Nathan Hooper Pixar's Soul and the Art of Getting Unstuck | Nathan Hooper

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dude this movie is so beautiful if you haven't

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seen this like i don't know how humans wrote

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it it's just honestly incredible the story joe

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gardner he's a jazz musician he's a band teacher

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teaches eighth grade and he dies like he falls

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into a sewer and dies and like that's it and

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he's like my life is over he's like i can't be

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dying right now when my life is just about to

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get started like joe thought his spark was he

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thought that that was his purpose yes and i love

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the line with uh the jerry where he's like my

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purpose is piano and then jerry's like oh you

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humans and your passions like your spark's not

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your purpose like it's so basic my family hadn't

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made it to austin yet i go to the apartment i

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just like i'm just like laying on the ground

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like you know like kind of overwhelmed by that

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goal overwhelmed by uh my performance and just

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like really feeling like what am i doing I had

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had buddies who had gotten married and gotten

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divorced in less than a year. And then I was

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reading a book called So Good They Can't Ignore

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You. Such a good book. And there was a line that

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hit me so hard that I needed to start this podcast.

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And so my wife and I just jumped into it. So

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I feel like nature has a way of snapping me back

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out. All these birds just going about their lives,

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just finding their worms. They're just doing

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their thing. And all I'm doing is going about

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my life, finding my worm. Like, why am I getting

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so worked up about that? I'm going to hike and

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just seeing the vista, just seeing like, I am

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in one tiny little section of the whole world.

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And this little section is beautiful. But if

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I really zoom out, this place is so big. There

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is so much going on here. Welcome to Yes and

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Land, where we say yes to the reality of yesterday

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and today, and we say and to the possibility,

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growth, and imagination of tomorrow. Welcome

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to another episode of Yes and Land. We are very

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excited today. We are joined by Nathan Hooper.

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We might kind of go through what to call him.

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Is it Nate? Is it Nate the Great? Is it Hooper?

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Hoop Daddy. Hoop Daddy. Or just Hoops. We'll

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see. As we evolve through this episode, we're

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going to kind of get a feel for what to call

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you. Yeah, we'll start at Nathan and at Hoop

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Daddy. We'll get there. Okay. I mean, I'm just

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going to go for right now. I'm going to go to

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the full name, Nathan Hooper. So Nathan Hooper

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is an account strategist at a company called

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97th Floor, which is a fantastic company. that

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does a ton of marketing for some really great

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companies. And Nathan is also, I'm going to call

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him a sports psychologist enthusiast. Yeah, I

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love that. Something that you've dove into a

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lot and learned a lot about. And we're going

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to have fun today because we're going to talk

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about... The movie Soul, which is a terrific

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movie, actually came out in 2020 during COVID,

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which is interesting. And they have, I mean,

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a wonderful musician who wrote music for that

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and has talked a lot about it, John Batiste,

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who is fantastic. And today we're going to be

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talking a little bit about really getting alignment.

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finding what I'm going to say, joy in the journey.

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That's a phrase we like to use, finding joy in

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the journey, and really kind of finding and building

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for fulfillment and success along the path. So

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I'm really excited to kind of see and hear some

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of your takes there. You all should know as well

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that Hoop Daddy did have a podcast for a while

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there, and the podcast he did with his wife,

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which is really cool, and the podcast was designed

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for, if I'm not mistaken, helping people prepare

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for marriage. That's right. Is that right? Which

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is why it's kind of fun today because we have

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kind of a paradox, right? So Nathan was out there

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helping people make sure they stay married, and

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I'm over here helping people get divorced. I

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was trying to take you out of business. You were,

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right? And it's funny, in our prep, as I thought

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more about that, I think it's kind of a fun paradox

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because in real, I don't think it's sexually

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that different. When I think about some of the

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things that we do as a divorce law firm, for

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me as a divorce attorney, I'm trying to help

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educate people on how to get alignment in co

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-parenting, how to have less conflict, but also

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really providing tools and education resources

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so the next time around, hopefully it'll stick.

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Hopefully it'll stick, right? Because the reality

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is I don't want people to get divorced. I always

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say when people come to us and they do a consultation

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with me, they're asking me if they should get

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divorced. I'm like, that is totally your call.

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I'm not here to tell anybody to get divorced.

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ready to get divorced, when it's the right call

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for their situation, their life, then we help

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them do it. So that'd be kind of a fun paradox

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for us to kind of explore a little bit today.

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So Nate, just real briefly, I would love for

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you to give a little bit of background for yourself,

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kind of like where you're from, how you ended

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up deciding to start a podcast and kind of where

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that took you and all the way up until where

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you are now. Sure. Yeah. I'm from West Jordan.

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So I know you're also from West Jordan. I went

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to the Jaguars, West Jordan High, so Copper Hills.

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I know. Yeah. Yeah. Big rivalry. I would like

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to say we had a rivalry. I don't think either

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of us was really good enough for a rivalry, right?

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We both wanted to be rivals with Bingham. With

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Bingham, but they would just smack us around.

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Yeah, it was just horrible. And Bingham's like,

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oh, you guys are like the little brothers. Like,

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not even important. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, so I

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grew up in West Jordan. I'm the oldest of four.

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Big basketball guy. We were just hitting on basketball.

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So I love basketball sports. That kind of led

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into the sports psychology. So I started a mission

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for the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter -day

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Saints, got back. I got into finance. I worked

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at E -Trade for a while, became a broker, met

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my wife on Mutual online. Shout out, Mutual.

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That's how we met. And then we got married, and

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I started getting into door -to -door sales,

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and that took me into the podcast, which was

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just something I wanted to do on the side. I

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had had buddies who had gotten married and gotten

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divorced in less than a year. It's tough. It

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was really tough. And then I was reading a book

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called So Good They Can't Ignore You. uh, by

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Cal, I forget his last name, but Cal Newport,

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such a good book. And there was a line in there.

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I forget the line on us right now, but it hit

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me so hard. I need to start this podcast. And

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so my wife and I just jumped into it, you know,

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both feet in and we started doing this podcast

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and talking about, uh, we had had an experience

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before we got married. We were able to work with

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a marriage counselor that my wife knew had a

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family friend, a marriage therapist. And so we

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had two sessions with her before we got married.

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I feel like it was so impactful for us to help

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us. have a strong foundation to build on as we

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got married. So we wanted to share some of that.

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There really weren't any resources for marriage

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preparation that we could find. And so we wanted

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to kind of be the first ones in that space. So

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when you look at that, what did you, as you do

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that podcast, as you start bringing guests on,

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you're diving deeper into that world, what did

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you start to identify some of the major problems

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or issues that people could correct when they

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were... In those stages of getting engaged and

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going to be married so that hopefully that they

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could stay together and not end up down that

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path of divorce. Yeah. A big thing that we pushed

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in. So our therapist, she had given us this marriage

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checklist, had a bunch, a bunch of different

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questions from every topic, from finances to

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communication styles to, you know, sexual intimacy,

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like all these different topics that we hit on

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that we'd want to talk about and have these deep

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conversations with before we got married was

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so important for us. I feel like one of the best

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advice I'd gotten was. Just making sure you guys

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are. aiming in the same direction like you both

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want to go the same place like this an easy example

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is if i want to i don't want to have any children

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and i want to live in utah that's my life and

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i'm my i marry my wife and she wants to have

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five kids and move to florida like those things

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are so different that we're naturally going to

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brush up on each other so making sure that we're

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moving the right direction moving in the same

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direction we have the similar goals we've had

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those deep conversations about all these different

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topics beforehand to make sure that we're aligned

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and being vulnerable with each other i think

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it's one of the most critical things that young

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preparing couple can can do to help make sure

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they're building the right foundation and so

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let me ask you a few more questions about that

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kind of building the right foundation uh getting

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alignment on kind of where you're going i think

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there's this interesting thing for us to explore

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here a little bit about you know what is what

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is the alignment and and what are the goals you're

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shooting for when i was thinking about this to

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me what kept coming to mind and one of the important

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things i think and i want to get your take is

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really getting alignment on values as well yeah

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because There are times like we don't know where

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life is going to take us. If you told me in law

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school that I would be a divorce attorney, I

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would have literally laughed at you. I've been

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like, that will never happen. I will never do

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that. Divorce is the worst, so I will not practice

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that. And so if I had been so set in that, I

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might not have found something that ended up

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being really fulfilling. But to me, getting alignment

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on values is... also a super important part of

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that foundation in my mind. What's your take

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on that, on alignment on values, but also alignment

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on what those goals are while still understanding

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flexibility and what those things could be? That's

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a good question. I think you have to have that

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baseline level of, we're connected at this point.

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We have similar values where you want to go in

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the same direction. I think that is really, really

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pivotal. I just totally agree with that. You

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have to have those same Same foundation of, yeah,

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we're aligned on that. That space thing, it's

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huge. Yeah, I mean, if much like in business,

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I think, if values are misaligned, then even

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if sometimes you might be theoretically going

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in the same direction when values are misaligned,

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it just becomes this rub. Now, it's sometimes

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hard to know that, right? I think what I really

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appreciate about what you were suggesting and

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what you and your wife did is you did some of

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that work before. When you're hiring somebody

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in business, you get an interview for an hour.

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It's kind of hard to figure out, have those deep

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conversations and figure out that. But do people

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sometimes do that with their relationships and

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don't do enough of the work work? I mean, sometimes

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people get so caught up in the newness of this.

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you know i'm so in lust yes with this person

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yes that that sometimes those other conversations

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the deeper ones don't happen yeah 100 and i i

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do like the idea too of being able to see each

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other in every stage of life or the four seasons

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i think that's a big point that some advice we've

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gotten is yeah seeing your significant other

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in all four seasons and just different seeing

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different sides going on different on trips or

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just like different how they interact with those

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families i think you're just constantly just

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putting each other in different situations seeing

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how people are responding and making sure that

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you're lined up that way. And yeah, you're doing

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it for the right reason. I think that lasts,

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especially in Utah culture where it's like, you

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know, got these feelings and I, yeah, you know,

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kind of get married early so we can do what we

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want to do. And it can cause some trouble if

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you don't have a real strong foundation. You

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know, you're kind of, you're built on a sandy

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foundation on that for sure. I like the idea

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of the four seasons. Did you ever see the movie

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with, I think it was Jimmy Fallon. I don't know

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if it was called Boston Fever or Fever Pitch

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or something. But, like, he was this guy who

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was this just fanatic Boston Red Sox fan in the

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movie. And when he first meets this girl, it's

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not baseball season. And so she gets, like, the

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version of him that's not in baseball season.

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That's, like, attentive and does stuff with her.

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And she, like, falls in love with him. And then

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suddenly, like, baseball season comes. And he

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is obsessed, right? Every single game. And it's

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this big thing of, like, figuring out who's going

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to be going with him. They spend all this time,

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like, you know, his friends, like, bidding for

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who wants to go to what game. And it just becomes

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all -encompassing during baseball season. It's

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a totally different version because it's a different

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season. Literally, like, season of the year,

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but also, like, baseball season. I do think when

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you first said that, it made me think of that.

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Like, if you don't see what somebody's like during

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different seasons, it might be a little bit shocking,

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a little bit surprising, right? Helpful to have

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those different seasons that you see. 100%. So

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will you kind of set the stage for us? Because

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I want to dive into some things about soul. Cool.

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And how it kind of applies to these topics and

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kind of run through the... the arc of the story

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as we talk. But if you could lay the foundation

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of the movie Soul. Give us a little recap of

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overarching what the movie is. Dude, this movie

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is so beautiful. If you haven't seen this movie,

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I don't know how humans wrote it. It's just honestly

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incredible the whole flow of it. But the story,

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Joe Gardner, he's a jazz musician. He's a band

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teacher, teaches eighth grade. And you can tell

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he's dissatisfied with his life. He doesn't feel

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like he's done much. He's older. He's single.

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uh lives by himself like he just generally feels

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dissatisfied he ends up finally getting his big

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break where he has this big opportunity to play

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with in a jazz band with a really famous musician

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super excited. And he's going about his life.

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He just is like pump. He's calling people. He's

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walking through the city and he dies. Like he

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falls into a sewer and dies and like, that's

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it. And he's like, my life is over. He's like,

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I can't, I can't be dying right now when my life

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is just about to get started. Like I'm just finally

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about to start living and like now it's over.

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And so he has this big anxiety and he's kind

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of trying to crawl out of like, he's like on

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this escalator moving into heaven kind of deal,

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the great beyond. And he's trying to get out

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of it. And he finally like slips through. And

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he lands in the great before, which is where

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he meets 22. And she's a soul that doesn't want

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to live. And so they have the kind of fun contrast

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of him wanting to get back to his life so bad,

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even though by all measures of the world, his

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life has been a failure. 22 doesn't want to live

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at all. And they connect and they go through

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their whole experience and end up making it towards

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the end where he achieves his dream. He gets

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to do what he wanted to do, but it ends up not

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fulfilling him. That's not actually what. he

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like he realized it's not what's what he wanted

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but it wasn't what he needed and so then he has

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his experience where he played yeah he has he

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plays with her um and then it's like yeah he

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wasn't filled so he goes back and helps 22 then

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and that's where he really has fulfillment and

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gets what he needs and actually learns what the

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purpose of life is that really is just life itself

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there's not necessarily a goal that you're trying

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to reach but an experience so part of the way

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that they kind of phrased that in there was that

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these in the group before that these little kind

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of souls needed to find their spark yeah and

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until they found a spark they wouldn't go to

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earth right that kind of idea so 22 has been

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in this uh forever in this journey of trying

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to find a spark and she she thinks she knows

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what it means to find a spark and so does joe

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and i think what's what's one of the really great

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lessons from it is what is that end up meaning.

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What is a spark? What is the finest spark? We're

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going to dive into that. So I want to take you

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back. So now we know the story. I want to take

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you back. So we go back before Joe actually dies,

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right? And he's got to get his suit tailored

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up. And his mom is... What is it called? She's

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a seamstress. And so he goes to her, and he's

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telling her what he wants to do. And she's seen

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this before because her husband was a musician,

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and she saw The Hard Life, and she was the one

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who put food on the table because she had a job.

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She had this seamstress shop that she would do

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to actually make money. And I want to get your

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take on this exchange. So Joe's mom says when

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he's talking about his dreams, like, this is

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my dream gig. I want to go play because he's

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got it but hasn't done it yet. And she says,

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you can't eat dreams, Joey. And he says, then

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I don't want to eat. Yeah. And I don't want to

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eat. And so it's kind of this heartbreaking exchange

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because when I think about it, Joe's not trying

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to be reckless, right? But he's putting all of

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his stock, all of his worth, everything into

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getting this gig to be able to play in a jazz

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band. So kind of give me your take on kind of

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this exchange between Joe's mom and himself.

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Yeah, that's interesting. One of the first things

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that comes to my mind is A quote from Alan Watts.

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Are you familiar with Alan Watts? I think he's

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from England, but he had a lot of super cool

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philosophy. And I'll read this quote that I loved.

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He says, We thought of life by analogy with a

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journey, a pilgrimage, which had a serious purpose

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at the end. And the thing was to get to that

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end, success or whatever it is. Maybe it's heaven

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after you're dead. But we missed the point the

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whole way along. It was a musical thing, and

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you were supposed to sing or dance while the

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music was being played. For Joe he and it's so

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interesting to if you guys have seen the movie

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whiplash using whiplash or have you seen Marty

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supreme? No. These two movies where it's like

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it's the antithesis of soul, where it's two characters

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who are just so focused on their dream, their

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passion. In Marty Supreme, it's ping pong. And

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in Whiplash, it's the drums. He wants to be a

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great drummer. Oh, right. And they're just so

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focused on that that everything else in their

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lives falls apart. And it's like they don't.

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Marty Supreme has kind of a happier ending than

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Whiplash. But it's like they're just it's the

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cost of living that dream. And so for Joe, he's

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like, I don't want to eat. I just want to. do

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this thing. That's what's going to help me be

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successful. Like if you, when he dies, he has

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this experience where he sees his life flash

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before. And he's like, he realizes comparing

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himself to the other philosopher that he kind

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of took the spot up. He's like, my life was meaningless

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because he didn't have any big accomplishments.

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He, that's what he, that's what he, that was

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a success look like for him in life is that having

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this big conscience didn't have those. And so

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we feel like his life was meaningless. But, um,

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anyway, it just, the whole idea of. success in

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your life and finding meaning in your life through

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all the little moments is what actually makes

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a meaningful life, especially helping others

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and serving others. his spark was to play jazz.

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And he thought that that was his purpose. Yes.

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And I love the line with the Jerry where he's

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like, my purpose is piano. And the Jerry's like,

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Oh, you humans and your passions, like your sparks,

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not your purpose. Like it's so basic. Like that's

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not your, that's not why you're here on this

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planet is to play piano. Like that's so basic.

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So anyway, I love that exchange too. And, and

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one of the ways that as we kind of see 22 and

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Joe start to experience some things together,

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right. Where 22 ends up. taking over joe's body

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right so she's doing things and so for so long

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she didn't want to live because she couldn't

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find a spark suddenly she starts appreciating

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things yeah right um like the taste of pizza

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yeah right like uh she sees one of these trees

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that have the the seeds that fall down and spin

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right and she sees one of those and um and this

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is another one that i want to get your take on

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Because basically she asked him like, well, hey,

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could my purpose be like sky watching? Could

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my purpose be walking? Because walking is so

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great. And he says, those aren't purposes, 22.

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That's just regular old living. What's the lesson

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there? Because it's right in line with what you're

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talking about, right? What's the lesson there?

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Yeah. Yeah. It's an interesting moment where

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he says that at first and it kind of. makes 22

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spiral where she's like i want to go find my

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purpose and she runs away right as they're about

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to switch their bodies and then it comes back

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again at the end when he like realizes he got

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what he wanted it wasn't actually what was going

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to fulfill him in life and so he goes back to

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find 22 because it would become a lost soul and

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then in there like he's like in this i don't

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know darkness with her and like all these you

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know ghosts or whatever talking to them and stuff

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and that line just kind of keeps coming up but

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i listening to the writers talk about soul and

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they talk about like the purpose of life is life

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itself like it is to dance while the music is

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being played and it is to like experience the

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the reality and like the beauties of life and

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we just get so caught up in these certain things

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that sky watching can absolutely be your purpose

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of just like enjoying that moment or enjoying

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the taste of pizza or the sucker or the interaction

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with the barber like those little moments are

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really the culmination of those what makes a

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beautiful meaningful life it's not I was able

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to play at a jazz band or I won an NBA championship.

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That's not really what success is about at the

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end of the day. You know what I'm saying? Absolutely.

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And to that point, I mean, that's one of the

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things that I think Joe ended up commenting on.

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I wrote this one down. And you mentioned earlier,

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but it just perfectly fits in with that. After

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he plays with that jazz band, and he did great.

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He says, I've been waiting on this day my whole

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life. I just thought it would feel different.

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And you sometimes hear that with people who,

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especially in the sports world, it's really easy

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to identify that as a type for what we do and

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experience. But somebody goes and wins a tournament

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or wins a championship, right? And they have

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that thing in that moment. They have joy. But

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then right after, if that's been the only thing,

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their only focus, it's a huge letdown. And I

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want to read another quote from, I believe, somebody

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who you really like. We'll see if you recognize

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it. This author said, realize deeply that the

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present moment is all you ever have. Make the

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now the primary focus of your life. So that's

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Eckhart Tolle from The Power of Now. Because

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that's an author you really like, right? We talked

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about that before. What does that mean to you?

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And let's relate that to like... what you were

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doing on your podcast the advice that you were

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giving to couples as they're getting ready to

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get married right realize deeply the present

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moment is all you ever have make the now the

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primary focus of your life yeah i i think that

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it's really easy for us to get lost in the past

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or even get lost in planning for the future that

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we're missing moments now um my oldest daughter,

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her name is Rosie. And we, there was a couple

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of kind of fun connections, but we didn't decide

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on the name until like my, we were in the hospital,

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like about to give birth. And we had a couple

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of names and we both landed on Rosie. And what

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really swayed me was the idea of stopping and

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smelling the roses of like, I wanted her to be

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that reminder and let live that like life's purpose

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of stopping and smelling the roses. And so I

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think that living in the now, like. For example,

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like I remember a couple of months ago, I went

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on a walk. I love to go. I go on walks all the

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time in my office. But I had like I realized

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in my walk I was so scattered and I like stopped.

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I got to be present. And I found a little golf

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ball. Like it was like a little token of if I

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hadn't been present, I would have missed it.

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Or I've had other times where I'm just so focused

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on whatever I'm doing and like whatever challenges

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are going on. I go on a walk and I see. i see

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like a beautiful yellow bird or i see geese in

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the field or i see a duck in the pond and it

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just like snaps me out of it like those little

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moments of stillness those little moments of

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being present now to like This really isn't that

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big of a deal. I'll actually write another quote

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here. I love this quote. I saw this on someone

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had spray painted on a wall, but it was like,

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you are a ghost driving a meat -coated skeleton

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made from stardust riding on a rock floating

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through space. If you just really zoom out, it's

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like nothing is really that. critical in our

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lives you know what really matters is what are

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you doing now and are you present in this moment

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are you like are you any like i don't know i

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just it is such a true thing that when we start

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getting so bogged down in our life our day -to

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-day what's going on that really if you just

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zoom into this moment right now there's really

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nothing to at the end of the day be that worked

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up about you know before we jump back in can

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00:23:30.539 --> 00:23:35.279
to make the dream a reality. And I think for

00:23:35.279 --> 00:23:37.119
me, what this highlights is the importance that

00:23:37.119 --> 00:23:40.380
we have of, we do, I mean, we need to have goals,

00:23:40.480 --> 00:23:41.720
right? We need to have things where we're saying

00:23:41.720 --> 00:23:44.119
like, let's get alignment. Yeah. Where, where

00:23:44.119 --> 00:23:46.240
are we wanting to go? Like, what are we wanting

00:23:46.240 --> 00:23:50.019
to accomplish? But you set those out, and then

00:23:50.019 --> 00:23:52.539
you live in the moment. Then you live and be

00:23:52.539 --> 00:23:54.319
present with what you're doing. You're on this

00:23:54.319 --> 00:23:58.259
path. Enjoy this path because it is the path.

00:23:59.019 --> 00:24:03.339
And it's easy for us to do the opposite of that

00:24:03.339 --> 00:24:05.240
on either end, right? Either have no goals, so

00:24:05.240 --> 00:24:06.819
now we're wandering around aimlessly without

00:24:06.819 --> 00:24:10.019
any purpose, which doesn't help either, or we're

00:24:10.019 --> 00:24:12.079
so focused on some goal in the future that we

00:24:12.079 --> 00:24:13.940
forget to take those moments to stop and smell

00:24:13.940 --> 00:24:17.170
the roses. We forget to... appreciate the things

00:24:17.170 --> 00:24:20.950
that are going on and the the great things we

00:24:20.950 --> 00:24:22.630
have or i would say like the blessings that we

00:24:22.630 --> 00:24:24.710
have right absolutely wherever you believe those

00:24:24.710 --> 00:24:26.970
blessings come from that that you have those

00:24:26.970 --> 00:24:31.309
things in your life that can bring you joy what's

00:24:31.309 --> 00:24:35.109
for you what's the difference in finding the

00:24:35.109 --> 00:24:38.849
happiness or joy once that thing comes which

00:24:38.849 --> 00:24:42.359
may end up being hollow Or finding joy in the

00:24:42.359 --> 00:24:44.940
journey. How do you find joy in the journey?

00:24:45.019 --> 00:24:47.180
What does that mean to you? Something I've been

00:24:47.180 --> 00:24:50.019
thinking about is as I've been thinking about

00:24:50.019 --> 00:24:51.660
this podcast and just reflecting on different

00:24:51.660 --> 00:24:54.920
areas of my life, any big accomplishment I have

00:24:54.920 --> 00:24:57.160
when I reminisce, I'm not reminiscing about the

00:24:57.160 --> 00:24:59.279
moment of achieving that accomplishment. I'm

00:24:59.279 --> 00:25:01.359
reminiscing about the process, about what I did,

00:25:01.519 --> 00:25:04.440
what happened, the obstacles we overcame to get

00:25:04.440 --> 00:25:06.039
there. Those are the moments I really think about

00:25:06.039 --> 00:25:10.039
and I really love. It just comes back down to

00:25:10.039 --> 00:25:13.279
that. So that process of like the end is really

00:25:13.279 --> 00:25:15.660
not what's going to be the moment that you feel

00:25:15.660 --> 00:25:18.299
like I'm fixed or I'm whole now. It's like it's

00:25:18.299 --> 00:25:20.559
just finding those like when you reflect back

00:25:20.559 --> 00:25:22.140
on the moments, those are those little things

00:25:22.140 --> 00:25:24.039
when you came together to overcome something.

00:25:24.160 --> 00:25:25.619
Those are the moments that you really look back

00:25:25.619 --> 00:25:28.680
on with the most admiration, the most excitement

00:25:28.680 --> 00:25:31.200
and love and joy that I think I think it really

00:25:31.200 --> 00:25:33.640
matters. But to answer your question about how

00:25:33.640 --> 00:25:35.559
do you do it? I think it does come back down

00:25:35.559 --> 00:25:37.990
to. the presence that like being, being aware

00:25:37.990 --> 00:25:40.230
of the moment and like stopping. And like, it's

00:25:40.230 --> 00:25:42.309
E so easy for us to just float through our days.

00:25:42.329 --> 00:25:44.450
And like, you know, you're driving to and from

00:25:44.450 --> 00:25:45.890
work, you want to work and you're just kind of

00:25:45.890 --> 00:25:47.789
in this zombie mode, autopilot is doing your

00:25:47.789 --> 00:25:50.460
thing. And so. having triggers, whether it's

00:25:50.460 --> 00:25:52.980
like maybe walking through a door that like triggers

00:25:52.980 --> 00:25:54.700
you back to get into, you stand up a little bit

00:25:54.700 --> 00:25:56.640
straighter and you're, you're present or you

00:25:56.640 --> 00:25:58.160
just have little moments that help you come back

00:25:58.160 --> 00:26:00.619
to the present moment, little triggers that I

00:26:00.619 --> 00:26:02.440
think can help you to like really realize like

00:26:02.440 --> 00:26:04.880
how beautiful the day is or what, you know, I

00:26:04.880 --> 00:26:07.420
think there's lots of little moments, but I think

00:26:07.420 --> 00:26:10.039
it comes back down to awareness. Yeah. I love

00:26:10.039 --> 00:26:14.119
that point. And it, it just, it leads right into

00:26:14.119 --> 00:26:16.380
this quote that I found from John Batiste, right?

00:26:17.240 --> 00:26:20.500
who is an amazing musician, obviously Grammy

00:26:20.500 --> 00:26:24.059
Award winner, and wrote, again, much of the music

00:26:24.059 --> 00:26:26.599
for this movie. He's also got a lot of other

00:26:26.599 --> 00:26:29.160
great things out there. Just this morning, I

00:26:29.160 --> 00:26:31.420
actually just happened to come across him. It

00:26:31.420 --> 00:26:34.559
was the next in my lineup of Adam Grant's podcast

00:26:34.559 --> 00:26:37.019
that I listen to because I love it. And he was

00:26:37.019 --> 00:26:38.859
on it with his wife. And it was just like, oh,

00:26:38.880 --> 00:26:40.599
my goodness, this is like the perfect thing for

00:26:40.599 --> 00:26:43.259
me to be listening to this guy. But I got a quote

00:26:43.259 --> 00:26:45.059
from him, and he was talking specifically about

00:26:45.059 --> 00:26:48.329
soul. And he says, Joe Gardner represents many

00:26:48.329 --> 00:26:50.470
of my beliefs about jazz and the way that it

00:26:50.470 --> 00:26:53.750
can take you and the audience to a special place

00:26:53.750 --> 00:26:56.730
tied into our spirit and soul. That's when we're

00:26:56.730 --> 00:26:59.369
tapping into the spark that makes us all unique

00:26:59.369 --> 00:27:01.630
individuals. And so when you're talking about

00:27:01.630 --> 00:27:04.250
like things that kind of take you where you want

00:27:04.250 --> 00:27:06.250
to go and like things that you're stopping and

00:27:06.250 --> 00:27:09.250
recognizing those things, to me, so many times

00:27:09.250 --> 00:27:12.250
art forms can do that for us. When I think about

00:27:12.250 --> 00:27:15.099
like, okay, in the movie. joe's playing right

00:27:15.099 --> 00:27:17.259
and he gets kind of lost in it but so does the

00:27:17.259 --> 00:27:21.099
audience with him and what i really love is like

00:27:21.099 --> 00:27:23.539
everybody has their own art form that they like

00:27:23.539 --> 00:27:26.720
yeah for me for whatever reason it's it's theater

00:27:26.720 --> 00:27:28.779
and it's like live theater like musical theater

00:27:28.779 --> 00:27:31.279
there's just something about it that i can watch

00:27:31.279 --> 00:27:34.279
and just appreciating the talent of the people

00:27:34.279 --> 00:27:36.720
that i'm watching feeling immersed in the story

00:27:36.720 --> 00:27:39.180
and what it's teaching me and what lessons i

00:27:39.180 --> 00:27:42.000
have there What is that art form for you? What's

00:27:42.000 --> 00:27:45.480
the art form that you watch or you see or you

00:27:45.480 --> 00:27:48.319
hear? And it just like really connects to your

00:27:48.319 --> 00:27:51.039
soul. Good question. I think some of the, what

00:27:51.039 --> 00:27:52.259
came to my mind when you were talking, I don't

00:27:52.259 --> 00:27:53.900
know if this is the right answer to the question,

00:27:53.920 --> 00:27:56.319
but I do have experiences when I'm listening

00:27:56.319 --> 00:28:00.000
to music, when I just focus on one instrument.

00:28:00.509 --> 00:28:02.849
of that song or like i really just like kind

00:28:02.849 --> 00:28:03.950
of put everything out and i just i'm listening

00:28:03.950 --> 00:28:06.309
to like the piano and i'm just like zoning into

00:28:06.309 --> 00:28:08.910
the piano or the flute or the violin and like

00:28:08.910 --> 00:28:11.349
just how that and then like maybe i switch and

00:28:11.349 --> 00:28:13.930
i do now i just listen to other aspect of it

00:28:13.930 --> 00:28:16.170
and it's such an interesting experience to do

00:28:16.170 --> 00:28:19.849
that and like have it just like just it's so

00:28:19.849 --> 00:28:22.619
amazing that it's all coming together so perfectly

00:28:22.619 --> 00:28:25.400
like everything's in sync and if if you took

00:28:25.400 --> 00:28:27.480
out the guitar it wouldn't sound the same but

00:28:27.480 --> 00:28:29.640
because they all have their their place there

00:28:29.640 --> 00:28:31.119
it all comes together and it's really fun to

00:28:31.119 --> 00:28:33.000
listen that way so i don't know if that that's

00:28:33.000 --> 00:28:34.299
something that an experience i've had a couple

00:28:34.299 --> 00:28:36.359
times that i really i don't know it's just kind

00:28:36.359 --> 00:28:38.220
of a fun like puts me back in the present moment

00:28:38.220 --> 00:28:40.740
it helps me to appreciate the art that this is

00:28:40.740 --> 00:28:42.700
i think movies can be like that for sure and

00:28:42.700 --> 00:28:46.400
uh those are a couple that jump out to me i i

00:28:46.400 --> 00:28:49.480
think that one of the things that sometimes especially

00:28:49.480 --> 00:28:52.880
we grow older right as we're adults one of the

00:28:52.880 --> 00:28:56.299
things that we sometimes miss is that feeling

00:28:56.299 --> 00:29:00.259
of wonder you know um the wonder that you had

00:29:00.259 --> 00:29:01.720
as you're listening to this instrument and that

00:29:01.720 --> 00:29:03.180
instrument and that it can all come together

00:29:03.180 --> 00:29:04.819
so beautifully and create something beautiful

00:29:04.819 --> 00:29:08.579
and as kids we have it like it's like everything

00:29:08.579 --> 00:29:10.259
new like oh my goodness like this thing is amazing

00:29:10.259 --> 00:29:11.700
i remember walking to disneyland the first time

00:29:11.700 --> 00:29:13.960
like this feeling of wonderment oh my goodness

00:29:13.960 --> 00:29:17.400
this is unbelievable And as we get older, if

00:29:17.400 --> 00:29:19.079
we lose that, I think we lose some of the joy

00:29:19.079 --> 00:29:20.740
in life. I think we lose some of the joy of living.

00:29:21.019 --> 00:29:23.880
But if we can remind ourselves of that and then

00:29:23.880 --> 00:29:25.119
take those moments and be like, I'm going to

00:29:25.119 --> 00:29:27.660
listen to this song. I like this. I love doing

00:29:27.660 --> 00:29:30.279
this. I love what this is like. I just think

00:29:30.279 --> 00:29:33.619
it brings some more of that joy as we're experiencing

00:29:33.619 --> 00:29:36.480
life. Yeah, you reminded me of a book I read

00:29:36.480 --> 00:29:39.000
recently called The Art of Spending Money. from

00:29:39.000 --> 00:29:41.200
Morgan Housel, super great book. But he shared

00:29:41.200 --> 00:29:43.779
this experience with this man who was blind his

00:29:43.779 --> 00:29:47.940
whole life. He's like up to his forties and he'd

00:29:47.940 --> 00:29:50.039
had a surgery where he could then see, and he

00:29:50.039 --> 00:29:52.720
was in the hospital and he was freaking out because

00:29:52.720 --> 00:29:55.259
of the carpet. He's like, that's blue. Like,

00:29:55.299 --> 00:29:57.119
are you kidding me? Like, how are you people

00:29:57.119 --> 00:29:58.880
just like going about your days when this carpet

00:29:58.880 --> 00:30:00.779
is in this room? And he like, he just was seeing

00:30:00.779 --> 00:30:02.519
the carpet. And I like, it just hit me so hard.

00:30:03.309 --> 00:30:04.609
Yeah, like, there's those little moments, and

00:30:04.609 --> 00:30:06.490
you can imagine, like, how it was when we went

00:30:06.490 --> 00:30:08.190
outside and saw the sky and saw, like, all these

00:30:08.190 --> 00:30:11.630
things for the first time. Anyway, I just love

00:30:11.630 --> 00:30:14.509
that experience and, you know, the wonderment.

00:30:14.650 --> 00:30:15.970
I think that's one of the beautiful things about

00:30:15.970 --> 00:30:19.990
having kids. Yes. Because I think it helps to

00:30:19.990 --> 00:30:23.269
remind us of that sometimes when we get really

00:30:23.269 --> 00:30:26.849
busy and we have a lot of things going. You know,

00:30:26.890 --> 00:30:28.309
I can just think about just in the last couple

00:30:28.309 --> 00:30:31.250
of weeks, right? You know, my youngest daughter,

00:30:31.329 --> 00:30:34.309
who's six. We've had her join this little choir.

00:30:34.369 --> 00:30:37.069
She's getting singing lessons, which is so odd

00:30:37.069 --> 00:30:40.650
for our family because I can't sing at all. My

00:30:40.650 --> 00:30:42.710
other three kids, maybe it's hidden and we don't

00:30:42.710 --> 00:30:44.329
know, but I don't think they can either. But

00:30:44.329 --> 00:30:45.829
she's shown this like inclination to be able

00:30:45.829 --> 00:30:47.549
to sing. And it just so happened to be this new

00:30:47.549 --> 00:30:49.630
neighborhood we moved into had this lady who

00:30:49.630 --> 00:30:51.329
teaches singing lessons and has this great little

00:30:51.329 --> 00:30:54.210
choir. And we're going to her first performance,

00:30:54.470 --> 00:30:57.490
right? And she gets to sing. It's a single line,

00:30:57.589 --> 00:31:01.420
right? Two bars, a single line, a solo. this

00:31:01.420 --> 00:31:04.660
choir and just just having this wonder about

00:31:04.660 --> 00:31:07.180
her being able to do it and this joy that I feel

00:31:07.180 --> 00:31:10.380
and seeing her have so much joy in doing it you

00:31:10.380 --> 00:31:14.059
know and it's like those moments in life are

00:31:14.059 --> 00:31:16.480
in my mind that's part of what we're talking

00:31:16.480 --> 00:31:19.460
about here of like building your life of fulfillment

00:31:19.460 --> 00:31:24.019
and happiness right it's not because she's gonna

00:31:24.019 --> 00:31:27.440
go win some award doing it It's because she's

00:31:27.440 --> 00:31:29.299
actually really loved doing the singing thing,

00:31:29.400 --> 00:31:31.480
and her teacher's been able to unlock in her

00:31:31.480 --> 00:31:34.759
her voice, which is so cool. So now she's not

00:31:34.759 --> 00:31:37.880
so shy to sing. Now she's willing to, and she's

00:31:37.880 --> 00:31:40.720
willing to do it in front of this audience. And

00:31:40.720 --> 00:31:46.079
those moments bring me back to living in the

00:31:46.079 --> 00:31:49.659
moment, living in the present moment. feeling

00:31:49.659 --> 00:31:52.319
those feelings of being fulfilled, even when

00:31:52.319 --> 00:31:54.220
I have other things that are sometimes stressing

00:31:54.220 --> 00:31:57.619
me. It was so nice because that particular day,

00:31:57.779 --> 00:32:02.480
it was a pretty hard day at work, right? And

00:32:02.480 --> 00:32:06.180
I had a pretty hard week that prior week. But

00:32:06.180 --> 00:32:08.140
that all went away. It's like, I don't know.

00:32:08.420 --> 00:32:10.660
Life's actually really great. I can deal with

00:32:10.660 --> 00:32:12.400
those things when I get back to the office. I

00:32:12.400 --> 00:32:15.720
will have to, but I don't have to let it dominate

00:32:15.720 --> 00:32:18.299
my thoughts and my feelings. What do you do to

00:32:18.299 --> 00:32:20.819
shake yourself out of it if you're in that situation

00:32:20.819 --> 00:32:22.940
that we all sometimes find ourselves in where

00:32:22.940 --> 00:32:27.220
we aren't living in the moment? We're Joe Gardner,

00:32:27.279 --> 00:32:29.319
and we're like, oh, my life is meaningless. What's

00:32:29.319 --> 00:32:31.480
the point? Oh, it's horrible. I'm not getting

00:32:31.480 --> 00:32:33.759
what I want. What do you do to shake yourself

00:32:33.759 --> 00:32:36.680
out of it? I have found that being in nature,

00:32:37.579 --> 00:32:39.259
you know, like I was kind of sharing some experiences

00:32:39.259 --> 00:32:41.539
going on walks. Like I remember being really

00:32:41.539 --> 00:32:43.380
bogged down with work stuff. I went on a walk

00:32:43.380 --> 00:32:45.519
and I just saw all these geese in the field were

00:32:45.519 --> 00:32:47.299
just eating. And it made me think about, you

00:32:47.299 --> 00:32:50.200
know, the scriptures of, about God, you know,

00:32:50.200 --> 00:32:52.519
he, he takes care of the fowls in the field.

00:32:52.579 --> 00:32:53.980
Like how much more does he not care about and

00:32:53.980 --> 00:32:56.750
love you? uh if he's willing to feed them and

00:32:56.750 --> 00:32:58.549
like i was like all these birds just going about

00:32:58.549 --> 00:33:00.029
their lives just find their worms they're just

00:33:00.029 --> 00:33:01.369
doing their thing and all i'm doing is going

00:33:01.369 --> 00:33:03.049
about my life finding my worm like why am i getting

00:33:03.049 --> 00:33:05.230
so worked up about that so i feel like nature

00:33:05.230 --> 00:33:07.049
has a way of snapping me back out i love going

00:33:07.049 --> 00:33:09.029
into the mountains going to hike and just seeing

00:33:09.029 --> 00:33:12.049
the vista just seeing like i am in one tiny little

00:33:12.049 --> 00:33:14.230
section of the whole world and this little section

00:33:14.230 --> 00:33:16.710
is beautiful but if i really zoom out this place

00:33:16.710 --> 00:33:20.230
is so big there is so much going on here And

00:33:20.230 --> 00:33:22.529
it just helps me to get perspective on like,

00:33:22.609 --> 00:33:24.970
if I'm really so zoomed into what I'm working

00:33:24.970 --> 00:33:27.190
on and what I'm, you know, what I'm focused on

00:33:27.190 --> 00:33:29.970
that, like backing things up, seeing some beautiful

00:33:29.970 --> 00:33:32.230
things, a beautiful site and just realizing my

00:33:32.230 --> 00:33:34.009
place in the world and just trying to influence

00:33:34.009 --> 00:33:35.829
things and do the best I can. That's really all

00:33:35.829 --> 00:33:38.089
I can ask myself. So I think there's been a couple

00:33:38.089 --> 00:33:41.740
of things that. Whether sometimes I try to intentionally

00:33:41.740 --> 00:33:44.940
put myself into it or God or I have an experience

00:33:44.940 --> 00:33:47.720
that just helps me to snap back out of this funk

00:33:47.720 --> 00:33:49.519
that I'm in. I feel like I've been grateful to

00:33:49.519 --> 00:33:52.539
have those moments in my life. Have you ever

00:33:52.539 --> 00:33:57.180
had an experience where things were really hard?

00:33:57.299 --> 00:34:00.539
Have you experienced a really big trial in your

00:34:00.539 --> 00:34:04.960
life that was something that was pretty tough,

00:34:05.059 --> 00:34:08.260
pretty dark, pretty difficult? And if so, what...

00:34:08.409 --> 00:34:10.110
What did that journey out of that look like?

00:34:11.030 --> 00:34:13.010
Yeah, it's a good question. I definitely haven't

00:34:13.010 --> 00:34:16.389
had, like, when I was in seventh, eighth grade,

00:34:16.429 --> 00:34:18.110
I had a really good friend of mine pass away

00:34:18.110 --> 00:34:19.750
from cancer, and that was a moment that was,

00:34:19.809 --> 00:34:24.429
yeah, that was. That young. Yeah, Jaden Lambert,

00:34:24.489 --> 00:34:26.769
shout out to Jaden. He was amazing and had some

00:34:26.769 --> 00:34:29.210
really beautiful experiences with him and just

00:34:29.210 --> 00:34:31.409
like reflecting on that. What came to my mind,

00:34:31.409 --> 00:34:35.309
I guess, like a bit of, I don't know, this is

00:34:35.309 --> 00:34:37.090
a different take on maybe your question, but.

00:34:37.559 --> 00:34:39.119
So I did door -to -door sales for three years

00:34:39.119 --> 00:34:41.639
selling pest control, and that's a hard gig.

00:34:42.639 --> 00:34:45.239
I had to remember my third summer. I was always

00:34:45.239 --> 00:34:47.679
good. I was good at selling, and I was always

00:34:47.679 --> 00:34:49.739
successful. And so I did it for three summers.

00:34:49.800 --> 00:34:51.500
My third summer was in Austin, Texas, selling

00:34:51.500 --> 00:34:53.380
pest control, and I was running a team with my

00:34:53.380 --> 00:34:56.380
friend. And I had kind of set this goal. Like,

00:34:56.380 --> 00:34:59.400
in pest control sales, if you can sell 1 ,000

00:34:59.400 --> 00:35:01.900
contracts, that's kind of like the gold standard.

00:35:02.019 --> 00:35:04.900
Like, you're elite, you know? And I had, I was

00:35:04.900 --> 00:35:06.679
like dabbling up, should I go for a thousand?

00:35:06.860 --> 00:35:08.699
I don't know. And so my first, I'm like, I'm

00:35:08.699 --> 00:35:10.920
going to go for a thousand. Why not? Uh, my first

00:35:10.920 --> 00:35:14.219
day I go and I'm knocking and I like barely get

00:35:14.219 --> 00:35:16.260
one, right? Like I just get, I sell this one

00:35:16.260 --> 00:35:18.599
Hispanic, I spoke Spanish, my mission. So I sold

00:35:18.599 --> 00:35:20.619
this like one spent like family speaking Spanish.

00:35:20.940 --> 00:35:22.800
I remember going back to my farm. I, my family

00:35:22.800 --> 00:35:25.469
hadn't made it to. Austin. Yeah. And I go up

00:35:25.469 --> 00:35:26.949
to the apartment. I just like I'm just like laying

00:35:26.949 --> 00:35:29.349
on the ground, like, you know, I kind of overwhelmed

00:35:29.349 --> 00:35:33.070
by that goal, overwhelmed by my performance and

00:35:33.070 --> 00:35:35.750
just like really feeling like, what am I doing?

00:35:36.750 --> 00:35:39.389
And so I did like a little meditation, just laying

00:35:39.389 --> 00:35:41.929
on the ground and talking to I had hired a coach

00:35:41.929 --> 00:35:43.429
that year to help me work through some things.

00:35:43.449 --> 00:35:47.679
And. Anyway, just kind of changing my goal and

00:35:47.679 --> 00:35:49.539
got to 500. Anyway, it was a whole thing, but

00:35:49.539 --> 00:35:51.480
I remember that moment of being just like so

00:35:51.480 --> 00:35:54.039
overwhelmed and so burdened, but then contrast

00:35:54.039 --> 00:35:56.380
that with reaching the goal. I ended up changing

00:35:56.380 --> 00:35:59.360
my goal to 500, reaching that goal, getting through

00:35:59.360 --> 00:36:01.079
it, showing up every day, chopping wood, carrying

00:36:01.079 --> 00:36:04.400
water, and then, yeah, achieving that was kind

00:36:04.400 --> 00:36:07.159
of a special moment of kind of coming through.

00:36:07.239 --> 00:36:09.780
But anyway, that was what jumped into my mind

00:36:09.780 --> 00:36:12.460
with that question. So that, I mean, that kind

00:36:12.460 --> 00:36:13.699
of brings to my mind a couple other questions

00:36:13.699 --> 00:36:16.820
I have for you then. So, you know, in life, early

00:36:16.820 --> 00:36:18.059
on in this conversation, we're talking about,

00:36:18.099 --> 00:36:19.639
like, sometimes, you know, we're going down a

00:36:19.639 --> 00:36:22.219
certain path and life takes a different direction.

00:36:23.039 --> 00:36:24.780
And it's not necessarily a bad thing, right?

00:36:25.199 --> 00:36:26.739
And so kind of what I've heard is, like, you

00:36:26.739 --> 00:36:28.000
had this one where, like, it was going to be

00:36:28.000 --> 00:36:29.480
1 ,000, but in reality, like, it ended up being

00:36:29.480 --> 00:36:32.639
500. And that was the right goal because of what

00:36:32.639 --> 00:36:34.360
it was there and what you could accomplish and

00:36:34.360 --> 00:36:36.949
what you were doing. You had this great podcast,

00:36:37.170 --> 00:36:39.210
right? And then at some point in time, you guys

00:36:39.210 --> 00:36:41.429
decided to stop doing the podcast. And so life

00:36:41.429 --> 00:36:44.050
took you in a different direction. What guidance

00:36:44.050 --> 00:36:47.070
would you have for people when you're trying

00:36:47.070 --> 00:36:49.469
to experience the joy and find the fulfillment

00:36:49.469 --> 00:36:51.690
in life, and sometimes that means you've got

00:36:51.690 --> 00:36:55.590
to make a change? Yeah, that's a good question.

00:36:56.110 --> 00:37:00.710
I think making any changes in your life, I found

00:37:00.710 --> 00:37:06.900
a lot of... I don't know exactly how to put this,

00:37:06.960 --> 00:37:09.500
but just in talking and counseling with my wife,

00:37:09.619 --> 00:37:12.800
I found so much wisdom from her and being able

00:37:12.800 --> 00:37:15.280
to come to her with challenges I'm going through

00:37:15.280 --> 00:37:17.199
or like just being able to have someone to counsel

00:37:17.199 --> 00:37:20.079
with. Oh, that's yeah. That's the other apparent,

00:37:20.320 --> 00:37:22.780
the Lord. I feel like in making those decisions

00:37:22.780 --> 00:37:24.960
has been, and even journaling, I feel like journaling

00:37:24.960 --> 00:37:27.179
too and getting those thoughts down have been

00:37:27.179 --> 00:37:30.650
so impactful to really help. me pinpoint the

00:37:30.650 --> 00:37:32.170
direction we need to go and like hey if we're

00:37:32.170 --> 00:37:34.250
feeling like we need to change this like so for

00:37:34.250 --> 00:37:36.150
that goal of going from a thousand it was counseling

00:37:36.150 --> 00:37:38.489
with that coach i'd hired he's like hey mission

00:37:38.489 --> 00:37:40.530
1000 could still be on the board but let's go

00:37:40.530 --> 00:37:42.449
through mission 500 first like let's hit 500

00:37:42.449 --> 00:37:45.389
first and then when i chose that 500 it was that

00:37:45.389 --> 00:37:47.329
weight lifted off like i don't have to sell 10

00:37:47.329 --> 00:37:48.849
every day like i can just go out there and be

00:37:48.849 --> 00:37:51.429
my best and show up and not have this pressure

00:37:51.429 --> 00:37:53.530
not have the stress and be able to refine that

00:37:53.530 --> 00:37:57.170
um and so i really think that journaling counseling

00:37:57.170 --> 00:37:59.409
with others you know taking it to the lord in

00:37:59.409 --> 00:38:01.110
prayer i think are some of the most helpful things

00:38:01.110 --> 00:38:03.010
to help you make those big shifts that you need

00:38:03.010 --> 00:38:04.989
to make in your life at times you know yeah and

00:38:04.989 --> 00:38:07.710
and you bring up an interesting one which um

00:38:07.710 --> 00:38:09.969
i find very difficult for myself to do which

00:38:09.969 --> 00:38:12.170
is journaling and the reason i say it's interesting

00:38:12.170 --> 00:38:14.949
is um in that podcast that i was listening to

00:38:14.949 --> 00:38:17.789
with john batiste and his wife they both do it

00:38:17.789 --> 00:38:21.190
religiously and not only do they do it individually

00:38:21.190 --> 00:38:23.909
they actually journal together that's amazing

00:38:23.909 --> 00:38:26.610
which is actually Kind of cool. I'd never heard

00:38:26.610 --> 00:38:28.449
of that idea before. They explained that we're

00:38:28.449 --> 00:38:31.670
basically like in their own journal, they'll

00:38:31.670 --> 00:38:34.949
write a letter to the other and then they'll

00:38:34.949 --> 00:38:37.530
send a picture every day to each other of it.

00:38:37.610 --> 00:38:39.710
That's amazing. And they just both said that

00:38:39.710 --> 00:38:42.670
like both individually journaling, you start

00:38:42.670 --> 00:38:45.050
understanding things about yourself by doing

00:38:45.050 --> 00:38:48.050
that. And then when you have that moment to write

00:38:48.050 --> 00:38:50.250
that letter to your spouse, it's the same thing.

00:38:50.289 --> 00:38:53.400
You express things there. that you just may not

00:38:53.400 --> 00:38:55.780
have taken the time or not even realized to express

00:38:55.780 --> 00:38:58.880
to your spouse in another way. And it really

00:38:58.880 --> 00:39:01.539
unlocks something, right, in journaling. It's

00:39:01.539 --> 00:39:03.239
like got me all thinking, okay, I'm not going

00:39:03.239 --> 00:39:04.400
to go talk to my wife tonight. I'll be like,

00:39:04.460 --> 00:39:06.420
okay, honey, we can start journaling together.

00:39:06.679 --> 00:39:08.840
I might not be able to make it happen, right?

00:39:08.980 --> 00:39:11.840
I might not be able to. But there is something

00:39:11.840 --> 00:39:14.440
that gets unlocked in you when you journal for

00:39:14.440 --> 00:39:16.380
you to be able to think through and process through

00:39:16.380 --> 00:39:18.559
the things that are happening. It allows you

00:39:18.559 --> 00:39:20.619
to think about the way that you're processing

00:39:20.619 --> 00:39:24.940
things. Adam Grant and Brene Brown call it thinking

00:39:24.940 --> 00:39:27.380
about thinking, right? Like metacognition. So

00:39:27.380 --> 00:39:30.440
you do more of that when you journal, and then

00:39:30.440 --> 00:39:33.119
you can start to reshape the way that you see

00:39:33.119 --> 00:39:35.760
things, the way that you see life, and start

00:39:35.760 --> 00:39:39.880
to see it as more of the process of becoming

00:39:39.880 --> 00:39:44.420
as opposed to just the end destination. So in

00:39:44.420 --> 00:39:46.739
the movie... We've already kind of talked about

00:39:46.739 --> 00:39:48.980
it, but I want to get this as we kind of fill

00:39:48.980 --> 00:39:54.380
out this arc. One of the things that Joe ends

00:39:54.380 --> 00:39:59.059
up saying to 22 is a spark isn't your purpose.

00:39:59.199 --> 00:40:01.780
Your spark comes when you're ready to start living.

00:40:03.000 --> 00:40:05.440
Because 22 kept waiting for what is my spark?

00:40:05.519 --> 00:40:07.059
What's that thing going to be that I have to

00:40:07.059 --> 00:40:10.719
have? And then Jerry, is it Jerry? Like all the

00:40:10.719 --> 00:40:13.280
Jerrys had told Joe, like, no, no, no. Like you

00:40:13.280 --> 00:40:15.360
said, like, no, no, no. Spark isn't your purpose.

00:40:15.440 --> 00:40:16.739
You totally don't understand what a spark means

00:40:16.739 --> 00:40:18.619
at all. And he has to go through that experience

00:40:18.619 --> 00:40:20.059
to start understanding what it means. And then

00:40:20.059 --> 00:40:22.079
he communicates that to 22 and kind of unable

00:40:22.079 --> 00:40:25.639
to unlock that for her. So for you, as we're

00:40:25.639 --> 00:40:28.099
kind of coming through that arc there, you know,

00:40:28.139 --> 00:40:30.679
what's your insight there? A spark isn't your

00:40:30.679 --> 00:40:32.619
purpose. A spark comes when you're ready to start

00:40:32.619 --> 00:40:35.500
living. What's your insight there? Yeah, it's

00:40:35.500 --> 00:40:38.159
a good, I don't know. I don't. Well, I guess

00:40:38.159 --> 00:40:39.400
I don't know if this answers that question. One

00:40:39.400 --> 00:40:42.039
of my favorite moments in the movie is early

00:40:42.039 --> 00:40:44.920
on when you're watching and again Joe dies and

00:40:44.920 --> 00:40:47.400
he sees like the vision of his life and there's

00:40:47.400 --> 00:40:49.940
a scene in the vision where he's eating pie and

00:40:49.940 --> 00:40:52.559
it just he just like it's so it looks all dark

00:40:52.559 --> 00:40:54.980
and he's like my life is meaningless and he has

00:40:54.980 --> 00:40:58.019
that moment and then when he then has his realization

00:40:58.019 --> 00:41:00.900
at the end when he's playing the piano and he's

00:41:00.900 --> 00:41:02.559
reflecting like all the moments of his life that

00:41:02.559 --> 00:41:05.530
really made his life like meaningful. um when

00:41:05.530 --> 00:41:07.769
he realized that like moments with his uh with

00:41:07.769 --> 00:41:09.989
his dad yeah he's playing the piano he's playing

00:41:09.989 --> 00:41:11.909
the piano and you can see his dad's older and

00:41:11.909 --> 00:41:14.750
he's just like yeah loving yes being in that

00:41:14.750 --> 00:41:17.289
moment with yeah well yeah exactly he's with

00:41:17.289 --> 00:41:19.190
his dad he's like riding his bike and he's enjoying

00:41:19.190 --> 00:41:21.389
the sun he's with his mom after his dad passed

00:41:21.389 --> 00:41:23.530
away and like they have their feet in the in

00:41:23.530 --> 00:41:25.329
the water and then he has the moment of him eating

00:41:25.329 --> 00:41:28.010
that pie and it's like it wasn't a meaningless

00:41:28.010 --> 00:41:30.329
moment because the pie was was so delicious like

00:41:30.329 --> 00:41:32.530
it was it was he like really savored it and like

00:41:32.530 --> 00:41:35.219
it's just so interesting that In one context,

00:41:35.420 --> 00:41:38.780
that was a meaningless moment for him. Afterwards,

00:41:39.099 --> 00:41:40.840
when he's reflecting, it was actually a very

00:41:40.840 --> 00:41:43.599
meaningful, significant moment in his life. I

00:41:43.599 --> 00:41:45.559
think it's such a powerful thing that you can

00:41:45.559 --> 00:41:47.880
find that meaning or that spark really in anything

00:41:47.880 --> 00:41:49.820
in your life. It can be watching the sky. It

00:41:49.820 --> 00:41:51.119
can be walking. It can be just having a bite

00:41:51.119 --> 00:41:53.699
of pie. I think that's one of my favorite moments

00:41:53.699 --> 00:41:55.800
of that. It's subtle, but I think it's a really

00:41:55.800 --> 00:41:57.679
beautiful scene. And I love the reframe. Yeah.

00:41:58.639 --> 00:42:01.800
Because initially when he only sees it through

00:42:01.800 --> 00:42:04.320
the lens of the spark has to be me playing the

00:42:04.320 --> 00:42:06.480
piano and doing it, not just playing it, but

00:42:06.480 --> 00:42:10.139
being in a jazz band and being successful. That's

00:42:10.139 --> 00:42:13.119
where it is all seen through that lens, literally

00:42:13.119 --> 00:42:14.880
in this case, because the lens makes it like

00:42:14.880 --> 00:42:16.519
darker. It's such a nice representation, right?

00:42:17.280 --> 00:42:19.920
But in reality, he did experience those. And

00:42:19.920 --> 00:42:23.960
when he reframes that, those meanings were actually

00:42:23.960 --> 00:42:25.559
there and he did experience them. He just needs

00:42:25.559 --> 00:42:28.059
to reframe it and see it differently. And I think

00:42:28.059 --> 00:42:29.980
what it highlights for us is sometimes that's

00:42:29.980 --> 00:42:32.000
what it is, that the reset we need to have ends

00:42:32.000 --> 00:42:34.139
up becoming a reframe. We reset so that we can

00:42:34.139 --> 00:42:36.039
reframe the way that we're seeing things in life

00:42:36.039 --> 00:42:39.059
and seeing them with more meaning and with more

00:42:39.059 --> 00:42:41.280
purpose, appreciating the things that we have,

00:42:41.360 --> 00:42:43.639
which is kind of really done in a really beautiful

00:42:43.639 --> 00:42:48.019
way, that movie. Okay, so we're going to come

00:42:48.019 --> 00:42:50.960
back to the three actionable takeaways that we're

00:42:50.960 --> 00:42:52.860
going to have you share, okay? Cool. Three things

00:42:52.860 --> 00:42:56.639
people can do to find more fulfillment and more...

00:42:57.629 --> 00:43:00.369
living more happiness now as opposed to having

00:43:00.369 --> 00:43:01.869
to wait to some end goal. But before we get there,

00:43:01.889 --> 00:43:03.550
we're going to have two fun segments, okay? Cool.

00:43:03.630 --> 00:43:06.690
So the first is this or that, okay? So as we

00:43:06.690 --> 00:43:10.289
always say, like, be prepared to defend your

00:43:10.289 --> 00:43:13.630
controversial picks or this or that, okay? First

00:43:13.630 --> 00:43:20.369
one, 22 or moon wind? I like 22. Yeah. Yeah.

00:43:20.760 --> 00:43:23.719
Just, like, her whole journey and just coming

00:43:23.719 --> 00:43:25.360
to the conclusion I like 22. Part of it, too,

00:43:25.400 --> 00:43:27.239
because it's Tina Fey. Yeah, yeah. Right? Like,

00:43:27.239 --> 00:43:28.420
who doesn't love Tina Fey? She had all the funny

00:43:28.420 --> 00:43:30.179
moments. She's so great. Like, the Knicks thing,

00:43:30.380 --> 00:43:34.500
you know? I love Tina Fey. Okay, Manhattan or

00:43:34.500 --> 00:43:38.679
Central Park? Oof. So we lived in Long Island

00:43:38.679 --> 00:43:42.059
for a little while, and my experience of Central

00:43:42.059 --> 00:43:44.179
Park was we went there. It was beautiful. We

00:43:44.179 --> 00:43:46.019
ran some bikes. We were biking around. Right

00:43:46.019 --> 00:43:48.440
when it got dark, dude, it got so sketchy. All

00:43:48.440 --> 00:43:49.860
these people started coming out, weed everywhere.

00:43:50.059 --> 00:43:52.400
We're like, we've got to get out of here. So

00:43:52.400 --> 00:43:55.219
I'll probably go Manhattan on that one just because

00:43:55.219 --> 00:43:57.139
of that experience with Central Park. Which is

00:43:57.139 --> 00:43:59.840
good for me because I've been to Central Park

00:43:59.840 --> 00:44:03.320
a number of times, but it's always been in the

00:44:03.320 --> 00:44:05.179
morning or during the day. I've never been at

00:44:05.179 --> 00:44:08.420
night. It surprised us. We were like, oh, wow.

00:44:08.599 --> 00:44:10.019
Yeah, avoid it at night is what I'm hearing.

00:44:10.179 --> 00:44:13.199
I still love Central Park, so I'll keep that

00:44:13.199 --> 00:44:19.079
by avoiding it at night. Okay. Jazz club or concert

00:44:19.079 --> 00:44:25.000
hall? Probably jazz club. I think just because

00:44:25.000 --> 00:44:27.460
of my affinity for soul. Just having that experience

00:44:27.460 --> 00:44:29.519
at a jazz club. And that little vibe. Yeah. Okay,

00:44:29.579 --> 00:44:32.380
so this is right along with that. Piano or saxophone?

00:44:32.659 --> 00:44:35.840
Piano. Do you play the piano? I did play the

00:44:35.840 --> 00:44:39.199
piano growing up. I'm not good. I've tried twice

00:44:39.199 --> 00:44:41.940
now. I got Simply Piano, that app, to try to

00:44:41.940 --> 00:44:43.840
teach it. I've done it twice, but I haven't really

00:44:43.840 --> 00:44:46.139
stuck with it either time. So one day I will.

00:44:46.139 --> 00:44:48.039
So you can maybe dabble a little bit? I'd love

00:44:48.039 --> 00:44:50.019
to be able to. But that's something I can really

00:44:50.019 --> 00:44:52.880
admire, the piano and people, just how they're

00:44:52.880 --> 00:44:54.840
doing it. It's just incredible. When I see somebody

00:44:54.840 --> 00:44:57.519
play, especially somebody highly skilled, it's

00:44:57.519 --> 00:45:00.559
just like I just sit there and wonder and awe.

00:45:00.889 --> 00:45:04.210
My goodness. There's so much talent and skill

00:45:04.210 --> 00:45:07.989
and hard work that goes into that person getting

00:45:07.989 --> 00:45:09.849
to that point where they can do that. Yeah, it's

00:45:09.849 --> 00:45:16.110
amazing. New York City or New Orleans? New York

00:45:16.110 --> 00:45:21.610
City. I have ties to New Orleans. My dad's family

00:45:21.610 --> 00:45:24.650
lives in Louisiana, so we go to Louisiana pretty

00:45:24.650 --> 00:45:27.130
often. You'll take New York City. Yeah, but I

00:45:27.130 --> 00:45:29.210
think just because I lived in Long Island, New

00:45:29.210 --> 00:45:32.139
York City. Yeah, I do like both cities, but I'd

00:45:32.139 --> 00:45:34.159
swing a little bit towards New York. Okay, well,

00:45:34.219 --> 00:45:36.320
so this might make it a tougher question this

00:45:36.320 --> 00:45:40.579
next one, okay? New York pizza or home -cooked

00:45:40.579 --> 00:45:45.500
meal? I kind of lean towards New York pizza.

00:45:46.099 --> 00:45:48.320
Pizza's so good. It's so good. There's so many

00:45:48.320 --> 00:45:50.519
good joints. My favorite experience eating, though,

00:45:50.539 --> 00:45:53.039
was we went to a bagel joint in New York. And,

00:45:53.039 --> 00:45:55.179
like, they just had so many words I didn't even

00:45:55.179 --> 00:45:57.239
know. I was like, you can do this with bagels?

00:45:57.260 --> 00:45:58.619
Like, they were going off, dude. We were like,

00:45:58.699 --> 00:46:01.960
what? It was crazy. But it was good. Like a little

00:46:01.960 --> 00:46:03.159
hole -in -the -wall bagel. I'm going to throw

00:46:03.159 --> 00:46:05.719
one on the fly then. So New York pizza or New

00:46:05.719 --> 00:46:08.619
York bagel? Pizza. I mean, pizza is still elite.

00:46:08.840 --> 00:46:10.699
I mean, it's still amazing, right? Like, it's

00:46:10.699 --> 00:46:14.960
amazing. But a New York bagel for me, and I don't

00:46:14.960 --> 00:46:17.440
know why it is, and nobody can really explain

00:46:17.440 --> 00:46:19.869
why. New York bagels are just better than bagels

00:46:19.869 --> 00:46:21.929
in any other place. I don't know why. They're

00:46:21.929 --> 00:46:25.070
unbelievable. Unbelievable. I eat them all the

00:46:25.070 --> 00:46:27.989
time when I'm there. I can't do gluten really.

00:46:28.550 --> 00:46:31.449
I can take a gluten pill to make me not as sick.

00:46:32.190 --> 00:46:34.230
And I take a lot of gluten pills in New York

00:46:34.230 --> 00:46:35.869
City because it's the pizza and the bagels. So

00:46:35.869 --> 00:46:38.050
I'm constantly taking these pills to try to minimize

00:46:38.050 --> 00:46:39.989
the impact of this gluten because it's so good.

00:46:40.190 --> 00:46:43.789
So good. Okay. Window seat or aisle seat? Window.

00:46:44.460 --> 00:46:46.239
Okay, your window guy. You like to look out the

00:46:46.239 --> 00:46:47.880
window? I do like to look out the window. It

00:46:47.880 --> 00:46:50.360
is like, the aisle's nice because I'm long. You

00:46:50.360 --> 00:46:52.739
know, I need leg room. But I think I lean towards

00:46:52.739 --> 00:46:55.059
the window. See, I'm aisle all the way because

00:46:55.059 --> 00:46:57.739
of that. I just, I want to be able to stretch

00:46:57.739 --> 00:47:00.880
my legs. And also, I'm the kind of, I hate to

00:47:00.880 --> 00:47:04.039
inconvenience somebody. I hate it so much. And

00:47:04.039 --> 00:47:07.019
so, if I can be in the aisle, if I got to go

00:47:07.019 --> 00:47:08.989
to the bathroom, I feel like I can. When I'm

00:47:08.989 --> 00:47:11.150
in the middle seat of the window, I will hold

00:47:11.150 --> 00:47:13.590
it that whole flight unless I am about to lose

00:47:13.590 --> 00:47:16.230
it. Because I do not want to make them get up.

00:47:17.050 --> 00:47:19.510
Especially if you have to go twice. It's like

00:47:19.510 --> 00:47:20.929
a three -hour flight. You have to get up once.

00:47:21.070 --> 00:47:22.530
You can do once, but you can't get up again.

00:47:22.710 --> 00:47:26.309
Now you're cooked. And look, I'm over 40, and

00:47:26.309 --> 00:47:28.909
I've got to go to the bathroom a lot. It's just

00:47:28.909 --> 00:47:31.449
a reality. As you get older, you will find out

00:47:31.449 --> 00:47:34.289
in 15 years. You'll find out eventually. Okay,

00:47:34.670 --> 00:47:37.010
Disneyland or Disney World? Disneyland, actually.

00:47:37.050 --> 00:47:39.309
We went to Disney World just last year, and I

00:47:39.309 --> 00:47:41.309
was like, I think Disneyland is better. They

00:47:41.309 --> 00:47:45.539
had way more churros than Disneyland. Yes, a

00:47:45.539 --> 00:47:47.599
lot more. A lot more churros. I feel like the

00:47:47.599 --> 00:47:49.739
food generally was better. Epcot was the exception.

00:47:49.920 --> 00:47:51.380
Epcot had really cool food. That's exactly right.

00:47:51.519 --> 00:47:54.260
I feel like Disneyland is more concentrated.

00:47:54.420 --> 00:47:55.880
There's two parks. You get everything in two

00:47:55.880 --> 00:47:58.000
parks versus Disney World. You have the four,

00:47:58.039 --> 00:47:59.539
and it's all kind of spread out. And some parks

00:47:59.539 --> 00:48:01.980
are better. I feel like the two main parks in

00:48:01.980 --> 00:48:03.739
Disney World don't equal the two main parks in

00:48:03.739 --> 00:48:05.619
Disneyland. So I think Disneyland takes the edge.

00:48:05.980 --> 00:48:08.269
Disneyland for me as well. I do love me some

00:48:08.269 --> 00:48:10.949
Epcot. Yeah, Epcot is cool. All the Disney world,

00:48:11.130 --> 00:48:13.429
like Epcot, I really have an affinity for now.

00:48:13.550 --> 00:48:16.090
The food is great. The rides are terrific. It's

00:48:16.090 --> 00:48:17.769
just something that's totally different, right?

00:48:18.650 --> 00:48:21.210
But yeah, Disneyland's amazing. Okay, movie theater

00:48:21.210 --> 00:48:24.389
or movie at home? I do love going to the theater.

00:48:24.630 --> 00:48:26.949
Just the whole experience of the theater. You're

00:48:26.949 --> 00:48:30.010
giving yourself a two -hour little, I'm just

00:48:30.010 --> 00:48:32.989
escaping. I'm going to see The Mandalorian tonight

00:48:32.989 --> 00:48:35.809
with my brother. Today? Today. Does it come out?

00:48:35.869 --> 00:48:38.070
I think it's like a little early. My realtor,

00:48:38.130 --> 00:48:39.849
he's hooking us up. Oh, man, you are getting

00:48:39.849 --> 00:48:42.130
hooked up. Oh, that should be a fun one. I'm

00:48:42.130 --> 00:48:43.030
excited. It's always going to be fun. I love

00:48:43.030 --> 00:48:46.710
the series on Disney+. It's amazing. Okay, here's

00:48:46.710 --> 00:48:49.050
a rapid fire, okay? So just first one that comes

00:48:49.050 --> 00:48:52.349
to mind. Cool. Okay? Favorite Disney movie? Soul.

00:48:53.329 --> 00:48:54.869
Favorite? I think it's our favorite. I think

00:48:54.869 --> 00:48:56.510
it's our favorite. Love that. Favorite Disney

00:48:56.510 --> 00:49:01.730
song? Hakuna Matata. It's just as soon as you

00:49:01.730 --> 00:49:05.389
hear it. Oh, 100%. I feel like whoever sings

00:49:05.389 --> 00:49:07.969
for Simba all the time, dude, he's got pipes.

00:49:08.070 --> 00:49:09.929
So it's amazing. Oh, yeah, both the kid version

00:49:09.929 --> 00:49:12.570
and the adult version. Yeah, that's true. Favorite

00:49:12.570 --> 00:49:15.750
Disney princess? Mulan. I think Mulan's the GOAT,

00:49:15.750 --> 00:49:18.090
and I don't think it's close. She's rad. She's

00:49:18.090 --> 00:49:20.210
the best. Like, I just rewatched it for an episode

00:49:20.210 --> 00:49:22.130
that we recorded, and I'm watching it again.

00:49:22.150 --> 00:49:24.489
I'm just like, man, I love this movie. 100%.

00:49:24.489 --> 00:49:27.090
She is so great. Great songs. Mulan is awesome.

00:49:27.269 --> 00:49:30.929
Yeah. Yeah, that one's... Yeah, I love her. Favorite

00:49:30.929 --> 00:49:35.050
Disney villain? I think this is a loophole, but

00:49:35.050 --> 00:49:38.550
Wreck -It Ralph. Okay, because he is. In the

00:49:38.550 --> 00:49:40.630
game, he is absolutely the villain. There is

00:49:40.630 --> 00:49:43.010
no question he's the villain, and all he wants

00:49:43.010 --> 00:49:45.070
to do is have a hero's journey. He wants to be

00:49:45.070 --> 00:49:47.809
a hero. He's so lovable. Before Soul came out,

00:49:47.869 --> 00:49:49.110
Wreck -It Ralph was my favorite Disney movie.

00:49:49.949 --> 00:49:51.610
I like that loophole. We have a tie too. Cause

00:49:51.610 --> 00:49:54.309
my, um, my, when I was on mutual, when I met

00:49:54.309 --> 00:49:56.610
my wife, my quote was like Brecker Ralph's quote.

00:49:56.670 --> 00:49:58.489
It's like, I'm not, I forget. I always forget.

00:49:58.590 --> 00:50:00.909
It's like, I'm not good. That's, that's not good.

00:50:01.110 --> 00:50:02.329
Anyway, but he's like, there's no one rather

00:50:02.329 --> 00:50:04.170
be than me. And like, that was my quote in my

00:50:04.170 --> 00:50:06.789
bio. And that's my wife had a quote and that's

00:50:06.789 --> 00:50:09.190
how we connected. So amazing. I love that actually.

00:50:09.570 --> 00:50:13.130
Uh, favorite Disney treat, which actually is,

00:50:13.130 --> 00:50:14.610
I'm glad I asked this because you just talked

00:50:14.610 --> 00:50:16.849
about liking the food. Yeah. Yeah. I think, uh,

00:50:16.869 --> 00:50:20.679
I'm a sucker for, like some candied almonds or

00:50:20.679 --> 00:50:23.059
something, like those cinnamon, sugar, almond.

00:50:23.099 --> 00:50:25.380
Those are amazing. I thought you were going to

00:50:25.380 --> 00:50:27.619
go churro. Churros, I mean, yeah. I was trying

00:50:27.619 --> 00:50:29.300
to be different. I was trying to stand out a

00:50:29.300 --> 00:50:31.900
little bit. I want to, but I can't. Because when

00:50:31.900 --> 00:50:35.219
I go, I just want to have a churro. And there's

00:50:35.219 --> 00:50:37.900
no other food there that I'm just like, I have

00:50:37.900 --> 00:50:40.940
to have a churro. Other things I love. There's

00:50:40.940 --> 00:50:43.159
plenty of things like that. Macarons, when they

00:50:43.159 --> 00:50:45.599
have them, unbelievable. Candied almonds are

00:50:45.599 --> 00:50:47.619
great. Corn dogs there are really delicious.

00:50:48.019 --> 00:50:50.179
You've got to get the jumbo turkey leg. Oh, yeah.

00:50:50.739 --> 00:50:52.559
But churro is what I was coming back to. Yeah,

00:50:52.579 --> 00:50:54.440
churro is amazing. One's just never enough either.

00:50:54.559 --> 00:50:57.380
It's dangerous. Whenever I go on, my wife's always

00:50:57.380 --> 00:50:58.679
like, well, you want to just get a couple and

00:50:58.679 --> 00:51:00.300
we'll all share. I'm like, nobody in this family

00:51:00.300 --> 00:51:02.639
wants to share. We're getting six. We're getting

00:51:02.639 --> 00:51:04.320
six. Everyone's going to have their own, and

00:51:04.320 --> 00:51:06.039
everyone's going to eat every bite of it. And

00:51:06.039 --> 00:51:07.820
if somebody doesn't, guess who's going to finish

00:51:07.820 --> 00:51:13.239
it? I am. Favorite musician? Favorite musician?

00:51:13.820 --> 00:51:26.650
Wow. I don't know. I feel like being in basketball,

00:51:26.829 --> 00:51:31.010
rap is kind of a big rap guy. Totally. So I think

00:51:31.010 --> 00:51:32.929
Eminem was one that I was just like, I don't

00:51:32.929 --> 00:51:35.309
know. I feel like he was in his prime when I

00:51:35.309 --> 00:51:37.150
was young. So I kind of always admired him. Whenever

00:51:37.150 --> 00:51:39.190
he drops a new album, I'm always like, I just

00:51:39.190 --> 00:51:42.570
love his whole journey. Anyway, his whole ride

00:51:42.570 --> 00:51:44.710
is so interesting. I like J. Cole quite a bit.

00:51:45.070 --> 00:51:48.050
He's kind of more... relatable, you know? I don't

00:51:48.050 --> 00:51:52.909
even know who he is. I'm going to go with Eminem.

00:51:52.949 --> 00:51:56.130
Yeah, go with Eminem. Eminem. All right, Slim

00:51:56.130 --> 00:51:59.309
Shady. Favorite book? Favorite book? I think

00:51:59.309 --> 00:52:01.090
the book that, one of the books that made the

00:52:01.090 --> 00:52:02.889
biggest impact on me was Stillness is the Key,

00:52:03.110 --> 00:52:05.670
Ryan Holiday, which hits a lot of the same principles

00:52:05.670 --> 00:52:08.110
of soul and kind of ties things together just

00:52:08.110 --> 00:52:11.570
about, yeah, just finding presence and living

00:52:11.570 --> 00:52:13.369
a meaningful life and it doesn't always come

00:52:13.369 --> 00:52:15.409
down to the big accomplishment. you know, how

00:52:15.409 --> 00:52:17.869
you define success. Yeah. Okay. Then the last,

00:52:17.869 --> 00:52:20.469
the last rapid fire, this might not be so rapid.

00:52:20.550 --> 00:52:22.769
We'll see. We'll see. What is your number one

00:52:22.769 --> 00:52:26.170
piece of marriage advice to people engaged to

00:52:26.170 --> 00:52:27.929
be married? What's the number one thing you would

00:52:27.929 --> 00:52:30.750
tell somebody who is engaged? I think my number

00:52:30.750 --> 00:52:35.090
one thing is get marriage checklist. Like honestly,

00:52:35.170 --> 00:52:37.340
get. get deep before you get married. I'm like,

00:52:37.480 --> 00:52:39.539
get deep. Talk about your communication. I was

00:52:39.539 --> 00:52:41.420
talking about finance. I want sexual intimacy.

00:52:41.480 --> 00:52:43.159
Talk about all these different areas of your

00:52:43.159 --> 00:52:44.440
life that are going to, that you're going to

00:52:44.440 --> 00:52:46.579
be like combining together. It's a big move that

00:52:46.579 --> 00:52:49.099
you're making. And so get on the same page and

00:52:49.099 --> 00:52:51.380
just have those conversations and see each other

00:52:51.380 --> 00:52:53.980
in those different lights. Work through that.

00:52:54.079 --> 00:52:56.400
Like I'd say like we had, we'd always, when we

00:52:56.400 --> 00:52:58.199
had our podcast, we had a whole checklist. There's

00:52:58.199 --> 00:53:00.489
like. you know, 50 to 60 questions and people

00:53:00.489 --> 00:53:01.769
are always hitting us up and we're sending it

00:53:01.769 --> 00:53:04.489
out to people. And I feel like that's one of

00:53:04.489 --> 00:53:06.409
the biggest things that will just help you just

00:53:06.409 --> 00:53:08.969
to have a good foundation, have some deep conversations

00:53:08.969 --> 00:53:13.010
and help you move on into a married life. Love

00:53:13.010 --> 00:53:16.530
it. Okay. So to wrap up two things I want to

00:53:16.530 --> 00:53:19.309
get from you, any kind of final thoughts about

00:53:19.309 --> 00:53:22.070
the topic or the movie and then move into your

00:53:22.070 --> 00:53:25.849
three actual takeaways. Yeah. Final thoughts.

00:53:27.519 --> 00:53:29.639
I took some notes. I thought you would. I could

00:53:29.639 --> 00:53:31.159
tell. I was like, he's got some more to say that

00:53:31.159 --> 00:53:32.860
I haven't asked him. And I definitely want to

00:53:32.860 --> 00:53:34.619
give a runway for that. Yeah. I don't know if

00:53:34.619 --> 00:53:41.139
I have any other big ones. I really, I guess

00:53:41.139 --> 00:53:44.599
I'll end with this. One of my favorite scriptures

00:53:44.599 --> 00:53:48.380
in the New Testament is the book of Luke, where

00:53:48.380 --> 00:53:51.400
Jesus says, fear not little flock. It is in your

00:53:51.400 --> 00:53:53.199
father's good pleasure to give you the kingdom.

00:53:53.739 --> 00:53:57.000
And I think that's such a beautiful. moment in

00:53:57.000 --> 00:53:59.380
the scriptures and just idea that it's like,

00:53:59.440 --> 00:54:02.800
I think too often we get worked up about things

00:54:02.800 --> 00:54:05.619
in our lives and we're so going about doing all

00:54:05.619 --> 00:54:07.280
these little things we feel like are so important.

00:54:07.380 --> 00:54:10.019
And, um, I just really, at the end of the day,

00:54:10.059 --> 00:54:13.619
like just going about just being your best, showing

00:54:13.619 --> 00:54:15.860
up every day, trying to be present, trying to

00:54:15.860 --> 00:54:17.360
serve others. I think that's one of my favorite

00:54:17.360 --> 00:54:18.519
takeaways and something that would really hit

00:54:18.519 --> 00:54:19.739
me. I just watched soul again yesterday to kind

00:54:19.739 --> 00:54:21.739
of prep for this, but, um, it was just like,

00:54:22.280 --> 00:54:23.840
you got to get out of your side of yourself and

00:54:23.840 --> 00:54:26.019
serve others and try to find ways to make impact

00:54:26.019 --> 00:54:27.519
in their people's lives. Cause it's so easy for

00:54:27.519 --> 00:54:29.059
us to become so selfish and just be thinking

00:54:29.059 --> 00:54:31.380
about ourselves all the time. Um, but getting

00:54:31.380 --> 00:54:33.019
outside of that and trying to serve someone else.

00:54:33.039 --> 00:54:35.260
And ideally your spouse, like that we're talking

00:54:35.260 --> 00:54:36.800
about, this is like, and that kind of, I guess,

00:54:36.840 --> 00:54:40.199
takes me into a takeaway is like finding a moment

00:54:40.199 --> 00:54:43.019
to serve someone close to you. Ideally your spouse,

00:54:43.099 --> 00:54:44.420
if you're married, if not, you know, a family

00:54:44.420 --> 00:54:47.059
member, whoever that goes outside of what you

00:54:47.059 --> 00:54:50.059
normally. do you know and and serve them and

00:54:50.059 --> 00:54:51.440
think about them and try to take someone off

00:54:51.440 --> 00:54:53.079
their plate i think that's a great lesson from

00:54:53.079 --> 00:54:55.039
seoul and just a great lesson uh for life you

00:54:55.039 --> 00:54:57.900
know for sure so first actual takeaway is obviously

00:54:57.900 --> 00:55:02.139
find something this week yeah to serve somebody

00:55:02.139 --> 00:55:05.260
else in a way that's outside what you would normally

00:55:05.260 --> 00:55:08.190
do yeah a great one yeah give me two more um

00:55:08.190 --> 00:55:10.309
number two you are you blue i don't know if your

00:55:10.309 --> 00:55:12.210
kids are old enough for bluey absolutely okay

00:55:12.210 --> 00:55:14.250
okay blue is amazing blue is amazing i love blue

00:55:14.250 --> 00:55:16.110
oh yeah it's incredible i've seen i my kids are

00:55:16.110 --> 00:55:17.489
right in the blue age i've seen like i've said

00:55:17.489 --> 00:55:21.369
like 10 times but uh i i think finding a moment

00:55:21.369 --> 00:55:25.820
to Find beauty and find stillness and I think

00:55:25.820 --> 00:55:28.679
I remember that episode we watched a day was

00:55:28.679 --> 00:55:31.480
When the dad bandit is having like his he's pretending

00:55:31.480 --> 00:55:33.360
to be alive for the very first time He likes

00:55:33.360 --> 00:55:36.360
he's a leaf and he's like this leaf is amazing

00:55:36.360 --> 00:55:38.719
like zooms in it's just this moment and so I

00:55:38.719 --> 00:55:41.159
feel like just inviting people to find that in

00:55:41.159 --> 00:55:43.670
your life whether it's the sunrise, the sunset,

00:55:43.909 --> 00:55:45.010
or it's the mountain. Like, we're surrounded.

00:55:45.150 --> 00:55:46.289
These mountains are incredible. You see these

00:55:46.289 --> 00:55:47.630
mountains in the morning? Like, it's amazing.

00:55:47.829 --> 00:55:50.170
Or even at sunset. Like, just find a moment and

00:55:50.170 --> 00:55:52.190
just, like, take it in and just appreciate. Or

00:55:52.190 --> 00:55:53.590
it's listening to a song or watching a movie.

00:55:53.650 --> 00:55:56.170
Like, that is incredible. And just appreciating

00:55:56.170 --> 00:55:57.809
that and letting that bring you into stillness,

00:55:57.809 --> 00:56:00.929
into the present moment. I'm going to call it

00:56:00.929 --> 00:56:04.750
find a moment of wonder this week. That's our

00:56:04.750 --> 00:56:06.489
number two. Love it. Okay. What's our number

00:56:06.489 --> 00:56:08.949
three? Number three, I wrote it down. Let me

00:56:08.949 --> 00:56:11.469
pull it up. Let me see what my third one was.

00:56:11.929 --> 00:56:13.670
Oh, I guess my third one is kind of the same

00:56:13.670 --> 00:56:18.190
idea, but just, like, not taking being so seriously.

00:56:18.590 --> 00:56:20.730
You know, like, zooming out a little bit and,

00:56:20.769 --> 00:56:22.789
like, even laughing. I remember something, like,

00:56:22.849 --> 00:56:25.949
when doing door -to -door sales. Like, whenever

00:56:25.949 --> 00:56:27.989
we'd get an objection, I would just have the

00:56:27.989 --> 00:56:29.469
biggest smile. Like, they're like, oh, yeah,

00:56:29.530 --> 00:56:31.210
I'm going to talk to my wife. Just, like, biggest

00:56:31.210 --> 00:56:35.010
smile. Like, just, like, rolling with the punches

00:56:35.010 --> 00:56:36.469
and just smiling and laughing through them. I

00:56:36.469 --> 00:56:38.489
think it's just, like, the best way to live,

00:56:38.650 --> 00:56:41.579
you know? So my third one is. I think that's

00:56:41.579 --> 00:56:44.400
a great one. So number three would be sometime

00:56:44.400 --> 00:56:46.480
this week when you face maybe something that's

00:56:46.480 --> 00:56:51.039
difficult or hard, try to take it on with a smile

00:56:51.039 --> 00:56:54.760
on your face. I like that. Because everybody's

00:56:54.760 --> 00:56:56.460
going to have something hard. Like every week

00:56:56.460 --> 00:56:58.159
we do. Even if it's something small that's hard,

00:56:58.239 --> 00:56:59.639
it's still something that's hard or it's a trial

00:56:59.639 --> 00:57:02.360
or it's an objection. But if we can encounter

00:57:02.360 --> 00:57:04.320
that moment and say, no, I got this, and that

00:57:04.320 --> 00:57:07.239
smile helps to remind us, like, I got this. This

00:57:07.239 --> 00:57:09.699
is not that big a deal. I can do this. It's going

00:57:09.699 --> 00:57:11.619
to be fine. I think that's a great one. Love

00:57:11.619 --> 00:57:15.800
it. Love it. Well, Nate Dogg, Nate the Great,

00:57:16.039 --> 00:57:20.179
Hoop, Hooper, Hoopster, Hoop Dogg? Hoop Daddy.

00:57:20.380 --> 00:57:22.300
Hoop Daddy. That was my favorite one, Hoop Daddy.

00:57:22.820 --> 00:57:25.199
It's been a pleasure visiting with you. Some

00:57:25.199 --> 00:57:27.460
great things we talked about for a wonderful

00:57:27.460 --> 00:57:29.860
movie, and I think there's some things that people

00:57:29.860 --> 00:57:31.780
can put into place this week. We find a little

00:57:31.780 --> 00:57:33.340
bit more joy this week. We find a little bit

00:57:33.340 --> 00:57:40.030
more spark. in the desire to find fulfillment,

00:57:40.309 --> 00:57:44.110
find success, find happiness in the moments we

00:57:44.110 --> 00:57:46.610
have today. Thanks, brother. Thanks, Ryan. Appreciate

00:57:46.610 --> 00:57:50.269
it. As you leave this conversation, remember

00:57:50.269 --> 00:57:53.250
that yes, the past can hurt and you can either

00:57:53.250 --> 00:57:56.610
run from it or you can learn from it. So here's

00:57:56.610 --> 00:58:00.210
to learning and finding joy in the journey. See

00:58:00.210 --> 00:58:00.710
you real soon.