Meet the Robinsons and Keep Moving Forward | Courtney Kern on Curiosity & Resilience

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and i was like this is it like i i'm gonna head

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down to florida use this as my my foot in the

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door and see where this takes me and i have been

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here with disney now almost 12 years uh since

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so very grateful for that journey and they're

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so excited that he failed they're like congratulations

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you failed you learned a way that didn't work

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rather than dwelling on how negative that feels

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here i just went through a crazy last eight months

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this quite literally ruined our life is like

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was my initial attitude we lived in a hotel for

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over 100 days it was like $45 ,000 in damages

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to the condo, but the path might not be the one

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you thought or you foresaw for yourself, but

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just kind of have faith that it'll lead you through,

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but also remain curious. You are still in control

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of your destiny one way or the other. It's that

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curiosity that'll lead you down those paths.

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growth, and imagination of tomorrow. All right,

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welcome to another episode of ESN Land. Today,

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we are very excited for our guest today. In 2007,

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Walt Disney released... Meet the Robinsons, which

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was just a lovely movie about keep moving forward.

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And our guest today has not only knows that line,

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but also lives it. She, in fact, is an employee

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of the Walt Disney Company. She works for Disney

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Cruise Lines as an analyst, which is pretty cool.

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And I will say before we dive in. We do need

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to note that everything you hear from her today

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reflects her personal views and not those of

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the Walt Disney Company. That way you know she's

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legit. You know she actually works for Walt Disney

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Company. We have to say that. Yes, thank you.

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I appreciate you including that. So very excited

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today as well because Courtney. went on a seven

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-year journey of doing a podcast, which I think

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is just so lovely and a wonderful podcast she

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did, what I believe was with a good friend. Now,

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I don't know if she was a good friend when you

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started, but certainly y 'all became good friends

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over seven years of podcasting 120 episodes.

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Yes, one of my best friends. We met in college

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as teaching assistants for the same professor.

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You know, learned we had a shared love of Disney.

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Both of us did the Disney College program, and

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it was a few years after that that we met. We

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had gotten into podcasting, thought about what

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we want to do. And that is how our podcast Book

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of the Mouse Club was born. A little play on

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the idea of Book of the Month Club, where we

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would select a Disney inspired read, whether

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it was something like Bob Weiss's Dream Chasing

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or a book that inspired a film. We did not do

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the one that inspired Meet the Robinsons, but

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things like Mary Poppins, Winnie the Pooh, over

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100 episodes throughout. that journey. We did

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bring that to a close last year, but the episodes

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exist as an archive on YouTube if anyone's interested.

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But yeah, that was a wonderful journey and a

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way to stay in touch with a friend long distance.

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For sure. And, you know, what's interesting that

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you mentioned that is I didn't realize or remember

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that Meet the Robinsons was based on a book.

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I realized that when I was watching the movie

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with my kids yesterday. Right, the opening credits.

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And I'm like, wait a second, this was a book?

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Yeah, I still haven't read it. I'm ashamed of

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it. I know. Well, it sounds like we got our homework

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assignment, right? We know what we need to do.

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Which, as I'm watching it, really starts to make

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sense, though, because it does have, there's

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a very clever. reveal at the end that you get

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the easter eggs of throughout but you don't realize

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the first time i watched i had no idea right

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and then suddenly like oh my goodness that totally

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came together so to me it's like really really

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compelling stories like that that are very clever

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makes sense they come from a book right um and

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that one did which is it's kind of awesome so

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much of the disney pantheon i feel like is inspired

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by literature even the ones you don't expect

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totally there are so many that's why i you know

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when i first came across uh courtney's podcast

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I was like oh there are there a lot of books

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and I started realizing like There actually are

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a lot of books, both based for the stories that

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they do, but then also just so many books about

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Disney, about Walt Disney, about things related

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to Walt Disney, some amazing leaders. There's

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great leadership books out there that relate

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to Walt Disney. So, I mean, you know all those

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things better than I do. Probably an interesting

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journey to kind of take through. Maybe things

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you wouldn't have read otherwise. Yeah, some

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surprises thrown in there for sure. What one

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sticks out for you? What's a book that you read

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that you just, maybe you never would have read

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otherwise, but was a real gem? gem that you found?

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I think getting more into the classic literature,

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things like Treasure Island or 20 ,000 Leagues

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Under the Sea. In 2020, during COVID, we did

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like a themed summer. I think we called it the

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Summer Cinema Series and picked books, Pollyanna

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as well, that inspired live action Disney films.

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And that's where we first brought in guest readers.

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So friends from other podcasts joined us to be

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another voice in the conversation. I'm like,

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I don't... know that those were books i would

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have chosen to read otherwise but i was like

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oh now i now i can say i've read them for sure

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And, you know, one of the reasons why I came

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across the work that you had done in your podcast

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was because I heard you on another podcast. Yes,

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Podcast Universe. Yeah, right. And you were talking

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about Dream Chasing, which is the book by Bob

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Weiss. And we were blessed enough to have him

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on and really just enjoyed the things that y

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'all had to say and the way you kind of took

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readers through a journey of what was in that

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book, but insights as well, bringing something

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more to the table than simply, you know, rehearsing

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what was in the book. And it was really... A

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nice way for me, actually, and I told you this

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before, a nice way for me to prep, actually,

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before I actually interviewed Bob. And so I used

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your materials to help prepare me for talking

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to somebody who's a Disney legend, right? Yeah,

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that was very kind of our friend Brett over at

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Notably Disney. We would often have him on our

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show as a guest reader or appear with him. So

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really fun, fun journey. And I think that's the

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wonderful thing about this Disney podcasting

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community. Even if I finished my podcast, here

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you are inviting me to be part of yours. So I'm

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so grateful for this opportunity. Thank you.

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It is one of the nice things, you know, when

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you find community. I've talked a lot lately

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with my team here at my company, but also. Just

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talking with a variety of other people about

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that real need for a sense of belonging in a

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world that's becoming increasingly disconnected

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from human interaction because they're so tied

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to technology, tied to their phones. I think

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there's this real need for people to have belonging

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with a community. And honestly, as I started

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this podcast, as I started diving deeper into

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what I already have loved about Disney, but starting

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to see this, I'm seeing this whole community

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that exists there. And you've probably felt that.

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Oh, we felt that for sure in 2020. So we started

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the podcast in 2018 with the goal of doing at

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least one episode a month, which we kept all

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through those seven and a half years. But in

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2020, that's why there's over there's like 120

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episodes, because I think we were doing one like

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every every two weeks because everybody was just

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home and we needed that sense of community and

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quite a few authors we got connected with. He's

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now passed on Jim Korkis, a wealth of knowledge

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on Disney was like. oh, you can talk to DDA again

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and you can talk to Jeff Kurdi and just gave

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out their emails and everybody was home. So they

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were they were happy to chat with us. So I was

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like, well, we're really we're really churning

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through them in that that time frame. Yeah. One

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of those one of those blessings in disguise.

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Right. Yeah. And, you know, it actually fits

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really well. with our topic today, right, of

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moving forward. Certainly, I mean, that's the

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theme of Meet the Robinsons. Yeah. And I also

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think, speaking of COVID, it was certainly a

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thing during COVID. that people, you know, if

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they could keep that in mind was a very helpful

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thing because it was really challenging, right?

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For everybody in many different ways and the

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ways that people had to encounter and challenge

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it. And for you guys in your podcast, it was

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sounding like it was just like, hey, keep moving

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forward. We're going to do even more content.

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We're going to do even more stuff. We're going

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to talk to more people, which is amazing. It's

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so applicable in so many ways. Yeah. One of the

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things that I like to do is kind of set the stage

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for the movie that we talk about. And so Meet

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the Robinsons is certainly a terrific Disney

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movie. I do think that may be a little bit underappreciated

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from some folks. Disney lovers and purists certainly

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enjoy it and watch it, but maybe didn't get all

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the fanfare otherwise. And so if there's anybody

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out there who hasn't seen it. Courtney, would

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you set the stage for us on kind of what is the

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overarching story going on in Meet the Robinsons?

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Of course. So Meet the Robinsons was released

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in 2007 by Walt Disney Animation Studios. Interestingly,

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it's one of their computer -generated animated

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films that was on the early end for them but

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not affiliated with Pixar. So you have stuff

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like Chicken Little and things that deviated

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from Pixar but moved away from that hand -drawn

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animation. And in this one, we are focused on

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12 -year -old Louis. an orphan who is interested

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in inventing and has these dreams both of being

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adopted, going through that process, finding

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his own family after his mother had given him

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up. That was pivotal for him, but also becomes

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so engrossed in creating an invention that will

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allow him to see back into that time period.

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At the science fair, he meets Wilbur Robinson,

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a 13 -year -old from the future who kind of kidnaps

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him and is revealed you're at the center of this

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plot there's two missing time sheets a creepy

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bowler hat guy running around uh causing a lot

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of trouble and when lewis goes about at least

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30 years into the future that's where he meets

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the robinsons a quirky fun family that helps

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him feel like he's starting to to belong somewhere

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and it's that family's motto and the patriarch

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of the family's big model keep moving forward

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that is at the heart of that story wilbur takes

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him 30 years into the future where he quite literally

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meets the Robinsons, a quirky, large family filled

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with zany, fun action and habits. And it's the

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patriarch of that family whose motto is keep

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moving forward, which is at the heart of it.

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And it's with this family that Lewis starts to

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feel a sense of belonging. But there is more

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to come. I don't want to spoil some of the reveals.

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So I encourage anyone who hasn't watched it to

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go ahead and give it a watch on Disney Plus or

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wherever you may be able to find it. Well, so

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here's what I have to say, Courtney. It sounds

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like I need to have you do like every recap of

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the movie. My goodness, that was absolutely perfect

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because it does really give that idea of what's

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going on here. And it's a really, it's a good

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show because of so many reasons. But we're going

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to dive into some of that stuff. We're going

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to dive into a little bit of the journey of Lewis

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and what he's experiencing in Goob. uh you know

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what happens for goob we we may have to we may

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have to do some reveals though i'll say i think

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so so for everybody out there like spoiler alert

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okay if you have pause yes go watch it exactly

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Welcome back. It's only like an hour and a half,

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right? Yeah. It's only like an hour and a half.

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And you can totally watch it. It's a quick watch.

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It's fun. It'll keep you laughing and enjoying

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during that hour and a half time. And then you

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can pop back on here. All right. Now we're in

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spoiler territory. That's right. Because, boy,

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Goob. I would not have guessed that Goob ended

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up happening. What happened to Goob? Nor was

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Lewis and Cornelius. Yes. Okay. Let me roll back

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real quick here because some of the things that

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I want to find out from you a little bit are,

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you know, for you in your life, this idea of

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kind of keep moving forward and how you've seen

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it. So we've mentioned that you're working for

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the Walt Disney Company, the Disney Cruise Lines.

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So walk me through, like, actually you also mentioned

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having done the college program. I want to hear

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a little bit about the college program and kind

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of what the lessons were that you learned from

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doing the college program. And then we kind of

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can start fast forwarding through your professional

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career. Sure. I can back it up a little further.

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I went to the University of Maryland College

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Park where I majored in English. So totally made

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sense that I had a podcast about Disney. For

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sure. Yeah. Long time Disney fan. My family,

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you know, I recognize the privilege of this.

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We're members of the Disney Vacation Club. We

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were from Baltimore, Maryland. So very easy to

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get down to Florida. Quick little Southwest.

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flight, got to visit annually. And I just really

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loved the theme parks, Disney history, like in

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sixth grade, you got to do a research project

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of your choice. And I chose Walt Disney and really

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got to learn more about the man behind the name

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behind the company. And so people would ask,

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what do you want to do with your degree in English?

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And I'd say, well, you know, I'd love to work

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for Disney. I don't quite know what that might

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look like. But, you know, that's the end goal.

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And I was thinking maybe that's like 10 years

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down the line in my professional uh career i

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was fortunate to be right near washington dc

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and do quite a few internships throughout my

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studies and so when it came time to graduate

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i felt prepared to enter the workforce but i

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found the loophole that you can do the disney

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college program after you graduate as long as

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you apply uh the semester ahead of your graduation

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you can uh show up at disney the following semester

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yes so oh my goodness i'm just gonna totally

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reveal my age here but i was graduating in May

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of 2014 and so I applied for the fall 2014 Disney

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college program and I was like this is it like

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I I'm gonna head down to Florida use this as

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my my foot in the door and see where this takes

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me you know I have the the rest of my life to

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do a career thing let's let's go do something

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fun and so I got to work at the iconic Space

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Mountain attraction in Magic Kingdom. Oh, amazing.

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Most importantly, it was air conditioned because

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I did start in August of 2014. And I have been

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here with Disney now almost 12 years since. So

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very grateful for that journey. Started at Space

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Mountain. Disney also offers professional internships.

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So while the college program is more what you

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think of when you see people working within the

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theme parks, whether that be food and beverage,

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attractions like me, really any type of role

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that is guest -facing. The professional internships

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are more what you think of like a traditional

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office -based internship. So that is how I ended

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up in Walt Disney Public Affairs. Spent some

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time there and then had a complete career pivot

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to analytics. Really grateful for that. Was not

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where I expected when I said that's what I want

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to do with my degree in English. But I've found

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a passion for storytelling behind the numbers

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and instilling that meaning for it. I was going

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to ask you the connection there. I was going

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to ask you how that bridged the gap, right? How

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do we get from English to numbers? They needed

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someone to put meaning behind those numbers.

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And here I am. I think having my background uniquely

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helps me with other partners who might not also

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have that richer. science, statistics background.

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I'm like, if I can make it to make sense for

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me, I make it make sense for them. So those are

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really long -winded answer. And I did not even

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tell you what I learned from my college program.

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No, you're good. Let's go back to it. So you're

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in the program and they, I'm assuming that they

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put you through some kind of like initial training

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right out the gate. I would imagine it's probably

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like. pretty intensive where you're going to

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go through some kind of training before you ever

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get out in the park. Of course. I'm not sure

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how familiar you are with it. If you haven't

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read, shoot, I'm going to, do you mind if I Google

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it real quick? Yeah, yeah, for sure. To get the

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title. And one of the things that you said was

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interesting too is when you're putting story

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to numbers. I remember like in school, I enjoyed

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math up until I had calculus and it was horrible.

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But then once I had calculus, I was like, well,

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maybe I don't really like math that much. I don't

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like that. I feel that. And I was a business

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major. And then I took business statistics. And

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then that's where it connected for me. It did.

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Because now it's a story behind the numbers.

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It's explaining things that are happening in

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a business with the numbers. And suddenly the

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numbers are storytelling. So I found the book

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that I would recommend. And it's Walt's Apprentice,

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Keeping the Disney Dream Alive by... the late

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dick newness and he actually created disney's

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traditions program are you familiar with that

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at all i'm not okay so that is the training that

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everyone at the company uh goes through on their

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their first day really instills the five keys

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um behind disney's principles so that's that's

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well documented i feel like that's okay for me

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to share yeah and so yeah every that's where

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you get your name tag in a very magical moment

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where mickey mouse comes in and brings the box

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of name tags. And it's really about instilling

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the idea that we create happiness at Disney.

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And so, yes, anyone from the highest level of

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the C -suite to the college program girl working

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Space Mountain goes through traditions. And then,

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of course, you learn more about I was an attraction,

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so different safety related things to that. And

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then, of course, you are trained on your attraction.

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I would assume something like merchandise would

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go through, like cash handling, different things

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unique to their role. to start at the top of

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the funnel and whittle your way down to what

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is specific to your unique role creating happiness

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at disney why do you feel like that is such a

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vital part of what they do that they make everybody

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go through that traditions program You know,

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I think it really instills just, again, that

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idea of we create happiness, that everyone contributes

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to that. I might not be in the parks anymore

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with the guests, you know, making magic directly

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with them, but I still play a part in that backstage

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now as an analyst, like making sure the website

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is functional and telling the stories to, you

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know, show here's maybe what recommendations

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I would make for optimizing the website to make

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that journey easier for the guests. I think it

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just shows that everybody has a part to play

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within the show. I love all the language that

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Disney uses around, like, cast member, costume,

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show, onstage, backstage. Yeah, for sure. I heard

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somebody talking not too long ago, and they were

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talking about the importance of each person understanding

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that and then started referencing, like, when

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somebody first shows up to, and I know Disneyland

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better, but first shows up to Disneyland, the

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first people are actually going to encounter

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security. You got to go through security first.

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And I have definitely noticed because I've been

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to Disneyland so many times, like even going

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through security, you can tell it's people who

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care. Like there's a passion there. There's something

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behind it. They're not just like a TSA agent

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checking things. They are always so great about

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saying something to my kids, making them feel

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excited to be there because because your experience

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starts there. And if that's lacking. in that

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experience that's trying to be created. It is.

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It's exactly right. It sets the stage. And so

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I love that at Disney, it appears to me that

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every step along the way really needs to be part

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of the overall. And so everybody really does

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contribute. It's not one of those things where

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you're like, well, we want you to feel like you

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contribute, but you actually don't. No, people

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actually do matter. Everybody across the board

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matters because of what's trying to be created.

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Your kind of career journey and career path.

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Certainly not everything has been. roses and

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butterflies. Certainly, I would imagine along

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the path, there's been things that have been

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difficult that you had to overcome. What has

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that been like for you and kind of your professional

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career and your professional journey? When have

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you encountered something that was pretty tough?

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Maybe considered a failure? A big thing for me

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was just coming into this career 180. I did listen

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to your Beauty and the Beast episode and the

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guest there talking about imposter syndrome.

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And that absolutely resonated with me. In applying

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for the role, I was now a senior analyst, but

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came in at an associate analyst level. The job

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description literally said degree required statistics.

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And remember, my degree is in English. But in

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reading through the description of like ability

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to instill meaning and effectively summarize

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things which you saw with me but since uh make

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rocket recommendations i'm like i can do these

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things so i applied um i often say you know It

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helps to have someone get you through the door,

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but you still need to show yourself once you're

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in the room. So I did have somebody who knew

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someone in the department that through networking,

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you know, put my resume on someone's desk to

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say, hey, I think you should talk to her. I still,

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of course, had to go through that interview process

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and show my worth and that English major side

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of things. But I did have a bit of imposter syndrome

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at the beginning. Like, oh, my gosh, they made

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me take a math test. in the interview because

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i think they were just like we got to make sure

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she can do math in front of us um and i'm like

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okay i had to remind myself like you you did

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it you made it uh you know like you you're here

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for a reason um you got to keep moving forward

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to to go through our thing here but it that was

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tough and i think sometimes i still feel imposter

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syndrome and then i remember i'm one of the more

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senior senior analysts like i've been in this

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department for for over eight years and i'm like

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oh it's like that meme that's like i wanna i

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i need an adult and then you're like oh wait

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i am the adult like other analysts are asking

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for advice i'm like oh i'm i've been here a pretty

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long time like i guess i'm the one to to answer

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that so I think imposter syndrome is something

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that a lot of people people face and that's definitely

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been a challenge and entering a field that maybe

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I wasn't necessarily felt that I was initially

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qualified for but have certainly proved that

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I am so I just gotta remember that yeah absolutely

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you do and and you know also during your during

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your journey of doing your podcast for seven

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years was there ever a time where you weren't

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sure you guys were gonna keep doing it or you

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ran into some roadblocks and things that were

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difficult and then you found a way to push through

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Yeah, I think, you know, we I'm really proud

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that we stuck to our mission of doing one each

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month. But I think sometimes in your journey,

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you have to think about when is it time to end?

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And for me, as I shared, I recently ended that

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last November. That was the end of it. But we

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had a plan in place. It was kind of you start

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doing the work. And if you're not feeling as

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fulfilled by it, I loved it. I think it shows

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in each episode. But it was a lot of preparation.

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We read our books. We did our homework every

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single month. We weren't just popping on to talk

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about the latest in Disney news or things like

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that. It just became a lot to balance with other

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things going on in each of our lives. And so

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we broached the subject. And that wasn't an easy

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decision to make. But it's something that...

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I brought to my podcast partner. I think she

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was maybe a little surprised by it, but accepted

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that. So that's an important navigating relationship

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piece there. But I gave her the options and said,

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look, we have the next three episodes planned

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out. I think we were up to August at that point.

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And we could end it with this summer series.

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We always did a themed summer series. This was

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celebrating Disneyland's 70th and some books

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that were tied to that. I was like, or we can

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end it towards the end of the year. i've i'm

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making this decision that i want to pull back

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but how can i help you feel like you also have

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closure to this and she said there were still

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some topics she wanted to cover um so we we kept

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that plan in place and then it was it was time

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to come to an end so yeah that can be bittersweet

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and tough but i think for me it was important

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to give our listeners closure because there's

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podcasts that i've listened to and loved and

00:24:06.279 --> 00:24:08.059
then all of a sudden they just stop and you're

00:24:08.059 --> 00:24:15.900
like are they alive? Are they okay? So is it

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behind a paywall now? Like, I just wanted to

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make clear to our wonderful listener community,

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like, Hey, you know, we had just a final episode

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that was like, you know, kind of like, thanks

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so much. Here's where you can still keep in touch

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with us. Like a little, a nice little send off

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for them. So going back then to meet the Robinsons,

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you know, one of the things that we see in there

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is, some of the characters especially experiencing

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some failures yeah and and so for for you what

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what take us kind of through what lewis is kind

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of experiencing with he's an inventor he's trying

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to invent things and he's kind of suffering from

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some of these failures I think a moment that

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really stands out to me is when he's at dinner

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with the Robinsons and he's trying to fix something

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and he does fail and they're so excited that

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he failed. They're like, congratulations, you

00:25:07.079 --> 00:25:10.339
failed. You learned a way that didn't work. Rather

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than dwelling on how negative that feels, they

00:25:14.140 --> 00:25:17.019
turned it into a positive. Like, okay, you know,

00:25:17.019 --> 00:25:19.680
check off. That one didn't work. but keep moving

00:25:19.680 --> 00:25:23.220
forward on to the next one. And so we see throughout

00:25:23.220 --> 00:25:28.000
a lot of Lewis's sketches and pieces there that

00:25:28.000 --> 00:25:31.319
led him on a journey of inventing and growing

00:25:31.319 --> 00:25:34.019
in that space. Yeah, that was a real turning

00:25:34.019 --> 00:25:36.220
point, right? I mean, up to that point in time,

00:25:36.779 --> 00:25:38.960
you know, initially he's trying to create the

00:25:38.960 --> 00:25:43.940
device that can kind of read your memories, right?

00:25:44.299 --> 00:25:47.940
And because it was sabotaged by the bowler hat.

00:25:48.819 --> 00:25:50.839
then it suddenly doesn't work. And he thinks

00:25:50.839 --> 00:25:52.700
things just can't work. And he's getting really

00:25:52.700 --> 00:25:54.920
frustrated with it. All his things seem to mess

00:25:54.920 --> 00:25:57.900
up. And I wrote down one of the quotes from that

00:25:57.900 --> 00:25:59.900
very scene that you mentioned. So I love that

00:25:59.900 --> 00:26:03.259
you took us there. And once that happens, and

00:26:03.259 --> 00:26:06.440
it's this, you know, peanut butter and jelly

00:26:06.440 --> 00:26:08.339
machine, right? To put peanut butter and jelly

00:26:08.339 --> 00:26:12.619
on your sandwich. And they're celebrating it,

00:26:12.640 --> 00:26:14.900
just like you said. And Franny says, I propose

00:26:14.900 --> 00:26:17.880
a toast to Louis. And his brilliant failure,

00:26:18.079 --> 00:26:21.319
may it lead to success in the future. Yes. And

00:26:21.319 --> 00:26:23.980
so what do you think is the importance of, maybe

00:26:23.980 --> 00:26:26.539
let's take it from the angle of somebody else

00:26:26.539 --> 00:26:31.059
helping to reframe it for you, right? Reframing

00:26:31.059 --> 00:26:33.220
what a failure is and what's the role in like

00:26:33.220 --> 00:26:35.579
maybe sometimes leaning on other people to help

00:26:35.579 --> 00:26:37.039
you kind of shake yourself out of something.

00:26:37.500 --> 00:26:39.319
Yeah, I love that you mentioned somebody else

00:26:39.319 --> 00:26:43.339
reframing it for you. Sometimes we're so internalized

00:26:43.339 --> 00:26:46.559
in ourselves and our own thoughts that we don't

00:26:46.559 --> 00:26:48.779
look outward. I think another thing that pairs

00:26:48.779 --> 00:26:52.000
really well with that is the great shot of Goob.

00:26:52.119 --> 00:26:54.970
And he's like... walking through the hallway

00:26:54.970 --> 00:26:57.369
and the kids are like hey goop i like your binder

00:26:57.369 --> 00:26:59.630
goop and then he's like they all hated me and

00:26:59.630 --> 00:27:01.849
that's his internal perception and he didn't

00:27:01.849 --> 00:27:05.569
have anyone to step in and and reframe that for

00:27:05.569 --> 00:27:07.450
him so that's why i always feel like if you're

00:27:07.450 --> 00:27:10.250
going through something it's so important to

00:27:10.250 --> 00:27:12.349
to talk to someone about it whether it's your

00:27:12.349 --> 00:27:15.289
partner a parent a loved one a friend just having

00:27:15.289 --> 00:27:18.950
that sounding board and someone to come in and

00:27:18.950 --> 00:27:21.349
give you another perspective on it can be vital

00:27:23.059 --> 00:27:25.759
Before we jump back in, can I ask you a quick

00:27:25.759 --> 00:27:28.339
favor? If you're enjoying the journey so far,

00:27:28.559 --> 00:27:31.640
will you like, rate, and subscribe to our show?

00:27:32.059 --> 00:27:35.339
It helps us reach more people like you. We can

00:27:35.339 --> 00:27:37.980
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00:27:37.980 --> 00:27:41.119
place in the world, but it takes people to make

00:27:41.119 --> 00:27:46.180
the dream a reality. I'm glad you pointed out

00:27:46.180 --> 00:27:48.859
that. That scene as well, because I think there's

00:27:48.859 --> 00:27:51.839
something additional that we can learn from Goob

00:27:51.839 --> 00:27:53.940
walking down that aisle. He had such tunnel vision

00:27:53.940 --> 00:27:57.740
of negativity from wallowing in the failure he

00:27:57.740 --> 00:28:01.059
had, right? So he has this failure of he's playing

00:28:01.059 --> 00:28:04.420
baseball. Yeah, I think it's a championship game.

00:28:04.539 --> 00:28:06.960
Yeah, he misses the winning catch because he

00:28:06.960 --> 00:28:09.660
fell asleep. Because his roommate, Louis, has

00:28:09.660 --> 00:28:12.279
been keeping him up late at night. Exactly. And

00:28:12.279 --> 00:28:16.039
so then he gets mad at Louis and he wallows what

00:28:16.039 --> 00:28:18.400
appears to be for decades, right? Three decades

00:28:18.400 --> 00:28:21.420
that he's wallowing. But when he's still in this

00:28:21.420 --> 00:28:24.059
wallowing phase of like super sad about it, he's

00:28:24.059 --> 00:28:28.119
such tunnel vision. with wallowing in this failure

00:28:28.119 --> 00:28:30.059
that he can't even see the people who are actually

00:28:30.059 --> 00:28:31.759
trying to reach out. There's kids in the hallway

00:28:31.759 --> 00:28:34.799
who are trying to say hello, and he can't see

00:28:34.799 --> 00:28:37.339
it. And I think sometimes we do get in our own

00:28:37.339 --> 00:28:40.579
way. If we could reframe, we'd actually realize,

00:28:40.759 --> 00:28:42.500
hey, there's actually people around me who actually

00:28:42.500 --> 00:28:45.200
do want to help. Maybe there's people who actually

00:28:45.200 --> 00:28:48.039
would want to be positive, but if I can't shake

00:28:48.039 --> 00:28:51.049
myself out, then I miss. those opportunities.

00:28:51.190 --> 00:28:53.230
I miss those connections. And sometimes we have

00:28:53.230 --> 00:28:56.109
to reframe for ourselves. One of my biggest pieces

00:28:56.109 --> 00:28:59.950
of advice to some of my colleagues is you're

00:28:59.950 --> 00:29:02.009
stuck on an analysis. You're getting tunnel vision

00:29:02.009 --> 00:29:05.099
in the work that you're doing. Close the laptop

00:29:05.099 --> 00:29:08.000
and go for a walk. Come back to something with

00:29:08.000 --> 00:29:11.599
fresh eyes, a renewed perspective. And it does

00:29:11.599 --> 00:29:14.180
wonders. I am a big proponent of getting away

00:29:14.180 --> 00:29:16.420
from my desk for lunchtime. I like to go to the

00:29:16.420 --> 00:29:20.680
break room and read. Don't be chained to your

00:29:20.680 --> 00:29:24.200
desk. You need those mental breaks to come back

00:29:24.200 --> 00:29:26.960
and work more efficiently later. Yeah, that's

00:29:26.960 --> 00:29:30.420
exactly right. I tell our employees here, I tell

00:29:30.420 --> 00:29:32.769
other people as well that... you know, the idea

00:29:32.769 --> 00:29:35.609
of taking breaks, the idea of taking a lunch

00:29:35.609 --> 00:29:39.049
is because it really does break things up and

00:29:39.049 --> 00:29:42.769
it can help us to get outside of ourselves and

00:29:42.769 --> 00:29:45.329
then jump back in with those new eyes. And I

00:29:45.329 --> 00:29:48.380
think... you know sometimes what people need

00:29:48.380 --> 00:29:50.359
to do is like give themselves that grace like

00:29:50.359 --> 00:29:53.000
it is okay to go take that break like it's normal

00:29:53.000 --> 00:29:55.319
you sometimes need it you've got to do it you've

00:29:55.319 --> 00:29:57.579
got to you got to acknowledge that that's okay

00:29:57.579 --> 00:30:00.180
i'm not being lazy i actually need this my brain

00:30:00.180 --> 00:30:03.279
needs this so that i can come back better and

00:30:03.279 --> 00:30:06.630
look at things differently And boy, Goop sure

00:30:06.630 --> 00:30:08.349
could have used that and unfortunately didn't

00:30:08.349 --> 00:30:11.450
get it when he was younger. Had to wait to 30

00:30:11.450 --> 00:30:14.809
years in the future to get it after he got manipulated

00:30:14.809 --> 00:30:17.589
by the actual bowler hat, which was interesting.

00:30:18.390 --> 00:30:22.029
Let me ask you about this quote. There's some

00:30:22.029 --> 00:30:25.069
quotes I have from some just people out there,

00:30:25.109 --> 00:30:28.250
thought leaders, other authors. And this is one

00:30:28.250 --> 00:30:30.690
from Brene Brown. She says, vulnerability is

00:30:30.690 --> 00:30:32.859
not winning or losing. It's having the courage

00:30:32.859 --> 00:30:36.359
to show up and be seen when we have no control

00:30:36.359 --> 00:30:40.339
over the outcome. So for you, how does that play

00:30:40.339 --> 00:30:43.940
into this idea of, you know, what the Robinsons

00:30:43.940 --> 00:30:46.019
really embrace, which is keep moving forward,

00:30:46.119 --> 00:30:47.980
right? When we have failures, keep moving forward.

00:30:48.259 --> 00:30:51.799
Yeah, I feel like the entire family shows up

00:30:51.799 --> 00:30:55.259
for each other. I love just the montage of, I

00:30:55.259 --> 00:31:00.789
believe, is it? Bud is kind of the older patriarch

00:31:00.789 --> 00:31:04.670
of the family, taking Louis through all the different

00:31:04.670 --> 00:31:08.049
rooms. And that's how we meet the Robinsons ourselves.

00:31:08.309 --> 00:31:12.240
And seeing just how... they're not afraid to

00:31:12.240 --> 00:31:14.799
to be vulnerable to be chaotic uh you know they're

00:31:14.799 --> 00:31:18.680
driving a train racing through it playing little

00:31:18.680 --> 00:31:22.279
games inside the the potted plants so embracing

00:31:22.279 --> 00:31:25.720
the weird like stay weird embrace that uh there

00:31:25.720 --> 00:31:27.339
is a vulnerability to you know kind of showing

00:31:27.339 --> 00:31:29.619
your passions and your interests sometimes but

00:31:29.619 --> 00:31:31.680
that's a family that that truly embraces that

00:31:31.680 --> 00:31:34.940
and that sometimes is really hard for people

00:31:34.940 --> 00:31:38.130
to do right that Like, people kind of get in

00:31:38.130 --> 00:31:40.970
their own heads. We get insecure about things

00:31:40.970 --> 00:31:43.250
that maybe we have that are a little bit different

00:31:43.250 --> 00:31:46.750
and unique and weird. I mean, it was interesting

00:31:46.750 --> 00:31:49.990
when I was trying to figure out what I wanted

00:31:49.990 --> 00:31:52.890
to do for a podcast. Because I knew that I wanted

00:31:52.890 --> 00:31:54.470
to do one. I just felt like it was something

00:31:54.470 --> 00:31:58.529
that I was almost called to do. But the thought

00:31:58.529 --> 00:32:00.589
of doing a Disney one was like, well, but I kind

00:32:00.589 --> 00:32:02.910
of hide the fact that I love Disney, right? Like,

00:32:02.910 --> 00:32:05.670
I totally love it. I'll sing Disney songs in

00:32:05.670 --> 00:32:07.450
the car with my kids all the time. We play Name

00:32:07.450 --> 00:32:09.789
That Tune. We embrace it. We love it. We go to

00:32:09.789 --> 00:32:11.589
Disneyland all the time. But like in my professional

00:32:11.589 --> 00:32:14.150
career, like, oh, I certainly couldn't be some

00:32:14.150 --> 00:32:17.049
huge Disney fan. And I kind of had to get out

00:32:17.049 --> 00:32:18.650
of my own head and realize like, no, this is

00:32:18.650 --> 00:32:20.650
actually something that like, hey, I might be

00:32:20.650 --> 00:32:22.210
a little bit different or unique or weird. And

00:32:22.210 --> 00:32:23.910
that's okay. I'm going to embrace it. And then

00:32:23.910 --> 00:32:25.490
you're going to make connections with other people

00:32:25.490 --> 00:32:28.430
who love it. That's exactly right. And those

00:32:28.430 --> 00:32:31.150
connections can be really meaningful. You know,

00:32:31.150 --> 00:32:33.230
and somebody who appreciates the fact that that's

00:32:33.230 --> 00:32:34.710
the case, that I can be a little bit different

00:32:34.710 --> 00:32:35.890
and a little bit unique, a little bit weird.

00:32:36.089 --> 00:32:38.829
I had a connection just like that. I went to

00:32:38.829 --> 00:32:41.269
a rather large high school in Baltimore. Like

00:32:41.269 --> 00:32:44.670
my graduating class was like 575 people. And

00:32:44.670 --> 00:32:46.289
so when I went to the University of Maryland,

00:32:46.390 --> 00:32:50.329
it was about an hour away from home. And my now

00:32:50.329 --> 00:32:52.769
best friend, Betsy, not the one that I did the

00:32:52.769 --> 00:32:54.529
podcast with. That was Emily. They're both wonderful

00:32:54.529 --> 00:32:56.410
people. They were both my bridesmaids when I

00:32:56.410 --> 00:32:58.890
got married a few years ago. Betsy and I went

00:32:58.890 --> 00:33:00.599
to the same high school, but we. joke that we

00:33:00.599 --> 00:33:03.720
weren't friends, not because of any animosity,

00:33:03.859 --> 00:33:05.500
but because we were just in different classes.

00:33:05.579 --> 00:33:07.460
Like I might've been in the accelerated English

00:33:07.460 --> 00:33:09.440
classes and she was an accelerated math. So we

00:33:09.440 --> 00:33:11.799
knew of each other, maybe swap numbers. Cause

00:33:11.799 --> 00:33:13.720
we knew we were going to university of Maryland.

00:33:13.900 --> 00:33:15.779
Um, and so I remember that first weekend, one

00:33:15.779 --> 00:33:18.500
of us texted the other, like, Hey, do you want

00:33:18.500 --> 00:33:20.240
to get lunch? Like, I don't really know anyone.

00:33:21.920 --> 00:33:24.900
And so we did that. And just the natural conversation

00:33:24.900 --> 00:33:27.579
of, oh, well, what did you do this summer comes

00:33:27.579 --> 00:33:29.259
up. And I said, oh, I went to Walt Disney World.

00:33:29.619 --> 00:33:31.460
And she said, oh, I did that too. And I was like,

00:33:31.500 --> 00:33:35.160
oh, well, my family has like this. uh timeshare

00:33:35.160 --> 00:33:36.680
type thing she's like oh the disney vacation

00:33:36.680 --> 00:33:38.740
club and i was like yeah and she said yeah my

00:33:38.740 --> 00:33:41.759
parents have that too and that that is what cemented

00:33:41.759 --> 00:33:43.519
our friendship you know come to find out we have

00:33:43.519 --> 00:33:46.059
a shared sense of humor many other things in

00:33:46.059 --> 00:33:49.140
common but literally just that lunch sharing

00:33:49.140 --> 00:33:51.579
what we did the summer prior to going into college

00:33:51.579 --> 00:33:54.599
and it was go to walt disney world was the foundation

00:33:54.599 --> 00:33:56.460
of our friendship and i get back to her dorm

00:33:56.460 --> 00:33:58.140
and she has like a tinkerbell lamp and i'm like

00:33:58.140 --> 00:34:01.240
yeah we're going to be the best of friends. These

00:34:01.240 --> 00:34:03.900
are my people. These are my roommates for the

00:34:03.900 --> 00:34:07.299
other three years of college. Amazing. And, you

00:34:07.299 --> 00:34:10.360
know, if we are unwilling to open ourselves up

00:34:10.360 --> 00:34:12.650
to a little bit of that vulnerability. Then we

00:34:12.650 --> 00:34:14.510
do miss those. We miss those opportunities. We

00:34:14.510 --> 00:34:16.170
miss those connections and those relationships.

00:34:16.329 --> 00:34:17.650
And those are really important. They're a really

00:34:17.650 --> 00:34:19.070
fulfilling part of our life. I mean, it sounds

00:34:19.070 --> 00:34:21.869
like your two bridesmaids are from these two

00:34:21.869 --> 00:34:23.650
wonderful people, right? Because of Disney friendships,

00:34:24.030 --> 00:34:26.630
basically. Which is amazing. Emily that I did

00:34:26.630 --> 00:34:29.130
the podcast with, we were both teaching assistants.

00:34:29.349 --> 00:34:31.510
And so, you know, we're just in meetings and

00:34:31.510 --> 00:34:34.250
it somehow comes up that we love Disney and the

00:34:34.250 --> 00:34:38.349
movies and the theme parks. Again, there you

00:34:38.349 --> 00:34:40.750
go. That's the foundation, I guess, now that

00:34:40.750 --> 00:34:42.530
I think about it, of both of my bridesmaids.

00:34:42.710 --> 00:34:46.789
Yeah, I love that. So at the very, very end of

00:34:46.789 --> 00:34:51.110
the movie, the flashes across the screen is a

00:34:51.110 --> 00:34:53.429
quote from Walt Disney, which, of course, is

00:34:53.429 --> 00:34:55.349
where this actual idea of keep moving forward

00:34:55.349 --> 00:34:57.090
comes from, which I guess comes as no surprise.

00:34:57.309 --> 00:34:59.070
If somebody didn't know before, then it probably

00:34:59.070 --> 00:35:01.030
makes sense that that was the case. And here's

00:35:01.030 --> 00:35:03.929
what the quote says. Around here, however, we

00:35:03.929 --> 00:35:06.639
don't look backwards for very long. We keep moving

00:35:06.639 --> 00:35:09.380
forward, opening up new doors and doing new things

00:35:09.380 --> 00:35:12.340
because we're curious. And curiosity keeps leading

00:35:12.340 --> 00:35:15.719
us down new paths. So for you, here's what I'm

00:35:15.719 --> 00:35:18.420
curious about is there's this idea like we don't

00:35:18.420 --> 00:35:20.539
look backwards for very long, but that does obviously

00:35:20.539 --> 00:35:22.880
mean that we do look backwards, right, to some

00:35:22.880 --> 00:35:25.780
degree. So where for you is the balance of looking

00:35:25.780 --> 00:35:28.559
backwards and what's the value in that and then

00:35:28.559 --> 00:35:30.900
knowing when to then move forward and let go

00:35:30.900 --> 00:35:33.550
of the past? Yeah, it is a balance. I like that

00:35:33.550 --> 00:35:36.650
phrase, but I think I'm a big proponent of everything

00:35:36.650 --> 00:35:38.949
happens for a reason. I know that might be like

00:35:38.949 --> 00:35:42.309
a little like woo woo, but. All of the paths

00:35:42.309 --> 00:35:44.869
that you take lead you to where you are today.

00:35:45.030 --> 00:35:47.190
And so you're going to learn from each of those

00:35:47.190 --> 00:35:49.989
journeys, whether it's a job that you're no longer

00:35:49.989 --> 00:35:52.489
in or a relationship that didn't work out, that

00:35:52.489 --> 00:35:55.670
still shapes who you are and who you've become

00:35:55.670 --> 00:35:59.130
as a person. So I think it's a matter of, I like

00:35:59.130 --> 00:36:00.349
that, you know, we don't look back for long.

00:36:00.489 --> 00:36:02.550
Like you said, it's not that we ignore it. We

00:36:02.550 --> 00:36:07.250
don't just move on blindly. We think about those

00:36:07.250 --> 00:36:09.690
experiences, how they shape us and use that to

00:36:09.690 --> 00:36:11.570
move forward down the path, then make the informed

00:36:11.570 --> 00:36:14.050
choices as we continue to keep moving forward.

00:36:14.630 --> 00:36:17.329
And I think sometimes when we take those opportunities,

00:36:17.409 --> 00:36:18.869
like you mentioned, where, hey, we just got to

00:36:18.869 --> 00:36:21.349
step away for a second. Those are opportunities

00:36:21.349 --> 00:36:24.349
for us to think sometimes through, OK, that didn't

00:36:24.349 --> 00:36:26.269
work out. It's not working. So maybe a little

00:36:26.269 --> 00:36:29.889
bit of failure. OK, what can I do to learn now

00:36:29.889 --> 00:36:32.449
from that? Now I can move forward. What's the

00:36:32.449 --> 00:36:36.050
lesson? And now let's move forward. What role

00:36:36.050 --> 00:36:38.510
do you think curiosity plays in this for the

00:36:38.510 --> 00:36:41.010
ability to move forward? I feel like it's so

00:36:41.010 --> 00:36:43.909
important. I can tie it to my role a bit as an

00:36:43.909 --> 00:36:47.789
analyst. You have to be curious. It's sometimes

00:36:47.789 --> 00:36:50.489
not enough to just be like, yes, this was the

00:36:50.489 --> 00:36:53.429
number that we saw this week in whatever key

00:36:53.429 --> 00:36:56.750
performance indicator or KPI that you're looking

00:36:56.750 --> 00:36:59.050
at. You kind of have to be a little bit of like

00:36:59.050 --> 00:37:02.739
Olaf, like, yeah, why? Yeah, why? And keep digging

00:37:02.739 --> 00:37:07.159
down that. So I guess when this became like my

00:37:07.159 --> 00:37:09.500
personal motto, I didn't know I was going to

00:37:09.500 --> 00:37:13.099
end up on this specific path. But now I'm seeing

00:37:13.099 --> 00:37:17.519
the path of how it led me to where I am. But

00:37:17.519 --> 00:37:20.500
yes, all that to say, curiosity is so important

00:37:20.500 --> 00:37:23.739
as a driver, because if we're just complacent

00:37:23.739 --> 00:37:26.679
about things, I don't feel like you're in as

00:37:26.679 --> 00:37:29.769
much shape of your destiny as you could be. Well,

00:37:29.809 --> 00:37:32.329
that's actually a great tie in. I love that you

00:37:32.329 --> 00:37:34.230
mentioned Olaf because first off, I mean, who

00:37:34.230 --> 00:37:36.570
doesn't love Olaf? I love him. But it really

00:37:36.570 --> 00:37:39.210
is that idea of like, yeah, why to really do

00:37:39.210 --> 00:37:42.010
try to understand. I think sometimes we're quick

00:37:42.010 --> 00:37:44.469
to judgment. We're quick to think we understand

00:37:44.469 --> 00:37:47.449
what that number means or what that person meant.

00:37:47.630 --> 00:37:50.329
Right. We get an email and we think we know what

00:37:50.329 --> 00:37:53.230
their intention was. And we put all this story

00:37:53.230 --> 00:37:54.989
behind what we think their intention was. And

00:37:54.989 --> 00:37:58.329
we don't get curious to say, OK, why? Why was

00:37:58.329 --> 00:38:01.039
that? the thing they said? Why was that the recommendation

00:38:01.039 --> 00:38:05.420
they made? And when we get curious in those situations,

00:38:05.599 --> 00:38:08.579
we open up a new world of understanding. Now,

00:38:08.599 --> 00:38:12.840
maybe we don't come to the right, you know, perfect

00:38:12.840 --> 00:38:16.000
resolution, I suppose. But if we understand somebody

00:38:16.000 --> 00:38:19.300
more, that understanding, I think, does bridge

00:38:19.300 --> 00:38:21.840
those gaps oftentimes and really does help to

00:38:21.840 --> 00:38:24.139
build that connection. And decisions have to

00:38:24.139 --> 00:38:25.699
get made and you have to do things in a business.

00:38:26.880 --> 00:38:28.139
But without that understanding, I think it's

00:38:28.139 --> 00:38:30.340
lacking. And I think people don't feel as valued

00:38:30.340 --> 00:38:32.920
and appreciate as much as if you do. You have

00:38:32.920 --> 00:38:34.500
that understanding of where they're coming from

00:38:34.500 --> 00:38:37.739
and have that Olaf curiosity. So good. I just

00:38:37.739 --> 00:38:41.219
love that you said that. You're welcome. Here's

00:38:41.219 --> 00:38:42.699
another quote I want to run by you and get your

00:38:42.699 --> 00:38:44.420
take on. And it's similar to what we're talking

00:38:44.420 --> 00:38:45.760
about, but it's just one that I really love.

00:38:45.900 --> 00:38:49.760
It's from Carol Dweck. Carol Dweck is a college

00:38:49.760 --> 00:38:52.980
professor. She's got a doctorate, wrote a wonderful

00:38:52.980 --> 00:38:56.960
book called Mindset. And she's just amazing.

00:38:57.280 --> 00:39:01.679
And what she said was, becoming is better than

00:39:01.679 --> 00:39:05.119
being. The fixed mindset does not allow people

00:39:05.119 --> 00:39:07.900
the luxury of becoming. They have to already

00:39:07.900 --> 00:39:11.340
be. And in this book, she's really making the

00:39:11.340 --> 00:39:13.300
argument that fixed mindset is going to keep

00:39:13.300 --> 00:39:16.420
you in that negativity, keep you without being

00:39:16.420 --> 00:39:18.860
able to move forward. The growth mindset, on

00:39:18.860 --> 00:39:20.460
the other hand, is what opens up those possibilities.

00:39:20.619 --> 00:39:22.559
So can you give me your take on that quote? Yeah,

00:39:22.599 --> 00:39:24.500
I hadn't heard that quote before, but I do feel

00:39:24.500 --> 00:39:27.840
like it pairs really well because becoming is

00:39:27.840 --> 00:39:30.739
a continuous path. I think if you're just being.

00:39:31.639 --> 00:39:33.719
you're not moving on the path you're just there

00:39:33.719 --> 00:39:36.000
maybe you just you sat down for a little bit

00:39:36.000 --> 00:39:38.840
but becoming to me this is getting into the english

00:39:38.840 --> 00:39:41.239
major side that's an active verb that's that's

00:39:41.239 --> 00:39:45.019
moving and so i i absolutely see the the connection

00:39:45.019 --> 00:39:48.340
there yeah and i think if we look at that through

00:39:48.340 --> 00:39:50.869
the lens of goob right the movie actually does

00:39:50.869 --> 00:39:53.050
a really nice job of like he's sitting there

00:39:53.050 --> 00:39:55.889
in his bunk bed right when the orphanage is closed

00:39:55.889 --> 00:39:59.230
and he hasn't changed clothes in 30 years like

00:39:59.230 --> 00:40:00.989
goop's got to smell a little weird if you think

00:40:00.989 --> 00:40:04.730
totally and he was just being he literally during

00:40:04.730 --> 00:40:07.670
that time was just being he wasn't becoming anything

00:40:07.670 --> 00:40:09.789
different and it's it's obviously it's an extreme

00:40:09.789 --> 00:40:11.929
example like somebody actually sit there for

00:40:11.929 --> 00:40:15.210
30 years but it does such a nice job of visually

00:40:15.210 --> 00:40:17.590
highlighting that yeah So that we can understand

00:40:17.590 --> 00:40:19.650
it better, right? What times in our lives are

00:40:19.650 --> 00:40:22.730
we actually goob, sitting there in the same set

00:40:22.730 --> 00:40:26.510
of stinky clothes for entirely too long? Versus

00:40:26.510 --> 00:40:28.730
I think if we're okay to reveal now, but we've

00:40:28.730 --> 00:40:32.730
given the spoiler warning, Lewis grows up to

00:40:32.730 --> 00:40:35.309
be Cornelius. After he's adopted, he changes

00:40:35.309 --> 00:40:38.250
his name. And so as you go through the Robinsons'

00:40:38.250 --> 00:40:42.030
home, you see all of the failures, his different

00:40:42.030 --> 00:40:45.150
inventions, kind of like a haul of them to me.

00:40:45.690 --> 00:40:47.409
that that is becoming that's becoming better

00:40:47.409 --> 00:40:49.670
at this you know there's two time machines you

00:40:49.670 --> 00:40:51.510
see the different prototypes as they go through

00:40:51.510 --> 00:40:52.969
the little joke about the model it's like oh

00:40:52.969 --> 00:40:55.230
it's pretty small uh what is this a center for

00:40:55.230 --> 00:40:59.429
ants uh type of gag there uh but yeah that's

00:40:59.429 --> 00:41:01.369
kind of like goofus and gallant but it's it's

00:41:01.369 --> 00:41:06.090
goob and cornelius yeah it's such a good depiction

00:41:06.090 --> 00:41:09.940
too and we can see how That idea of keep moving

00:41:09.940 --> 00:41:12.980
forward served Cornelius and then brought together

00:41:12.980 --> 00:41:15.300
his family and how they all really embraced that

00:41:15.300 --> 00:41:18.199
in such a beautiful way and were supportive of

00:41:18.199 --> 00:41:21.280
each other, which is just such a nice way for

00:41:21.280 --> 00:41:23.340
us to see that and understand more about ourselves

00:41:23.340 --> 00:41:28.409
by seeing them do that. So, okay. So let's do

00:41:28.409 --> 00:41:30.510
this. Let's take you to our this or that segment.

00:41:30.570 --> 00:41:32.769
Okay. And then we'll hit our rapid fire and then

00:41:32.769 --> 00:41:34.570
we'll circle back at that point in time to kind

00:41:34.570 --> 00:41:36.690
of our closing reflection and our three actual

00:41:36.690 --> 00:41:40.010
takeaways. So first is our this or that. So buckle

00:41:40.010 --> 00:41:43.929
up, Courtney. Okay. Here we go. Time machine

00:41:43.929 --> 00:41:48.170
or Lewis's memory scanner? Time machine. I love

00:41:48.170 --> 00:41:50.110
to travel in general. So now you're just opening

00:41:50.110 --> 00:41:52.389
up new possibilities for me. Oh, yeah. So many.

00:41:52.429 --> 00:41:56.909
So many, right? Okay. Carl the robot or Lefty

00:41:56.909 --> 00:42:00.150
the octopus butler? I really like Carl. And he

00:42:00.150 --> 00:42:02.230
had little mini Carls. Oh, totally. There's a

00:42:02.230 --> 00:42:04.050
lot of potential there. I mean, Carl was making

00:42:04.050 --> 00:42:07.130
them dinners and stuff. Yeah. I could use a Carl.

00:42:07.389 --> 00:42:11.449
Yeah, no doubt. Peanut butter and jelly machine

00:42:11.449 --> 00:42:16.090
or flying car? Blind car. I hate driving. I'm

00:42:16.090 --> 00:42:18.429
going to believe that it's also like autonomous

00:42:18.429 --> 00:42:21.570
driving thing. Get me around. It's fine. It's

00:42:21.570 --> 00:42:23.210
you know, I think I start to get a little tired

00:42:23.210 --> 00:42:25.889
of that. Oh, 100 percent. OK, now here's a harder

00:42:25.889 --> 00:42:32.309
one. Disney World or a Disney cruise? That is

00:42:32.309 --> 00:42:35.610
very tough, but I am going to have to pick Disney

00:42:35.610 --> 00:42:39.190
Cruise. I think if you haven't done one, it is

00:42:39.190 --> 00:42:41.829
a great new way for you to experience the magic

00:42:41.829 --> 00:42:44.349
of Disney, the Disney level of service, but also...

00:42:44.960 --> 00:42:47.400
to get to experience other places outside of

00:42:47.400 --> 00:42:49.400
the theme parks. I was fortunate enough to do

00:42:49.400 --> 00:42:52.980
one in the Mediterranean in summer 2024. And

00:42:52.980 --> 00:42:55.019
to just, you know, you only had to unpack once

00:42:55.019 --> 00:42:57.880
in your stateroom, but you wake up and one day

00:42:57.880 --> 00:43:00.619
you're in Sicily and the next day you're in Santorini.

00:43:00.800 --> 00:43:03.000
And I'm like, wow, this is the way to do it.

00:43:03.199 --> 00:43:07.199
Oh, yeah. I've only been on one and it was nothing

00:43:07.199 --> 00:43:10.170
short of magical. You could do a land and sea.

00:43:10.329 --> 00:43:11.949
I mean, they sail out of Port Canaveral, so do

00:43:11.949 --> 00:43:14.489
a few days at Walt Disney World and then go on

00:43:14.489 --> 00:43:16.489
your cruise. That's the best. That's the best

00:43:16.489 --> 00:43:18.550
way to do it, right? Mix both. Best combo, yes.

00:43:19.309 --> 00:43:21.809
Okay, how about this one? A Disney book or a

00:43:21.809 --> 00:43:25.949
Disney movie? Oh, that is so tough, but I will

00:43:25.949 --> 00:43:28.809
go to my roots and I will say Disney book. There's

00:43:28.809 --> 00:43:31.130
something to be said about uncovering new knowledge

00:43:31.130 --> 00:43:34.199
hidden. secrets behind things I'm actually a

00:43:34.199 --> 00:43:37.039
big Disney non -fiction fan we certainly covered

00:43:37.039 --> 00:43:40.039
fiction on the podcast both Disney fiction like

00:43:40.039 --> 00:43:41.800
the Kingdom Keepers and the fictional stories

00:43:41.800 --> 00:43:44.880
that inspired movies but I loved me a good like

00:43:44.880 --> 00:43:50.539
memoir biography making of type thing oh absolutely

00:43:50.539 --> 00:43:53.920
uh okay how about this one an ocean view room

00:43:53.920 --> 00:43:56.980
uh on the cruise or being out on the pool deck

00:43:58.259 --> 00:43:59.900
I'm going to go with the pool deck. Look, I have

00:43:59.900 --> 00:44:02.139
stayed plenty of times in an inside room that

00:44:02.139 --> 00:44:04.079
didn't even have a view of the ocean. Like I'm

00:44:04.079 --> 00:44:07.219
traveling at an affordable price here. The room

00:44:07.219 --> 00:44:09.340
is just somewhere to sleep at night and shower.

00:44:09.619 --> 00:44:13.280
And so, you know, the rest of the ship is your

00:44:13.280 --> 00:44:15.780
world to explore. Courtney, I totally agree.

00:44:16.000 --> 00:44:17.719
My wife and I actually were talking about this

00:44:17.719 --> 00:44:20.099
just last week because when we went on a Disney

00:44:20.099 --> 00:44:22.099
cruise, the only one we went on, we did have

00:44:22.099 --> 00:44:27.139
an ocean view room. But we were hardly ever there.

00:44:27.260 --> 00:44:29.300
But then even when we were during the day, it

00:44:29.300 --> 00:44:31.179
was like we wanted to catch a little nap and

00:44:31.179 --> 00:44:32.719
then it wasn't totally dark. And it was like,

00:44:32.719 --> 00:44:34.980
yeah, I have an interior room. Oh, my God. I

00:44:34.980 --> 00:44:37.559
have never slept better than in those interior

00:44:37.559 --> 00:44:39.679
rooms because I am so light sensitive and I'm

00:44:39.679 --> 00:44:42.420
a morning person. But I tell you. I've slept

00:44:42.420 --> 00:44:45.000
till like 10 in those indoor rooms and that is

00:44:45.000 --> 00:44:48.920
very late for me. I'm like a 6 to 7 a .m. wake

00:44:48.920 --> 00:44:50.800
up and I was like, oh my God, what time is it?

00:44:50.940 --> 00:44:54.079
Where am I? It was so dark. Yeah, the interior

00:44:54.079 --> 00:44:56.340
room can really help. But when we go again, and

00:44:56.340 --> 00:44:58.280
we certainly will go on another Disney trip,

00:44:58.480 --> 00:45:01.559
we are definitely getting an interior room. Save

00:45:01.559 --> 00:45:03.519
yourself a little bit and put that money toward

00:45:03.519 --> 00:45:06.420
the fun fund and spend it on an excursion or

00:45:06.420 --> 00:45:07.639
something. Yeah, I think you're exactly right.

00:45:07.880 --> 00:45:10.760
Okay, here's the last this or that. Rope drop.

00:45:11.449 --> 00:45:15.010
at a park, whichever park, or staying for the

00:45:15.010 --> 00:45:20.000
fireworks. I'm a rope drop. Yeah, I was the morning

00:45:20.000 --> 00:45:22.579
person in me. It didn't surprise you. My family

00:45:22.579 --> 00:45:24.260
was definitely if you can make it from rope drop

00:45:24.260 --> 00:45:27.280
to fireworks, more power to you. But also, again,

00:45:27.320 --> 00:45:29.659
the crowds on the fireworks are going and stuff.

00:45:29.800 --> 00:45:32.460
I'm a let's take advantage of everybody else

00:45:32.460 --> 00:45:34.860
sleeping in and get right on Space Mountain.

00:45:34.920 --> 00:45:37.960
Yeah, I love me a good rope drop. I'm a big,

00:45:37.980 --> 00:45:40.699
big fan. OK, here's our rapid fire. OK, so buckle

00:45:40.699 --> 00:45:44.000
up. Favorite Disney movie? Beauty and the Beast.

00:45:44.699 --> 00:45:48.150
Favorite Disney song? Out There from Hunchback.

00:45:48.889 --> 00:45:51.670
Oh, okay. That's not one I've gotten yet. That

00:45:51.670 --> 00:45:53.869
is a... Yes. Okay, I like it. It's a great one.

00:45:54.610 --> 00:45:58.530
Favorite Disney princess? Belle. Favorite Disney

00:45:58.530 --> 00:46:03.070
villain? Hades. Oh, he's so good. He's so funny.

00:46:03.309 --> 00:46:06.150
I like... That was fun for me as a kid. I love

00:46:06.150 --> 00:46:10.550
Hades. Favorite Disney ship? Oh, the Disney treasure.

00:46:10.829 --> 00:46:12.909
If you're a theme park fan, if I can explain

00:46:12.909 --> 00:46:15.690
that one. That's the one that has... the haunted

00:46:15.690 --> 00:46:20.329
mansion parlor bar on it a 20 000 leagues inspired

00:46:20.329 --> 00:46:23.710
pub so they were just i'm like this feels like

00:46:23.710 --> 00:46:26.789
niche things that i'm interested in as a disney

00:46:26.789 --> 00:46:29.539
fan it's it's absolutely stunning That one's

00:46:29.539 --> 00:46:30.960
going to be pretty high on my list. I was just

00:46:30.960 --> 00:46:32.559
talking with somebody in my neighborhood and

00:46:32.559 --> 00:46:34.500
they had just gone on the treasure. And I was

00:46:34.500 --> 00:46:37.699
like, oh, this is sounding pretty great. I also

00:46:37.699 --> 00:46:39.380
feel like the treasure is kind of my baby because

00:46:39.380 --> 00:46:41.960
I have been with Disney for 12 years, but started

00:46:41.960 --> 00:46:44.599
on cruise line in 2022. And so that was the first

00:46:44.599 --> 00:46:47.800
ship that like I saw from we're giving you the

00:46:47.800 --> 00:46:49.980
name all the way up to her hitting the water.

00:46:50.019 --> 00:46:51.800
Like when I came in, the wish was about to sail.

00:46:51.840 --> 00:46:53.639
So it was like, okay, like, yeah, I can support

00:46:53.639 --> 00:46:56.539
that. But like. I feel emotionally attached to

00:46:56.539 --> 00:46:58.559
the treasure because that's the first one that

00:46:58.559 --> 00:47:01.860
I really saw from the beginning. It's connection,

00:47:01.920 --> 00:47:03.880
right? You have a connection to it. So yeah,

00:47:03.920 --> 00:47:07.679
that totally makes sense. Favorite Disney book?

00:47:07.920 --> 00:47:12.280
I highly recommend the Bob Thomas Walt Disney.

00:47:12.920 --> 00:47:16.599
biography. It was the authorized one by the family,

00:47:16.699 --> 00:47:20.219
but still doesn't shy away from different experiences

00:47:20.219 --> 00:47:23.519
that Walt and Lillian had. And so that's just

00:47:23.519 --> 00:47:25.760
one. I told Emily she did the college program

00:47:25.760 --> 00:47:27.780
the year behind me. I was like, read this before

00:47:27.780 --> 00:47:30.980
you go on your college program. It just puts

00:47:30.980 --> 00:47:33.599
you in the right mindset. So I think it's Walt

00:47:33.599 --> 00:47:36.039
Disney and American Original is probably the

00:47:36.039 --> 00:47:38.769
subtitle. Well, I mean, I'll tell you what, I'm

00:47:38.769 --> 00:47:40.829
going to download that into my Audible as soon

00:47:40.829 --> 00:47:42.670
as we get done recording here because I'm definitely

00:47:42.670 --> 00:47:44.550
going to read that one. Yes, Walt Disney and

00:47:44.550 --> 00:47:47.309
American Original. Okay. How about favorite Disney

00:47:47.309 --> 00:47:50.710
author? I'm going to give it to Jim Korkis just

00:47:50.710 --> 00:47:54.349
because he had such a prolific Vault of Walt

00:47:54.349 --> 00:47:59.710
series trivia master. If you happen to read his

00:47:59.710 --> 00:48:02.300
Disney Cruise Line book about... you know, the

00:48:02.300 --> 00:48:04.820
history of the cruise line and fun little things

00:48:04.820 --> 00:48:07.159
there, I do get a shout -out under my maiden

00:48:07.159 --> 00:48:10.239
name, Courtney Guth, in the foreword because

00:48:10.239 --> 00:48:14.480
I helped him with some trivia. Amazing. That's

00:48:14.480 --> 00:48:15.840
fantastic. Well, I'm definitely going to pull

00:48:15.840 --> 00:48:18.019
that out. Okay, and here's the last rapid fire.

00:48:18.099 --> 00:48:21.019
Which character from Meet the Robinsons do you

00:48:21.019 --> 00:48:25.449
relate to most? Definitely not goop. I think

00:48:25.449 --> 00:48:29.389
I think Lewis is at the heart of it. And so just

00:48:29.389 --> 00:48:32.389
following his journey and that spirit of optimism

00:48:32.389 --> 00:48:35.409
that he has. But he's like he's a realist, too.

00:48:35.469 --> 00:48:37.989
Like we get to see him, you know, frustrated

00:48:37.989 --> 00:48:40.929
by the interview process and not being adopted.

00:48:42.150 --> 00:48:44.670
I like that he's well -rounded in that regard.

00:48:44.929 --> 00:48:47.409
Yeah. Yeah. He's fantastic. Yeah. I love that.

00:48:48.190 --> 00:48:50.570
Well, let's take us to kind of our closing reflection

00:48:50.570 --> 00:48:52.389
and then let's get your three actionable takeaways.

00:48:52.570 --> 00:48:56.289
So can you give us your reflections overall on

00:48:56.289 --> 00:48:59.489
this idea of keep moving forward and what that

00:48:59.489 --> 00:49:02.530
kind of means from this wonderful gem of a show,

00:49:02.630 --> 00:49:06.289
Meet the Robinsons? Yeah, this movie is the film

00:49:06.289 --> 00:49:08.630
that introduced me to that quote. So even though

00:49:08.630 --> 00:49:10.989
I did that project on Walt Disney years before

00:49:10.989 --> 00:49:13.250
in sixth grade and learned about Walt the Man,

00:49:13.469 --> 00:49:16.090
it was that moment that you described in the

00:49:16.090 --> 00:49:18.949
credits where that quote, flashes on the screen

00:49:18.949 --> 00:49:21.230
i get like a little verklempt when i see it happen

00:49:21.230 --> 00:49:24.429
i get choked up thinking back to that i was um

00:49:24.429 --> 00:49:28.289
like 14 or 15 years old seeing that movie you

00:49:28.289 --> 00:49:30.530
know you're in a pivotal time period coming into

00:49:30.530 --> 00:49:34.090
high school all of that and that quote just stuck

00:49:34.639 --> 00:49:37.780
with me so much so that when I was applying to

00:49:37.780 --> 00:49:40.619
the University of Maryland, one of the required

00:49:40.619 --> 00:49:44.420
of three, I'm sure, essays was what is your personal

00:49:44.420 --> 00:49:47.280
philosophy? And I chose keep moving forward.

00:49:47.559 --> 00:49:50.280
It was also my senior quote in the yearbook.

00:49:50.420 --> 00:49:52.920
So I just really internalized that quote in my

00:49:52.920 --> 00:49:54.800
freshman year. And then by the time I graduated,

00:49:55.099 --> 00:49:57.599
I was just I was thinking about this watching

00:49:57.599 --> 00:49:59.900
the movie because it does have a lot to do with

00:49:59.900 --> 00:50:02.579
fate and the curiosity and the paths that we

00:50:02.579 --> 00:50:05.110
take and where that leads us. I'm like, Maryland

00:50:05.110 --> 00:50:07.409
is where I met my two best friends. It's where

00:50:07.409 --> 00:50:10.929
I met my now husband. I'm like, man, if I hadn't

00:50:10.929 --> 00:50:12.949
written that essay, like I might not have gotten

00:50:12.949 --> 00:50:15.309
in there. I might have been on a completely,

00:50:15.349 --> 00:50:17.929
completely different path. So again, going back

00:50:17.929 --> 00:50:20.170
to that everything for a reason piece as well.

00:50:20.349 --> 00:50:23.780
Brilliant. Brilliant. Yeah, I love it. Keep moving

00:50:23.780 --> 00:50:27.699
forward can be such a great mantra to have. And

00:50:27.699 --> 00:50:30.900
we all go through struggles at times. We all

00:50:30.900 --> 00:50:33.139
go through trials and difficult seasons in life.

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And it's not always easy for us to keep moving

00:50:35.539 --> 00:50:38.199
forward. You want to know what's crazy? Yes.

00:50:38.500 --> 00:50:41.300
Okay, I'm assuming you still have Facebook. And

00:50:41.300 --> 00:50:42.579
you know how Facebook will have your Facebook

00:50:42.579 --> 00:50:47.340
memories? Yeah. Okay, today... 13 years ago i

00:50:47.340 --> 00:50:51.500
posted like a keep like a an infographic of keep

00:50:51.500 --> 00:50:53.059
moving forward the walt disney quote with like

00:50:53.059 --> 00:50:54.980
the castle behind it so i don't remember what

00:50:54.980 --> 00:50:57.820
i was going through at that moment 13 years ago

00:50:57.820 --> 00:51:01.219
but like wow how cool was that i saw that this

00:51:01.219 --> 00:51:02.440
morning i was like oh my gosh we're gonna be

00:51:02.440 --> 00:51:04.400
talking about this tonight the perfect thing

00:51:04.400 --> 00:51:08.320
how beautiful that really is um and it's so nice

00:51:08.320 --> 00:51:11.090
to have have things like that sometimes pop up

00:51:11.090 --> 00:51:13.289
because it reminds us like hey you know there

00:51:13.289 --> 00:51:15.309
are things in life that are inspiring and things

00:51:15.309 --> 00:51:18.110
happen for a reason and oh that's just that's

00:51:18.110 --> 00:51:20.010
wonderful thank you for sharing that you're welcome

00:51:20.010 --> 00:51:24.969
um so if you could provide to our listeners three

00:51:24.969 --> 00:51:27.650
actionable takeaways of something that they could

00:51:27.650 --> 00:51:30.469
put in effect into their lives starting today

00:51:30.469 --> 00:51:33.110
what would those three things be yeah i think

00:51:33.110 --> 00:51:34.929
one thing that we didn't touch on too deeply

00:51:34.929 --> 00:51:37.510
though is the process that lewis goes through

00:51:38.219 --> 00:51:40.940
um going through adoption and i i really saw

00:51:40.940 --> 00:51:43.340
parallels to that of going through job interviews

00:51:43.340 --> 00:51:45.940
because he's kind of being interviewed by these

00:51:45.940 --> 00:51:50.440
parents and he says he's you know faced 124 and

00:51:50.440 --> 00:51:53.079
counting and mildred the the orphanage he's like

00:51:53.079 --> 00:51:55.280
i'm sure that's an over exaggeration he's like

00:51:55.280 --> 00:51:57.739
no this is the tally so i i feel like that's

00:51:57.739 --> 00:52:00.079
probably something that would resonate with those

00:52:00.079 --> 00:52:02.940
maybe in search of a job right now or going through

00:52:02.940 --> 00:52:07.000
that that You're going to face rejection in life.

00:52:07.139 --> 00:52:09.559
Maybe not everything on the path you think you're

00:52:09.559 --> 00:52:11.599
supposed to be on is going to pan out that way.

00:52:12.199 --> 00:52:14.619
But you will find the place where you're meant

00:52:14.619 --> 00:52:18.119
to be, your family, so to speak. Yeah. Just like

00:52:18.119 --> 00:52:20.440
Lewis finds the Robinsons. Yeah, absolutely.

00:52:21.840 --> 00:52:24.699
Then the other one that I really thought about,

00:52:24.719 --> 00:52:27.599
again, everything for a reason, going back to

00:52:27.599 --> 00:52:30.449
a big... The crux of him doing the memory scanner

00:52:30.449 --> 00:52:34.489
is he wants to see his mom in that moment. Like

00:52:34.489 --> 00:52:36.650
he feels like if he could go back, if he could

00:52:36.650 --> 00:52:39.130
change that, she's the one who wants him. Like

00:52:39.130 --> 00:52:41.309
she just couldn't maybe take care of him at that

00:52:41.309 --> 00:52:43.210
time. He just wants, he wants to feel wanted

00:52:43.210 --> 00:52:45.289
and he wants to go to back to that moment and

00:52:45.289 --> 00:52:46.730
change it. So when he finds out about the time

00:52:46.730 --> 00:52:49.809
machine, it becomes a deal between him and Wilbur

00:52:49.809 --> 00:52:51.889
Robinson. Like you're going to take me back to

00:52:51.889 --> 00:52:55.170
see my mom. And we have this moment where she's

00:52:55.170 --> 00:52:57.789
quite literally in front of him and he could

00:52:57.789 --> 00:53:00.969
reach out and touch her and essentially change

00:53:00.969 --> 00:53:04.730
his fate if he were to intervene. And this is

00:53:04.730 --> 00:53:07.550
everything that he's thought that he wanted.

00:53:08.150 --> 00:53:10.269
And then he doesn't do it. And I think that's

00:53:10.269 --> 00:53:12.610
because he realizes, like, if I do this, it's

00:53:12.610 --> 00:53:15.650
going to. change what I know my future to be.

00:53:15.750 --> 00:53:18.050
We don't have, unfortunately, the ability to

00:53:18.050 --> 00:53:20.809
know our future, but I think it gives us peace

00:53:20.809 --> 00:53:22.690
that maybe everything that happens for us does

00:53:22.690 --> 00:53:26.210
happen for a reason and leads you down that path.

00:53:26.650 --> 00:53:29.710
Yeah, because he gets to see this beautiful family

00:53:29.710 --> 00:53:33.530
that gets created because he went down this path

00:53:33.530 --> 00:53:36.590
of not knowing who his mom was and gets to embrace

00:53:36.590 --> 00:53:38.980
that. Yeah, just taking comfort in that when

00:53:38.980 --> 00:53:40.739
you're going through a tough time. If I can get

00:53:40.739 --> 00:53:43.239
a little personal here, I just went through a

00:53:43.239 --> 00:53:46.320
crazy last eight months. We previously lived

00:53:46.320 --> 00:53:51.119
in a condo and the tenant above, we owned the

00:53:51.119 --> 00:53:53.579
condo and we're living there. Someone above us

00:53:53.579 --> 00:53:55.659
was renting and did unauthorized construction

00:53:55.659 --> 00:53:59.699
and completely flooded our condo. And I was like,

00:53:59.699 --> 00:54:02.219
this quite literally ruined our life is like

00:54:02.219 --> 00:54:04.800
was my initial attitude. We lived in a hotel

00:54:04.800 --> 00:54:10.199
for over 100 days. It was like $45 ,000 in damages

00:54:10.199 --> 00:54:14.519
to the condo. But we got new floors. We got new

00:54:14.519 --> 00:54:17.800
kitchen. We got the walls that had a lot of posters

00:54:17.800 --> 00:54:20.360
and stuff patched. And they packed up all of

00:54:20.360 --> 00:54:22.380
our stuff. And we were collectors. And I was

00:54:22.380 --> 00:54:25.960
like, wait a second. This is awful. I'm not going

00:54:25.960 --> 00:54:29.860
to sugarcoat it. But that was the impetus for

00:54:29.860 --> 00:54:31.960
us to now be in a single family home that we

00:54:31.960 --> 00:54:34.340
closed on a month and a half ago. Because it

00:54:34.340 --> 00:54:37.730
was like, OK. this is what we've been dealt this

00:54:37.730 --> 00:54:40.949
is terrible but let's keep keep moving forward

00:54:40.949 --> 00:54:42.849
i mean and maybe for everything for a reason

00:54:42.849 --> 00:54:46.110
um i don't want to belittle the drama that experience

00:54:46.110 --> 00:54:50.070
was having to deal with but And because of that,

00:54:50.070 --> 00:54:51.949
it made us rethink, like, well, do we want to

00:54:51.949 --> 00:54:53.949
still live here? Moving to a single family home

00:54:53.949 --> 00:54:55.809
was something that we had talked about, my husband

00:54:55.809 --> 00:54:58.010
and I, for a while. But it was like, oh, you

00:54:58.010 --> 00:55:00.670
know, maybe like our mortgage rate, those adulting

00:55:00.670 --> 00:55:02.349
type things. It's like, oh, we have all this

00:55:02.349 --> 00:55:04.769
stuff. Like, OK, somebody else paid to have the

00:55:04.769 --> 00:55:08.099
insurance. pack all that up for us and now they've

00:55:08.099 --> 00:55:10.860
upgraded the kitchen cabinets and things like

00:55:10.860 --> 00:55:14.300
okay maybe this is the push that we needed to

00:55:14.300 --> 00:55:17.079
to sell to start over we don't want to be in

00:55:17.079 --> 00:55:19.780
this home with this traumatizing memory and living

00:55:19.780 --> 00:55:23.340
below this person who who caused all this for

00:55:23.340 --> 00:55:26.579
us and so that i think within you know the last

00:55:26.579 --> 00:55:29.380
year has been a huge piece of reflection for

00:55:29.380 --> 00:55:33.179
me uh on on paths and and what gets us to maybe

00:55:33.179 --> 00:55:35.969
a journey we didn't expect but are ultimately

00:55:35.969 --> 00:55:39.050
grateful for the outcome yeah yeah and i think

00:55:39.050 --> 00:55:40.530
one of the things you pointed out is i think

00:55:40.530 --> 00:55:42.650
right it doesn't mean that we have to say like

00:55:42.650 --> 00:55:45.449
oh it was an easy experience no we can acknowledge

00:55:45.449 --> 00:55:49.030
like that was hard and we have hard things and

00:55:49.030 --> 00:55:52.389
we can also move forward past them and we can

00:55:52.389 --> 00:55:54.170
also find the good in things even though something

00:55:54.170 --> 00:55:58.679
was difficult yeah And so at the end of it, the

00:55:58.679 --> 00:56:01.980
third takeaway is just keep moving forward with

00:56:01.980 --> 00:56:03.559
it. The path might not be the one you thought

00:56:03.559 --> 00:56:06.739
or you foresaw for yourself, but just kind of

00:56:06.739 --> 00:56:10.039
have faith that it'll lead you through, but also

00:56:10.039 --> 00:56:12.940
remain curious. You are still in control of your

00:56:12.940 --> 00:56:14.719
destiny one way or the other. It's that curiosity

00:56:14.719 --> 00:56:18.059
that'll lead you down those paths. Absolutely

00:56:18.059 --> 00:56:20.719
wonderful. Oh, those are some absolutely terrific

00:56:20.719 --> 00:56:24.539
takeaways. that I think can really bring some

00:56:24.539 --> 00:56:27.480
more peace and happiness for people if they'll

00:56:27.480 --> 00:56:29.679
try to put those in action into their lives,

00:56:29.760 --> 00:56:33.139
keep moving forward, do so with curiosity. Courtney,

00:56:33.219 --> 00:56:35.019
it's been a pleasure visiting with you today.

00:56:35.619 --> 00:56:37.619
It has been a treat for me as well. I appreciate

00:56:37.619 --> 00:56:39.760
you having me on. I appreciate the knowledge

00:56:39.760 --> 00:56:41.840
that you bring. I appreciate the perspective.

00:56:42.360 --> 00:56:44.800
I appreciate getting to watch Meet the Robinsons.

00:56:44.820 --> 00:56:46.639
It's been a while since I watched it, and I love

00:56:46.639 --> 00:56:47.699
getting to watch it. It's been a while for me

00:56:47.699 --> 00:56:50.260
too. It's always good to circle back to some

00:56:50.260 --> 00:56:51.920
of these, especially when, you know, when you

00:56:51.920 --> 00:56:54.659
have an impact like it did for you, that quote

00:56:54.659 --> 00:56:56.179
for you, you know, and you get to circle back

00:56:56.179 --> 00:56:57.659
to these things. And it's a reminder of like

00:56:57.659 --> 00:57:00.599
where you've come from and what exciting things

00:57:00.599 --> 00:57:03.900
are ahead as well. So appreciate you being on

00:57:03.900 --> 00:57:07.460
our podcast, Yes and Land, and hope the best

00:57:07.460 --> 00:57:10.400
for you and everything you've got in your life

00:57:10.400 --> 00:57:12.119
and in your journey with the Walt Disney Company.

00:57:12.440 --> 00:57:14.280
Thank you. And I look forward to seeing how you

00:57:14.280 --> 00:57:16.139
keep moving forward with the rest of your episodes.

00:57:17.800 --> 00:57:20.599
As you leave this conversation, remember that

00:57:20.599 --> 00:57:23.440
yes, the past can hurt and you can either run

00:57:23.440 --> 00:57:26.639
from it or you can learn from it. So here's to

00:57:26.639 --> 00:57:30.159
learning and finding joy in the journey. See

00:57:30.159 --> 00:57:30.659
you real soon.