Encanto and Breaking Free From Perfectionism | Angie White on Self-Worth

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What did being a perfectionist look like for

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you? It looked like not disappointing people,

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living up to a role that I was told was my role

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and what I accepted fully as my role. Understanding

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your value as a person, that it was inherent,

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right? Much like Mirabelle had to learn, like

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the gift is me. You don't have to have some other

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special gift. The gift is like who I am. I kind

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of went past the... where you're supposed to

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go past the reef and it was hard and it was yeah

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no one goes beyond the reef right that's what

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her dad says right like no can't do it she's

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like no i got it when i self -abandon i feel

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anxious and angry but it's because i'm not being

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myself i'm not being true to myself this time

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i'm thinking i have something to offer and i

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can help having people be angry with me isn't

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as devastating as it used to be welcome to yes

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and land where we say yes to the reality of yesterday

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and today, and we say and to the possibility,

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growth, and imagination of tomorrow. Well, welcome,

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everybody, to our next episode of Yes and Land.

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Very excited about our guest today, Angie White,

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with Jawies and COO over there. That's your role,

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correct? That's right. pretty awesome and she's

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also very humble um and doesn't want to take

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any praise for it but you don't get to be a role

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like that somewhere without having exceptional

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skills and i want to talk with her today about

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her journey to get there and what it what it

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looked like to overcome some trials and overcome

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some things in her life working through things

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like failures or self -doubt um and people that

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helped you along the way because we never do

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things alone right And we're going to talk about

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a few different movies today. It's going to be

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a good time. We're going to talk about Mulan,

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which is one of my faves. Absolutely love Mulan.

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Whenever we talk about like favorite Disney heroes,

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she is pretty high on my list. She's pretty amazing.

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It's very rewatchable, that movie, for me as

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well. Watched it with my kids not too long ago

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and just loved it. We're also going to talk about

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Encanto, which actually is my favorite Disney

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movie. I know it's recency bias, Angie. It totally

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is, but I love it. I think it's mine too. It's

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so good. Yeah. And who knows? We might go some

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other paths, too. We might talk about some other

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characters. We might even talk about Moana. Who

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knows? We're going to see where it takes us.

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I'm a big Disney fan. Good. This will be great,

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then, because so am I. We'll enjoy our Disney

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nerddom as we talk today. One thing I wanted

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to ask you about, we talked a little in the pre

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-show about, but like, tell me about this house

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in Florida you have and what view you have. Okay.

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We feel really lucky and we didn't buy it for

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this, but it's on a lake. And at night you can

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see the Magic Kingdom fireworks from the back

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patio. Unbelievable. Yeah. That is so cool. I

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saw some memes. So we're recording this just

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after July 4th. And I saw some memes leading

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up to July 4th that just made me laugh where

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it was like. July 4th is when, you know, you

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go enjoy all your local fireworks, but you think,

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nah, it's not Disney. And I'm always like, I

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do love fireworks. But there's something about

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watching a Disney fireworks show, especially

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if you can hear the music. And we can't, but

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we can see them. But it reminds you of, you know,

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probably what that is. You know, when you're

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actually in the park, seeing it, watching the

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projections they do on the castle, that whole

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production. Magical, of course. It is, yep. Okay,

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so I want to kind of roll it back and talk a

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little bit about young Angie. And one of the

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things that you've mentioned as we've talked

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in the past is maybe you were a little bit of

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a perfectionist. Yes. So tell me what that looked

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like when you were growing up. What did being

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a perfectionist look like for you? It looked

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like not disappointing people and kind of living

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up to a role. that I was told was my role and

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what I accepted fully as my role. And I think

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because I get embarrassed easily and I don't

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like to, I get my face goes red. And so I really

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was trying to avoid embarrassment, but also I'm

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a high achiever. I want to achieve things, set

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goals. And so my perfectionism was more, i i

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set good goals like high achieving goals yeah

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um i've i've run marathons and i kind of use

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this as an example i don't win marathon win marathons

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but i run them sure and the reason i did that

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is because you can follow a schedule i'm disciplined

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you can follow a schedule and do the training

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and if you do that you'll run a marathon and

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i'm a firm believer in that yeah you do the training

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i would never show up and not prepare and so

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That's something I'm not afraid of hard work.

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I'm not afraid of discipline and setting my mind

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to something, which could be a good goal. Yeah.

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And then achieving that goal. But I would never

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say I should win a marathon. Sure. You know,

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because that's a little too high. Does that make

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sense? It does. And it leads to my next question,

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which is when you have perfectionism, I do think

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it's one of those traits that is a blessing and

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a curse at times. In what ways do you feel like,

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especially in your younger years, did any of

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that perfectionism hold you back from something?

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And that's exactly where I was held back because

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I wouldn't set goals that I could fail at. So

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I wanted to be a nurse at one point, and I started

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college. and started the prerequisites to become

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a nurse. And it was a really competitive field

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to get in to the program where I was attending

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school. And instead of saying, well, I'm going

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to do this, and there's a chance I could fail,

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I just changed my mind to what I was going to

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do. I decided not to do it and pursue that. Because

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what if they don't accept me to the program?

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Then I failed. And that's where my perfectionism

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held me back. I didn't choose goals that I could

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fail at. What was it about failure that held

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you back? What was it you worried about with

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that? I think it would say something about my

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worth, ultimately. That it would say that I'm

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not good or... Because I had a lot of self -doubt.

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Sure. and um and i was very i'm i'm a competitive

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person strangely enough but i i just i i think

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it was just all about my worth it would say well

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you're not smart enough you're not good enough

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yeah you know in in in reviewing some things

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kind of preparing for this episode i went back

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and looked at some scenes in kanto and there's

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a few that apply here but we'll kind of take

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some of them one by one. I want to get your kind

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of take on some of these. And there's one that's

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right at the beginning, right? You have the song,

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The Family Madrigal, which is just such a fun

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song, right? Part of it's like the genius of

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Lin -Manuel Miranda, that he needs to introduce

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all these characters, but he does so in classic

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Lin style of the way that he does the song. And

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you just feel like it's just an amazing song.

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And yet, really, what they're doing is just setting

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the stage for who everybody is, so you understand,

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because it's a big old family. There's a lot

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of characters to navigate in the show. It's so

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brilliant. So at the end of this song, right,

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they're getting to the point where all these

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kids want to know what her gift is, right? And

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somebody's coming to bring some stuff. A townsperson's

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coming to bring some stuff for this big party

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they're going to have. And it kind of is revealed

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that she doesn't have a gift. And this is kind

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of the exchange, right? One of the kids says,

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you didn't get a gift? And there's a couple of

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other exchanges back and forth. And then another

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kid says, if I was you, I'd be really sad. And

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she says, well, my little friend, I am not because

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the truth is gift or no gift. I am just as special

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as the rest of my family. And then the kid says,

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maybe your gift is being in denial. Like, oh,

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it's brutal, right? Like right from the get go,

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it's brutal. And really, she's just masking at

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this stage. I mean, you can really see that in

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reality, she didn't like fully embrace that and

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believe that. And so, like, what's kind of your

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take here on this journey that Mirabel is experiencing

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with feeling less than or feeling like, you know,

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she's kind of the one on the outside because

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she can't do what other people in her family

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can't do? Yeah, I relate to that. I have, you

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know, at that in a young age, you're kind of

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comparing yourself to this small circle you have.

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So your siblings, your friends, and I have really

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impressive siblings. My dad would say certain

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things about each sibling. And I had something

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he said about me. But it wasn't something I wanted

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to be the smart one. I wanted him to say, oh,

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you're so smart. I wanted him to focus on other

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things, not what he focused on. And my dad's

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a great dad. This is something I realized as

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I got older. And then even my friends there,

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you know, you think about all your friends and

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the things that they're incredible at. Maybe

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they're in the gifted and talented program. Again,

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it all comes down to wanting to be smart, I think,

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for me. And I think I am. But I was kind of I

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I that's a quality I really admire in people

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is just, you know, you know, someone who's really

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good in school or whatever. Um, so I think, I

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think that that's, that's what I could relate

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to with her is just looking around, seeing all

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these impressive people and thinking, oh, that's

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not me. Maybe focusing more on what I'm not than

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what I am. Cause that's what she did. Right.

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Because in one of the songs that comes after

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that, um, you know, she sings a song that she's

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waiting on a miracle. Right. She's like talking

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about all these things that her family does are

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so amazing. She's like. just over here waiting

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like where's where's my gift where's my miracle

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like why is it just me and she hasn't at that

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point in time in the show understood at all what

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her true worth is right and so it's it's holding

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her back and her ability to step into that power

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because she has it it's there right and it's

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later revealed in the show that she of course

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does um but then it's also just creating a lot

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a lot more you know friction with her and her

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siblings too right like with isabella like creates

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lots of friction there um so you know when we

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look at you know this idea that failures can

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the idea of a failure can really hold us back

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it's kind of this fear of a failure and fear

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of maybe not good being good enough um one of

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the things that um i was i was looking at with

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this as well as a quote from brene brown right

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she's amazing yeah and you know and It's a little

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bit more in the line of rather than who we are,

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also taking a look at what our actions are and

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what actions we take. One of the things that

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she said, this is a really famous thing that

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she said from Daring Greatly. She said, guilt

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means I did something bad. Shame means I am bad.

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and how many times do we unfortunately fall into

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that idea of shame right like i am bad as opposed

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to like i did something bad right i feel guilty

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for that i should right i did something that's

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wrong but it's not who i am right and so when

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you're experiencing during kind of your grown

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-up years and this idea of kind of holding yourself

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back a little bit for the fear of failures did

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you ever battle with that a little bit of like

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trying to avoid shame, not feeling like you were

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a bad person, not feeling like you were less

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than. Was that anything you ever had to kind

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of combat or battle? Oh, yeah. Yeah, I was a

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very obedient child. I followed every rule. I

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would have guessed. That's what I was guessing.

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Yeah. And I even tell people as an adult, I am

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such a rule follower. Someone was trying to get

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me to break a rule. I'm like, are you trying

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to get me to do this? And I send the sweating

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face emoji and she's like, well, you know, it

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was just really funny. And, and I like, even

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to this day, I'm just such a rule follower. I'm

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not going to break a rule because I, I do, I,

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I, I would think I am bad. Yeah. Yeah. And, and.

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How do you navigate the difference there, though,

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between like doing the right things and following

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the rules is good, right? It's not bad to do

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that. That's actually a good thing. But doing

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it because it's who you are as opposed to the

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avoidance of shame for doing it. Yeah. And I

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think, too, there's an element of conformity.

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And I really I tell people that are rule breakers.

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I'm like. i am impressed i am impressed with

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safe rule breakers right and and so there's this

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part of me especially as a child and growing

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most of my adult life too i have been i've conformed

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i've followed the rules i've tried to live up

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to everyone's expectations of me and my evolution

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and when i was doing that there's a level of

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safety For sure. But there's also some self -abandonment

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that I didn't realize until after I started not

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conforming as much and not making it where I

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had to please everybody. And having people be

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angry with me isn't as devastating as it used

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to be if I'm confident in my decision. Yeah.

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Right? Like, I don't want to rile anyone up,

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but I also want to stand up for myself or what

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I think should be stood up for. Yeah. And that

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doesn't make people happy, especially when you've

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always been a conformer. Absolutely. And so that

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was probably a hard thing. What was your inflection

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point for that? What was the experience you had,

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if you could point to one, where that really

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started to turn for you? could worry a little

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bit less about what somebody else thought and

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just do more of what you thought was the right

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thing and what you wanted to in that situation

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yeah it was very gradual but then when you look

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back you can kind of see signs pointing to it

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and um i i i would feel very angry i would feel

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trapped and i but i also wanted to be a sweet

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person or good a good girl or you know, there's

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all these things that I It is it was such a conflict

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of I think I'm a wild like I I am always trying

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to capture and bring back this I always think

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of eight -year -old me and She had frizzy red

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hair Maybe I was five or six, actually. I was

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younger, probably. And frizzy red hair and running

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around the neighborhood, bossing everyone around,

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telling everyone what we're doing. And people

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were following me. And I had a strawberry shortcake

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swimsuit. Like, this is who I conjure up in my

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mind when I'm trying to be brave. Sure. Because

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I pushed that little girl down. When I started

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to feel embarrassment and shame and needing to

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follow rules and conform, I abandoned. I think

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we hear about that a lot. I don't think that's

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unusual. And so I carried that into my teenage

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years, well into adulthood, where I have this

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wildness in me. But when I ignore it, I call

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it self -abandonment now. And when I self -abandon,

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I feel anxious and angry. But it's because I'm

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not being myself. I'm not being true to myself.

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And I've had to learn that that doesn't mean

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stepping on people or being mean or, you know.

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Sure. There's a way to be yourself and also be

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respectful of others. Totally. So. You know.

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it's so interesting i i love where you're going

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with this i just think there's a lot that that

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people can relate to with that and the idea of

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like it's self -abandonment when when you don't

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when you're just doing it to conform you know

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when we look at um well there's some other things

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too so one of the things i want to ask you about

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too is this idea of failure um and at some point

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in time in your life you had to i'm sure make

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the decision that like i'm going to still take

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a risk, even though I might fail on this. Yeah.

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Right. And tell me how you grappled with that.

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How did you come to the decision or conclusion

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in your life that you were willing to fail in

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things and not worry about what everybody else

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was saying or thinking and not feel shame for

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it, for failing on it? What did that look like?

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It was all so gradual. And I was offered an opportunity

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to start a business. And it it was, I felt really

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honored to be asked, but this person felt like

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I had the right skills to start this with her.

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And, um, we just took it a step at a time and

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we were putting a little money in here and there.

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And my husband would say, okay, it's, you know,

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you still in this? I'm like, yeah, I'm not ready

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to give up. And, and then we started having successes

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and it wasn't success after success. There were

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a lot of failures, but from this person, I learned

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you don't A failure doesn't mean you give up.

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And I brought up another movie, Meet the Robinsons.

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Yes. And I love that you keep moving forward.

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And maybe you find another, maybe this is your

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goal and you were trying to get on path A, but

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let's try path B or C. And then maybe you work

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your way through the whole alphabet. But if you

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know that's where you want to go, you keep trying.

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And for this business, it actually did really

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well. I gradually started seeing things in me

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that this business partner saw in me, you know,

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that I had certain skills. And again, it was

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just a gradual realization. I would never say

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I have an ego to where I'm like, oh, I've got

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this, you know. But I started to see, oh, I do

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have some skills. I do have some abilities here

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that I didn't know I had. And then I just started

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thinking. well, what else is there that I didn't

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know about me? Because I was always conforming.

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And the life as I was conforming is a life I

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love, too. It doesn't mean it's a bad life. It's

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just I was never told you could do both. And

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now I was doing both. And fully supported by

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my family and my husband and building relationships.

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having opportunities to the point where I did

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think, well, at some point, if this does fail,

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I've learned a lot and I'm really proud of what

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I've done. Yeah. And like you said, along the

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path, not everything was a success after success

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after success. There were certain things that

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were failures. And Carol Dweck wrote a book called

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The Growth Mindset, which I love. It's a fabulous

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book. And in there, she says, in the growth mindset,

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failure can be a painful experience. but it doesn't

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define you. It's a problem to be faced, dealt

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with, and learned from. And so what you had to

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find, I would assume, would be that growth mindset

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as opposed to a fixed mindset, which is, I don't

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want to fail. I might fail, but I can't fail,

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so I'm not going to do it. I'm not going to take

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that step. And then you found a way to shift

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that paradigm to a growth mindset of embracing

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like, okay, these things might fail. Were there

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any... failures that you had that you drew strength

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from realizing that you could overcome it. You

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could take that and learn from it and grow from

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that failure. Yeah, for sure. I mean, you know,

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I can think back on specific conversations with

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employees that I just, I just think, ah, I would

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do that differently. And I, and then I do it

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differently. I learn from it or, I mean, as a

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parent, you, you do that every single day. And,

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um, so, so yeah, for sure. Those are the things

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that really stick out or just maybe things that

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how I might've handled a situation. Yeah. Because

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in one of the things that I think we sometimes

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forget when we talk about these things is like,

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we can look at failure as an opportunity, right.

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To learn. It doesn't mean it's not hard. Yeah.

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Like failing's not fun. Maybe some people can

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look at it as fun. And I do like meet the Robinsons

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because they make it. a fun event when it was

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like yeah he said he fails in this thing he tried

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to create they all celebrate right and i love

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that idea but in practical like day -to -day

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life feeling like sometimes really stinks i i've

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had you know plenty of experiences where you

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know clearly not working out with an employee

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you know do everything that i can clearly like

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i could have done things better and then you

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have to part ways and it stinks like I don't

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know what your experience is, but firing somebody

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is like one of my least favorite things that

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I ever have to do. It's just awful. I hate it.

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Yeah. Keeps you up at night. Yeah. Cause you,

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you learn to care about people, whether they're

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the right person there and, and it's, yeah, that's

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really difficult. I don't think you ever would

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get used to that. Yeah. I mean, for some reason,

00:21:45.980 --> 00:21:47.339
some people do and they embrace it and they love

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it. Not me, not you sounds like, but it is every

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time it happens, it is an opportunity to kind

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of. take a look at it. Now, I do think it's also

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important in those situations, and I love your

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take on this and your experience with this, but

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not to observe the things that that person did

00:22:02.450 --> 00:22:06.250
wrong, right? It wasn't entirely your fault for

00:22:06.250 --> 00:22:08.210
them, you know, needing to be let go, but just

00:22:08.210 --> 00:22:11.109
assessing what you can do differently. Was that

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ever hard? Was it, did you ever look at it like,

00:22:13.130 --> 00:22:14.609
oh my gosh, this is completely my failure. They

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got let go and then realized like, no, actually

00:22:16.589 --> 00:22:19.910
it wasn't. Like I had a role, but so did they.

00:22:20.509 --> 00:22:23.730
Yeah. Yeah, I think so. Just maybe they didn't

00:22:23.730 --> 00:22:26.549
get coached enough. Another thing we always try

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to do, we would say they're maybe just not on

00:22:28.829 --> 00:22:32.190
the right seat on the bus. Yeah. Yeah, Jim Collins,

00:22:32.369 --> 00:22:33.990
good to great. Look at you. You're drawing on

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some classic stuff right there. And one of my

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biggest joys is knowing that person belongs on

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the bus and finding the right seat for them.

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And sometimes that's, I mean, that's actually

00:22:47.430 --> 00:22:51.329
one of the most satisfying things. in owning

00:22:51.329 --> 00:22:55.250
a business that i and people will ask me what's

00:22:55.250 --> 00:22:57.130
what's the thing what's the hardest thing about

00:22:57.130 --> 00:22:58.890
owning a business and i would say the people

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and then the best thing are the people yeah you

00:23:02.349 --> 00:23:08.450
know you learn the most and um but but if i couldn't

00:23:08.450 --> 00:23:11.410
find the right seat on the bus for them that's

00:23:11.410 --> 00:23:15.769
hard yeah it's super hard you know at some point

00:23:15.769 --> 00:23:17.430
in time the business y 'all started was obviously

00:23:17.430 --> 00:23:20.319
very small right yeah all businesses start out

00:23:20.319 --> 00:23:22.440
that way and that's where it's also sometimes

00:23:22.440 --> 00:23:25.960
hard because the size of the business might mean

00:23:25.960 --> 00:23:28.619
there's just not another seat at that stage right

00:23:28.619 --> 00:23:31.400
like this person could be a really great person

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and have a skill set but the bust you have right

00:23:34.640 --> 00:23:36.880
now just doesn't have a lot of seats yeah and

00:23:36.880 --> 00:23:39.599
that's tough and that's tough and and then trying

00:23:39.599 --> 00:23:41.339
to have that conversation with somebody too about

00:23:41.339 --> 00:23:45.150
about that and Trying to help them understand

00:23:45.150 --> 00:23:48.069
like I understand you do have great skill sets

00:23:48.069 --> 00:23:49.490
without them feeling like you're just you know

00:23:49.490 --> 00:23:51.450
being phony Yeah, I struggle with that. Yeah,

00:23:51.450 --> 00:23:53.490
you want to be sincere. I'm not giving false

00:23:53.490 --> 00:23:57.410
praise, right? But I do want them to like understand

00:23:57.410 --> 00:23:58.829
and know like no there are some things you do

00:23:58.829 --> 00:24:01.130
Well, we just don't have that right now. Yeah

00:24:01.130 --> 00:24:03.309
here, which is tough. Yeah, it's really hard.

00:24:03.789 --> 00:24:07.390
So Okay, coming back this this perfectionism

00:24:07.390 --> 00:24:11.269
thing So another quote from incanto you ready

00:24:11.269 --> 00:24:17.950
for this? This is when Isabella and Mirabel are

00:24:17.950 --> 00:24:19.349
having a conversation, right? They're talking

00:24:19.349 --> 00:24:22.089
and Mirabel is trying to understand how she's

00:24:22.089 --> 00:24:23.569
supposed to repair this relationship with her

00:24:23.569 --> 00:24:25.910
sister because she comes to realization from

00:24:25.910 --> 00:24:27.789
Bruno's vision that she's supposed to, right?

00:24:27.869 --> 00:24:31.349
That's the key to fixing Casita and the miracle,

00:24:31.529 --> 00:24:34.650
right? Not having to kind of go out. And Mirabel

00:24:34.650 --> 00:24:37.599
says to Isabella that she's selfish. Right. She's

00:24:37.599 --> 00:24:39.940
kind of like she's just like mad at her. Oh,

00:24:40.039 --> 00:24:41.400
you're just selfish. Because you have the perfect

00:24:41.400 --> 00:24:43.799
life. Yes. Exactly. Because you do have the perfect

00:24:43.799 --> 00:24:47.019
life. And Isabella says, selfish. I've been stuck

00:24:47.019 --> 00:24:50.240
being perfect my whole entire life. And literally

00:24:50.240 --> 00:24:52.440
the only thing you have ever done for me is mess

00:24:52.440 --> 00:24:55.000
things up. And so it's suddenly like in this

00:24:55.000 --> 00:24:58.480
moment, it's like, oh, my goodness. She is way

00:24:58.480 --> 00:25:01.720
deeper than you thought. She is not this perfect

00:25:01.720 --> 00:25:04.839
princess that Nita Bell was saying she was. That

00:25:04.839 --> 00:25:06.960
she's really just been doing things for everybody

00:25:06.960 --> 00:25:10.039
else. And she's been self -abandoning. Yeah.

00:25:10.119 --> 00:25:13.680
Right? Yeah. In Encanto, what do you think it

00:25:13.680 --> 00:25:17.779
took for her to overcome that? And how is that

00:25:17.779 --> 00:25:21.240
paralleled for you in your life? Probably the

00:25:21.240 --> 00:25:24.319
misunderstanding of who she really is. Like,

00:25:24.319 --> 00:25:27.440
she has to put... put out this perfect persona

00:25:27.440 --> 00:25:31.099
everything's fine and then for some reason she

00:25:31.099 --> 00:25:33.700
let that guard down yeah i mean not for some

00:25:33.700 --> 00:25:36.380
reason she let it down because she's being told

00:25:36.380 --> 00:25:39.279
your life is perfect and she's thinking this

00:25:39.279 --> 00:25:42.160
isn't perfect to me you know absolutely and it's

00:25:42.160 --> 00:25:45.319
that breaking point and i i i remember similar

00:25:45.319 --> 00:25:48.640
things in my own life where i'm like it looks

00:25:48.640 --> 00:25:51.539
this way but it isn't i know inside it's not

00:25:51.539 --> 00:25:53.940
and then at some point something has to give

00:25:53.940 --> 00:25:58.990
right yeah and And what one of the most beautiful

00:25:58.990 --> 00:26:01.769
parts of that movie, I think, and that's why

00:26:01.769 --> 00:26:05.490
it's hard for me to I can relate to almost most

00:26:05.490 --> 00:26:08.490
of those characters, honestly, especially the

00:26:08.490 --> 00:26:13.009
three sisters. But I, I think for her, when she

00:26:13.009 --> 00:26:15.549
was just able to be herself, it was a little

00:26:15.549 --> 00:26:18.269
messy, but it was beautiful and colorful. It

00:26:18.269 --> 00:26:21.089
wasn't this perfect, you know, the most perfect

00:26:21.089 --> 00:26:24.930
flowers that are it was. brighter and more vibrant

00:26:24.930 --> 00:26:28.329
and and that i think is where i relate to to

00:26:28.329 --> 00:26:33.309
her is that finally just i still want to be a

00:26:33.309 --> 00:26:35.569
certain part of me this is still a part of me

00:26:35.569 --> 00:26:37.849
but there's another part that i'm not showing

00:26:37.849 --> 00:26:44.490
to people and and even for myself showing and

00:26:44.490 --> 00:26:46.730
it is a little more colorful it's a little messier

00:26:46.730 --> 00:26:50.609
it's not as perfect right absolutely and you

00:26:50.609 --> 00:26:52.549
know when i think one of the things that's really

00:26:52.970 --> 00:26:54.930
beautiful in this story the way that it's told

00:26:54.930 --> 00:26:58.609
is is the role that mirabelle plays in helping

00:26:58.609 --> 00:27:01.369
isabella realize that yeah right and in that

00:27:01.369 --> 00:27:04.730
song what else can i do because you know to some

00:27:04.730 --> 00:27:07.230
extent that release she was just waiting for

00:27:07.230 --> 00:27:09.849
that to come out she just needed permission yeah

00:27:09.849 --> 00:27:12.450
she just needed her mission and i think that's

00:27:12.450 --> 00:27:15.049
where you really start to see again the gifts

00:27:15.049 --> 00:27:18.650
that mirabelle has to help her family see their

00:27:18.650 --> 00:27:21.769
value beyond just their gift yeah And their value

00:27:21.769 --> 00:27:23.569
beyond just doing perfect flowers all the time.

00:27:23.650 --> 00:27:26.250
Their value beyond Louisa having to always just

00:27:26.250 --> 00:27:29.509
be strong for everybody. And the burden of having

00:27:29.509 --> 00:27:32.309
that gift that everyone relies on and expects

00:27:32.309 --> 00:27:35.029
from you without being able to just be yourself

00:27:35.029 --> 00:27:39.869
sometimes. She, the whole time, gets to be herself.

00:27:40.470 --> 00:27:44.910
And that's beautiful, but feels bad. It's just

00:27:44.910 --> 00:27:50.440
a really beautiful... Yeah. Story. And I do think

00:27:50.440 --> 00:27:53.140
that part of the reason why it works so well

00:27:53.140 --> 00:27:54.799
is like you pointed out, it's like you can see

00:27:54.799 --> 00:27:58.339
things in the main characters that apply to all

00:27:58.339 --> 00:28:02.059
of us, right? For anybody that's ever dealt with

00:28:02.059 --> 00:28:04.640
perfectionism, Misa Vela is fantastic. But same

00:28:04.640 --> 00:28:06.339
thing with Luisa, someone who's ever felt like

00:28:06.339 --> 00:28:09.329
it always rests on their shoulders. They're always

00:28:09.329 --> 00:28:11.009
the one who have to carry everybody else's burdens.

00:28:11.230 --> 00:28:13.930
And they can't show any cracks. They can't show

00:28:13.930 --> 00:28:16.190
any weaknesses because they have to be strong

00:28:16.190 --> 00:28:18.730
for everybody else. I think moms have to experience

00:28:18.730 --> 00:28:20.990
that a lot. You're a mom, right? Yes, I'm a mom.

00:28:21.089 --> 00:28:22.230
Four kids. Four kids. I was going to say, I'm

00:28:22.230 --> 00:28:24.170
pretty sure it's four. Four. Maybe all over.

00:28:24.250 --> 00:28:27.730
20? Yeah. My youngest is 21. My goodness. Yeah.

00:28:28.190 --> 00:28:30.670
but i think i think a lot of times moms have

00:28:30.670 --> 00:28:32.930
to carry that or they feel like they have to

00:28:32.930 --> 00:28:34.710
care and then no they don't but i feel like they

00:28:34.710 --> 00:28:36.450
have to carry it for the whole family they have

00:28:36.450 --> 00:28:39.049
to hold it together for the whole family um i

00:28:39.049 --> 00:28:40.990
mean mom guilt's a real thing right i've heard

00:28:40.990 --> 00:28:44.269
so many women uh doing what i do right which

00:28:44.269 --> 00:28:47.309
is divorce talk about that like oh i gotta i

00:28:47.309 --> 00:28:49.289
gotta go to work or i gotta go back to work and

00:28:49.289 --> 00:28:51.309
feeling mom guilt for that because they've held

00:28:51.309 --> 00:28:52.829
the family together for so long they're like

00:28:52.829 --> 00:28:55.359
louisa right being strong for everybody all the

00:28:55.359 --> 00:28:57.119
time doing everything for everybody all the time

00:28:57.119 --> 00:28:59.980
did you ever experience that as a mom well i

00:28:59.980 --> 00:29:03.259
i i think it's a little it's i'll just tell you

00:29:03.259 --> 00:29:05.240
what mine was and then we'll just dive in there

00:29:05.240 --> 00:29:08.079
i love it let's do it girl i'm here for it i

00:29:08.079 --> 00:29:10.319
was a stay -at -home mom yeah and i got to be

00:29:10.319 --> 00:29:12.859
that and i was really that's what i that's what

00:29:12.859 --> 00:29:16.880
i wanted to do yeah blessing right and i Um,

00:29:17.059 --> 00:29:19.640
I, I did the whole thing where I got married

00:29:19.640 --> 00:29:22.180
pretty young. I had kids pretty young and I,

00:29:22.299 --> 00:29:25.880
um, had all four of my kids by the time I was

00:29:25.880 --> 00:29:29.099
29. My oldest is 29, which is so wild to think

00:29:29.099 --> 00:29:32.960
about. And, um, but this is, this is where, this

00:29:32.960 --> 00:29:37.839
is that a little bit of, this isn't what inside

00:29:37.839 --> 00:29:40.660
that eight year old strawberry shortcake, wild

00:29:40.660 --> 00:29:44.500
hair girl probably would have done if I'd had

00:29:44.500 --> 00:29:47.369
more options in my life. I would have loved to

00:29:47.369 --> 00:29:52.930
be told, you can be a mom and explore life out

00:29:52.930 --> 00:29:57.509
here. And so what was happening in, and again,

00:29:57.589 --> 00:29:59.309
it's just looking back because I have a really

00:29:59.309 --> 00:30:01.769
beautiful life that I would never, ever want

00:30:01.769 --> 00:30:08.130
to change. But I had a lot of built up feelings

00:30:08.130 --> 00:30:11.309
toward, and I didn't realize it, but it's maybe

00:30:11.309 --> 00:30:15.789
where we go to Moana. I just felt a little. You

00:30:15.789 --> 00:30:18.849
know, she's on this beautiful island, but she

00:30:18.849 --> 00:30:21.690
sees that there's more out there. The thing is,

00:30:21.690 --> 00:30:27.009
it was that opportunity with that business that

00:30:27.009 --> 00:30:30.190
I really was given this opportunity to step out

00:30:30.190 --> 00:30:33.130
of that role, continue to do it, which I loved,

00:30:33.230 --> 00:30:38.130
but then explore. I kind of went past the...

00:30:38.569 --> 00:30:40.930
where you're supposed to go past the reef and

00:30:40.930 --> 00:30:44.049
it was hard and it was yeah no one goes beyond

00:30:44.049 --> 00:30:45.829
the reef right that's what her dad says right

00:30:45.829 --> 00:30:47.630
like no can't do it she's like no i got it yeah

00:30:47.630 --> 00:30:51.089
and and she did it and i and and the nice thing

00:30:51.089 --> 00:30:53.789
in my life is when i did that when i when i felt

00:30:53.789 --> 00:30:56.910
called to do that and felt brave to do it i had

00:30:56.910 --> 00:31:00.109
the support of my family and and so that's where

00:31:00.109 --> 00:31:03.509
i just think um The mom guilt didn't come in

00:31:03.509 --> 00:31:06.490
because I mean, you know, you, you mess up your

00:31:06.490 --> 00:31:09.569
kids while I'm home with the kids. I'm, you know,

00:31:09.609 --> 00:31:12.609
you yell, you get, you lose your cool, but, and

00:31:12.609 --> 00:31:15.710
then you feel bad and all of that. So yes, definitely

00:31:15.710 --> 00:31:17.609
had mom guilt, but maybe in a different way.

00:31:17.650 --> 00:31:20.869
But once I was exploring and learning about myself,

00:31:21.009 --> 00:31:25.710
I really loved it. I really loved it. And my

00:31:25.710 --> 00:31:30.190
kids loved it too. Turns out they loved me being

00:31:30.190 --> 00:31:35.460
this. brave person doing something that i didn't

00:31:35.460 --> 00:31:39.299
believe i could do before we jump back in can

00:31:39.299 --> 00:31:41.980
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00:31:41.980 --> 00:31:45.420
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00:31:48.400 --> 00:31:51.819
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00:31:51.819 --> 00:31:54.680
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00:31:54.680 --> 00:31:58.759
to make the dream a reality I mean, it's a great

00:31:58.759 --> 00:32:00.940
example of your kids. Of your four kids, boys

00:32:00.940 --> 00:32:02.519
and girls, what's the next? Three girls and then

00:32:02.519 --> 00:32:05.119
a boy. It's the thing about for those three girls,

00:32:05.240 --> 00:32:08.140
right? Hey, my mom went and did this thing. Yeah.

00:32:08.359 --> 00:32:11.160
Like she realized that she could be a great mom

00:32:11.160 --> 00:32:14.170
and also... do something that she feels called

00:32:14.170 --> 00:32:16.410
to do, do something in business. Yeah. And my,

00:32:16.410 --> 00:32:19.210
my conversations with my kids are different than

00:32:19.210 --> 00:32:22.690
what mine were. And I, I don't, nobody, nobody's

00:32:22.690 --> 00:32:25.089
to blame. I'm not mad at anyone. It was just

00:32:25.089 --> 00:32:27.950
the narrative I grew up in, you know, but, and

00:32:27.950 --> 00:32:31.009
I placed on myself truly, but, um, I say to my

00:32:31.009 --> 00:32:34.789
kids, you can have it all. You can get married

00:32:34.789 --> 00:32:36.990
if you want. You don't have to get married. You

00:32:36.990 --> 00:32:38.809
can have kids. You don't have to have kids. You

00:32:38.809 --> 00:32:41.480
can. build a career if you have kids and want

00:32:41.480 --> 00:32:43.940
to stay home that's beautiful and you know like

00:32:43.940 --> 00:32:47.000
i i want all the options to be there for them

00:32:47.000 --> 00:32:50.599
so that they really can see that because that's

00:32:50.599 --> 00:32:54.019
the one thing i lacked was that and i know it

00:32:54.019 --> 00:32:56.759
sounds so dumb i but it really is like this is

00:32:56.759 --> 00:32:59.619
this is your path and it's a beautiful path yeah

00:32:59.619 --> 00:33:01.940
and that was the only option i was given yeah

00:33:01.940 --> 00:33:04.920
so it was really beautiful when i was given an

00:33:04.920 --> 00:33:07.700
opportunity to go past the reef learn about myself

00:33:07.700 --> 00:33:10.359
well and if we if we take a take a look at it

00:33:10.359 --> 00:33:12.980
through the lens of mulan as well right yes you

00:33:12.980 --> 00:33:15.539
know mulan has these expectations of what she's

00:33:15.539 --> 00:33:18.740
supposed to do she's probably not a perfectionist

00:33:19.049 --> 00:33:21.650
Uh, right. Uh, she, she does mess up things a

00:33:21.650 --> 00:33:24.230
lot, but, but she's kind of, there's this prescriptive

00:33:24.230 --> 00:33:26.549
path that she's supposed to have. She's supposed

00:33:26.549 --> 00:33:29.569
to go, you know, get all dolled up and go have

00:33:29.569 --> 00:33:31.690
a husband chosen for her and all these things.

00:33:31.970 --> 00:33:36.450
Yes. Right. And, and yet she's called to something

00:33:36.450 --> 00:33:41.210
else and she's called to it by really not a lot

00:33:41.210 --> 00:33:45.369
of choices to save her dad. Right. Like she believes

00:33:45.369 --> 00:33:48.140
in something bigger and greater. than you know

00:33:48.140 --> 00:33:50.240
doing the perfect thing that everybody else thinks

00:33:50.240 --> 00:33:52.359
that she's supposed to do and she does what she

00:33:52.359 --> 00:33:56.380
believes is right right and um now she doesn't

00:33:56.380 --> 00:33:59.019
have a lot of support unfortunately right right

00:33:59.019 --> 00:34:01.039
and so she goes down this path but but being

00:34:01.039 --> 00:34:04.980
forced into it like for you what what do you

00:34:04.980 --> 00:34:07.460
see that she kind of learns in that journey going

00:34:07.460 --> 00:34:10.340
down this path of like stepping into something

00:34:10.340 --> 00:34:12.739
because she's compelled to as opposed to somebody

00:34:12.739 --> 00:34:16.239
giving it to her yeah i mean she learns that

00:34:17.159 --> 00:34:21.079
You kind of think of those learning to do the

00:34:21.079 --> 00:34:23.699
battle scenes and the training and all of that.

00:34:23.760 --> 00:34:25.820
She's not as coordinated. She's always behind.

00:34:26.260 --> 00:34:31.500
But then this bigger cause inspires her and she

00:34:31.500 --> 00:34:34.960
works hard and does it. That's right. She has

00:34:34.960 --> 00:34:36.760
the discipline. Much like you were saying you

00:34:36.760 --> 00:34:39.840
did. She had that discipline where she ends up

00:34:39.840 --> 00:34:42.519
surpassing all of these guys because she's got

00:34:42.519 --> 00:34:45.179
this discipline and this focus on what's the

00:34:45.179 --> 00:34:47.599
purpose behind what she's doing. Yeah. She just

00:34:47.599 --> 00:34:49.599
had never had the opportunity to do that. But

00:34:49.599 --> 00:34:54.079
once she did, she showed that she could do it.

00:34:54.139 --> 00:34:58.280
And I think she showed too that she was, what's

00:34:58.280 --> 00:34:59.760
the right word I'm looking for? Ingenuitive is

00:34:59.760 --> 00:35:02.219
not the right word, but like that she was able

00:35:02.219 --> 00:35:04.119
to think of things and think through problems

00:35:04.119 --> 00:35:07.300
that other people couldn't and didn't. Yeah.

00:35:07.460 --> 00:35:11.840
Right. When the Huns had slaughtered the majority

00:35:11.840 --> 00:35:14.300
part of the army they had, and now they're trying

00:35:14.300 --> 00:35:17.369
to fight this huge army. She's the one that figures

00:35:17.369 --> 00:35:19.750
out what to do causes to avalanche because she's

00:35:19.750 --> 00:35:21.949
thinking outside the box She at this point time

00:35:21.949 --> 00:35:25.510
has stepped into that power that she has to create

00:35:25.510 --> 00:35:27.730
something different much like Isabella was right

00:35:27.730 --> 00:35:31.909
and do something that It for that point in time

00:35:31.909 --> 00:35:34.510
saves the army and and then does it again once

00:35:34.510 --> 00:35:36.449
they try to take the Emperor Yeah, she figures

00:35:36.449 --> 00:35:39.090
out how to how to help save the Emperor and by

00:35:39.090 --> 00:35:41.710
doing so save all of China So, you know, I think

00:35:41.710 --> 00:35:43.650
there's some great parallels there too for what

00:35:43.650 --> 00:35:47.760
we see in when somebody is given the opportunity,

00:35:47.940 --> 00:35:49.840
and Hershey kind of takes it, but given that

00:35:49.840 --> 00:35:51.920
opportunity to step into something different.

00:35:52.400 --> 00:35:55.260
And so for you, you're kind of given this opportunity

00:35:55.260 --> 00:35:58.920
for this new business, this new venture. What

00:35:58.920 --> 00:36:00.380
do you think are the biggest things that you

00:36:00.380 --> 00:36:03.800
learned about yourself through that experience

00:36:03.800 --> 00:36:06.840
of starting a business? So starting a new one

00:36:06.840 --> 00:36:08.860
or the first one? Starting the first one. The

00:36:08.860 --> 00:36:13.840
first one. I learned that I can be innovative.

00:36:13.900 --> 00:36:17.500
Yeah. And you can because because I didn't go

00:36:17.500 --> 00:36:21.039
to business school and I don't have an MBA. So

00:36:21.039 --> 00:36:24.380
I don't know the textbook answers or here's you

00:36:24.380 --> 00:36:27.840
know, and there's probably not a real answer

00:36:27.840 --> 00:36:31.179
to everything. But but I think I went into it

00:36:31.179 --> 00:36:33.380
with no knowledge. But what I figured out is

00:36:33.380 --> 00:36:38.840
a process. that like I, one of my main, I had

00:36:38.840 --> 00:36:40.840
a lot of responsibilities and so did my business

00:36:40.840 --> 00:36:42.679
partner. When you're only two people, you just

00:36:42.679 --> 00:36:46.500
kind of take on a lot, right? But mine was a

00:36:46.500 --> 00:36:50.860
lot of the operations and I needed to order product

00:36:50.860 --> 00:36:55.559
and I figured out, like I could go on and on

00:36:55.559 --> 00:36:58.099
about that, but basically I didn't know how to

00:36:58.099 --> 00:37:00.099
do it. I didn't know there were programs. I didn't

00:37:00.099 --> 00:37:01.579
know there were things you could do to make it

00:37:01.579 --> 00:37:04.519
easier. I did it the hard way, but it was because

00:37:04.519 --> 00:37:07.039
that's all I knew. And I figured it out. But

00:37:07.039 --> 00:37:10.420
what that did was teach me the process and exactly

00:37:10.420 --> 00:37:15.619
why you do things. And then I also learned the

00:37:15.619 --> 00:37:17.539
value of the phrase, you fake it till you make

00:37:17.539 --> 00:37:21.980
it. There's value in that. And I learned that.

00:37:22.039 --> 00:37:25.699
I learned that you can figure things out. You

00:37:25.699 --> 00:37:31.739
can figure things out without the degree. I learned

00:37:31.739 --> 00:37:34.260
that there were not very many obstacles that

00:37:34.260 --> 00:37:37.880
you can't overcome. And then if you can't overcome

00:37:37.880 --> 00:37:39.900
it, maybe that's not the way you're supposed

00:37:39.900 --> 00:37:42.059
to go or you just try to go around it and do

00:37:42.059 --> 00:37:44.360
it a different way. There's a lot of ways to

00:37:44.360 --> 00:37:49.119
tackle a problem. Totally. And to do that, though,

00:37:49.179 --> 00:37:51.960
you had to find, I'm sure, a little bit more

00:37:51.960 --> 00:37:56.639
of that self -esteem and self -worth to have

00:37:56.639 --> 00:37:58.360
the confidence to do that. because otherwise

00:37:58.360 --> 00:38:00.260
that's learned something if something wasn't

00:38:00.260 --> 00:38:03.159
working that could totally paralyze you cripple

00:38:03.159 --> 00:38:06.039
you yeah yeah well when i'm when i'm watching

00:38:06.039 --> 00:38:09.820
meet the robinsons and he he fails his his you

00:38:09.820 --> 00:38:14.099
know his invention fails he kind of gets stuck

00:38:14.099 --> 00:38:16.019
and he's like well he gives up a little bit right

00:38:16.019 --> 00:38:18.900
totally and that would have been me that and

00:38:18.900 --> 00:38:22.480
maybe in the beginning that was me but i i sometimes

00:38:22.480 --> 00:38:24.519
when you've got more than just yourself riding

00:38:24.519 --> 00:38:27.519
on something you're a little like like mulan

00:38:27.519 --> 00:38:30.260
you have that motivation to figure it out and

00:38:30.260 --> 00:38:34.260
get there yeah so so another another quote i

00:38:34.260 --> 00:38:37.039
want to run by uh this is from one of my favorites

00:38:37.039 --> 00:38:41.739
uh jamie kern lima and she says in her book uh

00:38:41.739 --> 00:38:45.139
worthy self -confidence is the belief in your

00:38:45.139 --> 00:38:48.320
abilities as a person self -worth is the belief

00:38:48.320 --> 00:38:53.039
in your value as a person oh i like that so for

00:38:53.039 --> 00:38:57.599
you where where did that lie in in understanding

00:38:57.599 --> 00:39:01.619
your value as a person that it was inherent right

00:39:01.619 --> 00:39:06.159
much like mirabel had to learn like the gift

00:39:06.159 --> 00:39:09.099
is me yeah i don't have to have some other special

00:39:09.099 --> 00:39:12.860
gift the gift is like who i am how how did that

00:39:12.860 --> 00:39:15.099
come to light for you and what did that feel

00:39:15.099 --> 00:39:18.760
like man i think that'll probably be something

00:39:18.760 --> 00:39:21.420
i have to remind myself of my whole life but

00:39:21.420 --> 00:39:27.329
i i think as you As you go through certain trials

00:39:27.329 --> 00:39:31.829
and see how you respond and grow, that just naturally

00:39:31.829 --> 00:39:34.750
happens. But I don't know that I'll ever figure

00:39:34.750 --> 00:39:37.469
that out fully. Sure. You know? Well, I do think

00:39:37.469 --> 00:39:40.750
it's, and that's okay. Yeah. Right? I think,

00:39:40.750 --> 00:39:46.150
though, knowing that and reminding yourself of

00:39:46.150 --> 00:39:49.969
that over time is very helpful. Yes. Because

00:39:49.969 --> 00:39:52.170
it is easy to get down on ourselves when we do

00:39:52.170 --> 00:39:54.840
have something that doesn't work. Or we have

00:39:54.840 --> 00:39:57.599
people that doubt us. Or we have conflict with

00:39:57.599 --> 00:40:00.599
other people. It's easy to think that we're not

00:40:00.599 --> 00:40:03.360
enough and that we're not good enough. Yeah.

00:40:03.440 --> 00:40:06.780
And I think what I've learned is it's okay to

00:40:06.780 --> 00:40:10.599
feel the feelings. You're going to feel really,

00:40:10.679 --> 00:40:14.940
really low, really, really angry. And then you

00:40:14.940 --> 00:40:19.320
just say, okay, that's what it was. And then

00:40:19.320 --> 00:40:22.320
you move forward. Yeah. You just, you know, like.

00:40:23.280 --> 00:40:25.480
Maybe there is something you can learn from it.

00:40:25.840 --> 00:40:30.440
Maybe you're totally misunderstood and not You

00:40:30.440 --> 00:40:33.800
know you you haven't been treated well, and then

00:40:33.800 --> 00:40:37.619
you and That's okay. Yeah, honestly sometimes

00:40:37.619 --> 00:40:41.239
life isn't fair right yeah, and you just What

00:40:41.239 --> 00:40:43.360
do you do now? What's ahead of you now? Let's

00:40:43.360 --> 00:40:45.820
keep moving forward. Yeah, and that's that's

00:40:45.820 --> 00:40:47.980
gotten me through some hard things For sure.

00:40:48.119 --> 00:40:50.039
Yeah. And, you know, on that note of keeping

00:40:50.039 --> 00:40:51.739
them forward, one of the things that you've done

00:40:51.739 --> 00:40:54.820
recently is open a new chapter. Yeah. Started

00:40:54.820 --> 00:40:59.420
at a new place. Yeah. In the COO role. What would

00:40:59.420 --> 00:41:02.679
you say is maybe the biggest lesson you've learned

00:41:02.679 --> 00:41:07.739
from starting this new chapter? Right. There

00:41:07.739 --> 00:41:09.780
are certain lessons you had when you all started

00:41:09.780 --> 00:41:12.219
that business. And now there's probably new lessons

00:41:12.219 --> 00:41:15.300
you have as you're transitioning to a new opportunity.

00:41:15.539 --> 00:41:17.420
What what's maybe some of the biggest lessons

00:41:17.420 --> 00:41:20.780
you've learned from that? It's it's been a really

00:41:20.780 --> 00:41:23.360
great opportunity to look back and appreciate

00:41:23.360 --> 00:41:26.079
where I am now. I think that's the biggest thing.

00:41:26.179 --> 00:41:34.780
And just like that's a big thing. I I came into

00:41:34.780 --> 00:41:39.039
this new opportunity. and had some doubts within

00:41:39.039 --> 00:41:43.059
myself but then just dug in it's that whole thing

00:41:43.059 --> 00:41:45.639
like i can't keep i can't let the past hold me

00:41:45.639 --> 00:41:47.739
back let's just move forward and be grateful

00:41:47.739 --> 00:41:50.639
for what i have really and it's interesting how

00:41:50.639 --> 00:41:55.440
quickly i my mindset changed so quickly but i

00:41:55.440 --> 00:41:57.780
think it's healthy to feel the feelings yeah

00:41:57.780 --> 00:42:01.019
because they're valid and then you move on and

00:42:01.019 --> 00:42:04.980
um and now it's with excitement but this is there's

00:42:05.900 --> 00:42:09.719
It's not a, there's risk, there's uncertainty,

00:42:09.900 --> 00:42:13.519
but the things I believe in are, I believe in

00:42:13.519 --> 00:42:16.059
this business, I believe in the people and the

00:42:16.059 --> 00:42:20.639
why behind this business. And so my, you know,

00:42:20.639 --> 00:42:23.420
with my first opportunity, I was in that for

00:42:23.420 --> 00:42:27.619
15 years and I learned a lot. But what this new

00:42:27.619 --> 00:42:31.079
opportunity is doing for me is really highlighting

00:42:31.079 --> 00:42:34.519
what I learned. Sure. Because I'm coming in and

00:42:34.519 --> 00:42:37.400
there's things that were just kind of the norm,

00:42:37.440 --> 00:42:40.699
the day to day. And now it's, and it's not, and

00:42:40.699 --> 00:42:42.960
it's nothing against, I mean, the people here

00:42:42.960 --> 00:42:46.460
are wonderful, wonderful, smart people. And they're

00:42:46.460 --> 00:42:49.360
just, it's kind of in the early stages of where

00:42:49.360 --> 00:42:51.739
we were with my first business. I remember those

00:42:51.739 --> 00:42:54.670
days and you're just. putting out fires. You're

00:42:54.670 --> 00:42:56.690
just trying to survive. And that's where they

00:42:56.690 --> 00:42:59.869
are. And so I've been able to come in and say,

00:42:59.969 --> 00:43:01.730
well, here's some things that we can help with.

00:43:01.809 --> 00:43:05.730
And I'm realizing, okay, I do know what I'm doing.

00:43:05.869 --> 00:43:08.250
And it's exciting. And I don't know everything.

00:43:08.429 --> 00:43:11.349
I will never think I know everything, but I have

00:43:11.349 --> 00:43:13.869
something to offer. And that's the difference.

00:43:14.030 --> 00:43:17.369
I think this time I'm thinking I have something

00:43:17.369 --> 00:43:20.489
to offer and I can help. where before i wasn't

00:43:20.489 --> 00:43:22.789
quite sure about that for sure you know and when

00:43:22.789 --> 00:43:25.389
you're in a role that you're in right as a coo

00:43:25.389 --> 00:43:26.969
you're obviously going to have a lot of people

00:43:26.969 --> 00:43:30.909
that report to you directly that you manage what

00:43:30.909 --> 00:43:35.429
what how do you coach your people when they're

00:43:35.429 --> 00:43:40.230
experiencing self -doubt um or the fear of failure

00:43:40.230 --> 00:43:43.750
i talk to him like i would want someone to talk

00:43:43.750 --> 00:43:46.789
to me back in my teenage you know early adulthood

00:43:46.789 --> 00:43:49.639
i would want them to say it's okay to fail You

00:43:49.639 --> 00:43:51.820
figured it out. I don't want anyone like I would

00:43:51.820 --> 00:43:55.320
never shame a person for failing. What did we

00:43:55.320 --> 00:43:57.480
learn from it? Let's not make that mistake again,

00:43:57.519 --> 00:44:00.400
if possible. And, you know, it's just a whole

00:44:00.400 --> 00:44:04.699
it's a learning. I I love I've recently read.

00:44:04.719 --> 00:44:08.559
Well, it was a few years ago, but Adam Grant

00:44:08.559 --> 00:44:11.860
has a book and it's all about being a scientist

00:44:11.860 --> 00:44:14.920
and showing curiosity. And I I think it's called

00:44:14.920 --> 00:44:19.250
Think Again. And it's just. it's so refreshing

00:44:19.250 --> 00:44:22.809
and that's how i try to talk to people yeah how

00:44:22.809 --> 00:44:25.030
can we think of it differently adam grant's one

00:44:25.030 --> 00:44:28.389
of my favorites yeah for sure um and you know

00:44:28.389 --> 00:44:31.710
i do think that curiosity especially as a leader

00:44:31.710 --> 00:44:36.630
when you're um the people in your charge um do

00:44:36.630 --> 00:44:38.849
mess up or make a mistake but being curious about

00:44:38.849 --> 00:44:41.369
why about how it happened i think it goes a long

00:44:41.369 --> 00:44:43.010
way into building that relationship too yeah

00:44:43.010 --> 00:44:46.469
right i want to be a safe person as their leader

00:44:46.469 --> 00:44:50.750
i want to coach and guide, not micromanage, not

00:44:50.750 --> 00:44:52.949
do the work for them. I want to remove obstacles

00:44:52.949 --> 00:44:56.469
that I can to help them be their best self. Yeah.

00:44:56.530 --> 00:45:00.710
Yeah. So, um, another, another quote to read

00:45:00.710 --> 00:45:02.389
for you. And we kind of talked about it. We just

00:45:02.389 --> 00:45:04.610
referenced it briefly, but I just, I love it

00:45:04.610 --> 00:45:06.349
so much. And so I'm going to read it to you and

00:45:06.349 --> 00:45:09.289
I'm going to not cry when I do it. Okay. Um,

00:45:09.369 --> 00:45:11.909
so it's at the end when, um, they're rebuilding

00:45:11.909 --> 00:45:15.590
the casita, right. And the gifts are all gone.

00:45:15.969 --> 00:45:19.739
Nobody's got their gift anymore. And Mirabelle

00:45:19.739 --> 00:45:21.840
is really starting to realize what she brings

00:45:21.840 --> 00:45:25.280
to the table. And then the song goes, just one

00:45:25.280 --> 00:45:27.500
more thing before the celebration. We need a

00:45:27.500 --> 00:45:30.719
doorknob. We made this one for you. We see how...

00:45:30.719 --> 00:45:35.539
Told you. I cried. We see how bright you burn.

00:45:36.139 --> 00:45:39.539
We see how brave you've been. Now see yourself

00:45:39.539 --> 00:45:43.219
in turn. You're the real gift, kid. Let us in.

00:45:43.679 --> 00:45:46.679
I just think it's such a beautiful way. of of

00:45:46.679 --> 00:45:48.980
kind of coming full circle for them all to embrace

00:45:48.980 --> 00:45:53.380
her and um and to me that's kind of why it's

00:45:53.380 --> 00:45:56.139
also why the importance of people in our lives

00:45:56.139 --> 00:45:58.099
that will do that for us and that we do for them

00:45:58.099 --> 00:46:00.739
because she had supported so many of them and

00:46:00.739 --> 00:46:03.380
helping them step into their power and then they

00:46:03.380 --> 00:46:06.260
in turn they can help her everything is so beautiful

00:46:06.260 --> 00:46:09.000
yeah okay so the first the first kind of fun

00:46:09.000 --> 00:46:11.219
segment we're gonna do is this or that so it's

00:46:11.219 --> 00:46:13.079
just whichever one you think out of these two

00:46:13.079 --> 00:46:15.880
and if it's a controversial opinion we will call

00:46:15.880 --> 00:46:17.960
you out we will call you out no we won't right

00:46:17.960 --> 00:46:21.960
we won't um okay the first one flowers or cacti

00:46:22.349 --> 00:46:24.750
flowers yeah totally fair right like it's probably

00:46:24.750 --> 00:46:27.050
an easy one even though i love isabella with

00:46:27.050 --> 00:46:31.170
the cacti but you know it's flowers um singing

00:46:31.170 --> 00:46:35.809
or dancing singing okay singing or playing the

00:46:35.809 --> 00:46:38.480
piano playing the piano Okay. I had a hunch based

00:46:38.480 --> 00:46:40.400
on our pre -show. I was like, I'm pretty sure

00:46:40.400 --> 00:46:42.800
it might be playing the piano. Okay. It's totally

00:46:42.800 --> 00:46:44.840
fair. The singing part would be with a choir,

00:46:44.940 --> 00:46:47.099
not alone. Do you ever sing alone? You ever sing

00:46:47.099 --> 00:46:49.300
a solo? I have, but I, it's not my strength.

00:46:49.340 --> 00:46:50.880
No, it's not your, not your favorite. Are you

00:46:50.880 --> 00:46:53.860
good at it? You just don't love doing it. I think

00:46:53.860 --> 00:46:56.639
I'm, I think I'm average and I don't love the

00:46:56.639 --> 00:46:59.380
attention. I kind of love, that's why I like

00:46:59.380 --> 00:47:01.519
the piano because I'm a part of something, but

00:47:01.519 --> 00:47:05.500
then I'm. I'm kind of hidden. Sure, an essential

00:47:05.500 --> 00:47:07.960
component, and yet you don't have to be front

00:47:07.960 --> 00:47:09.579
and center, which I actually think is such a,

00:47:09.619 --> 00:47:11.420
I mean, I'm going to take this back. I'm going

00:47:11.420 --> 00:47:13.460
to detour for a second. I do think it's such

00:47:13.460 --> 00:47:17.000
an important thing that people understand more

00:47:17.000 --> 00:47:18.960
about when you're looking at leadership in a

00:47:18.960 --> 00:47:20.820
business or an organization, which is that difference

00:47:20.820 --> 00:47:23.420
between sometimes what we called, and we had

00:47:23.420 --> 00:47:25.219
a conversation about this, which is the visionary

00:47:25.219 --> 00:47:28.250
and the integrator. Because it's essential to

00:47:28.250 --> 00:47:30.610
have both. It's essential for both to value the

00:47:30.610 --> 00:47:33.449
other and understand what that is. Because you

00:47:33.449 --> 00:47:36.610
don't have to be front and center to have immense

00:47:36.610 --> 00:47:39.380
impact on an organization. yeah right in fact

00:47:39.380 --> 00:47:41.659
adam grant speaking of him talks a lot about

00:47:41.659 --> 00:47:43.380
that like sometimes it's actually the person

00:47:43.380 --> 00:47:45.980
who's more quiet who actually has more to say

00:47:45.980 --> 00:47:47.860
and we should probably listen to yeah i remember

00:47:47.860 --> 00:47:50.480
him saying that yeah and i'm i'm with it i think

00:47:50.480 --> 00:47:52.320
he's right i think he's right okay sorry i had

00:47:52.320 --> 00:47:54.320
a detour that's okay i forgot to talk about that

00:47:54.320 --> 00:47:56.179
i love it yeah came to my mind and i just had

00:47:56.179 --> 00:47:59.599
to circle back okay um making crafts or working

00:47:59.599 --> 00:48:02.940
in the garden crafts big craft gal not a big

00:48:02.940 --> 00:48:06.179
garden gal i'm a i love grandma hobbies I love

00:48:06.179 --> 00:48:07.900
all the groundwork. You like crochet and knit?

00:48:07.900 --> 00:48:10.159
Yeah, I just learned to crochet. I don't know

00:48:10.159 --> 00:48:13.360
how to knit, but that's on the radar. I love

00:48:13.360 --> 00:48:16.679
to quilt, cross -stitch. My 10 -year -old daughter

00:48:16.679 --> 00:48:18.559
is learning how to crochet. Oh, yeah. In fact,

00:48:18.599 --> 00:48:20.099
when I left this morning and I was telling her

00:48:20.099 --> 00:48:21.639
goodbye, she was on her bed, and she's like,

00:48:21.679 --> 00:48:24.139
got this book, and she's like, do it. I'm like,

00:48:24.260 --> 00:48:26.400
all right, girl, get it. Girl, learn how to crochet

00:48:26.400 --> 00:48:28.360
at 10. This is amazing. It's really fun, yeah.

00:48:29.019 --> 00:48:33.030
Okay, river or lake? Lake. I assume so. Once

00:48:33.030 --> 00:48:34.610
I learned that, like, you got a house on a lake,

00:48:34.690 --> 00:48:36.190
I'm like, it's got to be the lake. It's the lake.

00:48:36.190 --> 00:48:39.230
It's got to be the lake. Yeah. Okay, fair. Physical

00:48:39.230 --> 00:48:45.050
book or audio book? Okay, I'm strange. I'm always

00:48:45.050 --> 00:48:48.309
reading three. I always have a physical, an audio,

00:48:48.489 --> 00:48:51.389
and a Kindle. I'm always in three books. Oh,

00:48:51.389 --> 00:48:54.030
wow. Because there's always an opportunity to,

00:48:54.090 --> 00:48:56.269
like, my Kindle's when I'm trying to, you know,

00:48:56.269 --> 00:49:01.130
fall asleep and it's dark. And audio is if I'm

00:49:01.130 --> 00:49:03.389
out walking. And I just like a physical. I'll

00:49:03.389 --> 00:49:05.730
never give up on physical books. So if I had

00:49:05.730 --> 00:49:07.869
to choose physical. Okay, if you had to choose,

00:49:07.929 --> 00:49:09.769
that's what it would be. Yeah. I have fully given

00:49:09.769 --> 00:49:11.429
up on physical books. Yeah, and I get it. Oh,

00:49:11.429 --> 00:49:13.769
and I can't go back. But I've always been a reader.

00:49:13.929 --> 00:49:15.929
Yeah. And there's just nothing that makes me

00:49:15.929 --> 00:49:19.329
more happy than a library or a bookstore. I do.

00:49:19.409 --> 00:49:22.630
There is something fun about a library. I mean,

00:49:22.650 --> 00:49:24.650
I grew up going to it. My dad's a school teacher.

00:49:24.789 --> 00:49:26.730
And so we would go to the library all the time.

00:49:26.730 --> 00:49:29.650
The smell of a book. There is something to that.

00:49:30.469 --> 00:49:34.489
I'm also just lazy and like holding it open and

00:49:34.489 --> 00:49:35.750
like you're sitting there to like lay in bed

00:49:35.750 --> 00:49:37.650
and you're like, you know, falling on your face.

00:49:38.369 --> 00:49:40.190
That's why the Kindle can be nice. So you just

00:49:40.190 --> 00:49:41.909
do all three. That's right. I like the idea of

00:49:41.909 --> 00:49:44.550
all three. It's great. Okay. Beach or mountains?

00:49:45.789 --> 00:49:48.710
Mountains. Yeah. Okay. That surprises me. I was

00:49:48.710 --> 00:49:50.130
thinking you were going to go beach. Tell me

00:49:50.130 --> 00:49:52.880
more. I guess sunburns. okay and i get a little

00:49:52.880 --> 00:49:55.159
yeah that's true i get a little bored i want

00:49:55.159 --> 00:49:57.559
like a half a day on the beach yeah but that's

00:49:57.559 --> 00:50:00.099
oregon's great then you get a little both but

00:50:00.099 --> 00:50:02.739
it's kind of cold too it is it's not not not

00:50:02.739 --> 00:50:04.739
as hot but it's not as easy to get burned either

00:50:04.739 --> 00:50:06.880
because it's not that searing heat the uv is

00:50:06.880 --> 00:50:09.059
not quite so high oregon coast is beautiful though

00:50:09.059 --> 00:50:11.800
oh my goodness you're on the beach with the mountains

00:50:11.800 --> 00:50:14.519
right there Beautiful. I'm assuming Cannon Beach

00:50:14.519 --> 00:50:16.260
is one you've been to as well there, which is

00:50:16.260 --> 00:50:18.800
just phenomenal. Have you been to Astoria? Yeah.

00:50:19.079 --> 00:50:23.599
Oh, goodness. The cutest city. It is the cutest

00:50:23.599 --> 00:50:26.460
city. It's just like it's right out of a movie.

00:50:26.539 --> 00:50:29.039
And it literally is. Right out of Goonies and

00:50:29.039 --> 00:50:31.119
Kindergarten Cop. Oh, I didn't know that one.

00:50:31.219 --> 00:50:34.659
But it's also like that's why because it's just

00:50:34.659 --> 00:50:37.480
that way. It's just this like picturesque little

00:50:37.480 --> 00:50:42.750
town. Yeah. Love it. Okay. Soda? Or dirty soda?

00:50:42.969 --> 00:50:45.510
Dirty soda. Oh, you're a dirty soda gal. Okay,

00:50:45.510 --> 00:50:47.570
what's your dirty soda of choice? Usually, if

00:50:47.570 --> 00:50:51.710
I do it, I'll get either a Diet Coke or a Diet

00:50:51.710 --> 00:50:54.519
Dr. Pepper with lime and coconut. just not very

00:50:54.519 --> 00:50:57.639
good combo kind of basic i mean i love it um

00:50:57.639 --> 00:51:00.099
you know when i go to like swig or these places

00:51:00.099 --> 00:51:03.420
i usually just get the soda and i'm like why

00:51:03.420 --> 00:51:05.699
am i here i know it's because somebody else is

00:51:05.699 --> 00:51:07.519
i'm like i guess i'll go and i'll you know pay

00:51:07.519 --> 00:51:09.500
twice as much for just getting the soda my favorite

00:51:09.500 --> 00:51:12.260
thing though they have a water like it's a strawberry

00:51:12.260 --> 00:51:16.119
breeze that's my favorite really yeah it's water

00:51:16.119 --> 00:51:19.800
with coconut and little strawberry. That's kind

00:51:19.800 --> 00:51:21.420
of what I get. So I don't drink as much soda,

00:51:21.480 --> 00:51:23.420
but just because this is so good. That's probably

00:51:23.420 --> 00:51:26.719
a good thing. I should drink less soda. Okay.

00:51:26.960 --> 00:51:31.159
Board game or a puzzle? Puzzle. Big puzzle. You

00:51:31.159 --> 00:51:34.340
big puzzle family or just you? Yeah. I mean,

00:51:34.380 --> 00:51:37.519
certain members love a puzzle, but I love a puzzle.

00:51:37.699 --> 00:51:41.199
Yeah. My wife loves a puzzle. Like her and her

00:51:41.199 --> 00:51:44.119
family can get together and just like... silence

00:51:44.119 --> 00:51:47.539
do this puzzle for hours and I'm like I'm like

00:51:47.539 --> 00:51:49.920
falling asleep I'm like yeah you wake me up when

00:51:49.920 --> 00:51:52.320
you've got a few left and you know I'll figure

00:51:52.320 --> 00:51:54.900
it out at that point yeah okay let's move to

00:51:54.900 --> 00:51:57.039
our rapid -fire okay so just first one that comes

00:51:57.039 --> 00:51:59.079
to your mind no pressure you know there's no

00:51:59.079 --> 00:52:00.980
right answers here we won't we won't criticize

00:52:00.980 --> 00:52:04.639
you for an answer okay favorite Disney movie

00:52:04.639 --> 00:52:11.880
Encanto yeah favorite Disney song Okay, I heard

00:52:11.880 --> 00:52:13.579
you ask someone else this, so I thought about

00:52:13.579 --> 00:52:16.719
it, and it depends on my mood. So true. That's

00:52:16.719 --> 00:52:18.579
a very fair point. Because there's a lot of fun

00:52:18.579 --> 00:52:20.880
ones, but the Lin -Manuel Miranda will always,

00:52:21.179 --> 00:52:25.300
any song from him is so good. But the Caterpillar

00:52:25.300 --> 00:52:28.920
one in Canto. Oh, yeah, Dos Oroguitas. How do

00:52:28.920 --> 00:52:32.139
you not cry? Oh, my goodness. But then if you

00:52:32.139 --> 00:52:34.500
want something that's kind of fun, it's the Hercules

00:52:34.500 --> 00:52:37.789
one that the muses sing. Oh, yeah, the gospel

00:52:37.789 --> 00:52:39.789
truth. Who puts the glad in gladiators. Yeah.

00:52:39.829 --> 00:52:42.050
Or zero to hero. Or gospel truth, too. I love

00:52:42.050 --> 00:52:44.469
that. Zero to hero. Anytime the muses sing. The

00:52:44.469 --> 00:52:46.010
muses are great in that show. They're just so

00:52:46.010 --> 00:52:48.369
good and sassy. They're so fun. I love it. I

00:52:48.369 --> 00:52:50.309
love the sass from them. So it just kind of depends

00:52:50.309 --> 00:52:54.489
on my mood. That's why I've got a good Disney

00:52:54.489 --> 00:52:56.829
playlist that we listen to. What's your favorite?

00:52:57.150 --> 00:53:03.190
If I had to pick one, it's either Family Madrigal

00:53:03.190 --> 00:53:06.019
or it's You're Welcome. oh yeah i think you're

00:53:06.019 --> 00:53:10.000
welcome was like i know why they didn't put that

00:53:10.000 --> 00:53:12.480
one up for being nominated for the oscar like

00:53:12.480 --> 00:53:15.639
i know why they didn't um how far how far i'll

00:53:15.639 --> 00:53:18.739
go like i get it but that was actually the best

00:53:18.739 --> 00:53:21.440
song from that movie and and it should i think

00:53:21.440 --> 00:53:22.559
they should have put it up and i think it should

00:53:22.559 --> 00:53:26.039
have won because it was such uh i don't know

00:53:26.039 --> 00:53:28.360
such a well -crafted song that was so memorable

00:53:28.360 --> 00:53:31.480
because it's lin -manuel yeah it's it was catchy

00:53:31.480 --> 00:53:33.380
and we don't talk about bruno's pretty amazing

00:53:33.380 --> 00:53:37.380
too but yeah but how far you'll go makes me cry

00:53:37.380 --> 00:53:40.239
sometimes yeah or let it go you know just yo

00:53:40.239 --> 00:53:44.000
yeah let it go did you like frozen too because

00:53:44.000 --> 00:53:46.800
i loved it yeah but the only disadvantage is

00:53:46.800 --> 00:53:49.880
my kids were older during the frozen era so we

00:53:49.880 --> 00:53:52.019
didn't get as familiar with those but They're

00:53:52.019 --> 00:53:54.639
wonderful. Yeah, whereas, like, my two girls,

00:53:54.719 --> 00:53:56.460
my two little girls, when Frozen 2 came out,

00:53:56.500 --> 00:53:58.719
they were, like, prime age for it. Yeah. So I'd

00:53:58.719 --> 00:54:00.719
already liked Frozen 1, and then Frozen 2 comes

00:54:00.719 --> 00:54:02.860
out. Now I actually might like Frozen 2 more

00:54:02.860 --> 00:54:04.679
than Frozen 1. That's a hot take, everybody.

00:54:04.900 --> 00:54:06.820
A hot take. It's a hot take. I know it's a few

00:54:06.820 --> 00:54:08.480
years since that came out. But Frozen 3 is going

00:54:08.480 --> 00:54:10.119
to come out, so we'll see. Oh, is it? Yeah, next

00:54:10.119 --> 00:54:11.980
year, I think. Oh, great. They've been recording

00:54:11.980 --> 00:54:15.059
with Kristen Bell. I saw that post because she's

00:54:15.059 --> 00:54:17.639
amazing. She is. Okay. Favorite Disney princess?

00:54:18.039 --> 00:54:24.110
Speaking of princesses. Well, Mulan is just different.

00:54:24.269 --> 00:54:27.730
And I love that. I love the ones that are just

00:54:27.730 --> 00:54:31.130
a little more adventurous. So I love Moana. They

00:54:31.130 --> 00:54:34.469
don't have to be these perfect girls. Because

00:54:34.469 --> 00:54:39.969
I love maybe a rule. Like I said, I love rule

00:54:39.969 --> 00:54:43.349
breakers. I admire it so much. Someone who's

00:54:43.349 --> 00:54:45.489
willing to put themselves out there. Okay, so

00:54:45.489 --> 00:54:47.309
I'm actually going to throw in another this or

00:54:47.309 --> 00:54:49.650
that because it's going to lead to my next question

00:54:49.650 --> 00:54:52.400
for the rapid fire. disneyland or disney world

00:54:52.400 --> 00:54:56.000
it'll probably always be disneyland that's where

00:54:56.000 --> 00:54:58.500
i grew up going but i have a real love for disney

00:54:58.500 --> 00:55:02.360
world too same yeah same the nostalgia is unmatched

00:55:02.360 --> 00:55:04.500
for me in disneyland it just is is unmatched

00:55:04.500 --> 00:55:07.099
yeah but boy i love me some disney world i know

00:55:07.099 --> 00:55:10.320
i'm not gonna say no to it exactly i will never

00:55:10.320 --> 00:55:13.579
say no yeah um okay so that being said favorite

00:55:13.579 --> 00:55:20.019
ride at disneyland okay um That's hard, because

00:55:20.019 --> 00:55:22.739
my favorite ride is in Disney World, actually.

00:55:22.800 --> 00:55:24.159
Okay, and what's your favorite ride? Guardians

00:55:24.159 --> 00:55:27.599
of the Galaxy. Oh, Epcot? And Epcot. It's because

00:55:27.599 --> 00:55:30.639
it's just incredible. It's fun every single time,

00:55:30.800 --> 00:55:34.920
every single time. And I'm older, and it's really

00:55:34.920 --> 00:55:38.880
gentle on, you know, it just puts you into those

00:55:38.880 --> 00:55:41.440
curves. And just the whole presentation of it,

00:55:41.460 --> 00:55:43.739
where they've infused in the whole story to it,

00:55:43.760 --> 00:55:46.260
and you see things projected. I mean, I don't

00:55:46.260 --> 00:55:48.670
know, I was listening to a... disney podcast

00:55:48.670 --> 00:55:49.849
actually the other day and they were talking

00:55:49.849 --> 00:55:52.110
about i think it cost a billion dollars to build

00:55:52.110 --> 00:55:54.170
and i'm like worth everything worth every penny

00:55:54.170 --> 00:55:57.010
because i love it yeah but pirates probably in

00:55:57.010 --> 00:56:00.389
disneyland pirates which is so good yeah it's

00:56:00.389 --> 00:56:03.889
one of those classics pirates cars for me it's

00:56:03.889 --> 00:56:07.119
cars at night oh yeah cars at night is like it's

00:56:07.119 --> 00:56:10.239
magic yeah my wife and i both love cars at night

00:56:10.239 --> 00:56:12.619
like we like wait intentionally to go on that

00:56:12.619 --> 00:56:14.219
ride until it's nighttime so we can go on i'm

00:56:14.219 --> 00:56:17.679
just like cruising through the the little town

00:56:17.679 --> 00:56:21.340
yeah such such a fun place at night that's a

00:56:21.340 --> 00:56:24.380
great place at night okay which incanto character

00:56:24.380 --> 00:56:30.239
do you relate to most um probably isabel okay

00:56:30.239 --> 00:56:33.320
yeah totally fair perfectionist What's your favorite

00:56:33.320 --> 00:56:39.860
book right now? Oh, man. I have so many books

00:56:39.860 --> 00:56:42.559
I love. That's why I threw in the right now because

00:56:42.559 --> 00:56:43.980
I was like, when I was thinking about myself,

00:56:44.139 --> 00:56:45.440
I was like, man, of all time, I don't really

00:56:45.440 --> 00:56:46.920
know that I could answer that question. But like

00:56:46.920 --> 00:56:48.300
right now, okay, I probably could come up with

00:56:48.300 --> 00:56:53.579
one. Well, I do. I like any book. I'm so. I just

00:56:53.579 --> 00:56:56.699
love to read so much. But I think that, have

00:56:56.699 --> 00:56:59.519
you heard of the Emma M. Lyon books? Those are

00:56:59.519 --> 00:57:03.320
delightful books. They're like kind of a Pride

00:57:03.320 --> 00:57:08.699
and Prejudice type language, but funny. Actually,

00:57:09.079 --> 00:57:12.300
Pride and Prejudice is funny too. But I'm reading

00:57:12.300 --> 00:57:15.280
a sci -fi book right now that is... Giving me

00:57:15.280 --> 00:57:17.519
life and I don't know is this the one that I

00:57:17.519 --> 00:57:20.320
we talked about before dungeon crawler Carl Yeah,

00:57:20.360 --> 00:57:22.780
that has got to be on my list. I've got to download

00:57:22.780 --> 00:57:25.719
that not to tell me what you think Kindle unlimited.

00:57:25.980 --> 00:57:28.949
Yeah it's really unlimited yeah and they're like

00:57:28.949 --> 00:57:31.909
eight books out holy moly so you're set i know

00:57:31.909 --> 00:57:33.530
i'm gonna be because that is the thing i hate

00:57:33.530 --> 00:57:35.710
waiting for books to have to come out in a series

00:57:35.710 --> 00:57:37.570
it's i get so impatient with that and then yeah

00:57:37.570 --> 00:57:39.190
you go back and reread them so the fact there's

00:57:39.190 --> 00:57:40.650
eight out is perfect because then i can just

00:57:40.650 --> 00:57:43.230
dive into them yeah it sounds amazing but those

00:57:43.230 --> 00:57:45.789
are i i'll think back on this and hate this answer

00:57:45.789 --> 00:57:48.909
so much so but i i love every book i love books

00:57:48.909 --> 00:57:50.929
you just love books uh i mean books are so great

00:57:50.929 --> 00:57:56.280
um comfort food what's your comfort food um I

00:57:56.280 --> 00:57:59.559
love spaghetti. Good spaghetti is delicious.

00:57:59.719 --> 00:58:08.059
So good. Dream vacation spot? Europe. I love,

00:58:08.179 --> 00:58:12.940
we just went on to the UK. And we spent, I spent

00:58:12.940 --> 00:58:15.940
several weeks there. And just going all around.

00:58:16.039 --> 00:58:21.320
Because I love getting to know other cultures.

00:58:22.860 --> 00:58:25.980
history. I love history. I don't remember it

00:58:25.980 --> 00:58:30.380
well, but I love history. And Europe's a great

00:58:30.380 --> 00:58:33.159
place for that. Yeah. So, so probably I would

00:58:33.159 --> 00:58:37.440
love, you know, a real good, like either France

00:58:37.440 --> 00:58:40.559
or Italy, just like diving in and spending a

00:58:40.559 --> 00:58:42.820
few weeks there. And just Spain I've heard is

00:58:42.820 --> 00:58:46.400
wonderful. yeah i mean france give me give me

00:58:46.400 --> 00:58:47.599
a little paris and i'm there because i would

00:58:47.599 --> 00:58:50.000
go to disneyland paris a hundred percent have

00:58:50.000 --> 00:58:52.300
you been there no so i've been to new york but

00:58:52.300 --> 00:58:55.539
only for three days it was kind of a and and

00:58:55.539 --> 00:59:00.599
i i actually felt something there like there's

00:59:00.599 --> 00:59:02.659
a part of me there yeah i don't know it's one

00:59:02.659 --> 00:59:05.179
of those it's a little cliche but i felt it there

00:59:05.179 --> 00:59:07.280
i mean there's a reason why it's so popular because

00:59:07.280 --> 00:59:09.320
a lot of people feel that way about it right

00:59:09.320 --> 00:59:11.780
i mean i'm also a big uh believer in like the

00:59:12.329 --> 00:59:14.030
experiencing the food of the place you go to

00:59:14.030 --> 00:59:16.349
yeah yeah in france there's almost no better

00:59:16.349 --> 00:59:18.489
place maybe italy would be better but yeah uh

00:59:18.489 --> 00:59:20.369
boy those are two are pretty high on the list

00:59:20.369 --> 00:59:24.849
around every corner yeah no doubt about it okay

00:59:24.849 --> 00:59:28.289
so the way that we like to end every episode

00:59:28.289 --> 00:59:33.190
is our guest giving us three actionable takeaways

00:59:33.190 --> 00:59:36.489
uh based on the topic that we were discussing

00:59:36.489 --> 00:59:41.690
okay so for you What are three things that somebody

00:59:41.690 --> 00:59:45.409
could put into effect in their life today or

00:59:45.409 --> 00:59:48.650
this week that could help them when it comes

00:59:48.650 --> 00:59:54.329
to overcoming fear of failure, working through

00:59:54.329 --> 00:59:57.030
or past perfectionism, right? Trying to find

00:59:57.030 --> 01:00:00.730
more self -worth for understanding kind of who

01:00:00.730 --> 01:00:03.789
they are. What would your three... actionable

01:00:03.789 --> 01:00:06.829
takeaways be? We talked about it one time, but

01:00:06.829 --> 01:00:10.909
curiosity to me is one of the most important

01:00:10.909 --> 01:00:13.309
traits that a person can have. And I've really

01:00:13.309 --> 01:00:17.809
tried to instill that. And so a lot of times

01:00:17.809 --> 01:00:20.190
when I hear something that I just don't, I instantly

01:00:20.190 --> 01:00:23.510
put a guard up with. I've learned to say what

01:00:23.510 --> 01:00:26.150
I've kind of... I'm checking myself. Like, why

01:00:26.150 --> 01:00:29.130
do you feel this way? Why do you feel so strongly

01:00:29.130 --> 01:00:31.010
about this? And I'll just start to be curious

01:00:31.010 --> 01:00:33.889
about why I have this guard up and then just

01:00:33.889 --> 01:00:37.070
asking questions. We should never be afraid to

01:00:37.070 --> 01:00:42.949
ask questions, ask why and figure out why you

01:00:42.949 --> 01:00:45.550
maybe responded a certain way. Curiosity to me

01:00:45.550 --> 01:00:50.510
is so good. And that just goes right into a little

01:00:50.510 --> 01:00:55.340
like. Well, I don't know if it goes into it,

01:00:55.360 --> 01:00:58.679
but that that whole self abandonment thing to

01:00:58.679 --> 01:01:02.880
being true to yourself, because I think if I'd

01:01:02.880 --> 01:01:05.420
shown if I had shown a little more curiosity

01:01:05.420 --> 01:01:08.239
in those early years, I would have instead of

01:01:08.239 --> 01:01:11.619
conforming and just doing what I thought I was

01:01:11.619 --> 01:01:15.199
supposed to be doing. Why do I feel this way?

01:01:15.280 --> 01:01:19.019
And, you know, and really exploring that that

01:01:19.019 --> 01:01:25.639
whole thing with. feeling a little bit stuck.

01:01:25.739 --> 01:01:28.840
Yeah. But not understanding why you're thinking

01:01:28.840 --> 01:01:30.820
this is, this is what you're supposed to be doing

01:01:30.820 --> 01:01:33.340
and it's good and it is, but also why do you

01:01:33.340 --> 01:01:36.400
feel this way? So that curiosity. Okay. You know,

01:01:36.400 --> 01:01:40.579
I love it. So, um, if, if I can, uh, um, kind

01:01:40.579 --> 01:01:42.539
of recap to see if I'm getting this correct,

01:01:42.619 --> 01:01:45.920
cause I love this. I would say, as I understand

01:01:45.920 --> 01:01:48.760
it this week, if somebody feels like their guard

01:01:48.760 --> 01:01:52.960
goes up, ask. First, be curious. Yeah. Be curious

01:01:52.960 --> 01:01:56.239
as to why. Yeah. Ask questions to figure out

01:01:56.239 --> 01:02:00.639
why that guard went up. And then maybe be adventurous

01:02:00.639 --> 01:02:02.820
and try something new to be true to yourself

01:02:02.820 --> 01:02:05.380
and not self -abandon. Yeah. I think so. Did

01:02:05.380 --> 01:02:07.980
I get that right? Yeah. Because we all do that.

01:02:08.019 --> 01:02:10.119
You hear something, maybe it's on social media

01:02:10.119 --> 01:02:13.619
or a person at work or someone, and you're instantly

01:02:13.619 --> 01:02:15.559
like, I don't know about that. I don't think

01:02:15.559 --> 01:02:19.099
so. But do you really not know? And maybe there's

01:02:19.099 --> 01:02:23.059
an opportunity to learn from a person and be

01:02:23.059 --> 01:02:26.960
open to their information. There's a lot. I mean,

01:02:26.980 --> 01:02:30.500
this can go even into work where maybe you hear

01:02:30.500 --> 01:02:33.829
some feedback that you don't like. But their

01:02:33.829 --> 01:02:37.309
reality is their reality, right? And maybe it's

01:02:37.309 --> 01:02:39.730
about you. And you have to kind of think to yourself,

01:02:40.250 --> 01:02:44.610
okay, take a deep breath and listen to the feedback

01:02:44.610 --> 01:02:47.730
and learn from it. That's why I love the trigger

01:02:47.730 --> 01:02:49.389
point that you're explaining, which is when your

01:02:49.389 --> 01:02:51.369
guard goes up. Because I hadn't thought about

01:02:51.369 --> 01:02:53.889
it through that lens of like, next time my guard

01:02:53.889 --> 01:02:57.070
goes up, go through this. Hit these things because

01:02:57.070 --> 01:02:59.789
that's a trigger to say like, okay, if my guard's

01:02:59.789 --> 01:03:02.269
going up, I need to dig in. I need to be a little

01:03:02.269 --> 01:03:04.110
more curious. I need to figure this out. I love

01:03:04.110 --> 01:03:06.550
that. Yeah. It's fantastic. Well, Angie, thank

01:03:06.550 --> 01:03:08.750
you so much for being on with us today. We are

01:03:08.750 --> 01:03:14.210
inspired by you, by your path, by the things

01:03:14.210 --> 01:03:17.530
that you've overcome and shown people in general,

01:03:17.570 --> 01:03:21.610
but certainly women, of stepping into your power

01:03:21.610 --> 01:03:24.670
and who you are and not being afraid to try something

01:03:24.670 --> 01:03:27.090
new, learning what your skills are and that you

01:03:27.090 --> 01:03:30.539
really can. do other things and do all the things

01:03:30.539 --> 01:03:32.980
and find even more happiness in your life. So

01:03:32.980 --> 01:03:35.239
just such a pleasure visiting with you. Thank

01:03:35.239 --> 01:03:39.000
you. I enjoyed it too. Got it. As you leave this

01:03:39.000 --> 01:03:42.059
conversation, remember that yes, the past can

01:03:42.059 --> 01:03:45.019
hurt and you can either run from it or you can

01:03:45.019 --> 01:03:48.280
learn from it. So here's to learning and finding

01:03:48.280 --> 01:03:50.920
joy in the journey. See you real soon.