The Rarest Club in Pro Football History (NFL + CFL + NFL Europe)

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We are those guys. I'm Alex Hardy with me as

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always Nick Ferguson 10 years in the NFL also

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Relevant for what we're gonna do today We have

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got CFL experience. We've got NFL Europe experience

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Nick Ferguson. What's going on my man? What'd

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it do? So Alex we do we are we are just in the

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throws of the NFL off season. And there isn't

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going to be breaking news every day, but that

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doesn't matter because I still want to leverage

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the experience that Nick had around the game

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of football. And I thought we'd do something

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a little bit different. I wanted to bring trivia

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to you today, Nick. You have an important distinction.

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So this was, this was my, this is something that,

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you know, I've known you for a long time and

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never really dove into. You have experienced

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playing in the national football league, playing

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in the Canadian football league and an NFL Europe

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when the development program for the national

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football league was to send guys overseas. And

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I thought there can't be too many guys like Nick

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Ferguson that have logged regular game experience

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and all three of those levels. So I thought,

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Hey, why don't I just Google who's played in

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the NFL, the CFL and NFL Europe? And you know,

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it doesn't really produce a lot of results. There's

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no comprehensive list. So I kind of went forth

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Nick and I did some research and I did some research

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and in honor of you, Nick Ferguson, being as

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accomplished as you are across all of national

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football league and all across Canadian football

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league and NFL Europe as well. Here's what I

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have for you. And we're going to get things started

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in a trivia style. There are five players and

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I don't know this for sure. Here's the caveat.

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The research doesn't really exist. So I was sort

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of cross -referencing things on Wikipedia. I

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was going off NFL games. I was getting NFL games

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played via pro football reference. But I couldn't

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fact check every single name. I tried to do as

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best as I could. There are thousands of players

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that have been in the CFL, the NFL, and NFL Europe.

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So this is for you, Nick. We may even just cut

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this out of the episode. I had the entire list

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of every player. that had played in NFL Europe.

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And I just clicked and tried to find names that

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I knew played in the NFL and tried to see if

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they had CFL experience as well. So this is not

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an exhaustive list, but I'm pretty sure I've

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got five players who have played in NFL Europe,

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who have played in the CFL and who have logged

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at least a hundred NFL games. Now, see, I'll

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have to say, uh, With that being said, I just

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compiled a very short list of guys who played

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in the CFL, played in the NFL, played 100 games.

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Now, okay, now I don't have five, but I do have

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two guys who I know played in the NFL Europe,

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played in the NFL and logged 100 games. I just

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don't have five guys who've done... all of those

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things. So, I don't know if this is exhaustive

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research, but if you want to start, Nick, you

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know, certain guys of your era, some before,

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some during, I guess the best way to roll this

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out, Nick, do you want to go with one of the

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surefire answers that you know? Yeah, I'll go

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with one of the surefire answers. Okay. My first

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is Warren Moon. I know Warren Moon played an

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NFL. Uh, I know he played in the CFL. Now there

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was no NFL Europe or World League when he was

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playing. So I guess that, uh, that's two out

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of three. That's right. So he, of course he has

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the CFL and the NFL experience. Like he was already

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starting in the NFL and has accomplished and

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in the running for MVPs, you know, at the time

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of NFL Europe. So Warren Moon has ruled out.

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Can we just... Can we just get to the part where

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you can give yourself a pat on the back? Cause

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one of those guys on that list is yours truly.

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Nick Ferguson. Yeah, I was trying not to count

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myself in the, in that total. You are one of

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the five. That was the whole impetus of this

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Nick. Nick Ferguson, as far as I know, has some

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of like almost the most games played in the NFL

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while also playing in Canada and in Europe. So

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just, you know, like just the ability to continue

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to grow, expand your game and advocate for yourself

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and your play getting recognized. You know, and

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Canadian football is clearly not the same sport

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as the NFL. So I just, I think you deserve a

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kudos. And I don't know, Nick, if the NFL Europe

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side is the under told story. And now is the

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time I'm supposed to have you with the Ryan fire.

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I mean, look, there were plenty of guys that

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went through that developmental program. You

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know who went on to Hall of Fame careers. I mean

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Kurt Warner comes to mind James Harrison was

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in NFL Europe. There are plenty of other examples

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He didn't play in the CFL though. No, he did

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not. Okay. So Nick your experience in NFL Europe

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was it I you know, I don't Where to begin like

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do you just your is it a letdown because you're

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leaving the National Football League You're leaving

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your family. You're flying across the Atlantic

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Ocean. I mean that whole experience to go play

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football in a foreign country, but like Germany

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and Ryan in particular, like you were selling

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out these soccer stadiums that would basically

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resemble NFL stadiums, like 50 ,000 people to

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see you play football. Yeah, those stadiums,

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I hate to say it, man. They were better than

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most NFL stadiums from the atmosphere and the

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way that the fans reacted to the game before

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and... after because they got that logger going

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early, man. So they they were juiced up. They

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were ready to go. I mean, I'm talking about from

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beginning to end. I mean, making noise. They

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were just as much as part of the game as we would

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see on any college campus. So, yeah, it was very

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unique of an experience for me. I was single

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at the time, so I had the ability to go around

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and travel and try to keep my career on track

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and just kind of building, you know, brick by

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brick. So, yeah, man, when I look back at it,

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Alex, it's hard to look at it in that way to

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say, okay, well, how many guys have actually

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played in those types of leagues? And there's

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only a small handful of guys that can say that

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they played in three, let alone two, let alone

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three. So that's Nick Ferguson your Nick Ferguson

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and the reason why I felt the need to find other

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guys that did what you did So that was my bar

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a hundred games played in the NFL that was also

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in Europe and in Canada You have 132 regular

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season games logged I did find one player who

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has more NFL games than you did that also played

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in Europe and also played in Canada Really? Yeah

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Okay, so who is that guy Ravens linebacker? Brandon

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Ian Badejo, right? So he and his brother, yep,

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he and his brother both played overseas, both

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played in the NFL. Brandon was the linebacker

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with the Ravens. His brother, I believe, was

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in Arizona, but he had started with the admirals,

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had time for three teams in Canada, but he logged

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142 games with the Baltimore Ravens. That, of

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course, after he was able to play you know, in

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NFL Europe and in Canada, because he had... How

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many games did he log in NFO, I'll say, NFO Europe

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and Canada? So he was a practice squad. He was

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undrafted out of UCLA. Two years bouncing around

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practice squads. Then he went Winnipeg, Toronto,

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XFL, then popped up with the Ravens, who sent

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him to Amsterdam. Once he left. Oh, I still got

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him beat because he didn't play that many games

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in the CFL. He then spent 2002 in British Columbia.

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So he's got three or two CFL seasons and XFL

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season. And then he spent time in NFL Europe

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as well before coming back and playing with the

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Dolphins, the Bears, and then the majority of

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his career with the Ravens and winning the Super

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Bowl as well with Baltimore. Yeah, but I'm OK.

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Well, he was. Brendan Amadejo, he was more of

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a special teams type of guy. Yeah, that's fair.

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Yeah, I'm thinking in those years he was with

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the CFL. I don't know how many games he actually

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started in the CFL. So with that being said,

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I still think he was a three time pro bowler

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for special teams play defense as well. So I

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just want to give him his flowers. And I swear,

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I found it. I found him this morning. And I thought

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going in, Nick Ferguson was going to be the most

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games logged across all, you know, with all three

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leagues. We do have a Super Bowl winner, Nick,

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who played both in the CFL and who was the Scottish

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Claymores in NFL Europe. He won a Super Bowl

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with the New York Giants, beating my beloved

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New England Patriots. Although You know, he's

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a special teamer as well. Who was that? Lawrence

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Tynes, the great Giants kicker. Oh. You know

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what? Tell me about Lawrence Tynes, Nick. OK,

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so Lawrence and I follow one another on X. So

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I have to reach out to him because this is new

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information. Because I only know him playing

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with the Giants. That's it. What are the teams

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going to do? So prior to that, he was undrafted

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by the Chiefs. He was part of the Scottish Claymores

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in 02 while, as a member of the Chiefs, came

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back and played for the Ottawa Renegades, which

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was, I think, the second stint in Ottawa. They

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had the Rough Riders, they had the Renegades,

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and then, I forget who they are now, but they...

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Ottawa Red Blacks. Red Blacks, that's right.

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And then returns to Kansas, and then once he

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leaves Canada, rejoins the Chiefs, and then...

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finish his career with the Giants and then that

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final season in Tampa. So a two -time Super Bowl

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champion with those New York Giants after he

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was in NFL Europe and the CFL. Wow. I have to

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give him a shout, man, because there are few

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of those guys in the trifectas. There's only

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a couple of us. Well, that had the 100 games

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log. There's We the honorable mentions list.

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There's some funny names that pop up. I mean,

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I will say like the NFL was very liberal with

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sending certain guys overseas just to get the

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game experience, right? They'd play. I mean,

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maybe maybe like correct me if I'm wrong. You

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would play games in the NFL and then they would

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send you overseas to get more games. So you would

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play NFL and NFL Europe games in the same season.

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Well, yeah, I think the NFL Europe season came

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first. And at the time, it was very positive

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because teams can allocate players. So that means

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for every player that you allocate, you get a

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chance to bring in two players for training camp,

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especially if the player you allocated plays

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at least 80 % of the time. That's why more teams

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were willing to assign players who were on their

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roster or just sign guys on future deals, send

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them over there, you know, allocate those guys

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and those guys will count and allow them to bring

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more guys in training camp. OK, awesome. So we've

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got two defensive players that round out 100

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games played while also playing in Europe and

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in Canada. Do you have any guesses? Both of these

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guys overlap with your playing career. They were

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in the NFL when you were in the NFL. Uh, and

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I, you know, it's, it's, it's a little open ended,

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but, um, do you, do you want to wager any kind

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of guesses? Do you need hints or should I just

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come out with it? Nah, just go ahead. Cause I

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have, I have no idea. Okay. So he spent the most

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of his career with the Jacksonville Jaguars.

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That was after he was with the Saskatchewan Rough

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Riders. and before he was in Jacksonville, they

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sent him over to Frankfurt. This is Paul Spicer,

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who won a Super Bowl with the Saints in 2009.

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He logged 117 games with the Jaguars and the

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Saints, but that includes stints in the Saskatchewan

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and Frankfurt. He was on that defensive line,

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Big John Henderson, Marcus Stroud. You know,

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that was a defense that got by your Broncos a

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couple of times in the playoffs. And I saw Paul

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Spicer play when the Jags came to Foxborough

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in the postseason one year. That's all I got.

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Paul Spicer. Sounded like a kicker's name, but

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me, it does. Come on, be totally honest, Paul

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Spicer, does it not sound like a kicker? I suppose.

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I mean, his story, you know, similar to yours,

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Nick, right? He goes D2 for college and then

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gets an opportunity as an undrafted player on

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Seattle's with Seattle, but gets waived and goes

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to the CFL before getting another opportunity

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in the NFL. I've got one more defensive player.

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He has time with the Saints as well. I'm talking

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Willie Whitehead who played on that Saints defensive

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line. 105 games played after he was in Frankfurt

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and played in Hamilton as well for the CFL. Really?

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Yeah. So what do we know about Willie Whitehead

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and that Saints defense or really just what it

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means? Because his journey was two years in the

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CFL, Goes to NFL Europe and then gets an opportunity

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with the Saints and he's there 99 until 06 Well,

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I mean kudos to him and all these other guys

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what it proves is a lot of perseverance and the

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fact that you know all you need is an opportunity

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and I remember Willie Whitehead man big dude

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man like massive dude and He had a he had a good

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career with the New Orleans Saints. He was really

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productive. So yeah, well shouts That's though.

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That's again not exhaustive But the best that

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I could do, I found five guys that had 100 games

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in the NFL while playing both Canada and NFL

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Europe. So Nick Ferguson, I mean, a distinguished

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list. I mean, what are your thoughts on my crack

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research? And, you know, the Holy Trinity will

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call from here on out. Well, I think that's a

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hell of a job on finding those. And did you?

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Kind of type that in the description as though

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you said it, players, 100 games in all three

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of those leagues. That was sort of the qualifier,

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but all I was doing, I had an entire list of

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NFL Europe players. Right? Just anyone who had

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been on a roster, alphabetized. And I'm just

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scrolling through and clicking on guys and seeing

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if they had NFL experience. If they had NFL experience,

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they go into a different bucket. And then I look

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to see on their Wikipedia page or just Googling

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straight up if they had CFL experience. Well,

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that's very interesting. But I will say when

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it comes to where the rubber meets the roll,

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I'll start there. I still have all of these guys

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beat. You know why? because none of these guys

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walked on to Power 5 school. There he is. There

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he is. See, that's the separator. See, that's

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where we start to separate, where the cream rise

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to the top. Yes, that adversity, that is struggle.

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All I can do, I'm feverishly Googling if I and

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Vadejo walked onto UCLA. I don't think so, but

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you know. I don't think Paul Spicer, Willie Whitehead

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on his ties, Brendan Abbe, no, nope, nope, nope.

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All right. He is Nick Ferguson. He's going to

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keep that feather in his cap, but his accomplishments

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don't need any more qualifiers on there to do.

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His greatest accomplishment of all, putting up

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with me for those guys. I'm Alex Hardy. He's

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Nick Ferguson. That's right. I always say 10

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-year NFL safety with the Broncos, with the Jets,

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with the Texans. But hey, with the Saskatchewan

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Rough Riders, with Winnipeg, with the Ryan Fire,

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like, represent Nick. What do you have to say

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to the people as we head on out of here? Hey,

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let this be a lesson, right? Your path and your

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journey is dictated by the decisions that you

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make and never allow someone to tell you what's

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impossible. Because as they would say, it's possible.

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There you go. Shout out Israel Adonis, who did

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not play in the CFL, but went to college in Canada

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and went to NFL Europe and played over 100 games

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in the NFL. Gosh darn it.