Lion King Leadership: Building Relationships That Matter | with Mayor Lorin Palmer

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Welcome to Yes And Land, where we say yes to

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the reality of yesterday and today, and we say

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and to the possibility, growth, and imagination

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of tomorrow. Today, super excited because we

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have Mayor Lauren Palmer joining us. He is the

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mayor of Harriman, which is, I think it's the

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fastest growing city in Utah. If not the, it's

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one of the fastest growing cities in Utah, right?

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It has been yes. Yeah, it is just absolutely

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boom and you have so much going on there a great

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city And we're very excited for him to join us

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today and we're gonna be talking about a number

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of different things. We're gonna talk about leadership

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and building Relationships and and the importance

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of building those relationships and collaboration

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And we're also going to look at that through

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the lens of Lion King, right and we're talking

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specifically about Mufasa in Lion King and the

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kind of leader he was and what we can learn from

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both him and also from Mayor Palmer. So very

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excited for the conversation today. Could be

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fun. So as we kind of get kicked off, what I'd

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love to do is kind of talk about. Kind of your

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backstory. What got you to where you are now?

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Because as I understand it, being in politics

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was not necessarily the plan. That was something

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that kind of happened as some different adventures

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and experiences unfold in your life. But let's

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roll it all the way back, right? Let's roll it

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back to when you're from Price, a city that we

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love and hold dear here, as my law partner is

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from Price and we know loads of people from Price.

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So you, you grew up there and, and when do you

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eventually like leave price and what was that

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like? So I was there through my mission. Okay.

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Right. Served an earliest mission. And what'd

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you serve? In Uruguay, South America. Uruguay.

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So speak, you speak Spanish. Yep. I kept up on

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that. Which I'll bet is a little bit an asset

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as a mayor. Absolutely. Yeah. Use it daily. Probably.

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Really? Absolutely. I wouldn't have guessed that.

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Amazing. Yep. Okay. Been a blessing. And then

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served that mission, came home, did the typical,

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got married pretty quick. Yep. After. And then,

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you know, we were just talking out in the hall,

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right? Which it was really not a lot of opportunity

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there, unfortunately. Unfortunately. I wish there

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would have been, right? But there just wasn't

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at the time. And then so we left, got married

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left, came up here, went to school. Actually

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didn't have any plans when we moved up here.

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Just tried to find a job, didn't know much about

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schooling options. I just didn't. My parents

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didn't love my parents, but they didn't know

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how to guide me through the college experience

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even. So I came up here. was working and my friend

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in my neighborhood put me under this job at a

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company called Avco House of Hoes and said, Hey,

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you got to come work here. It's this industrial

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space, but they'll put you you know, they'll

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pay for your schooling. Oh, amazing. Absolutely.

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I'll hop on that'll be do something. So I wanted

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to do I'd always wanted to pre mad maybe do physical

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therapy. But they said, Well, all we pay for

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is business. I said, Well, I guess I'm gonna

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be a business major business. So I didn't I don't

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even know if I ever used that, because I just

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stayed with that company for several years, even

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after finishing. Where did you go to school?

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UVU. UVSC at the time, was it? It's so weird

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for me, because I always think of it as UVSC,

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kind of rolled off the tongue. And so when I

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hear UVU, it always kind of takes me like a split

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second, like, OK, that's the same place. Same

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place, yes. So you're a business major there?

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Business major. Was it like business administration?

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Was it just general business management? Okay.

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And again, but I stayed there for a while and

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I was doing management stuff within they moved

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me to St. George to open up a new branch of that

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when I was 27. I was pretty young moved down

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there. But it wasn't like management. I didn't

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love it, right? It wasn't my I didn't love managing

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the people I just wasn't too close to people.

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I became a friend more than a manager. It was

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tricky, right? It is. But then I landed on the

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sell side. They gave me a shot over on the sell

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side. And that's what I just I found my passion

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was cells and relationships. And that just took

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off from there. And that became the rest of my

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career until I went through a divorce. And we

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talked, as you know, went through a divorce.

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And then you had some kids with your ex, right?

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We had four. We had four. Two boys and then twins

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that are boy, girl. So they happened pretty fast.

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I think plans were three. When the third one

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is a twin, then you have four. Yep, you have

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four. It is what it is. But it was amazing. Kids

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are all grown, married now. All doing their thing.

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Let me, I mean, as a divorce attorney, I won't

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get into any details. We don't want to force

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you to go anything down that path. But I have

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a couple of questions there, which is like, you're

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going through this and your kids are doing amazing.

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So y 'all must have done something right in co

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-parenting. And so walk me through like the emotions

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after you get divorced. And then what you did

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to find a really healthy co -parenting relationship.

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Absolutely. So initially, I'll give all the credit

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to my ex -wife. She was just... Because I struggled.

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I went through a major depression. Because at

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the same time, when it started through to my

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divorce, I actually left the host company for

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a while and went and started another company

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with a friend. But it just wasn't... It wasn't

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busy. I wasn't... you know, couldn't keep my

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mind off of things all the time. I was doing

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a lot of weekend work with this other company,

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which was when you're doing the weekend warrior

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thing as a dad, it didn't, it wasn't working.

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So I was, I was honestly in a dark place at one

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point where I couldn't get out of bed in the

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morning. I was up all night worried about where

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I was failing. And then I was so tired, I couldn't

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get up in the morning. So I had a business partner

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that was patient with me as well, but really

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it was my ex -wife just understanding this was

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about the kids. It wasn't about her and I. There

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was never anything awful there at all, right?

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But it wasn't... I wasn't a very good... I tell

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everybody I was not a good dad for a while because

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I was absent, I was stressed, I was depressed.

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And then, you know, it just clicked one day.

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I just, you know, started doing some therapy,

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started doing some other stuff, and finally was

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able to turn it around and then met my current

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wife, who actually did a lot to kind of pull

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me across the finish line, I told her, that she

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kind of helped pull me across the finish line.

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And that... then I became... she was very willing

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to be involved with the kids and that helped

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us because it's not easy to be a stepparent.

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Being a stepparent, I tell my wife because I

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have some kids with an ex as well and she's a

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stepparent to my two boys. A stepparent is a

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thankless job. It's really hard because you can

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do all the right things and yet you're not the

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biological parent and you might always still

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have that kind of stigma from the kids who just

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don't appreciate the stepparent, even if they're

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doing a lot for the kids. And so being a stepparent

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is really hard. Like you said, bankless almost

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sometimes. But still, hats off to her. So I've

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had two very selfless women in my life, honestly.

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My ex -wife and now my current wife, who's been

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good. And then it's interesting, my ex -wife

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had with her, she remarried within a couple of

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years, and they had their oldest one they had

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together actually was diagnosed with leukemia.

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Oh, goodness. And when he was diagnosed with

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leukemia, the four older ones were elementary

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school, so they were busy. They had to spend

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a lot of time at primary children's for treatment.

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And then she was pregnant again with their second.

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He was 20 months old when he was diagnosed. But

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then we had to step in and really just... It

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became this one big... As they were going through

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their trial with their son with leukemia, we

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all had to kind of come together and it... became

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this big, that's where we realized it took a,

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it took a village. Really they make that happen.

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And so really that brought everybody together.

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It doesn't mean we're all best friends still.

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We're very different paths, I guess a little

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bit, but at the end of the day, it's been about

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the kids and that's just been the focus. And

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again, we stayed close to each other. Once, soon

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as my old, the youngest hit graduated, she took

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off to Santaquin. We, you know, so we had to

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stay close. We both kind of agreed to stay close

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and both. times toyed with ideas of moving out,

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but we knew that wasn't going to be best for

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the kids. Here we are. I mean, I think what it

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is, it's a testament to a number of things that

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we try to coach and educate people on, which

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is, you know, when you get divorced, obviously,

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people see it as breaking up a family. But what

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I think talking with some marriage and family

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therapists and look at the research, I think

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it's sometimes healthy to look at it in a way

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that's like, well, this is a different family.

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It's different because you still have these kids

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in common. And so because of that, like for these

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kids, it's still their family. Might live in

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different homes, might look a little different,

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might end up being blended families and such,

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but it still is. And when that can function in

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a healthier way, then you see things like that.

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I mean, honestly, I think it took a lot from

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both you and your ex -wife and from your current

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wife in humility. I mean, one of the things I

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just heard from you now, which is you're giving

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credit to other people, which is a really good

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sign because it certainly took a lot of work

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for you to get to where you needed to be. But

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recognizing the contributions of others and being

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really humble about it, I think it's actually

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a really healthy thing because then you're recognizing

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like it functions better if we have humility,

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if we have kindness that, you know, I think people

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could really learn from when they're going through

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a divorce, when they're dealing with an ex. And

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sometimes it's a little bit hard. Keeping that

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in mind can be really healthy. And I also think

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it's it's a good sign for people to like there

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there's light on the other side you know that

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even if you're going through something really

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hard and you go through a dark time that you

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you'll you'll be able to pull through and it's

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going to take relying on some other people at

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times even maybe unconventional people but that

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like that you can that there's we talk about

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it where we say like you know we try to help

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people navigate people through the heartbreak

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of divorce to a better brighter future so you

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know we're we're trying to give them hope for

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the future but it means this you know it is we

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recognize it's it's heartbreak right it's hard

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it's dark but we want you know we want people

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to hopefully be able to build for something in

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the future and you certainly have done that and

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it's very i think it's very helpful for people

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to hear uh kind of that path so you uh you're

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you're doing sales and you're killing it you're

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finding like this is something that you're really

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enjoying right tell me about the the pathway

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professionally for when you're doing that and

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then kind of what your wife is doing and then

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kind of where you go from there absolutely so

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Right out of the gate, as soon as we were married,

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six months in, my, you know, with my current

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wife, she loses her job. And we're kind of, when

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you're paying child support and she loses her

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job, I was still kind of ramping up my, I had

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gone back into the sales space, but definitely

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child support takes, you know, is expensive.

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I'm not complaining, right? But it is, you almost

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have to have two incomes or one very good income

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to make it work. And so she loses her job right

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away, but then luckily lands at a new company

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pretty quick. and was there for years and was

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kind of climbing her way through. She had been

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single for a while. So she had put herself through

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school and everything and got her master's degree

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in finance. And so she's working her way up her

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career ladder. And then I'm doing my, by the

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time about eight years in, I was doing a national

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sales role. I was traveling all over the country,

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leaving every Monday, coming back every Thursday

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or Friday. And it worked because she was busy

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with her job, the kids. We saw them on the weekend,

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so it worked for us. But then we get pregnant.

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And we have that discussion. Where do we do?

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Where do we go? We actually tried. I did quit

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my job, my sales job. It was hard. But we were

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going to take a shift, just a more local job.

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But we even eventually had that conversation

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of she was making more than I was. wasn't the

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traditional roles we wanted to fill. She didn't

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really want to be the stay -at -home mom. She

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just wasn't her. And that's OK. I didn't expect

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that. It was not any disappointment there. We

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thought we'd do the nanny, try the nanny, try

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daycare. So I did. Actually, none of that worked

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out. So I ended up becoming a stay -at -home

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dad, which was weird. I could go into the mental

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challenges that that was as well, because I was

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in a good spot. I was in a good space with my

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career. I was progressing. I was this national

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sales manager. I was an expert in my field. And

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I had goals, monthly goals, yearly goals, and

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then become a stay at home dad. And that's not

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my lost my network. I gave up my everybody I

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knew. Suddenly, they weren't friends. They were

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acquaintances that you worked with. But that

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network's gone. But I did it and absolutely would

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never now looking back. I would never trade that

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for anything What was that? What was that like

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emotionally though when you do that where suddenly?

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You're you you leave there you become a stay

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-home dad all your acquaintances your network

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all those connections Suddenly you don't have

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those anymore on on a daily basis Emotionally

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kind of what are you processing through at that

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time? Oh my word so many things again It was

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there was probably a little bit of depression

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that came in again crept back in a little bit

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It was hard. It was hard to get motivated some

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days here hard to, you know, even though I, I

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remember my wife coming home from work and I

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just felt like I hadn't got anything done, right?

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And she was just glad we, we were alive, right?

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Like kind of in a way that we would survive the

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day, right? But so it was interesting because

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it was, it was hard, but rewarding. It was this

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weird thing. I remember trying to set goals of,

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you know, different room to clean in the house.

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Like, cause I was trying to take on those roles

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too. that stay -at -home mom type thing, too,

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that we talk about, you know, the laundry, the

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cleaning, and it just, even that, I just couldn't,

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I couldn't create a, because there was no, I

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don't know, there was no certain process, there

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was no routine I could create with the newborn,

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right? And so, I don't know, it was just weird,

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you know, a few years, it was a weird few years,

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and ended up trying to reach out to the community.

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That's when I started my, I do this weekly lunch

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now. Everybody thinks it's my... Lunch to meet

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with the mayor this started actually because

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I was I needed adult interaction as a stay -at

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-home dad That's how I reached out to the community

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and said like hey, I need adult interaction anybody

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else in this situation Turned out there were

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a lot of people in the community that were needing

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that Once a week space. Yeah, I actually think

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that's really smart I mean again, maybe it's

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the non -traditional rule especially for Utah

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but I think it's really helpful to think about

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that like when somebody decides to You know take

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on that role of providing that full -time care

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for children That you still need to have adult

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interaction. You still need to have a bit of

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that. And being deliberate about saying, hey,

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I'm going to do a weekly lunch. That's important.

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I think more people could look at that and consider

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things like that. I think that's really helpful.

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It's smart. Yeah. I tried to do some of that.

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There were some mom and me groups. And it just

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didn't fit. It felt inappropriate sometimes to

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hang out with these other moms and their kids.

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But again, nothing wrong with it. But I just

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didn't feel. At home there, right? So it was

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this tried to I got sick of waiting for that

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space to come to me So I tried to create that

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space I guess well, and it's it's smart I mean,

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you know, we talked about a lot of times where

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there's there's some core human needs and one

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of those is the the need to have a sense of belonging

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and When you had that sense of belonging in the

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career that you were building and all these goals

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you had and then suddenly that's not there You're

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starting to lose that So being deliberate and

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saying, I need to have that sense of belonging,

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so I'm going to reach out. I'm not going to wait

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for it to come to me. I'm going to be proactive,

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is again, something that I think more people

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could take the advice of. If you're having that

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disconnection that you feel in your life, if

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you're having like... Man, I'm just kind of in

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this grind and I'm not connecting with people

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and I don't feel like I belong. We'll be proactive.

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Look for those opportunities. Absolutely. Have

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those relationships, right? That's part of what

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we're talking about today, right? Like build

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those relationships. Those relationships are

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huge. Absolutely. So you start doing that. You

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start doing those lunches. You're doing the stay

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home dad thing. How in the world do you end up

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running for mayor? Right. Well, let me go back

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again. I truly, everybody laughs when I say this,

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I hated politics. Yeah. I like them a little

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bit more today. Sure. still not Because I think

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I turned out to be okay with this. Yeah, but

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anyway, I didn't like politics I didn't want

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to be in politics, but I've been involved in

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the community a little bit We had done as a resident

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group. We had created a resident group concerned

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about some growth patterns in Harriman Honestly,

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I look back. I don't know that we understood

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everything what was happening out there, but

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we got involved and then when The mayor thing

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opened up. We knew the mayor I won't get into

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why but everybody knew there was gonna be an

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open seat for the mayoral And it wasn't even

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a thought, but my wife and I sat down. Cohen

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was my little guy. I was getting ready to go

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into kindergarten. We had this discussion about,

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do I go back to school? Because I'd always thought

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about maybe I go get an MBA. I just want to do

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something different. Do I go back to school,

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get an MBA? Do I just go back to the sales space

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I was doing? But that would require probably

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sometimes in sales you have to travel to be gone

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a lot to make the money. And so my wife, I remember

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sitting me down and said, you know, she's financially,

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because by then she was doing pretty well financially.

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She could pay. She could provide at that point.

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And she said, why don't you just find a way to

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make a difference? And that's when it just hit.

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I don't have to follow a traditional path. Again,

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what can we do? And then a couple months later,

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I started getting those whispers from the community

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about, hey, this mayor thing is going to be open.

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Why don't you take a look at it? I looked into

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it. It's more about it's a nonpartisan race.

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So I'd like that. It's more about community service.

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I tell everybody if you have the like, not everybody

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has the LDS background, but I told everybody

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it's feels like being an elders quorum president

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for a city. Right? It's just because I felt like

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I was could look out for all the well being of

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the community, the temporal well being the physical

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well being, and then the emotional to bringing

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people together. And so that's what I felt the

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role I could serve in that. And that's how I

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ran as for mayor and Here we are. Yeah. Well,

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it's interesting and that you saying that reminds

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me of something that I wrote down, which was

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some quotes from Lion King, because that's what

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we're talking about today, right? Absolutely.

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And when Mufasa is teaching Simba, and you probably

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had this in mind as well, but he says, Mufasa

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says, look Simba, everything the light touches

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is our kingdom. Young Simba says, wow. Mufasa

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says, a king's time as ruler rises and falls

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like the sun. One day Simba, the sun will set

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on my time here and will rise with you as a new

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king. Young Simba says, and this will all be

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mine. Mufasa says, everything. Young Simba says,

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everything the light touches. And so, you know,

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when we think about when you're saying is like

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there's ways that like the light touches so many

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different aspects of Harriman, right? The community

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that you're in. And that's kind of the, I think,

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a responsibility and a stewardship that you take

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on when you take on that role, right? Like, hey,

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there's a lot of responsibility with this. Right.

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Yeah. For you, when you kind of think about that,

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you think about Mufasa teaching kind of as a

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leader of his son, what do you think he was trying

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to teach? And how do you think that maybe Simba

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wasn't understanding that at that young stage

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of his life? Right, absolutely. And I look back,

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it's, you know, a lot of politicians sit in an

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office and don't you know connect with their

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community and I looked at a community as a whole

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and I watched it wasn't about it wasn't about

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the roads it wasn't about the water lines I mean

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all that stuff is what we do right it wasn't

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about that but I watched as a community we were

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growing so fast like we talked about that at

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the beginning we were I've been in Harriman now

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almost 13 14 years and it wasn't 25 000 people

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when we moved out there right and now we're knocking

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on the door of 65 70 000 in Harriman But everybody

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that moved out there seems to want this small

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-town fill. That's still the pushback we get.

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We came out here for the small -town fill. We

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all did. But then we're getting so big. So if

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we look out, my goal is to try to keep everybody

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with that feeling. This is not my community.

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It's everybody in the community. I want everybody

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involved. I want people understanding that this

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is their community. They can have a part in molding

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the community. And I think some people don't

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understand that, that they can play a role in

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shaping our community. It's not me. I really

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believe it's not the city council or the mayor

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that affects the groups that step up, the volunteer

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organizations that step up. They're the ones

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that are impacting our community more than, absolutely

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more than anything. If I play a small role in

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bringing those people out of the woodworks to

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get involved, that's, I'll be. thrilled with

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that, but I think some people don't understand

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still that they can be involved in a city, in

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a community, and don't wait around for somebody

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else to do it. I think that's what's informative

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and educational about this idea of Mufasa is

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obviously teaching about this animal kingdom

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that they're going to be the rulers over. But

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in reality, I think what Mufasa is teaching him

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is exactly what you're saying. Like, hey, we

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play a small role in this. In fact, you talked

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earlier with Simba about the circle of life,

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where the role that he's playing, like, maybe

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he's the king, maybe he's the leader. And I think

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Simba is taking that like, yeah, I'm going to

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be the ruler. I'm going to tell everybody what

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to do. Foster's like, that's not the charge here.

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You have a responsibility, but it's got to be

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the role that everybody's playing here, and that

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you're just trying to help that. that circle

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of life work and work effectively so that people

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can work together, which is like the opposite

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of what Scar was doing. Right. Yep. Scar wanted

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to rule. Like I think Simba was thinking like

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heavy hand. You do what I say. I'm going to dictate

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everything. Uh, when in reality it's, it's much

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more about what you're talking about, you know,

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helping people find their voice, helping people

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find what they can do and inspiring them to step

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up because you do play a role in that. Right.

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I think people look to a mayor and, and there's

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there's a certain level when somebody knows that

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person is the mayor of like, okay, that person

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is the mayor, like, maybe I should, you know,

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listen to what they're saying, or, you know,

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he's saying I could be involved, maybe I maybe

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I can be involved, maybe there is something more

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that I can do. But I think is really, he's really

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inspiring, you know, and when we have leaders,

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which I think we need more of, that are willing

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to say like to be humble and say, I'm just playing

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a small role here. But I need the community to

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be involved. And I'm just trying to like play

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a role in helping the community do it, which

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I think is huge. What is the role for you of

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building these relationships that you learned

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for your career of being in sales and building

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at your network? What role has that played in

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allowing you to be an effective leader? Well,

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I think the word you said in there was relationships.

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It's 100 % been about relationships, not just

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with within the community but without you know

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outside the community with neighboring communities

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with business partners with it's just there's

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this whole network of people that we have to

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bring together that play a role in our communities

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and we just that's what that's where my strength

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is it honestly i i hate even using but that's

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my strength is bringing people together it's

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relationships it's collaboration it's understanding

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i don't have all the answers i don't i don't

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have all the answers i'm not there's no training

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how to be a mayor you don't go to school There's

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no mayoral school. Sure, you can study political

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science, but it's not the same. It's just not

00:23:24.569 --> 00:23:28.029
the same. So for me, it's just relationships

00:23:28.029 --> 00:23:30.490
and trying to bring people together in different

00:23:30.490 --> 00:23:32.950
roles in every aspect I can. I try to be out

00:23:32.950 --> 00:23:36.309
in the community as much as possible to be seen.

00:23:36.589 --> 00:23:40.190
It's not about me. It's not, right? I don't go

00:23:40.190 --> 00:23:41.789
to the store and hope people recognize me. I

00:23:41.789 --> 00:23:43.809
don't. I actually hope I like to go to the store

00:23:43.809 --> 00:23:45.470
and kind of be incognito, right? I just want

00:23:45.470 --> 00:23:47.880
to go to the store and be a... regular guy sometimes

00:23:47.880 --> 00:23:52.619
right, but it's it's just that it's a hundred

00:23:52.619 --> 00:23:55.759
percent about relationships and Using those to

00:23:55.759 --> 00:23:58.000
bring people together and for the better. Yeah,

00:23:58.380 --> 00:24:00.779
so when we talk about those relationships the

00:24:00.779 --> 00:24:02.599
importance of them I mean, what do you feel like

00:24:02.599 --> 00:24:05.720
are the key? The key ways in which people can

00:24:05.720 --> 00:24:07.720
effectively build those relationships. Like what's

00:24:07.720 --> 00:24:08.819
the difference? What's the difference between

00:24:08.819 --> 00:24:13.720
someone who you know is that classic? networker

00:24:13.720 --> 00:24:16.670
that Kind of like make your skin crawl a little

00:24:16.670 --> 00:24:18.089
bit, you know, you know kind I'm talking about

00:24:18.089 --> 00:24:19.529
Oh, yeah, where's are the people where you're

00:24:19.529 --> 00:24:21.750
like? Oh my nice. This person's just so great.

00:24:21.849 --> 00:24:24.670
Like what's the difference? For me, I had somebody

00:24:24.670 --> 00:24:26.789
tell me during even during this last campaign

00:24:26.789 --> 00:24:28.849
I had never heard this before but somebody else

00:24:28.849 --> 00:24:31.230
reached out during the campaign just last year

00:24:31.230 --> 00:24:35.170
and basically Sent me a text and it was an endorsement

00:24:35.170 --> 00:24:37.470
He was offering many endorsement, but he said

00:24:37.470 --> 00:24:40.289
Lauren he said I I had never met you but I met

00:24:40.289 --> 00:24:42.569
you at a meeting he says and you took the time

00:24:42.569 --> 00:24:46.049
to walk up to me, say hi to me. And nobody else

00:24:46.049 --> 00:24:49.690
exists. I mattered to you in that moment. I could

00:24:49.690 --> 00:24:53.069
tell it wasn't, you just took the time. Nobody

00:24:53.069 --> 00:24:55.369
else blocked out. You were focused on me and

00:24:55.369 --> 00:24:57.869
what I was saying to you. You weren't distracted

00:24:57.869 --> 00:25:01.210
by other things. So it's really, it has to be

00:25:01.210 --> 00:25:03.549
a two -way relationship. I even look at it more,

00:25:03.730 --> 00:25:06.690
I want it to be a one way, the other way. It's

00:25:06.690 --> 00:25:09.089
give and take, right? But it has to be, sometimes

00:25:09.089 --> 00:25:11.819
people want it. you know, a one -way relationship.

00:25:12.000 --> 00:25:14.579
They want everybody to give one way. For me,

00:25:14.779 --> 00:25:17.500
it's... You have to give. You have to be willing

00:25:17.500 --> 00:25:20.880
to go both ways in a relationship. But it's really

00:25:20.880 --> 00:25:22.680
just... At the end of the day, it's just listening.

00:25:22.839 --> 00:25:25.579
I think people don't feel heard these days more

00:25:25.579 --> 00:25:29.920
than ever. I think... It's trying... I get sick

00:25:29.920 --> 00:25:32.839
of people that think they have all the answers,

00:25:32.960 --> 00:25:35.700
that think they know. And there's just... If

00:25:35.700 --> 00:25:37.480
we sat down and listened to other people and

00:25:37.480 --> 00:25:39.660
understood other people... what they were going

00:25:39.660 --> 00:25:43.920
through. We don't all live the same situation.

00:25:44.380 --> 00:25:46.259
We're all living our lives in our own way. We

00:25:46.259 --> 00:25:48.579
all have different life experiences that form

00:25:48.579 --> 00:25:52.319
our value system, form our perception of life.

00:25:53.000 --> 00:25:55.619
And I want to understand everybody's perception

00:25:55.619 --> 00:25:58.299
on this. I want to understand that. I've changed

00:25:58.299 --> 00:26:01.339
my perceptions on divorce. I remember thinking,

00:26:01.339 --> 00:26:04.720
man, they went through a divorce. Man, that's

00:26:04.720 --> 00:26:07.319
not good. It must be wrong. Something must be

00:26:07.319 --> 00:26:09.900
wrong with them. So having been through it, it's

00:26:09.900 --> 00:26:12.339
like, I'll never judge somebody else again in

00:26:12.339 --> 00:26:15.259
that, or other similar situation. But it's just

00:26:15.259 --> 00:26:18.859
listening and understanding. And you've got to

00:26:18.859 --> 00:26:20.500
get rid of the judgment. You have to get rid

00:26:20.500 --> 00:26:23.180
of judgment. I mean, I love what you're talking

00:26:23.180 --> 00:26:26.339
about here, because what you're saying is part

00:26:26.339 --> 00:26:28.640
of the reason why I wanted our podcast to be

00:26:28.640 --> 00:26:31.579
called what it is, the idea of Yes And. Because

00:26:31.579 --> 00:26:33.059
when you're trying to build a relationship, if

00:26:33.059 --> 00:26:35.140
you will be curious to hear what their perspective

00:26:35.140 --> 00:26:38.279
is, Part of that's validating that perspective

00:26:38.279 --> 00:26:41.380
to say like yes, I hear you right. Mm -hmm not

00:26:41.380 --> 00:26:44.859
saying no. No, I disagree or Yes, but where you're

00:26:44.859 --> 00:26:46.640
you know, we've called the butt sweep right where

00:26:46.640 --> 00:26:48.339
you're really sweeping away what they said Yep,

00:26:48.480 --> 00:26:50.680
given your perspective, but it's the yes. Okay.

00:26:50.740 --> 00:26:52.519
I understand where you're coming from I understand

00:26:52.519 --> 00:26:55.640
what your perspective is and Here's my perspective.

00:26:55.640 --> 00:26:58.119
Here's something that might might give a little

00:26:58.119 --> 00:27:01.519
more color to the situation or also, you know

00:27:01.519 --> 00:27:03.839
Here's something could could build for the future

00:27:03.839 --> 00:27:05.700
built help to build this relationship. And so

00:27:05.980 --> 00:27:08.940
You know, I think as we stay curious and are

00:27:08.940 --> 00:27:11.819
willing to listen to people, it really does help

00:27:11.819 --> 00:27:14.440
build those relationships. But it's also taking

00:27:14.440 --> 00:27:16.799
the time. Like you said, it's taking the time

00:27:16.799 --> 00:27:21.019
to talk to somebody and really listen, ask really

00:27:21.019 --> 00:27:24.880
good questions that are curious questions to

00:27:24.880 --> 00:27:27.559
try to understand them better. And that's not

00:27:27.559 --> 00:27:29.460
always easy for people. I think sometimes it's

00:27:29.460 --> 00:27:32.359
easy just to be lazy, you know? Hey, how's the

00:27:32.359 --> 00:27:35.460
weather? How's your week? you know, that's kind

00:27:35.460 --> 00:27:37.480
of what we all revert to and it's because it's

00:27:37.480 --> 00:27:40.339
easier and it's comfortable. But really willing

00:27:40.339 --> 00:27:42.940
to like find out and ask deeper questions can

00:27:42.940 --> 00:27:45.460
really help to build those relationships. You

00:27:45.460 --> 00:27:48.619
and I both know Dr. Godfrey, right? Superintendent

00:27:48.619 --> 00:27:51.059
for Jordan School District. And we've had the

00:27:51.059 --> 00:27:54.559
privilege the last couple of weeks of giving

00:27:54.559 --> 00:27:56.839
out these educator of the year awards to schools

00:27:56.839 --> 00:27:58.220
in the Jordan School District. And one of the

00:27:58.220 --> 00:28:01.730
things that struck me about Dr. Godfrey, who

00:28:01.730 --> 00:28:03.829
I've known since junior high school, I had him

00:28:03.829 --> 00:28:07.190
as a teacher, is his ability to do that. Every

00:28:07.190 --> 00:28:09.170
time he's given an award, he'll have done his

00:28:09.170 --> 00:28:11.829
homework, he knows why the person's getting the

00:28:11.829 --> 00:28:14.109
award, and he knows what the nominee said about

00:28:14.109 --> 00:28:16.549
them. And so when he's talking to them, he mentions

00:28:16.549 --> 00:28:19.690
it every time. And then when he sits and talks

00:28:19.690 --> 00:28:22.019
with them after... all the pomp and circumstance

00:28:22.019 --> 00:28:24.180
you can see that he's connecting with that person

00:28:24.180 --> 00:28:26.420
and he's done the same thing with me again i

00:28:26.420 --> 00:28:29.839
had him as a teacher like 30 years ago right

00:28:29.839 --> 00:28:32.299
like it was a long time ago every time i've interacted

00:28:32.299 --> 00:28:36.220
with him he acts like we've Stay in close touch

00:28:36.220 --> 00:28:39.000
since then that he'd like makes me feel seen

00:28:39.000 --> 00:28:41.500
right and it's such a gift and it's such a skill

00:28:41.500 --> 00:28:44.680
It's the same thing of why you've been successful

00:28:44.680 --> 00:28:47.059
as a mayor because of that ability in those moments

00:28:47.059 --> 00:28:49.740
to Connect and have somebody feel like you really

00:28:49.740 --> 00:28:52.900
care about them before we jump back in Can I

00:28:52.900 --> 00:28:55.500
ask you a quick favor if you're enjoying the

00:28:55.500 --> 00:28:59.000
journey so far? Will you like rate and subscribe

00:28:59.000 --> 00:29:01.900
to our show it helps us reach more people like

00:29:01.900 --> 00:29:05.420
you? We can design and create and build the most

00:29:05.420 --> 00:29:08.319
wonderful place in the world, but it takes people

00:29:08.319 --> 00:29:12.519
to make the dream a reality. So when we jump

00:29:12.519 --> 00:29:15.559
back to this idea of the Lion King and some lessons

00:29:15.559 --> 00:29:17.859
there, maybe set the stage for us. And I want

00:29:17.859 --> 00:29:19.160
to hear more about the lessons that you learned

00:29:19.160 --> 00:29:21.460
from Lion King. So even though probably most

00:29:21.460 --> 00:29:24.220
people listening will have seen Lion King, set

00:29:24.220 --> 00:29:26.660
the overarching kind of 30 ,000 foot view of

00:29:26.660 --> 00:29:28.240
the storyline. And then I want to hear more about

00:29:28.240 --> 00:29:30.079
the lessons that you learned from specifically

00:29:30.079 --> 00:29:32.500
Mufasa and Lion King. Right. So for me, when

00:29:32.500 --> 00:29:35.000
I watched Mufasa, you know, and I went back,

00:29:35.180 --> 00:29:37.859
it was, for me, it's not even the whole, like,

00:29:37.960 --> 00:29:39.900
I love that Lion King was one of my first, I

00:29:39.900 --> 00:29:41.420
remember that was one of the first Disney movies

00:29:41.420 --> 00:29:45.559
I saw. Early 90s? Yep. In the theater. Loved

00:29:45.559 --> 00:29:47.599
it. Right. But Mufasa's always, there were a

00:29:47.599 --> 00:29:49.890
few scenes I'd always seen in. some quotes from

00:29:49.890 --> 00:29:52.170
Mufas over the years, right? In leadership trainings

00:29:52.170 --> 00:29:54.869
or whatever, right? So just the way that Mufas,

00:29:54.890 --> 00:29:58.829
I remember the first impact was as a dad, right?

00:29:58.829 --> 00:30:01.789
It was how he, you know, when Simba and Nala,

00:30:02.470 --> 00:30:04.329
you know, take off and leave the, you know, go

00:30:04.329 --> 00:30:06.869
to the boneyard or whatever. Yeah, yeah. The

00:30:06.869 --> 00:30:11.029
elephant graveyard. Yes. And, you know, probably

00:30:11.029 --> 00:30:13.009
on the verge of dying, right? Of being, you know,

00:30:13.009 --> 00:30:14.890
and so he shows up and the way he handles that,

00:30:14.890 --> 00:30:17.089
you know, sends Nala home and... you know, and

00:30:17.089 --> 00:30:18.470
then, you know, I'm disappointed, the typical,

00:30:18.609 --> 00:30:21.690
I'm disappointed, but then he took it, took a

00:30:21.690 --> 00:30:24.730
responsibility and that happening as well, letting

00:30:24.730 --> 00:30:28.130
that happen and then immediately, like, you know,

00:30:28.509 --> 00:30:30.309
he could tell, somebody you could tell he was

00:30:30.309 --> 00:30:33.029
disappointed, but it wasn't this angry, it wasn't

00:30:33.029 --> 00:30:36.410
this, it was just that leadership of, I'm disappointed,

00:30:36.549 --> 00:30:38.250
son, but then instantly they started rolling

00:30:38.250 --> 00:30:40.250
around and playing around again, right? And that's,

00:30:40.289 --> 00:30:42.150
I remember my dad being that way and my dad was

00:30:42.150 --> 00:30:45.029
just so, I never felt punished by my parents,

00:30:45.230 --> 00:30:48.400
you know, it was You know that disappointed but

00:30:48.400 --> 00:30:50.799
you can do better type of thing and that's led

00:30:50.799 --> 00:30:52.839
into others You know all sorts of other things

00:30:52.839 --> 00:30:55.660
just about his leadership role how it was about

00:30:55.660 --> 00:30:58.500
I think too many people too many times a leader

00:30:58.500 --> 00:31:00.420
wants to get to the top and be the gatekeeper

00:31:00.420 --> 00:31:04.039
Yeah, right. I think Mufasa for me Mufasa saw

00:31:04.039 --> 00:31:05.859
the bigger picture and his whole goal was to

00:31:05.859 --> 00:31:09.700
elevate everybody around him and Create this,

00:31:09.700 --> 00:31:12.529
you know bring people along it wasn't to As we've

00:31:12.529 --> 00:31:14.609
said, dictate. It wasn't to tell people. It was

00:31:14.609 --> 00:31:17.589
to bring everybody along together and bring that

00:31:17.589 --> 00:31:20.170
whole kingdom together, elevate it all together.

00:31:20.390 --> 00:31:23.150
And that's just some of those things with Mufasa.

00:31:24.569 --> 00:31:26.529
I've looked back, and even I've watched it a

00:31:26.529 --> 00:31:28.029
few more times getting ready for this. I've learned

00:31:28.029 --> 00:31:30.529
more and more from those situations. Just his

00:31:30.529 --> 00:31:35.250
leadership and quiet, just powerful leadership,

00:31:35.410 --> 00:31:39.599
but quiet and just dignity and respect. Just

00:31:39.599 --> 00:31:41.839
such a great movie about leadership. Honestly,

00:31:42.019 --> 00:31:43.819
you know, I think I think we see in there that

00:31:43.819 --> 00:31:46.339
he's showing the respect to the other animals

00:31:46.339 --> 00:31:50.200
in the kingdom right and Obviously, that's the

00:31:50.200 --> 00:31:52.559
example for us is like when we have other people

00:31:52.559 --> 00:31:56.299
we interact with other People in our organization

00:31:56.299 --> 00:32:00.220
our neighbors the people around us showing them

00:32:00.220 --> 00:32:03.440
that respect and understanding the the role they

00:32:03.440 --> 00:32:06.000
play and whatever it is we're doing is So key

00:32:06.000 --> 00:32:08.180
because then we understand the value that they're

00:32:08.180 --> 00:32:09.380
bringing especially when we think about like

00:32:09.380 --> 00:32:12.599
in an organization if somebody is in an organization

00:32:12.599 --> 00:32:15.319
if we understand the greater purpose if there's

00:32:15.319 --> 00:32:18.279
mission clarity right for the organization and

00:32:18.279 --> 00:32:20.299
Then we see the role that people are playing

00:32:20.299 --> 00:32:23.609
in that mission the overall mission boy, it's

00:32:23.609 --> 00:32:25.230
a lot easier to be like, oh, I really value that

00:32:25.230 --> 00:32:27.029
person because I know the role they're playing

00:32:27.029 --> 00:32:29.089
in the organization. Like, that's not something

00:32:29.089 --> 00:32:31.289
that I can do. I don't have that skill. That's

00:32:31.289 --> 00:32:34.549
not me. I can play my role here, but I want to

00:32:34.549 --> 00:32:36.849
be supportive of what they're doing over there

00:32:36.849 --> 00:32:38.589
and what this other person is doing in this other

00:32:38.589 --> 00:32:43.950
place over here. And in a city, I think that's

00:32:43.950 --> 00:32:46.710
also vitally important because like you talked

00:32:46.710 --> 00:32:47.910
about, there's so many different things that

00:32:47.910 --> 00:32:50.829
go into running a city. Like, it's crazy how

00:32:50.829 --> 00:32:54.630
many different things there are. and you have

00:32:54.630 --> 00:32:58.890
to interact with so many different roles, I'm

00:32:58.890 --> 00:33:01.109
sure. What have you learned from that, where

00:33:01.109 --> 00:33:03.329
you've taken these lessons from your past and

00:33:03.329 --> 00:33:04.970
from different things you've learned from, sounds

00:33:04.970 --> 00:33:06.970
like your dad and other things, how has that

00:33:06.970 --> 00:33:10.450
helped you in building the quality relationships

00:33:10.450 --> 00:33:13.650
with the different, even people that are working

00:33:13.650 --> 00:33:17.210
in the city and that need to be able to function,

00:33:17.450 --> 00:33:19.069
have confidence in what they're doing, even if

00:33:19.069 --> 00:33:21.690
they've got problems and stuff? Tell me more

00:33:21.690 --> 00:33:22.970
about the lessons you've learned as you started

00:33:22.970 --> 00:33:24.589
doing that more. Well, one of the first things

00:33:24.589 --> 00:33:27.730
I did when I took office was we were almost all

00:33:27.730 --> 00:33:30.349
new at the time. We had a new management had

00:33:30.349 --> 00:33:32.130
just come in, new city management had just come

00:33:32.130 --> 00:33:34.809
in. We had a pretty new council at the time,

00:33:34.910 --> 00:33:36.630
only a couple of holdovers, so we had some new

00:33:36.630 --> 00:33:40.230
members on council. So really, I recognized that

00:33:40.230 --> 00:33:43.309
we needed people around us as a city. We couldn't,

00:33:43.509 --> 00:33:44.970
all the things we were getting hit up about,

00:33:45.250 --> 00:33:49.009
more roads, more infrastructure. bus routes in

00:33:49.009 --> 00:33:51.930
the city, just all the things I recognize that

00:33:51.930 --> 00:33:54.390
the city can't provide buses, that has to be

00:33:54.390 --> 00:33:56.970
UTA. So I need those relationships with UTA.

00:33:57.609 --> 00:34:00.170
The state has funding sources, I needed those

00:34:00.170 --> 00:34:02.990
relationships with our legislators, with our

00:34:02.990 --> 00:34:05.890
partners. So it instantly became this outreach

00:34:05.890 --> 00:34:09.469
to understanding where the partners were. And

00:34:09.469 --> 00:34:11.869
I saw other leaders around, and of course I won't

00:34:11.869 --> 00:34:13.769
say names, but I saw other leaders around that

00:34:13.769 --> 00:34:17.159
would go into some of these meetings and... super

00:34:17.159 --> 00:34:18.840
critical what they were doing and how they weren't

00:34:18.840 --> 00:34:22.900
doing enough. These are just people, too, just

00:34:22.900 --> 00:34:25.139
doing their best. There's limited resources.

00:34:25.300 --> 00:34:27.639
There's limited money. There's limited time from

00:34:27.639 --> 00:34:30.260
all of us, from all these partners around us.

00:34:30.539 --> 00:34:32.480
And they're just humans, too. They make mistakes.

00:34:32.920 --> 00:34:35.480
So it became this listening, understanding where

00:34:35.480 --> 00:34:39.519
we could have good partners. And for me, it was

00:34:39.519 --> 00:34:41.840
just about collaboration. It just had to be about

00:34:41.840 --> 00:34:44.420
understanding where they were coming from, what

00:34:44.420 --> 00:34:47.849
their role could be. And I watched from four

00:34:47.849 --> 00:34:50.489
years ago when Harriman wasn't, truly this wasn't

00:34:50.489 --> 00:34:52.469
a criticism to anybody before me, but we weren't

00:34:52.469 --> 00:34:54.349
really at the table. Like Harriman wasn't in

00:34:54.349 --> 00:34:56.250
many discussions as far as at the state level

00:34:56.250 --> 00:34:58.369
or at the county level. We weren't getting a

00:34:58.369 --> 00:35:01.369
lot of outside funding. Our staff was amazing

00:35:01.369 --> 00:35:04.030
doing what they could, but for four years before

00:35:04.030 --> 00:35:05.809
me, we had lacked a leader at the top. It was

00:35:05.809 --> 00:35:08.510
kind of this, everybody was doing the best they

00:35:08.510 --> 00:35:10.230
could, but there was this vacuum of leadership

00:35:10.230 --> 00:35:13.690
in the city. And so really, My biggest accomplishment,

00:35:13.889 --> 00:35:15.730
I feel, is four years later, we are at the table

00:35:15.730 --> 00:35:17.849
in almost everything, right? And we don't get

00:35:17.849 --> 00:35:19.590
everything we need out in Harriman. We don't

00:35:19.590 --> 00:35:21.570
get everything we want. We don't agree with everything

00:35:21.570 --> 00:35:23.550
that happens at the state level or at the county

00:35:23.550 --> 00:35:25.969
level. But we're in a much better place in those

00:35:25.969 --> 00:35:28.530
discussions to bring resources to our community.

00:35:29.130 --> 00:35:31.090
That kind of stuff doesn't get seen by residents.

00:35:31.090 --> 00:35:33.769
And I don't expect it to. I don't care, right?

00:35:33.769 --> 00:35:35.030
I really don't. That's not what I'm doing it

00:35:35.030 --> 00:35:38.550
for. But Harriman's now a player in the state.

00:35:38.750 --> 00:35:40.750
We're the 14th biggest city in the state, which

00:35:41.500 --> 00:35:43.760
It's crazy to me that little hair man from when

00:35:43.760 --> 00:35:47.219
I moved out there is now a player But now we're

00:35:47.219 --> 00:35:49.239
looked at we're respected in all the discussion.

00:35:49.280 --> 00:35:51.559
I think one thing that's emblematic and it's

00:35:51.559 --> 00:35:55.940
it's not the only Accomplishment by any stretch.

00:35:55.980 --> 00:35:58.480
I actually just think it's emblematic of being

00:35:58.480 --> 00:36:00.559
at the table, which is the Trader Joe's you got

00:36:00.559 --> 00:36:03.000
Yeah, which sounds silly but like it's a big

00:36:03.000 --> 00:36:05.619
deal. Mm -hmm every city wanted that like one

00:36:05.619 --> 00:36:07.400
city doesn't want Trader Joe's right everyone

00:36:07.400 --> 00:36:10.969
does right and Because because of what you guys

00:36:10.969 --> 00:36:13.849
are building there you were a player at the table

00:36:13.849 --> 00:36:15.969
where that was a possibility and you guys were

00:36:15.969 --> 00:36:19.070
able to land it and That doesn't happen I don't

00:36:19.070 --> 00:36:21.329
think if all those other things aren't happening

00:36:21.329 --> 00:36:23.309
if you're not building those relationships across

00:36:23.309 --> 00:36:26.750
the board To bring to that community the things

00:36:26.750 --> 00:36:29.889
that they want and that they need to help those

00:36:29.889 --> 00:36:32.429
The people in that community thrive. Yeah, I

00:36:32.429 --> 00:36:35.050
look everybody you know, looks back at how did

00:36:35.050 --> 00:36:37.090
you get Trader Joe's? Like honestly, I did not

00:36:37.090 --> 00:36:39.110
talk to Trader Joe's one time. Like I didn't.

00:36:39.110 --> 00:36:42.349
I never had a conversation with them. Like you

00:36:42.349 --> 00:36:44.590
said, we had just created an environment in Harriman

00:36:44.590 --> 00:36:47.230
where everybody wants to be in Harriman. We see

00:36:47.230 --> 00:36:49.269
it with the growth. Everybody loves it out there

00:36:49.269 --> 00:36:51.909
for the most part. There's a lot of, we're on

00:36:51.909 --> 00:36:54.170
track with the businesses. We've been hyper focused

00:36:54.170 --> 00:36:56.750
on supporting our local businesses and supporting

00:36:56.750 --> 00:36:59.429
that. And I think people noticed, I think that's

00:36:59.429 --> 00:37:02.349
what drove Target and Trader Joe's to come. Yeah,

00:37:02.349 --> 00:37:05.150
they saw that excitement going on in our community

00:37:05.150 --> 00:37:08.130
and for sure Absolutely, I think that's I hope

00:37:08.130 --> 00:37:10.010
that that played a role in them. Yeah landing

00:37:10.010 --> 00:37:12.530
in our city Yeah, it's it's just keeps coming

00:37:12.530 --> 00:37:14.630
back to me as we continue to talk It's just so

00:37:14.630 --> 00:37:17.750
much like for me the difference between the leadership

00:37:17.750 --> 00:37:21.230
of Mufasa versus scar. Mm -hmm, right Mufasa

00:37:21.230 --> 00:37:25.010
in helping the circle of life work. Well is what

00:37:25.010 --> 00:37:29.670
helps all facets of their community Function

00:37:29.670 --> 00:37:31.309
correctly right where everybody's striving the

00:37:31.309 --> 00:37:33.389
circle of life's working same thing for Harriman

00:37:33.389 --> 00:37:35.670
Whereas you look at scar and once he becomes

00:37:35.670 --> 00:37:38.070
a leader like it all dies off like it's terrible.

00:37:38.070 --> 00:37:40.929
It's all dark Right is this dominating thing

00:37:40.929 --> 00:37:43.929
people are not valued for their roles and it's

00:37:43.929 --> 00:37:46.289
just really bleak thing But but that's not it's

00:37:46.289 --> 00:37:49.690
not just some story that actually happens in

00:37:49.690 --> 00:37:52.230
in real life when when you have leaders that

00:37:52.230 --> 00:37:55.130
just operate Without relationships that they

00:37:55.130 --> 00:37:57.269
just want to dominate they don't value the other

00:37:57.269 --> 00:38:00.570
component parts to what makes it work it will

00:38:00.570 --> 00:38:04.469
eventually die off and It's very short -sighted

00:38:04.469 --> 00:38:05.949
and it might feel good to somebody because they've

00:38:05.949 --> 00:38:08.389
got power and they can exert that power and you

00:38:08.389 --> 00:38:10.030
know We have this kind of natural man inside.

00:38:10.090 --> 00:38:13.130
It's like oh, I'm powerful When in reality, it's

00:38:13.130 --> 00:38:16.190
the humility of Mufasa It's the humility of leaders

00:38:16.190 --> 00:38:19.610
like you like dr. Godfrey that really helped

00:38:19.610 --> 00:38:21.730
those relationships get built that really helped

00:38:21.730 --> 00:38:24.980
the overall entity function the way that it needs

00:38:24.980 --> 00:38:27.460
to through the collaboration of leadership. One

00:38:27.460 --> 00:38:28.519
more quote I want to read to you. I want to get

00:38:28.519 --> 00:38:31.820
your take on it. Yes, love it. So I think for

00:38:31.820 --> 00:38:35.960
me, one of the most famous quotes in this is

00:38:35.960 --> 00:38:39.519
actually after Mufasa's dead, after Simba goes

00:38:39.519 --> 00:38:42.800
through his exploration, right? Hakuna Matata,

00:38:43.000 --> 00:38:46.340
right? No worries. And then suddenly Rafiki appears

00:38:46.340 --> 00:38:49.500
and leads him to the water where he has this

00:38:49.500 --> 00:38:53.829
interaction with Mufasa's ghost. And then he

00:38:53.829 --> 00:38:56.329
looks up in the sky and Mufasa's go says Simba

00:38:56.329 --> 00:38:59.369
you have forgotten me No, how could I you've

00:38:59.369 --> 00:39:02.590
forgotten who you are and so have forgotten me

00:39:02.590 --> 00:39:04.809
look inside yourself Simba You are more than

00:39:04.809 --> 00:39:06.989
what you have become. You must take your place

00:39:06.989 --> 00:39:09.289
in the circle of life. How can I go back? I'm

00:39:09.289 --> 00:39:12.510
not who I used to be Remember who you are. You

00:39:12.510 --> 00:39:15.690
are my son and the one true king Remember who

00:39:15.690 --> 00:39:20.130
you are It's such a good It's just such a good

00:39:20.130 --> 00:39:22.460
line. Give me your take on that Oh my gosh, right.

00:39:23.340 --> 00:39:25.139
That's a tough one because I go, I don't even

00:39:25.139 --> 00:39:27.119
go to my leadership role in that, you know, in

00:39:27.119 --> 00:39:30.900
the city, in that space. I go back to, you know,

00:39:30.920 --> 00:39:32.659
even going, and maybe this isn't where you were

00:39:32.659 --> 00:39:35.000
going with this, but I look back and where, you

00:39:35.000 --> 00:39:36.159
know, I remember going after going through my

00:39:36.159 --> 00:39:39.159
divorce and then even when I did the stay at

00:39:39.159 --> 00:39:41.960
home dad thing, I thought, well, this is kind

00:39:41.960 --> 00:39:43.679
of, I've plateaued, I've hit, this is going to

00:39:43.679 --> 00:39:45.619
be my life, right? This is, and again, nothing.

00:39:46.119 --> 00:39:48.079
Nothing wrong with it right absolutely nothing

00:39:48.079 --> 00:39:50.539
wrong with it, but it was this acceptance that

00:39:50.539 --> 00:39:53.619
okay life wasn't what I Thought it was gonna

00:39:53.619 --> 00:39:56.099
be and that's we're still happy like we're still

00:39:56.099 --> 00:39:58.860
happy very fortunate very you know blessed in

00:39:58.860 --> 00:40:01.260
every way materially everything so there's no

00:40:01.260 --> 00:40:03.699
want or need there, but it was just this kind

00:40:03.699 --> 00:40:06.460
of acceptance and then as I've grown into this

00:40:06.460 --> 00:40:10.440
role and seeing what we can do as a city like

00:40:10.440 --> 00:40:13.559
Like we can do like there's something more like

00:40:13.559 --> 00:40:15.860
I've realized this new. I don't think I Without

00:40:15.860 --> 00:40:17.639
going through that, I don't think I'm where I

00:40:17.639 --> 00:40:19.579
am today. Yeah. Right. I don't think that now

00:40:19.579 --> 00:40:22.059
I'm still every day I have to look around and

00:40:22.059 --> 00:40:25.539
I do I look around and think we're onto something

00:40:25.539 --> 00:40:27.280
here. We are onto something. Personally, I feel

00:40:27.280 --> 00:40:29.719
like I'm onto something. Our council's onto something.

00:40:29.840 --> 00:40:32.460
Our staff is onto something. Just every day is

00:40:32.460 --> 00:40:34.440
a wind around our city right now, just constantly

00:40:34.440 --> 00:40:37.179
full of winds right now. And it's we've got this

00:40:37.179 --> 00:40:39.900
momentum and this like we are we're seeing ourselves

00:40:39.900 --> 00:40:43.619
in that reflection right now, right? Herman always

00:40:43.619 --> 00:40:45.760
the people out there have always been amazing

00:40:45.760 --> 00:40:50.119
and you know resourceful and Just desire to serve

00:40:50.119 --> 00:40:52.840
and now we're all recognizing it as a community.

00:40:52.880 --> 00:40:55.960
We're all realizing this and so it's just it's

00:40:55.960 --> 00:40:59.219
just that realization that Man, we can do this,

00:40:59.360 --> 00:41:02.340
you know, I can do this Right. It's I still have

00:41:02.340 --> 00:41:03.800
those days, you know, there's still those social

00:41:03.800 --> 00:41:06.460
media comments. Oh sure yesterday I had one just

00:41:06.460 --> 00:41:09.260
even yesterday's, you know Got a this I got my

00:41:09.260 --> 00:41:11.019
first gubernatorial appointment from the governor

00:41:11.019 --> 00:41:12.840
reached out and appointed me to a statewide board

00:41:12.840 --> 00:41:14.619
That that's my first for me kind of a big deal

00:41:14.619 --> 00:41:16.179
for me. Yeah, what board is that? It's called

00:41:16.179 --> 00:41:18.380
the air quality board. Okay, so it's kind of

00:41:18.380 --> 00:41:21.420
a comp, you know Again, some people sure sure,

00:41:21.500 --> 00:41:25.260
you know, it's a why it for me. It's not a partisan

00:41:25.260 --> 00:41:27.300
thing that to me It's I think we look around

00:41:27.300 --> 00:41:30.079
we know that we need yeah to improve our air

00:41:30.079 --> 00:41:31.960
around here But for some winter time our air

00:41:31.960 --> 00:41:34.440
quality is bad in this county, right? But I've

00:41:34.440 --> 00:41:36.769
had pushback about you know, taking this you

00:41:36.769 --> 00:41:39.469
know, liberal role, right? And it's just, anyways,

00:41:39.769 --> 00:41:42.309
so I had somebody pipe up, I did an announcement

00:41:42.309 --> 00:41:44.769
about it, and somebody replied back yesterday,

00:41:44.769 --> 00:41:46.449
said, your voice is polluting the air. Why don't

00:41:46.449 --> 00:41:48.369
you just shut the hell up, right? I'm like, oh,

00:41:48.369 --> 00:41:50.050
goodness. So these, I mean, those are still the

00:41:50.050 --> 00:41:52.590
moments I kind of shudder and think, well, maybe

00:41:52.590 --> 00:41:54.889
I should. But then I have to step back and think,

00:41:55.010 --> 00:41:58.530
no, I've used my voice for too much good. I've

00:41:58.530 --> 00:42:02.429
used my skills for too much good. I can't. I

00:42:02.429 --> 00:42:05.510
think there's a couple of ways to look at this.

00:42:05.550 --> 00:42:06.909
I love your take on that. And I wanted to get

00:42:06.909 --> 00:42:08.989
your take not going and having any kind of preconceived

00:42:08.989 --> 00:42:10.349
notions. I wanted to hear what you had to say

00:42:10.349 --> 00:42:13.210
from it. And I love what you're saying. I mean,

00:42:13.429 --> 00:42:15.510
part of it is the journey we all face much like

00:42:15.510 --> 00:42:18.769
Simba, where sometimes we do forget who we are.

00:42:19.369 --> 00:42:22.869
But we also then start to realize how those experiences

00:42:22.869 --> 00:42:27.170
shape us. I would submit that your experiences

00:42:27.170 --> 00:42:30.539
from Being divorced and co -parenting, your experiences

00:42:30.539 --> 00:42:33.159
from having a career and having it really take

00:42:33.159 --> 00:42:35.619
off and then stepping aside and being a stay

00:42:35.619 --> 00:42:37.880
-at -home dad, right? And then stepping into

00:42:37.880 --> 00:42:41.619
a role. You understand more members of your community

00:42:41.619 --> 00:42:44.199
than someone who had just stayed married the

00:42:44.199 --> 00:42:46.480
entire time, never was a stay -at -home dad,

00:42:46.920 --> 00:42:49.300
never had those experiences, who wouldn't necessarily

00:42:49.300 --> 00:42:51.719
be able to relate to all the people that you

00:42:51.719 --> 00:42:54.739
can. Because experiences doesn't mean that we

00:42:54.739 --> 00:42:56.659
wish a divorce on anybody, right? I said that

00:42:56.659 --> 00:42:58.659
time. Oh, yeah, I got divorced, right? It was

00:42:58.659 --> 00:43:01.679
hard as a divorce attorney. Am I a better divorce

00:43:01.679 --> 00:43:03.340
attorney? So went through a divorce. I actually

00:43:03.340 --> 00:43:05.320
am. Absolutely. I understand it better. I understand

00:43:05.320 --> 00:43:07.239
people going through better. And so you have

00:43:07.239 --> 00:43:08.659
these experiences where now you can understand

00:43:08.659 --> 00:43:10.960
your community and how all the things in your

00:43:10.960 --> 00:43:12.860
community affect the different people in their

00:43:12.860 --> 00:43:15.380
roles. We're in Utah. There's still lots to stay

00:43:15.380 --> 00:43:17.659
home moms. Right? This is still still a thing.

00:43:17.719 --> 00:43:20.579
And so you understanding what that was like?

00:43:20.780 --> 00:43:23.079
what it's like to set aside a career where you

00:43:23.079 --> 00:43:24.960
could have been going for a while there and the

00:43:24.960 --> 00:43:26.320
emotions you went through and what it's like

00:43:26.320 --> 00:43:29.239
to be a stay -at -home parent I think really

00:43:29.239 --> 00:43:31.099
helps to inform and make you a better leader

00:43:31.099 --> 00:43:34.199
and so remembering who you are at the core of

00:43:34.199 --> 00:43:36.659
like I've had these experiences and I was able

00:43:36.659 --> 00:43:38.800
to learn from these experiences that's part of

00:43:38.800 --> 00:43:41.760
it the other component that I love here too is

00:43:41.760 --> 00:43:45.559
also looking at it from the perspective of Mufasa

00:43:45.559 --> 00:43:49.099
in guiding his son to that. You know, when anytime

00:43:49.099 --> 00:43:51.860
we are privileged to have a leadership position

00:43:51.860 --> 00:43:54.820
or leadership role, how are we choosing to guide

00:43:54.820 --> 00:43:57.780
somebody? And can we remind them about their

00:43:57.780 --> 00:43:59.219
value? Because you talked about that earlier.

00:43:59.360 --> 00:44:01.659
You talked about that you just have this small

00:44:01.659 --> 00:44:04.480
role. People need to be able to do their roles

00:44:04.480 --> 00:44:07.900
in the city. And can we elevate them to remind

00:44:07.900 --> 00:44:10.369
them? of what their true worth is, to remind

00:44:10.369 --> 00:44:12.230
them of what the overall mission we're trying

00:44:12.230 --> 00:44:14.369
to accomplish is that they can feel empowered

00:44:14.369 --> 00:44:18.809
to step in to their best self. I said, I think

00:44:18.809 --> 00:44:22.809
it's huge. And it's a great example of both sides

00:44:22.809 --> 00:44:25.750
of that, both Mufasa and Simba, and what that

00:44:25.750 --> 00:44:27.610
together can look like and how that can impact

00:44:27.610 --> 00:44:31.510
people. I love that. OK, so now let's take you

00:44:31.510 --> 00:44:35.929
to a fun section. We're going to do a quick what

00:44:35.929 --> 00:44:39.889
we call this or that. Okay, so you know your

00:44:39.889 --> 00:44:42.869
opinion might be controversial And you're gonna

00:44:42.869 --> 00:44:45.170
have to defend it if it is. Okay, so here we

00:44:45.170 --> 00:44:49.530
go. Okay, Simba or Mufasa? Oh my Mufasa. Yeah,

00:44:49.530 --> 00:44:51.269
I'm figures right at the beginning of the conversation.

00:44:51.349 --> 00:44:52.869
I was like, okay This is probably a softball

00:44:52.869 --> 00:44:54.329
for him because it's gonna be Mufasa, right?

00:44:54.849 --> 00:44:58.550
Okay scar or Hades. Oh my god from Hercules.

00:45:00.730 --> 00:45:07.190
Oh Man Scar I don't know He's a good villain.

00:45:07.429 --> 00:45:10.630
He is. He's tricky. He's conniving. His song,

00:45:10.750 --> 00:45:13.489
Be Prepared, is also like a pretty classic Disney

00:45:13.489 --> 00:45:16.050
villain song. Absolutely. If it could. And just,

00:45:16.309 --> 00:45:18.590
I mean, yeah. Anyway, he stills to show in a

00:45:18.590 --> 00:45:20.469
lot of ways. Sometimes that whole middle section

00:45:20.469 --> 00:45:22.389
of that movie. Anyway. Oh yeah. It's some great

00:45:22.389 --> 00:45:24.349
humor that's laced into it as well. Absolutely.

00:45:25.289 --> 00:45:27.530
Okay. I don't know if you're a big Disneyland

00:45:27.530 --> 00:45:29.489
guy or not, but I threw this question in here.

00:45:29.530 --> 00:45:32.670
We're going to say Disneyland or California Adventure.

00:45:32.889 --> 00:45:36.300
Oh man. You know, it's changed as the, as my,

00:45:36.719 --> 00:45:38.280
I think Disneyland is great for the younger,

00:45:38.440 --> 00:45:41.739
but then as we got, they became teenagers, California

00:45:41.739 --> 00:45:44.579
Adventure was, cause it was the classics over

00:45:44.579 --> 00:45:47.880
in Disneyland. Now it's Midway Mania and, you

00:45:47.880 --> 00:45:50.820
know, and, and Credit Coaster, right? It's, so

00:45:50.820 --> 00:45:53.179
it changed, right? It's morphed over the years.

00:45:53.480 --> 00:45:54.780
So, yeah, it's totally true. I've had that same

00:45:54.780 --> 00:45:57.099
experience. I still got a little, she's still

00:45:57.099 --> 00:45:58.900
five. So there's definitely things in Disneyland

00:45:58.900 --> 00:46:01.619
we still want to do for her, but the rest of

00:46:01.619 --> 00:46:03.039
the kids, oh, it's Disney California Adventure.

00:46:03.239 --> 00:46:06.760
For sure. Like the Spider -Man ride is amazing.

00:46:07.739 --> 00:46:09.940
The Guardians of the Galaxy ride is incredible.

00:46:10.500 --> 00:46:12.000
And we have, so we have a ton of fun over at

00:46:12.000 --> 00:46:13.199
Disney. Soarin'. Soarin'. I could do Soarin'.

00:46:13.199 --> 00:46:15.260
Soarin' is so good. I could ride that every day.

00:46:15.340 --> 00:46:18.139
And apparently, the big news is they're going

00:46:18.139 --> 00:46:23.179
to do an adjustment for the 250th celebration

00:46:23.179 --> 00:46:26.460
of America. And there's going to be a new Soarin'

00:46:26.639 --> 00:46:30.110
over America. Which i'm still to see and i'm

00:46:30.110 --> 00:46:31.530
disappointed because we're going to california

00:46:31.530 --> 00:46:33.929
for spring break in a few weeks Oh, you are and

00:46:33.929 --> 00:46:36.730
we're not doing disney. Oh, you're not my little

00:46:36.730 --> 00:46:38.489
guy wants to do universal So where I feel like

00:46:38.489 --> 00:46:40.829
i'm going to be cheating on disney by being at

00:46:40.829 --> 00:46:43.869
universal, but uh this opportunity to see this

00:46:43.869 --> 00:46:46.610
but Anyway, this is like harry potter. That's

00:46:46.610 --> 00:46:49.150
why he wants to go harry potter and super mario.

00:46:49.150 --> 00:46:51.510
Yeah Oh, and you know what that super mario land

00:46:51.510 --> 00:46:54.130
is great. Have you been there yet? Not yet We

00:46:54.130 --> 00:46:55.929
went like a month after it opened. So there was

00:46:55.929 --> 00:46:59.199
still some kinks and yet It was phenomenal. They

00:46:59.199 --> 00:47:01.460
actually did a great job with it. And then have

00:47:01.460 --> 00:47:03.219
you been to the Harry Potter area in Universal?

00:47:03.539 --> 00:47:05.719
Yep. The butter beer there? Unreal. Get out of

00:47:05.719 --> 00:47:08.380
town. It's so good. Yes. And like, it's not,

00:47:08.480 --> 00:47:09.900
I've had it in some other places and it's not

00:47:09.900 --> 00:47:13.579
the same. We went to the, what is it? The Cursed

00:47:13.579 --> 00:47:16.980
Child, the play in New York City. And so they

00:47:16.980 --> 00:47:18.559
have butter beer. They serve there in a bottle.

00:47:18.840 --> 00:47:22.119
Oh no. Like, it was terrible. Horrible. Give

00:47:22.119 --> 00:47:24.780
me that Butterbeer Universal. That was amazing.

00:47:24.980 --> 00:47:27.860
And they had the regular and the frozen version,

00:47:28.059 --> 00:47:31.780
right? Like the slushy version. And you got me

00:47:31.780 --> 00:47:35.000
wanting to go to Universal now. Love that. Okay,

00:47:35.260 --> 00:47:40.059
zoo or aquarium? Oh, man. Depends on the kind

00:47:40.059 --> 00:47:42.840
of time of year. Totally true. Like, aquarium

00:47:42.840 --> 00:47:44.480
is a winter thing for us. And then the zoo is

00:47:44.480 --> 00:47:46.800
the summer thing. Have you been to the new section

00:47:46.800 --> 00:47:49.840
of the aquarium here? That they just opened up?

00:47:50.159 --> 00:47:53.460
Oh, man. It's really cool. Fun area. It is fun.

00:47:53.920 --> 00:47:56.579
I'm still impressed that with this addition they

00:47:56.579 --> 00:47:59.000
did fifth largest aquarium in the United States

00:47:59.000 --> 00:48:02.340
in a landlocked state in Utah. It's like, are

00:48:02.340 --> 00:48:04.039
you serious? That's amazing. And I remember where

00:48:04.039 --> 00:48:06.500
they started in that old grocery store over in

00:48:06.500 --> 00:48:08.960
Sandy. Well, and in fact, where they actually

00:48:08.960 --> 00:48:11.579
started was out of the back of his van. Oh, I

00:48:11.579 --> 00:48:12.880
heard that. I've heard that story. Out of the

00:48:12.880 --> 00:48:15.639
back of his van, he just was passionate about

00:48:15.639 --> 00:48:18.389
taking animals to students. and would drive all

00:48:18.389 --> 00:48:21.570
over the state doing it. And then that's like,

00:48:21.610 --> 00:48:23.349
it just blows my mind that that's where it came.

00:48:23.409 --> 00:48:25.530
Talk about having like a mission clarity, right?

00:48:25.849 --> 00:48:28.130
And be able to build from there. He's a great

00:48:28.130 --> 00:48:33.130
leader. Beach or forest? Oh, beach. I love the

00:48:33.130 --> 00:48:35.690
beach. I love me a beach. Okay, now this next

00:48:35.690 --> 00:48:38.150
question is based off of our experience a couple

00:48:38.150 --> 00:48:40.449
of days ago. So I threw this one in, also knowing

00:48:40.449 --> 00:48:43.730
that you speak Spanish. Tacos or enchiladas?

00:48:44.090 --> 00:48:47.900
Oh. Enchiladas, I'm a okay. Let's go on a guy

00:48:47.900 --> 00:48:50.900
covered Covered in cheese and enchilada sauce

00:48:50.900 --> 00:48:54.119
and yeah, I'm not a come not a I'm a picky eater

00:48:54.119 --> 00:48:55.719
in some way So I don't do lettuce and tomato.

00:48:55.719 --> 00:48:58.139
I I can do lettuce and tomato separate Okay,

00:48:58.159 --> 00:49:00.599
but not on a brewer not on a taco. So my tacos

00:49:00.599 --> 00:49:03.219
just a plain Yeah, not just a hard shell and

00:49:03.219 --> 00:49:05.440
yeah, so my enchilada. Okay, isn't you have to

00:49:05.440 --> 00:49:06.880
worry about that? Yes, and he's got a dream.

00:49:06.940 --> 00:49:09.940
She's a bunch of goodness a lot of oh, yeah Yes,

00:49:09.940 --> 00:49:11.800
it's yeah. Yes, Angela's one when I have her

00:49:11.800 --> 00:49:14.139
lunch today. I can already tell I love it. Okay.

00:49:14.139 --> 00:49:16.699
Here's our rapid fire Okay, so first thing that

00:49:16.699 --> 00:49:21.260
comes to mind. Okay, okay favorite Disney movie

00:49:21.260 --> 00:49:25.719
Mighty Ducks. Oh Such a good one. Oh and when

00:49:25.719 --> 00:49:29.260
we were growing up Mighty Ducks was Incredible

00:49:29.260 --> 00:49:31.119
all we talked like I just want I wanted to play

00:49:31.119 --> 00:49:32.900
hockey. Yep. I was like, yeah, let me do the

00:49:32.900 --> 00:49:34.860
flying V I want to be on that one to be scoring

00:49:34.860 --> 00:49:38.239
that goal, right? Great movie. Yep favorite Disney

00:49:38.239 --> 00:49:42.780
song Oh my gosh. Hakuna Matata is up there, honestly.

00:49:42.840 --> 00:49:44.960
It's a good one. But man, they're so singable.

00:49:45.400 --> 00:49:48.360
Aladdin. Some Aladdin songs. And then Pocahontas,

00:49:49.059 --> 00:49:51.000
The Color of the Wind. I heard that the other

00:49:51.000 --> 00:49:53.659
day again. I don't know. It resonated the other

00:49:53.659 --> 00:49:56.139
day. It's a very good song. It was about what?

00:49:56.420 --> 00:49:58.639
A lot going on. Anyways. Yeah. So great songs.

00:49:59.079 --> 00:50:06.289
Favorite Disney princess. Oh my gosh. Boy. Jasmine.

00:50:06.789 --> 00:50:08.349
Jasmine's great. Jasmine. Look, when we were

00:50:08.349 --> 00:50:10.469
growing up, yeah, I mean, Aladdin and Jasmine,

00:50:10.829 --> 00:50:13.389
dude, they were cool. And she was cute, right?

00:50:13.489 --> 00:50:14.650
I'm admitting it. When I was a kid, I was like,

00:50:14.670 --> 00:50:17.449
oh, Jasmine. Yes, and I had a sister who was

00:50:17.449 --> 00:50:18.829
12 years younger than me to the day. And what

00:50:18.829 --> 00:50:20.389
I remember is she won another princess. So I

00:50:20.389 --> 00:50:21.650
remember that was the first one I bought her,

00:50:21.710 --> 00:50:23.630
was the little figurine. Oh, that's cute. That

00:50:23.630 --> 00:50:25.510
was the first one I bought her. So that will

00:50:25.510 --> 00:50:27.449
always be something. Oh, absolutely. Have a special

00:50:27.449 --> 00:50:30.309
place, for sure. It's the nostalgia, right? Favorite

00:50:30.309 --> 00:50:36.260
Disney hero or heroine? Oh, my word. Whoo, man,

00:50:36.260 --> 00:50:39.119
these are good. I love Buzz Lightyear. I go to

00:50:39.119 --> 00:50:41.079
the Toy Story. That's my year. My that was a

00:50:41.079 --> 00:50:44.039
different Pixar came that was a whole other You

00:50:44.039 --> 00:50:46.579
know the Buzz Lightyear Woody like Woody probably

00:50:46.579 --> 00:50:48.440
actually Woody and that actually more than buzz

00:50:48.440 --> 00:50:50.940
Oh, you know Woody Woody goes through a really

00:50:50.940 --> 00:50:53.800
good like hero's journey. Mm -hmm now he really

00:50:53.800 --> 00:50:55.559
does where he has to grow because he is the leader

00:50:55.559 --> 00:50:59.059
he's the undisputed leader and Yet he has to

00:50:59.059 --> 00:51:02.300
grow to be able to appreciate What everybody

00:51:02.300 --> 00:51:04.780
else can contribute and how he can lead more

00:51:04.780 --> 00:51:08.699
effectively? Yeah Yep, and he does too, right?

00:51:08.760 --> 00:51:12.800
Yep. Okay last two And this is not Disney related

00:51:12.800 --> 00:51:18.619
favorite book. Oh my word favorite book Honestly,

00:51:18.760 --> 00:51:21.800
it's da Vinci code like I go back I'm a kind

00:51:21.800 --> 00:51:24.320
of a history that way I like that kind of history

00:51:24.320 --> 00:51:26.900
but with the mystery like I don't know that book

00:51:26.900 --> 00:51:29.219
I've read several times. Love it Super good.

00:51:29.239 --> 00:51:31.199
Did you read angels and demons? Love that book,

00:51:31.260 --> 00:51:33.980
too So I'd read I had read Da Vinci Code and

00:51:33.980 --> 00:51:36.119
loved it and loved the movie and then when I

00:51:36.119 --> 00:51:40.500
was driving back from law school at Waco Cuz

00:51:40.500 --> 00:51:42.400
I had to drive back when law school was done

00:51:42.400 --> 00:51:45.579
with all of our stuff Technically we got wise

00:51:45.579 --> 00:51:48.159
in the way back which is we had 18 wheeler take

00:51:48.159 --> 00:51:49.820
this stuff back to his head rubber car, right?

00:51:50.039 --> 00:51:52.559
It was a long drive and my ex -wife at the time.

00:51:52.559 --> 00:51:55.300
She did not love driving. Mm -hmm. And so I had

00:51:55.300 --> 00:51:58.420
to drive the whole way and I put Angels and Demons

00:51:58.420 --> 00:52:02.519
on audio CD and the drive was a breeze because

00:52:02.519 --> 00:52:05.059
I was so into it the whole drive. It's a long

00:52:05.059 --> 00:52:07.599
drive but it made it go so much better because

00:52:07.599 --> 00:52:10.079
Dan Brown's a very good writer. You just get

00:52:10.079 --> 00:52:11.320
sucked right in that story and then you just

00:52:11.320 --> 00:52:13.219
can't edge your seat can't wait till it's happening

00:52:13.219 --> 00:52:15.159
next. We'd stop for like gas or something like

00:52:15.159 --> 00:52:19.280
couldn't wait to get back in the car. Oh I love

00:52:19.280 --> 00:52:21.980
that. Okay and the last one ultimate dinner guest

00:52:21.980 --> 00:52:25.648
dead or alive. Oh my word. You know again I didn't

00:52:25.639 --> 00:52:29.000
I wasn't a big politics guy, but I always wanted

00:52:29.000 --> 00:52:32.400
to hear the perspective of, I don't know why,

00:52:32.420 --> 00:52:37.059
but John F. Kennedy. I look back and I wish it

00:52:37.059 --> 00:52:39.840
kills me hard that he lost his life so young.

00:52:40.019 --> 00:52:43.159
I think he had so much, but just I would love

00:52:43.159 --> 00:52:45.659
to have understood his, I love his early life.

00:52:45.739 --> 00:52:48.900
I love his story. I've always wanted to hear

00:52:48.900 --> 00:52:50.920
more about him and wish he would have been around

00:52:50.920 --> 00:52:54.699
more to tell more of his story. We went to Arlington.

00:52:56.199 --> 00:52:58.519
cemetery on a way back from a Disney cruise,

00:52:58.719 --> 00:53:01.239
wouldn't you know? Right. And we flew through

00:53:01.239 --> 00:53:04.139
DC, but we had a layover about 10 hours. And

00:53:04.139 --> 00:53:06.059
so we took the kids because they'd never been

00:53:06.059 --> 00:53:07.860
there just to a few things in time we had and

00:53:07.860 --> 00:53:09.579
one of them was Arlington Cemetery where he's

00:53:09.579 --> 00:53:11.639
buried. And I was kind of explaining to them

00:53:11.639 --> 00:53:13.320
like, you know, this was the present we had and

00:53:13.320 --> 00:53:16.059
he got killed in his office. And it was cool

00:53:16.059 --> 00:53:17.800
for my kids to be like, you know, kind of be

00:53:17.800 --> 00:53:19.800
very respectful of what that was and all the

00:53:19.800 --> 00:53:21.280
other things that were there. We saw the tomb

00:53:21.280 --> 00:53:24.059
of the unknown soldier. um the thing that they

00:53:24.059 --> 00:53:26.139
do there it was just this really sobering experience

00:53:26.139 --> 00:53:27.800
but also like a great experience for my kids

00:53:27.800 --> 00:53:30.360
to have that surprisingly they really liked and

00:53:30.360 --> 00:53:34.000
appreciated that's really good um okay so to

00:53:34.000 --> 00:53:35.920
kind of kind of wrap up here i mean what i what

00:53:35.920 --> 00:53:38.360
i love about our conversation uh mayor is is

00:53:38.360 --> 00:53:41.599
just how i think you've really highlighted well

00:53:41.599 --> 00:53:45.019
the importance of building the relationships

00:53:45.019 --> 00:53:47.340
in a way that helps people feel heard and seen

00:53:47.340 --> 00:53:50.449
that helps people feel validated that You get

00:53:50.449 --> 00:53:52.989
really curious about what they've got going on

00:53:52.989 --> 00:53:54.829
and what their lives are like and what their

00:53:54.829 --> 00:53:57.630
experiences are like. And when you do that, that's

00:53:57.630 --> 00:53:59.210
where I think is the difference in being able

00:53:59.210 --> 00:54:01.150
to build relationships. People who are those

00:54:01.150 --> 00:54:03.150
networkers that we all kind of cringe at are

00:54:03.150 --> 00:54:05.590
people who are not curious. You know they want

00:54:05.590 --> 00:54:07.090
something from you. You know they're going to

00:54:07.090 --> 00:54:11.530
be a taker. And takers are tough. And the way

00:54:11.530 --> 00:54:13.170
that we can effectively build relationships is

00:54:13.170 --> 00:54:15.710
don't be a taker. Just, you know, be curious.

00:54:16.309 --> 00:54:17.909
You know, want to look at the contributions that

00:54:17.909 --> 00:54:20.269
we're making. much like Ken Mufasa did, where

00:54:20.269 --> 00:54:22.690
he understood the circle of life. He understood

00:54:22.690 --> 00:54:25.650
how all the component parts work together, and

00:54:25.650 --> 00:54:27.710
then was able to effectively have conversations,

00:54:27.989 --> 00:54:30.590
you know, where he still had a hold to a standard,

00:54:30.789 --> 00:54:32.670
like with somebody had a hold of standard, they

00:54:32.670 --> 00:54:34.809
showed an increase in love and kindness afterwards,

00:54:35.070 --> 00:54:36.849
right? I think was really key. Yep. So if you

00:54:36.849 --> 00:54:40.170
were to give people three actionable takeaways

00:54:40.170 --> 00:54:41.690
based on some of the things we were talking about,

00:54:41.789 --> 00:54:44.989
three things that they could put into practice

00:54:44.989 --> 00:54:49.070
today, or this week to build better relationships,

00:54:49.909 --> 00:54:51.969
to be able to have better influence in the positions

00:54:51.969 --> 00:54:54.570
they have, to have a greater sense of belonging.

00:54:54.989 --> 00:54:57.329
What would those three things be? Love that.

00:54:58.269 --> 00:55:01.449
First one for me is have a conversation with

00:55:01.449 --> 00:55:04.050
somebody you don't agree with. Like just have

00:55:04.050 --> 00:55:06.269
a conversation with, because it's hard, it's

00:55:06.269 --> 00:55:09.369
absolutely hard, but have that conversation and

00:55:09.369 --> 00:55:11.909
do your, use your, I love your little intro,

00:55:12.010 --> 00:55:15.030
your yes and. Don't blow it off, listen. Just

00:55:15.030 --> 00:55:18.230
try to understand what their perspective is.

00:55:19.170 --> 00:55:21.289
If you have one of those a week, honestly, I

00:55:21.289 --> 00:55:22.889
try to put myself in one of those situations

00:55:22.889 --> 00:55:25.650
once a week. So have those. Sit down with somebody

00:55:25.650 --> 00:55:28.329
you don't necessarily agree with. Two is just

00:55:28.329 --> 00:55:30.349
live outside yourself. You just have to live

00:55:30.349 --> 00:55:33.449
outside yourself. Constantly serve. It goes back

00:55:33.449 --> 00:55:36.429
to my mission. I remember when I was on the mission.

00:55:36.869 --> 00:55:38.429
If you have a companion you don't agree with

00:55:38.429 --> 00:55:41.469
or struggle with, serve somebody. Just get outside

00:55:41.469 --> 00:55:43.610
yourself. If you're going through something hard,

00:55:44.130 --> 00:55:46.090
Don't focus on yourself. Like I think it's easy

00:55:46.090 --> 00:55:47.190
when we're going through something hard. Don't

00:55:47.190 --> 00:55:50.250
focus on yourself Serve get outside yourself

00:55:50.250 --> 00:55:52.190
and realize that somebody else is going through

00:55:52.190 --> 00:55:54.570
something Probably even harder than you and I

00:55:54.570 --> 00:55:56.210
think that puts in a perspective so perspective

00:55:56.210 --> 00:55:59.769
and then it's just Being real. What's the word?

00:55:59.829 --> 00:56:03.170
There was a genuine being genuine Just anybody

00:56:03.170 --> 00:56:04.849
can tell when you're not being genuine with them.

00:56:04.969 --> 00:56:07.250
I believe that you got to be real You got to

00:56:07.250 --> 00:56:09.989
be genuine and if you're don't be fake because

00:56:09.989 --> 00:56:12.199
people will see through that You've got to be

00:56:12.199 --> 00:56:13.579
genuine when you're meeting with somebody, when

00:56:13.579 --> 00:56:15.719
you're talking to somebody, when they're bringing

00:56:15.719 --> 00:56:18.380
something up. They're coming from a place of

00:56:18.380 --> 00:56:20.920
their perspective. They're coming from a place

00:56:20.920 --> 00:56:23.599
that we laugh that sometimes somebody is concerned

00:56:23.599 --> 00:56:26.320
about a pothole in their city. For us, we deal

00:56:26.320 --> 00:56:28.440
with those all day, every day. But for them,

00:56:28.460 --> 00:56:30.719
if it's in their neighborhood, that's a real

00:56:30.719 --> 00:56:33.300
issue for that person. That's their life every

00:56:33.300 --> 00:56:35.679
day. So you've got to be real with people. And

00:56:35.679 --> 00:56:39.019
you've got to just understand that's their reality.

00:56:39.550 --> 00:56:42.010
And that's what you've got to try to help with

00:56:42.010 --> 00:56:44.929
their situation. Fantastic. Oh, it's been such

00:56:44.929 --> 00:56:46.849
a great conversation, Mayor. I really appreciate

00:56:46.849 --> 00:56:48.369
you taking the time. I know you've got a lot

00:56:48.369 --> 00:56:50.329
going and you're probably have a whole lot more

00:56:50.329 --> 00:56:52.989
today as you're doing a lot of things and preparing

00:56:52.989 --> 00:56:56.329
things. But I really appreciate your perspective

00:56:56.329 --> 00:56:58.510
and you know what I've learned through the conversation

00:56:58.510 --> 00:57:03.079
today about how I can. Be more genuine in in

00:57:03.079 --> 00:57:04.940
the relationships that I have and that I'm trying

00:57:04.940 --> 00:57:07.179
to build and how I can try to Connect better

00:57:07.179 --> 00:57:09.599
and really focusing on that person and letting

00:57:09.599 --> 00:57:11.980
that conversation when I am be really with them

00:57:11.980 --> 00:57:13.639
I think it's really easy for me to sometimes

00:57:13.639 --> 00:57:15.000
get distracted with a lot of things that I got

00:57:15.000 --> 00:57:18.019
going But just taking those moments like really

00:57:18.019 --> 00:57:20.739
focus on on those individuals and build those

00:57:20.739 --> 00:57:22.980
relationships and collaborate So really appreciate

00:57:22.980 --> 00:57:26.519
your time today. Thank you. It's been fun As

00:57:26.519 --> 00:57:29.380
you lead this conversation remember that yes

00:57:29.380 --> 00:57:32.059
the past can hurt and you can either run from

00:57:32.059 --> 00:57:35.420
it or you can learn from it. So here's to learning

00:57:35.420 --> 00:57:38.820
and finding joy in the journey. See you real

00:57:38.820 --> 00:57:39.039
soon.