, that speedboat

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accident. That's pure 80s chaos right off the

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bat. The first real star of the movie, first

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10 minutes, Aunt Martha comes in, you know. She

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sounds... Like she's constantly recited in a

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dark nursery rhyme while being slightly over

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medicated. It's almost, it's wild. So you've

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got this weird relative, this weird energy already

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at the beginning. Yeah. Yeah. What were you feeling?

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I just threw this one on you literally yesterday

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to watch this movie. And I will say, even from

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yesterday to today, this is a two watch requirement.

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Like I, you know, was going to watch it. once

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yesterday afternoon fine all good i went on a

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date with my husband uh last night and uh we

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got ethiopian food by the way oh nice favorite

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food in the whole world uh we were out to dinner

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last night and i started telling him about this

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movie and i'm like you gotta you gotta see like

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i gotta show you these scenes and i'm like describing

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it and then i get to a point where i'm like all

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right we'll just go home and watch it so last

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night you know probably too late when we we shouldn't

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have been up that late we sat down and i was

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like start to finish and even as i started watching

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it a second time i was like wait i don't remember

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that yeah oh i'm so glad i watched this the second

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time because there were things i was kind of

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googling the synopsis of certain things because

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i was a little confused the first watch and just

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so glad i watched it a second time yeah so glad

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that i like forced myself to do that but I have

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a question before we, like, really get into my

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thoughts a lot. What, you know, we talked about

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this being a cult classic, right? There are so

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many horror fans out there that, like, they dig

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deep into these particular type of horror movies,

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especially from the 70s and 80s where it might

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be low budget. They're kind of, I mean, some

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of them are like, you don't recognize a single

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name in the cast at all. But people love. these

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movies, and I just want to know, because I'm

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not ear on the ground in with that demographic.

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I want to know, what is it? What is it about

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this movie that they love so much? What makes

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it a cult classic? Do you know? I mean, I could

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guess. It's probably a mix of the atmosphere

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that the movie has. It's sure being at a camp,

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because if you... went to a camp as a kid, it

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was always cool. And if you didn't get to go

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to a camp as a kid, this was always kind of the

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way in. Weirdly enough, this was the way in to

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see what a camp life was like. I don't think

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I ever went to a camp, but I got to see it in

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this, in these kinds of movies. And at this point,

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it just, it's nostalgic. We get to look back

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at what it was like in the 80s because that's

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a lost moment in time now i don't think they

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got campgrounds that are quite like this now

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i don't know i hope they do i wish they did if

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they do i'll sign up to be a camp counselor right

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now yeah for good reason i think they've gotten

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themselves kind of a bad rap some bad pr for

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wilderness retreats for kids things like that

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yeah and i think there are probably some excellent

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ones out there but i think even they know when

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they run an operation like that whether it's

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for therapeutic reasons or if it's one of these

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kind of just you know sleep away camp like a

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like a boarding school for summer um they have

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to be you know real careful they're working with

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kids and i think this movie highlights a lot

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of the reasons why it's very true though yeah

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very first thought in watching this movie was

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uh you know the kitchen staff obviously like

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the comments made about kids and i was like Already

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I was, you know, every muscle in my body is tightening

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up and I'm like, uh -oh. Yeah. I'm glad we're

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showing an example of something that even in

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1983, this movie comes out and they're like,

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this is bad. Yes. And it's real. These behaviors

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are inappropriate. Looking at kids this way is

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wrong. Like they were kind of displaying that.

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And also showing the evilness of it. Yeah. You

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know, it's like, let's not lose sight of that

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as we move into new. You see it, too, that the

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fat chef that tries to force himself onto the

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girl in the kitchen, he's one of the first to

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die. And we don't feel bad. No, I don't feel

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bad. We're like, whatever, bro. You know? Yeah.

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I'm a little more uncomfortable with the other

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kitchen staff members like Ben, who he felt safe

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enough to fully display his pedophile thoughts

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outwardly. And Ben's doing the whole like, ah,

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this is just locker room talk kind of thing.

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He wasn't like. what did you just say man um

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i need to get the police out here no he was like

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oh don't do don't say those things out loud and

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like walk out of frame i was like oh not only

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is it uncomfortable that he said the things out

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loud the thoughts out loud but like nobody's

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like catching on nobody's gonna slap him in the

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mouth like he deserves um I got to go back to

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the why this movie hits. And it is. Once again,

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it keeps coming back to me in my head. It's the

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camp. We got Camp Aura Walk here. Yeah. And it

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is its own character. Just like a Camp Crystal

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Lake in a Friday the 13th movie is its own character.

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So there's something that's attractive about

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that that brings us in, too. Yeah. You know,

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like I said, it's... the camp like i don't know

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there's something there's something and just

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intriguing about it yeah i mean the idea of a

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sleepaway camp it's a fun idea you're you're

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away from your parents i mean come on like whole

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summer with friends and there's activities constantly

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and you know outdoors and you know you're bunking

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with friends like a sleepover every night i mean

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the idea the general concept of camp is really

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appealing and fun and it is last and then in

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the movie here we get to see the the 1980s bullying

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because that's a big part of it here that all

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the way through this movie i mean judy my good

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lord judy she's the alpha bully archetype she

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doesn't just want to be popular she wants to

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mentally dismantle anyone who isn't wearing a

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crop top you know it's fascinating to watch how

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they portray camp life but it's essentially lord

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of the flies like that's what this thing is speaking

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of were you thinking that too where you're just

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watching this and going where where are the counselors

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why isn't anybody stepping up it was so weird

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because I watched this movie and lord of the

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flies literally just came out on Netflix I watched

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it almost in parallel with this and I was like

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holy crap wait wait a minute this is Very similar.

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So Sleepaway Camp had Lord of the Flies vibe

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to it, you know. So exactly. But where are the

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counselors? Yeah, because I mean, in this day

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and age, you know, you would expect this kind

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of camp. Most of those adult supervision are

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all like 16 to 18 year old kids. Like they're

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not that much older than the kids that are participating.

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You know, they were hired to come and be camp

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counselors, but like Meg, for example, is a camp

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counselor and she's just as awful as Judy. I

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mean, she's mean and terrible and gets her just

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reward, I guess. Yeah, she's a lot. She's a lot.

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That's all I can say about it. But we see this

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unfiltered honesty to... how mean these kids

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are it's not a disney it's not your disney channel

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type of mean go ahead yeah they definitely like

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we're earning their r rating like you you sense

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this um i said this as i was watching it it was

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almost like the movies you were warned about

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when we were kids i don't know if you did this

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on the playground but there was always that one

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kid who had seen a really bad movie oh yeah about

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it he's like this movie i saw one time it was

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rated like x x x or whatever i'm like whatever

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that even means but you know then they're like

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telling you about it and they're like they say

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bad words like this bad word and that bad word

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it was almost like this movie was trying to live

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up to that i mean just the overabundance of insults

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and words even like from ricky himself when he's

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hurling insults at the other kids it's just like

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every bad word i can think of is gonna be i love

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i love i love that eat shit and die and then

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he yells back eat shit and live i think it's

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great and the whole movie when the kids are on

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the roof throwing the water balloons and i think

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it's ricky there is it not that has his outbursts

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yelling at the kids up there and the old man

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comes out and i love this because this It's probably

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how I was as a younger kid. I'm talking, he went

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the fuck off on them on that roof. And the old

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man standing back, just letting it happen. And

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finally, he's like, okay, calm down. And I guarantee

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you, that's what I had in my life. I probably

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was allowed to get everything out. And then there

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was probably somebody near me to say, all right,

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now calm down. And I started thinking, I was

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like, I've got to. six year old and a three year

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old. And if they, not that they're throwing out

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F bombs and stuff like this, but when they have

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their moments, their, their, their, their freak

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out moments, I'm noticing that I'm that one.

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It's always kind of like, all right, all right,

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calm down, calm down. And I'm holding them back

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a little bit, but not like a, in a get mad at

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you type of thing. Yeah. I love that interaction

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though. Cause it reminded me. Yeah. But man,

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what a fireball. He really was. Yeah. You got

00:20:04.339 --> 00:20:06.579
to hand it to Ricky, you know, being kind of

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the more or less the hero in this whole story

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because he's working so hard to defend his cousin

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and to be like, you know, putting everybody in

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their place and, you know, standing up for the

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little guys and all of that. So, you know, you

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got to hand it to Ricky. My question about Ricky's

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character in this, and I want to know your thoughts,

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is I was asking myself all the way to the end,

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did Ricky know? Was Ricky made aware? Like we're

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made aware from the very beginning, as you mentioned

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his mother. Yeah. He's just kind of like, oh,

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there goes mom going off again. He's fully aware

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his mom is a little nuts and she's not all there.

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And that. You know, that is clear. Again, on

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the second watch, I didn't recognize the storyline

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and the connection to the boating accident in

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the beginning. And when they say, oh, Dr. Thomas

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is coming. And they're like, oh, Aunt Martha,

00:21:10.430 --> 00:21:12.670
is Ricky coming too? That's when I kind of started

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to piece together a little bit more of the details

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and the connections here. But my first watch,

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I wasn't totally clear on that. No, I wasn't.

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But then I'm like, okay, so we find out at the

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end, right? The big surprise, the big ending

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is. But did Ricky know that this cousin who came

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to live with them after this boating accident

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is this Angela or is it Peter? Does he know that?

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Good question. Freaks. I want to hear from the

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freaks. What do you think? Did he know? I want

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to know. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm really

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not sure. It's not obvious, right? It's not obvious.

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Like, he's treating her like this is my cousin

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Angela. Like, this is... There's never any, like...

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or any hint or any clue from his demeanor or

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his words or anything he says or does that's,

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like, that he knows anything different than this

00:22:02.829 --> 00:22:07.089
is my girl cousin Angela, right? Yeah, and it's

00:22:07.089 --> 00:22:10.670
one of the few endings that genuinely feels wrong

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in a way that sticks with you. It, like, sticks

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to your ribs. Like, you're not getting rid of

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this. Yeah. I was a little mad that I made him

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watch it, to be honest. I mean... You got to

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see this ending. You got to see it. But is it

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a product of its time? Or is it a tragic story

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about a child who was forced into a box they

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didn't fit into until they finally just snapped?

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You know, I don't know. What is going on there?

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I think looking at it now through like a 2026

00:22:43.630 --> 00:22:47.529
lens is a little bit different because we handle

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a lot of stuff differently now. Identity, trauma,

00:22:50.309 --> 00:22:54.690
gender. Yeah, the separation of gender, for sure.

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And I felt, and this may be just my interpretation.

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Again, I love to know what the freaks think.

00:23:02.190 --> 00:23:04.529
I love to know, like, you know, because there

00:23:04.529 --> 00:23:06.569
could be a lot of interpretations in watching

00:23:06.569 --> 00:23:08.970
a movie like this and say, this is what I got.

00:23:09.049 --> 00:23:13.450
I felt like there was this underlying, not explicitly

00:23:13.450 --> 00:23:18.250
said, but the message or like what I was getting

00:23:18.250 --> 00:23:21.779
was. If this was Angela all along, if this had

00:23:21.779 --> 00:23:26.680
been the girl, Angela, she wouldn't have committed

00:23:26.680 --> 00:23:29.200
these murders. Like, she was committing murders

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because she was Peter. Do you know what I mean?

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I felt like this was like, oh, a girl wouldn't

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have done this stuff, but a boy would. Yeah.

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Exactly. That's kind of the message I was getting.

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And I'm like, I don't know if today, in the way

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that we, like, understand gender and we don't

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put things into these boxes of roles as much.

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Thank goodness, I hope. But, yeah, I kind of

00:23:51.539 --> 00:23:53.160
got that impression. I was kind of like, are

00:23:53.160 --> 00:23:56.420
they trying to say that, like, Peter is strong

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enough to, like, hold somebody down in the water

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or whatever? But, like, if it was Angela, it

00:24:03.000 --> 00:24:05.700
wouldn't have been. I don't know. Just my thoughts.

00:24:06.859 --> 00:24:10.619
That's my final. Question. How about that? No

00:24:10.619 --> 00:24:12.680
final thought. Final question for the freaks.

00:24:12.680 --> 00:24:15.000
Does the ending still hold up? Is it a shocker

00:24:15.000 --> 00:24:17.339
or does it feel a little bit different now that

00:24:17.339 --> 00:24:20.420
we're more culturally aware? Go ahead. Yeah.

00:24:21.420 --> 00:24:24.799
Well, I mean, yeah, that's a great question.

00:24:24.980 --> 00:24:29.019
My final thoughts, if I could have the real horror,

00:24:29.140 --> 00:24:32.220
the only moment that I felt, okay, I actually

00:24:32.220 --> 00:24:34.839
have two final thoughts. Sorry. It just occurred

00:24:34.839 --> 00:24:37.230
to me that I have another one. The only real

00:24:37.230 --> 00:24:39.829
horror I felt like I got from this movie, because,

00:24:39.890 --> 00:24:42.930
you know, again, horror feels a little differently

00:24:42.930 --> 00:24:46.869
in a modern day than watching a 1983 version

00:24:46.869 --> 00:24:49.450
where you're just kind of like, oh, that's cute.

00:24:49.630 --> 00:24:53.369
Yeah. Oh, that happened. Well, the real horror

00:24:53.369 --> 00:24:55.529
for me was watching the beginning of it and seeing

00:24:55.529 --> 00:24:58.390
the chefs cooking for all those campers and seeing

00:24:58.390 --> 00:25:01.369
the piles of corn they had to cook up. And for

00:25:01.369 --> 00:25:03.990
a second, I imagined what it would be like to

00:25:03.990 --> 00:25:09.859
be like. camp chef or cook. Ugh. To me, that's

00:25:09.859 --> 00:25:11.920
a real horror. Thinking about spending all day

00:25:11.920 --> 00:25:14.940
in the kitchens feeding, like, however many 60

00:25:14.940 --> 00:25:18.859
camper kids in the mess hall. Not only that,

00:25:18.900 --> 00:25:23.339
but... That's a real horror story. Just 60 unappreciative

00:25:23.339 --> 00:25:25.160
campers, because you know they're not coming

00:25:25.160 --> 00:25:27.859
in there being nice about... You're like, yum.

00:25:28.519 --> 00:25:31.460
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Although if they're getting

00:25:31.460 --> 00:25:34.500
real corn, like real ears of corn rather than

00:25:34.500 --> 00:25:36.680
canned corn or like creamed corn, which is what

00:25:36.680 --> 00:25:40.579
I would expect from most places. But they should

00:25:40.579 --> 00:25:43.160
be appreciative. That's pretty. In our day to

00:25:43.160 --> 00:25:44.519
day, we'd be like, do you know how much money

00:25:44.519 --> 00:25:48.720
that would cost? It's pretty expensive. I think

00:25:48.720 --> 00:25:52.180
we should find us a sleep away camp or have one.

00:25:52.279 --> 00:25:54.279
We should make one. I don't know. They're all

00:25:54.279 --> 00:25:59.150
haunted. I know. There's got to be a lot. There's

00:25:59.150 --> 00:26:02.470
got to be a lot near us. Yeah, I'm sure there

00:26:02.470 --> 00:26:04.289
are around here. There's some really good ones,

00:26:04.390 --> 00:26:09.710
by the way, for behavioral and therapeutic purposes.

00:26:10.410 --> 00:26:12.210
There's a couple out here that I've heard of,

00:26:12.250 --> 00:26:16.390
but they're actually top of the line, like incredible

00:26:16.390 --> 00:26:19.349
for kids struggling with behavioral issues or

00:26:19.349 --> 00:26:21.769
mental health issues. And so I just want to point

00:26:21.769 --> 00:26:23.329
that out. So if there was somebody looking for

00:26:23.329 --> 00:26:24.890
something like that, we have some good ones out

00:26:24.890 --> 00:26:31.930
here in Utah. I know I love to just circle around

00:26:31.930 --> 00:26:34.990
it, but I actually was pleasantly, pleasantly

00:26:34.990 --> 00:26:38.250
surprised at the quality of the horror effects

00:26:38.250 --> 00:26:43.650
in this movie. Like when it showed the guy who

00:26:43.650 --> 00:26:46.329
was attacked by bees or when it showed the guy

00:26:46.329 --> 00:26:50.750
boiling, you know, in his face and skin melting

00:26:50.750 --> 00:26:54.849
off. I was actually really surprised at how realistic

00:26:54.849 --> 00:26:58.950
it looked. You know, for being like low budget,

00:26:59.089 --> 00:27:03.170
I guess we can classify this movie. I thought

00:27:03.170 --> 00:27:05.210
it was excellent. I just wanted to say that.

00:27:05.849 --> 00:27:09.950
Big time. Big time. And shout out to, once again,

00:27:10.069 --> 00:27:12.269
Felisa Rose. I follow her on Instagram. She's

00:27:12.269 --> 00:27:14.769
a great follower. Check her out. She's still

00:27:14.769 --> 00:27:17.210
active. She's still very active in movies. She's

00:27:17.210 --> 00:27:22.319
still active in the. con scene, and I don't mean

00:27:22.319 --> 00:27:23.799
that in a bad way. I'm talking about Comic Con,

00:27:24.039 --> 00:27:26.740
FanXs, those kinds of things. You got to go check

00:27:26.740 --> 00:27:29.400
her out. I would love to talk to her right here

00:27:29.400 --> 00:27:31.720
on the show. We could do another episode if Phyllis

00:27:31.720 --> 00:27:34.099
would come talk to us. I'd be amazing. Big fan

00:27:34.099 --> 00:27:37.259
of hers. Seen her on Joe Bob before. Her and

00:27:37.259 --> 00:27:39.420
Joe Bob are tight, so I know they've got a great

00:27:39.420 --> 00:27:42.339
relationship, but that's going to do it for this

00:27:42.339 --> 00:27:46.380
edition of Parallel Frequencies. Wistful Wednesday,

00:27:46.839 --> 00:27:51.599
once again. Sleepaway Camp. Rest in peace to

00:27:51.599 --> 00:27:56.779
Jonathan Tierston once again. Yeah. Yeah. Love

00:27:56.779 --> 00:28:00.279
to his family. And I am just playing. She is

00:28:00.279 --> 00:28:02.079
Coco. You were the freaks and we'll see you on

00:28:02.079 --> 00:28:02.559
the other side.