The Witch Movie Project Ep 5 - 'The Blair Witch Project' (1999) vs 'The VVitch' (2015)

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All right, Courtney, here we are.

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I'm so scared.

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We've got the, this is the found
footage version of our podcast

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here, The Witch Movie Project.

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If you can't tell already, the first
movie is The Blair Witch Project.

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We named the whole
project after this movie.

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Kind of.

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Kind of.

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We were also kind of lazy.

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We just said The Witch Movie Project.

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But,

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Yeah.

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It started to grow on me and then it just
became, yeah, it's, that's what it is.

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Cause it's a project for us.

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We're doing this.

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this thing together, and this week The
two movies on deck are, to me, they

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both defined almost a new type of genre.

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Uh, it's, you got the Blair Witch
Project, which was one of your

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original, the granddaddy of them,
all found footage horror movies.

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Yes.

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We'll get into that, and how
that found footage movie, It

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like leaked into real life.

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Like

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It's incredible!

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the other movie we have is
the A24 represent right there.

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I got my limited edition A24 shirt on.

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It's the A24s.

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The Witch, or The Vivitch,
as it's spelt out.

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The V V I T C H.

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That movie in its own is, to me, another
almost new genre defining type of film.

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I mean, you got something that's set in
the 1630s, it's historically accurate,

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there's no real, like, I mean, jump
scares, it's upshore a little bit, but

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it's not your typical horror movie.

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It's an atmospheric horror movie, really.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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A lot of cinematography
that goes into that.

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Yeah.

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Creepy woods.

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Both movies got the creepy woods.

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They're building this,
uh, this atmosphere.

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And it all builds to these finales
that are, you know, Basically in

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the film lore stuck there forever.

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Now these, these, the, the, the end
of the Blair Witch Project, it's not

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a spoiler, the final scene of the guy
standing against the wall, that's,

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that's, if you show that screen to
somebody, they're like, Oh yeah, Oh shit.

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That scared me.

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That's the Blair Witch Project, you know?

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So

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I heard, I saw a rumor.

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I mean, this is like internet rumor.

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Tell me what you think.

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But Stephen King even said, um, his
son had tried to show it to him and

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he said, you got to turn this off.

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It's too scary.

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now let's get into this.

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Let's just go ahead and start
with the Blair Witch Project.

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Yeah.

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What you just said right there.

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I don't know if this is true or not
because that's what this whole movie

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brought up in real life All the way,
let's go through some of the stuff

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that they set up in just the marketing.

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The Blair Witch herself, I
believe the lead actors thought

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that that was a real myth.

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Does that, does that make sense?

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A real myth?

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Cause, but, but that's, they were,
they were led to believe and then

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people thought after the movie
came out, the Blair Witch was real.

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Yeah.

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You have to remember this
is like nineties, 99.

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This is when, um, internet was
starting to really become like.

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A regular useful thing.

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More and more people like being able
to create their own websites and, um,

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use the internet for different things.

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And so I was just Because I, I mean I
obviously was alive during this era.

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I'm, I'm a little bit old.

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A little bit.

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Just a little bit.

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But, um, Yeah, I remember the
Blu ray was coming out and it

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being a huge, like, debate.

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Everybody being like, this was real,
they found these real, this real

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footage, all this, like, talk about it.

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And I'll admit, I didn't
see the movie back then.

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I, I don't know, I must
have missed the craze.

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I'm not sure what I was doing.

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But, I remember Well, but in researching
this and seeing that they created a

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website to say, you know, to market this
movie and to say, we found footage and

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everybody believing that everybody, I
mean, that kind of going viral, if you

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will, if that was even a thing back

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Oh, it was, yeah.

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Now,

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And everybody began
being like, Oh my gosh.

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So going to the movie theaters, thinking
were looking at real footage of people

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who'd gone missing and died in the

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it, excuse me, not only that, but in
the, in the marketing for this thing,

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the three main actors in the movie,
Heather, Donna, Hugh, Michael C.

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Williams and Joshua Leonard were
reported missing in real life,

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not outside the movie, before
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these people missing as a PR stunt.

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So there's all these things.

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Like you said, in the time
period, in the 90s, this is before

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misinformation really hit the
internet, like you said, we didn't.

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are like, this is real.

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If I'm seeing it, it's fact.

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I did see this in theaters.

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I remember going through
this and feeling this craze.

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I even remember, I was
pro wrestling at the time.

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I was a pro wrestler.

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I was a backyard wrestler at the time.

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And we held an event called Halloween.

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And the flyer for the event
was the Blaze Witch Project.

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That was my name.

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I was Blaze.

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And it was my eyes like that.

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Yep.

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And I remember people even being thinking
that was out, out there because they

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were like, Oh, well, how does their,
their event tie into the Blair Witch?

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It didn't.

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It was the Blaze Witch.

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It was me.

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So it was all deliberate
and a very, almost a prank.

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Yeah.

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Like it's almost a prank on
everybody to, to pull the wool

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over the eyes of the world.

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Cause nobody, nobody like it
was, it was more polarizing.

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Is it real or not?

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Then is it good or not?

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Right.

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And that, to me, was interesting.

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Because both these movies, you
got Blair Witch and you got The

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Witch, they are both polarizing
movies in their own right, because

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you've got two different spectrums.

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One side will say, oh, this was
boring, what, nothing even happened.

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I didn't see anything.

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And the other side will say, oh my god,
I was fucking terrified the entire time.

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There's really no in between.

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Did you?

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yeah.

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Well, I have to say, okay, so I've known
of the Blair Witch Project and the movie

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for all these years, all this time.

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And I will, I mean, maybe I should be
ashamed to admit this, but, This is

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the first time I actually watched the
movie in preparing for this today.

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I watched it twice,

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Okay.

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research, so the first time just to enjoy
it, just to soak it in, just to see it

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for the first time and be like, okay,
it's finally time for me to see this movie

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all about.

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I will admit the first time I
watched it, I was like, that was it?

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Because I was a little surprised.

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at how little happened when
so much was happening, right?

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Like, I guess I wasn't, I, I was
just a little taken aback by it.

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Like, wow.

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So all that lead up and all the like
running through the woods and the

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jostling of the camera and, you know,
seeing different kinds of weird little

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things happening throughout the movie.

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And then it ends

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yeah.

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with that, you know, creepy iconic
ending, but like, then it's over.

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It just ends.

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And I was like, that was it?

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That's crazy.

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Now, once again, this is a, this
is, that's going back to the period

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of time that it released in because
this was way before your A24 type

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movies with no happy endings.

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You got happy endings back then.

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You got the good outcome.

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Not here.

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So yeah, when the, when the
credits rolled, which a lot of

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people forgot to read the credits.

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It says, it basically says in
the credits it was made up.

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It's just real, real small.

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So when the people in real life went
searching Maryland for the Blair

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Witch after this movie came out,
if they'd have read the credits,

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it would have said it's not real.

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But!

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It was there.

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I mean,

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Now that did not impede
my love for the movie.

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Like I still, but I think that the
real like genius of this movie,

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well, I don't say real genius.

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I mean, like, There's a lot of genius to
the movie, the way it was filmed and the,

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what you have there, what you're watching,
but the whole story around it, like we're

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talking about all the buildup and the, you
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movie is kind of the more impressive part.

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If you think about it,
like I just am amazed.

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I mean, uh, Heather Donahue's mom,
even well after the movie was.

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It was released.

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People should have known by
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sympathy cards in the mail.

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So people were like, I'm so
sorry, your daughter's dead.

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And she's like, she's

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that's insane.

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Like that's, that just goes
to show the power of it,

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Yes.

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this movie.

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And then, and then after this
movie, thousands, thousands

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upon thousands of found footage,
horror movies have come out.

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Not all good.

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I will say I love watching them.

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AMC has a great documentary.

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Shudder has a great documentary
on found footage movies.

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You should check that
thing out if you haven't.

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Oh, that's interesting.

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Yeah.

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And all of the people going out to
make their own movies in the woods,

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all these people going out to, uh, to
experience something creepy or like

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this in the woods after this, they
said, uh, the 1999 2000 hunting season

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was the worst year on record because
so many people were in the woods

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filming their own little documentaries
that it scared all the wildlife away.

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That's incredible.

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I will say I was one of those.

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I was out in my woods in Tennessee and
I was, we were filming documentaries out

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in the woods, but I had my beanie on.

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We were ready.

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We were looking for witches.

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We were looking for them.

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We were looking for anything
out of the ordinary.

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Cause, hey.

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We just saw a movie hit the theaters
and make tons of money that had this

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that we thought might have been real.

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So why wouldn't people hit the woods, go
look for Bigfoot, go look for whatever

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things they think are out there.

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What's funny is

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the camera that they used in
the movie for Blair Witch.

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I had the same one.

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Most people did.

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They bought that thing at Circus City.

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I don't know if you remember Circus City.

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That was long before Best Buy.

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Best Buy put them out of business.

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This is probably why Best
Buy put them out of business.

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It's because people like the
creators of the Blair Witch.

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Return that camera to Circuit City
after the eight days of shooting

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that it took to make the Blair Witch.

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Mm

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So we got that refund to bring that
budget down a little bit more, but

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That same camera was
then sold for 10, 000.

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that's wild, is it not?

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What a, what a fact out.

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Yeah.

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This movie though,

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Movie

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you thinking when you watched it?

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Just from the beginning, you've
got the, you got them, you got them

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all Burkittsville sign, which has
been, that thing's been stolen three

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times now, but they're out there.

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history, right?

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Movie relics.

254
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we should go out there
and find that thing.

255
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Is it still there?

256
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I don't know.

257
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Next season, I'd like to have
that Burkittsville sign behind me.

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would be such a fun trip, wouldn't that?

259
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Oh, we're gonna have to make that.

260
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We could go, yeah, we
could go hit up Maryland.

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We could see all these little spots.

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It would be amazing.

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Oh, I'd love it.

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But what was your So, from the beginning,
what was your initial thoughts going

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in and seeing them in the car and then,
you know, they're playful, they're

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all this, they're talking about this.

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What were you feeling?

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Were you, did you feel like
you were immersed in it enough

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or were you an outsider still?

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Um, yeah, I, I was maybe sort of, um,
my actor was, you know, being real

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critical and kind of listening in on the
conversation and being like, how natural

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do I feel like this conversation is?

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Do I feel like it's scripted?

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Do I feel like they're stiff?

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And I did feel kind of like that, that
almost we don't know each other that

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well awkwardness in their banter, right?

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Which I mean, that would just be natural.

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It would be like, you know, would
some, some, uh, young people with

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access to camera making themselves
a little documentary, would they

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be like, let's film each other
getting ready and packing up and I'm

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going to tease you while we do it.

282
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And, then the switch from that to when
they would actually film something.

283
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Hmm.

284
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You know, even like at the
cemetery or things like that.

285
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And you had Heather being like
documentary voice going on.

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is the town

287
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Yeah.

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blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

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And you saw like that shift and then
the camera would switch back to just

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the banter and it was like, The F word
would come out and they would just be

291
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like, you know, and, um, so I was, I
was paying a lot of attention to that.

292
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Like, how do these characters interact?

293
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Like, does this feel natural to me or
does it feel like it's very like stiff?

294
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You know what?

295
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It's a good lead up to when
you're watching the beginning.

296
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It's a very good lead up to see how
they're going to react under stress later.

297
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Because when Heather, Mike and
Josh, they get lost, scared,

298
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they start hearing creepy noises.

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They're in a tent.

300
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You know, this is now, now you're
getting up until this point, it's

301
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It's just your full blown classic
set up for a bad night in the woods.

302
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Like it's, you know something
bad's about to happen.

303
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It's, it's this almost happy
and you're just going, you kind

304
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of go downward all the way.

305
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Like all the, you know what I mean?

306
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Like that's how it felt to me.

307
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From the atmosphere, you got
the shaky cameras, night vision,

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just like, well, and the
fact that they didn't have a

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cameraman, they had the actors.

310
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They were like, going to give
guys like a crash course in camera

311
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work and how to use the camera.

312
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then you're going to
shoot the whole thing.

313
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And we're just going to be out there.

314
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And the actors signed something
that said, you know, yeah, I'm

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okay with you messing with my
head, like messing with your heads.

316
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So they knew going into
this, like whatever reaction

317
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they want to get out of us.

318
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And to be in this movie, it needs
to be as natural as possible.

319
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So they're going to mess with us.

320
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and that banter and everything in the
movie that seems so natural is because

321
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basically they were not given scripts.

322
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They were given a 35 page document
that Outlined the mythology

323
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and the plot of this movie.

324
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Side of that, they were
supposed to do this.

325
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They were supposed to just ad
lib, banter, at 42 ish minutes

326
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in, when the tent's shaking.

327
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Yeah.

328
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Not scripted.

329
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So that's a real reaction.

330
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that was going to

331
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They didn't know what was gonna

332
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imagine they signed up for this
and it was probably terrifying.

333
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So, um, and the fact that.

334
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Like the, um, the legend
of the Blair Witch.

335
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They gave them that and
told them it was real.

336
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That this was a real legend, this
was a real town, this was real.

337
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Um, and then I had to look
into it further because the

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interviews with the townspeople
at the beginning was really cool.

339
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Everybody they interviewed
seemed so natural, so realistic.

340
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Um, they told the actors, Um, the three
main actors, they were real townspeople.

341
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And I would have believed that too.

342
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I would have been going into it being
like, Oh wow, these townspeople,

343
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these The one that intrigued me the
most was the woman with the child.

344
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happen.

345
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Thank you!

346
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and the child kept covering
her mouth and she was like, I

347
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know it's just a scary story.

348
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Don't worry.

349
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It's not true.

350
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It's really true.

351
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I thought

352
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just like,

353
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that That little piece, Ingrid
right there, to me, almost, without

354
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that, the rest of the movie, it
takes away from it a little bit.

355
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It doesn't ruin the movie, but if
you don't have that little piece,

356
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for some reason, to me, it stuck out.

357
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It felt genuine.

358
00:16:35,854 --> 00:16:37,404
Yes, the kid covered her mouth.

359
00:16:38,484 --> 00:16:41,344
The kid was not covering her mouth because
she knew what she was talking about.

360
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The kid was just covering her mouth.

361
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Like, she was ready to go.

362
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Bored.

363
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being kids.

364
00:16:44,859 --> 00:16:45,199
Right.

365
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Put me into it.

366
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And

367
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in the interviews and you have to really
like listen to what they're saying.

368
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Um, the guy who made the kids.

369
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Stand in the corner he killed one
child and then he would, you know,

370
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that's all like foreshadowing, right?

371
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And, and it's all important.

372
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You have to like really pay attention to
what they're saying, but could you imagine

373
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being the three main people and hearing
all this, thinking it's real, thinking

374
00:17:09,819 --> 00:17:11,319
they're real people telling you this?

375
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And then going into the woods to film.

376
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you're just out there like they are out
there and hearing stuff, not knowing

377
00:17:20,874 --> 00:17:23,934
what's going to happen, thinking this
might be a little bit real, not knowing.

378
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And they got, yeah, you got the
directors, you got people messing

379
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with them night after night.

380
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There's one crazy scene in
there where it's pitch dark.

381
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The cameraman's running out,
they're running and they're saying,

382
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At that moment, It was so intense that
there was a moment, there was a screen,

383
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it was supposed to be a pan to the left
where you actually saw the Blair Witch.

384
00:17:54,464 --> 00:17:58,844
You would have seen a white dress but
the cameraman, so frantic, didn't make

385
00:17:58,844 --> 00:18:01,624
that pan left and they never re shot it
so the Blair Witch didn't make an end.

386
00:18:02,734 --> 00:18:03,004
Yeah.

387
00:18:03,304 --> 00:18:04,064
To me that's crazy.

388
00:18:04,364 --> 00:18:06,384
curious to see what that
would have looked like?

389
00:18:06,684 --> 00:18:06,894
Oh,

390
00:18:07,094 --> 00:18:07,844
a picture.

391
00:18:07,854 --> 00:18:13,234
They, all these years later, if they
don't have a picture of that Blair

392
00:18:13,234 --> 00:18:14,574
Witch and what she looked like.

393
00:18:14,929 --> 00:18:15,799
They need to release it.

394
00:18:15,839 --> 00:18:16,629
I need to see.

395
00:18:17,574 --> 00:18:20,604
I mean, there's got to be
out there how she looks.

396
00:18:20,824 --> 00:18:22,084
I think it's in later movies.

397
00:18:22,084 --> 00:18:26,169
I think they made some movies and they
made them a little more, you know,

398
00:18:26,279 --> 00:18:27,589
I'll have to watch some next.

399
00:18:27,889 --> 00:18:30,109
They made some movies and they're
a little more Hollywood fied.

400
00:18:30,259 --> 00:18:32,329
Like it's not the found
footage type stuff.

401
00:18:32,899 --> 00:18:33,559
Um,

402
00:18:35,139 --> 00:18:35,399
Yeah.

403
00:18:35,420 --> 00:18:39,309
me it kind of takes away from,
from a little bit of what they did.

404
00:18:40,029 --> 00:18:41,409
They add more layers to it.

405
00:18:41,429 --> 00:18:45,389
There's actually a movie called
The Blair Witch and it's basically

406
00:18:45,389 --> 00:18:46,589
a remake of the documentary.

407
00:18:48,239 --> 00:18:48,689
Not good.

408
00:18:49,499 --> 00:18:49,989
It's not that good.

409
00:18:50,079 --> 00:18:53,219
heard not good things, but, which
is why I didn't go into that even

410
00:18:53,219 --> 00:18:54,709
when getting ready for this today.

411
00:18:54,749 --> 00:18:58,099
I wasn't gonna go and like,
watch all these other things.

412
00:18:58,129 --> 00:19:01,779
I wanted to just be like,
hey, fresh from this movie,

413
00:19:02,519 --> 00:19:04,689
watching it for the first time.

414
00:19:05,384 --> 00:19:10,144
then kind of looking into all of these
interesting facts behind the scenes.

415
00:19:10,794 --> 00:19:15,364
And yeah, I was really, um, intrigued
to be like, so in watching it the

416
00:19:15,374 --> 00:19:19,964
second time while taking my notes
was just like, I mean, you, I was

417
00:19:19,974 --> 00:19:24,584
probably like nose pressed to the
screen, like looking for every detail,

418
00:19:24,584 --> 00:19:26,244
like what's in the dark over there.

419
00:19:26,404 --> 00:19:27,544
What are they listening to?

420
00:19:27,544 --> 00:19:28,674
What is that sound?

421
00:19:29,424 --> 00:19:29,699
Yeah.

422
00:19:29,999 --> 00:19:30,919
What'd you pick up on?

423
00:19:30,919 --> 00:19:32,349
Anything, anything crazy in there?

424
00:19:33,304 --> 00:19:35,904
So I think the second time I watched
it, I was paying more attention

425
00:19:35,904 --> 00:19:37,224
to what sounds they were hearing.

426
00:19:37,244 --> 00:19:38,704
Cause it seemed like every night.

427
00:19:39,689 --> 00:19:40,109
Right?

428
00:19:40,159 --> 00:19:45,469
And the tension is building as
they're getting more and more lost.

429
00:19:45,509 --> 00:19:49,049
Um, they're, you know, Heather is
like, in the beginning she's totally

430
00:19:49,049 --> 00:19:50,879
like, I'm, I know where we're going.

431
00:19:50,879 --> 00:19:52,319
I've got, I don't even need the map.

432
00:19:52,319 --> 00:19:53,229
I know where we're going.

433
00:19:53,229 --> 00:19:53,929
I've got this.

434
00:19:54,599 --> 00:19:58,379
And you can see like the tension
between the three characters.

435
00:19:58,699 --> 00:20:03,429
And, uh, and then at night there's
like sounds that wake them up

436
00:20:03,429 --> 00:20:04,669
and she's trying to record.

437
00:20:04,669 --> 00:20:07,081
She wants to get that on camera,
wants to get the sound on there.

438
00:20:07,649 --> 00:20:15,139
Um, There was, um, I think it was the
one you're talking about when she yells,

439
00:20:16,749 --> 00:20:18,219
What the, what is that?

440
00:20:18,359 --> 00:20:18,699
is that?

441
00:20:18,699 --> 00:20:19,709
They're like, start running.

442
00:20:19,989 --> 00:20:22,019
I think it was children's sounds.

443
00:20:22,489 --> 00:20:22,979
Oh yeah.

444
00:20:23,479 --> 00:20:27,959
Children laughing, a baby crying,
and I guess the director had like

445
00:20:27,959 --> 00:20:33,909
recorded kids playing outside, then
played that on speakers at night when

446
00:20:33,909 --> 00:20:35,039
they were sleeping in their tent.

447
00:20:35,279 --> 00:20:39,389
So that's what they woke to, is
listening to like, children playing,

448
00:20:39,389 --> 00:20:41,869
singing songs, and babies crying.

449
00:20:41,969 --> 00:20:44,829
So you hear her say like, there
was a baby crying, and he's

450
00:20:44,829 --> 00:20:46,419
like, there's no baby out here.

451
00:20:46,719 --> 00:20:47,099
Yeah.

452
00:20:47,149 --> 00:20:47,599
Yeah.

453
00:20:47,649 --> 00:20:48,559
I love that part.

454
00:20:48,599 --> 00:20:54,299
And it just, to me, to me, so a lot, this
is what polarized a lot of people is that

455
00:20:55,169 --> 00:20:56,879
You got all this frantic stuff going on.

456
00:20:56,939 --> 00:20:57,502
It's shaky.

457
00:20:57,649 --> 00:21:01,519
People are in the theater getting sick,
but they, but there's people out there

458
00:21:01,519 --> 00:21:02,969
who are like, I didn't see anything.

459
00:21:03,469 --> 00:21:04,799
This was, this was awful.

460
00:21:04,839 --> 00:21:05,819
Like, what is this?

461
00:21:06,529 --> 00:21:10,579
But then you got me on the other
side, who's like, like terrified.

462
00:21:10,759 --> 00:21:14,759
I get it that it's almost like Jaws.

463
00:21:15,279 --> 00:21:17,239
In Jaws, you don't really see the shark.

464
00:21:17,899 --> 00:21:18,539
You don't see him.

465
00:21:18,699 --> 00:21:19,329
You don't see Jaws.

466
00:21:19,519 --> 00:21:21,289
And that's a whole story in itself.

467
00:21:21,769 --> 00:21:23,409
But this is the same type of situation.

468
00:21:23,409 --> 00:21:26,449
You don't have to see the evil
or the fear to know it's there.

469
00:21:27,149 --> 00:21:27,499
Yeah.

470
00:21:27,669 --> 00:21:27,989
Yeah.

471
00:21:27,989 --> 00:21:30,629
It's almost like I wonder the
difference between people who

472
00:21:30,629 --> 00:21:32,519
have a very vivid imagination.

473
00:21:32,909 --> 00:21:35,359
So they fill in the blanks themselves.

474
00:21:35,659 --> 00:21:36,089
Yeah,

475
00:21:36,099 --> 00:21:37,869
Um, and I'm a very imaginative person.

476
00:21:37,869 --> 00:21:39,159
That's just who I am.

477
00:21:39,159 --> 00:21:39,929
I've always been.

478
00:21:39,929 --> 00:21:44,879
So when I watch something like the
Blair Witch, I don't need to see what

479
00:21:44,889 --> 00:21:48,749
they might be seeing or experiencing
because my brain and my body is

480
00:21:49,089 --> 00:21:51,259
filling in all the details myself.

481
00:21:51,329 --> 00:21:53,609
And I'm like, this is terrifying.

482
00:21:54,769 --> 00:21:55,439
exactly.

483
00:21:55,439 --> 00:21:56,959
That's that's what it does.

484
00:21:57,009 --> 00:21:59,049
And this movie did a great job at that.

485
00:21:59,049 --> 00:22:02,629
And it's like I said, it was one
of the first of its time to come

486
00:22:02,629 --> 00:22:04,549
out with a found footage style.

487
00:22:05,249 --> 00:22:09,219
Um, we have the most terrifying.

488
00:22:10,159 --> 00:22:11,699
I mean, there's there's
a shot right there.

489
00:22:11,699 --> 00:22:11,979
Like

490
00:22:13,594 --> 00:22:14,594
In the corner.

491
00:22:15,489 --> 00:22:17,679
when he's standing in the
corner, and that's how ends

492
00:22:18,104 --> 00:22:18,684
Yes.

493
00:22:18,984 --> 00:22:20,249
haunted people for a long time.

494
00:22:20,249 --> 00:22:23,729
This image is stuck in
people's minds right here.

495
00:22:23,730 --> 00:22:24,643
Oh, yeah.

496
00:22:24,643 --> 00:22:26,014
I mean, me.

497
00:22:26,084 --> 00:22:32,844
the nose, uh, interview was parodied
and, and, you know, made fun of and

498
00:22:32,934 --> 00:22:36,794
brought back over and over again for the
next decade after this movie came out.

499
00:22:37,194 --> 00:22:38,774
It was like iconic images.

500
00:22:39,019 --> 00:22:41,579
of this movie that no
one's ever going to forget.

501
00:22:41,580 --> 00:22:44,099
The fear.

502
00:22:44,134 --> 00:22:45,474
we just started this whole episode.

503
00:22:45,474 --> 00:22:48,644
We just started talking about
this with, with a little homage.

504
00:22:48,684 --> 00:22:49,644
We got our beanies on.

505
00:22:49,664 --> 00:22:50,854
I got my flannel on.

506
00:22:51,364 --> 00:22:53,024
Like, I'm ready for the Blair Witch.

507
00:22:53,199 --> 00:22:54,339
the plaid shirt.

508
00:22:54,814 --> 00:22:56,454
Yeah, I, that's it.

509
00:22:56,464 --> 00:23:03,719
Like, this This movie, though, it
really did change an era, change

510
00:23:03,719 --> 00:23:07,189
the way we thought about movies,
regardless of how polarizing it was.

511
00:23:07,189 --> 00:23:10,069
I mean, some of the best things
out there are the most polarizing.

512
00:23:10,129 --> 00:23:10,979
Let's be real.

513
00:23:12,169 --> 00:23:13,349
What were your final thoughts on?

514
00:23:13,539 --> 00:23:14,499
Go ahead, you got something else?

515
00:23:14,609 --> 00:23:17,889
let's, let's just touch on some of the
things that they found in the woods.

516
00:23:17,889 --> 00:23:24,949
And I do want to mention that Wiccan
people, um, people who to the Wiccan

517
00:23:24,949 --> 00:23:30,539
faith, if you will, um, didn't
particularly like this movie and Um,

518
00:23:30,569 --> 00:23:33,904
you know, no surprise, it's because
they're like, you make witches look bad.

519
00:23:35,249 --> 00:23:42,379
the truth is, the movie was created out
of the folklore of witches being in the

520
00:23:42,379 --> 00:23:45,909
woods, and the woods being evil, right?

521
00:23:46,299 --> 00:23:50,699
And that has existed since the
beginning of folklore, um, Typically

522
00:23:50,699 --> 00:23:52,209
coming from a Christian background.

523
00:23:52,549 --> 00:23:58,739
A lot of those, um, fairy tales and
folklore we know about were designed,

524
00:23:58,759 --> 00:24:05,329
created, uh, written and told to warn
children and warn people about the

525
00:24:05,429 --> 00:24:08,319
evils of the untamed wilderness, right?

526
00:24:10,534 --> 00:24:11,874
So you have that idea.

527
00:24:11,874 --> 00:24:13,894
It's like, yeah, it does
make witches look bad.

528
00:24:13,894 --> 00:24:19,304
It does make, you know, certain
symbols like pentagrams or, um,

529
00:24:20,214 --> 00:24:22,424
a lot of people get scared when
they see symbols like that.

530
00:24:22,424 --> 00:24:25,774
And even when they go into the woods
and they have the piles of rocks,

531
00:24:25,784 --> 00:24:28,484
they get scared because they're
like, who put these rocks here?

532
00:24:28,519 --> 00:24:28,939
Yeah,

533
00:24:29,264 --> 00:24:35,749
And the, the hanging, um, kind of symbols
and things that are in the branches.

534
00:24:35,944 --> 00:24:39,304
They like walk around, they
find the voodoo shit, you

535
00:24:39,559 --> 00:24:43,339
let me jump in on that and tell you the
most unbelievable part in the whole movie.

536
00:24:43,519 --> 00:24:46,829
And it's when he says, Rednecks
aren't, can't be this creative.

537
00:24:46,829 --> 00:24:47,309
Yes, they can.

538
00:24:47,419 --> 00:24:48,789
I've, I've, I know Rednecks.

539
00:24:48,799 --> 00:24:49,699
I lived in Tennessee.

540
00:24:49,699 --> 00:24:51,039
I've seen more creative stuff than that.

541
00:24:51,329 --> 00:24:53,699
So that's the most unbelievable
part in the whole part.

542
00:24:53,929 --> 00:24:57,659
The whole movie is when he says,
Rednecks can't be this creative.

543
00:24:57,689 --> 00:24:58,269
Yeah, they can.

544
00:24:58,314 --> 00:24:58,724
okay.

545
00:24:58,754 --> 00:25:02,594
So we're offending witches and
rednecks all over the place here.

546
00:25:03,009 --> 00:25:03,649
go ahead though.

547
00:25:03,689 --> 00:25:04,379
But tell me more about.

548
00:25:04,544 --> 00:25:04,884
right.

549
00:25:05,104 --> 00:25:05,894
That's totally true.

550
00:25:05,924 --> 00:25:14,724
And, and honestly, that's just one of the
natural, um, even as children, we have

551
00:25:14,724 --> 00:25:19,784
these, um, natural tendencies to want to
create magic by bundling sticks together

552
00:25:20,084 --> 00:25:23,794
and making potions with mud and leaves
and herbs and whatever we find in the

553
00:25:23,794 --> 00:25:26,124
forest and, you know, things like that.

554
00:25:26,154 --> 00:25:29,184
It's our natural, like,
That's how kids play, right?

555
00:25:29,674 --> 00:25:33,514
When they see all these, like,
hanging, cool, like, you know,

556
00:25:33,554 --> 00:25:37,204
stick symbols and things like that,
and there's, like, one that looks

557
00:25:37,204 --> 00:25:41,294
like a hanging man, they had, like,
sculpted it into a, like, a twig man.

558
00:25:42,344 --> 00:25:47,994
All of that is symbology of certain
things, and it can be totally made up from

559
00:25:47,994 --> 00:25:52,024
someone who doesn't know anything about
witchcraft, or it could be intentional,

560
00:25:52,274 --> 00:25:57,859
like, I'm going to make this hanging
man and it's going to represent someone

561
00:25:57,859 --> 00:25:59,379
and, you know, putting it out there.

562
00:25:59,699 --> 00:26:06,439
Either way, I mean, it's all kind of part
of that, you know, society, but that sort

563
00:26:06,439 --> 00:26:09,179
of like symbolism that the wilderness has.

564
00:26:10,454 --> 00:26:10,854
That's awesome.

565
00:26:10,864 --> 00:26:13,404
That's great to point out
for people out there who are

566
00:26:13,404 --> 00:26:14,834
picking up those little pieces.

567
00:26:15,294 --> 00:26:22,414
And there's also some knowledge, I
guess, that the Blair Witch, it might

568
00:26:22,414 --> 00:26:23,654
have been based on the Bell Witch.

569
00:26:23,954 --> 00:26:27,624
Which, the Bell Witch was in Tennessee,
and there's a whole story about

570
00:26:27,624 --> 00:26:34,604
the Bell Witch basically attacking,
mostly invisible, the Bell Witch was

571
00:26:34,604 --> 00:26:38,373
invisible too, kind of how the movie
was, and attacked this Bell family.

572
00:26:38,424 --> 00:26:42,304
So, it's kind of loosely based on that.

573
00:26:42,719 --> 00:26:45,029
But, you know, how

574
00:26:45,079 --> 00:26:48,079
Well, in most of the folklore that you
see witches in, they're going to be

575
00:26:48,079 --> 00:26:51,729
in the woods because they're kind of
an outcast from society anyway, right?

576
00:26:51,729 --> 00:26:56,329
Baba Yaga, you know, those, those
stories, but even stories like Red

577
00:26:56,329 --> 00:27:00,589
Riding Hood or, you know, Um, you know,
most of the fairytales and folklore

578
00:27:00,589 --> 00:27:05,919
we know have something to do with
go, don't go in the woods, right?

579
00:27:05,919 --> 00:27:06,009
Yep.

580
00:27:06,309 --> 00:27:08,379
That the woods is where evil lies.

581
00:27:08,439 --> 00:27:10,419
Or darkness or the devil.

582
00:27:10,679 --> 00:27:15,579
And so if a witch is going to converse
with the devil, and we're gonna go into

583
00:27:15,579 --> 00:27:20,649
that in the witch movie, but it's all
going to happen in the wilderness or

584
00:27:20,649 --> 00:27:22,839
in the woods because they believed.

585
00:27:23,579 --> 00:27:27,039
least that's kind of the Christian
come from or the Christian ideology

586
00:27:27,039 --> 00:27:33,089
was that, um, that wilderness is bad,
that anything natural and wild is bad.

587
00:27:33,569 --> 00:27:40,399
Is conducive to evil, we need to be
tamed, we need to be, um, you know, our

588
00:27:40,399 --> 00:27:43,429
personal nature, but also the wilderness.

589
00:27:43,809 --> 00:27:49,469
So in order for like colonists and,
um, you know, coming from England

590
00:27:49,589 --> 00:27:52,469
or Europe to come and colonize
America, they would be like, well,

591
00:27:52,469 --> 00:27:54,749
we need to, we need to tame the wild.

592
00:27:55,199 --> 00:27:56,859
We need to convert the savages.

593
00:27:57,129 --> 00:28:02,759
We need to bulldoze this area of
all the trees, make a house, put

594
00:28:02,759 --> 00:28:07,419
fences around our property, make
our animals, put them into pens.

595
00:28:07,749 --> 00:28:10,929
Like we, we are going to
tame all this wilderness.

596
00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:12,789
It's manifest destiny, right?

597
00:28:13,259 --> 00:28:16,439
So that is where that
whole ideology comes from.

598
00:28:16,509 --> 00:28:21,059
Is that, um, you know, careful
of the woods because that's

599
00:28:21,059 --> 00:28:22,289
where evil lies, right?

600
00:28:23,249 --> 00:28:23,429
is,

601
00:28:24,969 --> 00:28:25,879
do you feel about the woods?

602
00:28:25,879 --> 00:28:26,529
You like the woods?

603
00:28:26,530 --> 00:28:28,055
Yeah.

604
00:28:28,169 --> 00:28:31,749
most people, most pagans, and even
non pagans, I mean I think most people

605
00:28:31,749 --> 00:28:36,469
will be like, actually, I feel the
most spiritual in the woods, in nature.

606
00:28:36,659 --> 00:28:39,339
When I go out, I feel my
natural self come out.

607
00:28:39,389 --> 00:28:44,589
I'm embracing the wildness of who
I really am, and that's connecting

608
00:28:44,589 --> 00:28:46,209
with the trees and the wilderness.

609
00:28:47,129 --> 00:28:48,719
danger in the wilderness.

610
00:28:48,739 --> 00:28:50,739
You can't, you have to respect it, right?

611
00:28:50,849 --> 00:28:55,909
The bears and the wolves live there and
they're just doing what's natural to them.

612
00:28:56,119 --> 00:28:57,879
They're not out to kill me.

613
00:28:57,879 --> 00:28:59,719
They're just going to do what's natural.

614
00:29:00,059 --> 00:29:02,369
So you have to respect that balance.

615
00:29:02,369 --> 00:29:03,899
You have to respect nature.

616
00:29:04,369 --> 00:29:09,499
Um, So, I mean, that's, that's where the
kind of conflict, I guess, comes in when

617
00:29:09,499 --> 00:29:13,709
it comes to like, why the Wiccan people
would have been upset with this movie is

618
00:29:13,709 --> 00:29:15,509
like, you're trying to make it look evil.

619
00:29:15,989 --> 00:29:17,828
You're playing into the whole idea, right?

620
00:29:18,059 --> 00:29:21,469
Which I think is just like, yeah,
and every other story that's ever

621
00:29:21,469 --> 00:29:25,016
been made about the woods from
the Christian perspective, right?

622
00:29:25,624 --> 00:29:29,334
Pretty much, I mean that's, you hit the
nail on the head there, and I want to

623
00:29:29,344 --> 00:29:31,804
get your final thoughts on Blair Witch.

624
00:29:32,249 --> 00:29:35,459
Before we get to the, to the, to
the witch and get more into it.

625
00:29:35,779 --> 00:29:41,139
So final thoughts, would
you watch this movie again?

626
00:29:41,479 --> 00:29:42,459
Did you like it?

627
00:29:43,379 --> 00:29:44,539
What stood out?

628
00:29:44,729 --> 00:29:45,559
All that kind of stuff.

629
00:29:45,559 --> 00:29:46,009
What do you think?

630
00:29:46,984 --> 00:29:55,794
I love this movie probably more for what
it is, how different, how innovative, how,

631
00:29:58,174 --> 00:29:59,794
yeah, just, um.

632
00:30:01,219 --> 00:30:03,719
different it was made and all of that.

633
00:30:03,819 --> 00:30:06,729
I don't know if I need to
watch it a bunch more times.

634
00:30:07,209 --> 00:30:10,829
I would watch it again, I guess,
but it's like, okay, I've seen it.

635
00:30:11,189 --> 00:30:12,559
I know what it's all about.

636
00:30:12,879 --> 00:30:17,129
Um, the movie itself, I've
picked it apart by minute.

637
00:30:17,129 --> 00:30:21,339
So I'm like, I'm good there, but I'm
just like, I'm more impressed and

638
00:30:21,349 --> 00:30:23,409
wowed by the making of it, I guess.

639
00:30:24,219 --> 00:30:25,149
That's where I'm at.

640
00:30:25,269 --> 00:30:28,199
And this movie came out in 99.

641
00:30:28,249 --> 00:30:29,659
This is 2024.

642
00:30:32,404 --> 00:30:35,454
Kind of held up, kind of
didn't hold up in some regards.

643
00:30:35,544 --> 00:30:38,644
There's other found footage movies
out now that might be better.

644
00:30:39,114 --> 00:30:40,994
Definitely a whole lot
more that are worse.

645
00:30:41,574 --> 00:30:42,774
This one definitely started it.

646
00:30:42,844 --> 00:30:49,524
I do love that it's, to me, it's a piece
of art, piece of art in every kind of way,

647
00:30:49,569 --> 00:30:54,554
because you had the real life bleed in,
you had all that kind of stuff going on in

648
00:30:54,554 --> 00:30:57,584
the press, the PR, with the movie itself.

649
00:30:57,584 --> 00:30:59,394
Like the movie itself was fun to watch.

650
00:31:00,764 --> 00:31:05,484
Not only that, this thing only
made, it cost 60, 000 to make.

651
00:31:06,014 --> 00:31:06,524
Well, hold on.

652
00:31:06,525 --> 00:31:12,054
59, 550 because they returned
that camera to Circuit City.

653
00:31:12,519 --> 00:31:12,979
Right.

654
00:31:12,989 --> 00:31:13,009
In

655
00:31:13,309 --> 00:31:16,804
Made 248 million.

656
00:31:16,805 --> 00:31:17,929
For every

657
00:31:18,229 --> 00:31:18,699
the box

658
00:31:18,999 --> 00:31:22,374
1 they spent, it was
about 11, 000 in return.

659
00:31:22,864 --> 00:31:23,784
You don't get that anywhere else.

660
00:31:23,904 --> 00:31:25,064
There's never been another movie.

661
00:31:25,064 --> 00:31:29,184
This is the top budget to box
office ratio movie of all time.

662
00:31:30,304 --> 00:31:33,624
It's hard to ignore that they did
some stuff right and did a lot right.

663
00:31:34,124 --> 00:31:35,669
to set the stage for what came later.

664
00:31:36,259 --> 00:31:38,229
So, that's my final thoughts.

665
00:31:38,249 --> 00:31:39,139
I love the movie.

666
00:31:40,139 --> 00:31:42,199
I wish I had the picture
of the Blaze Witch Project.

667
00:31:42,199 --> 00:31:45,575
I think it was one of my
first wrestling performances.

668
00:31:45,575 --> 00:31:45,949
Shake

669
00:31:47,619 --> 00:31:51,039
mean, if you want to get the effect, I
could just grab my camera and like run

670
00:31:51,039 --> 00:31:52,969
around the house for a minute, but yeah.

671
00:31:53,109 --> 00:31:53,659
it real hard.

672
00:31:53,669 --> 00:31:57,539
You gotta, I mean, honestly, cameras
today aren't even made for that.

673
00:31:57,539 --> 00:32:01,579
Like, your iPhone camera, they got auto
stabilizing on it and all this stuff.

674
00:32:01,589 --> 00:32:03,009
You can't even have those kinds of shots.

675
00:32:03,309 --> 00:32:09,539
a movie far better with your, with
your own phone camera nowadays.

676
00:32:10,439 --> 00:32:11,129
Absolutely.

677
00:32:12,379 --> 00:32:13,609
Let's get to the witch.

678
00:32:13,659 --> 00:32:21,884
Robert Eggers A 24 I I caught
this movie late at night.

679
00:32:22,044 --> 00:32:23,514
I put it off for a long time.

680
00:32:23,574 --> 00:32:28,224
It came out in 2015, and I don't know.

681
00:32:28,224 --> 00:32:30,314
I maybe, I don't even know
if I watched the trailer.

682
00:32:30,334 --> 00:32:32,064
I probably heard it was boring.

683
00:32:32,114 --> 00:32:34,424
I saw, oh, it's set in the 1600s.

684
00:32:35,124 --> 00:32:36,994
Ugh, how good could it

685
00:32:38,269 --> 00:32:38,869
everybody's worried.

686
00:32:38,869 --> 00:32:39,979
It's a history lesson.

687
00:32:40,674 --> 00:32:40,694
be?

688
00:32:40,734 --> 00:32:41,614
And it kind of was.

689
00:32:41,644 --> 00:32:43,554
It kind of was.

690
00:32:44,794 --> 00:32:47,994
It was very true to the times.

691
00:32:48,104 --> 00:32:49,004
I mean, I wasn't there.

692
00:32:49,014 --> 00:32:49,634
You were there.

693
00:32:49,634 --> 00:32:54,084
You were around in the 1630s,
apparently, but this is

694
00:32:54,219 --> 00:32:55,869
life is so much more hard back then,

695
00:32:56,169 --> 00:32:59,619
What's, what's funny, what's, what's
fun and ironic about this is that

696
00:32:59,669 --> 00:33:05,249
this is set in the same time period
that the autopsy of Jane Doe, her

697
00:33:05,249 --> 00:33:07,149
body would have come from, apparently.

698
00:33:08,139 --> 00:33:09,079
This is the time period.

699
00:33:09,079 --> 00:33:12,179
So now we're watching, this is
where Jane Doe's time was, so I

700
00:33:12,179 --> 00:33:14,879
tried to look at it like that also
and think, oh, where's Jane Doe?

701
00:33:15,369 --> 00:33:16,169
In the middle of all this.

702
00:33:17,409 --> 00:33:22,299
This movie though, the
atmosphere, uh, it's, it's bleak.

703
00:33:23,409 --> 00:33:24,789
It's dreary.

704
00:33:25,259 --> 00:33:25,599
It is.

705
00:33:25,649 --> 00:33:29,639
A lot of gray skies and they
used natural lighting and almost

706
00:33:29,639 --> 00:33:31,619
the whole making of the movie.

707
00:33:31,619 --> 00:33:37,339
So even like they, they just used
like a three wick candle kind of thing

708
00:33:37,339 --> 00:33:41,909
for the candlelight, but for the most
part it was just natural lighting,

709
00:33:41,909 --> 00:33:43,799
which made it very dismal, right.

710
00:33:44,739 --> 00:33:48,499
And it fits 1630s, because if I'm
thinking 1630s, that's about what

711
00:33:48,499 --> 00:33:49,809
I would expect it to look like.

712
00:33:49,819 --> 00:33:54,169
I would think, yeah, 1630s in
the winter, out in the cold.

713
00:33:54,449 --> 00:34:00,449
Farm and the woods and let's just get to
it because the way that the movie starts

714
00:34:01,609 --> 00:34:03,549
they basically you get banished from

715
00:34:03,889 --> 00:34:07,819
Yeah, I actually had to like look
into this first part a couple of

716
00:34:07,859 --> 00:34:11,869
times because I was, starts almost
like in the middle of the story.

717
00:34:12,169 --> 00:34:12,639
Yeah,

718
00:34:12,689 --> 00:34:13,309
Don't you think?

719
00:34:13,319 --> 00:34:16,009
Like, they're banishing
him from the village.

720
00:34:16,484 --> 00:34:18,134
But why?

721
00:34:18,514 --> 00:34:21,074
You don't really get,
like, it's not super clear.

722
00:34:21,314 --> 00:34:25,184
You have to kind of decipher it based
on what he says and what they say.

723
00:34:26,094 --> 00:34:30,994
and as close as I can get, and from what
the forums on the internet, you know,

724
00:34:31,084 --> 00:34:32,894
people have kind of, like, discussed it.

725
00:34:33,844 --> 00:34:37,474
uh, These are the Puritans, right?

726
00:34:37,724 --> 00:34:43,224
So you have like the um, core of a lot
of witch trials and things happening

727
00:34:43,234 --> 00:34:47,644
in England back in like the 15th
century, um, to the 17th century.

728
00:34:47,874 --> 00:34:51,414
That was carried over into those
witch trials happening in the 17th

729
00:34:51,424 --> 00:34:54,764
century in New England here in America.

730
00:34:55,734 --> 00:35:00,234
Well, this is when the Puritans leave
England because they don't believe the

731
00:35:00,334 --> 00:35:03,159
King's Church is Rigid enough, right?

732
00:35:03,409 --> 00:35:04,999
They're like, they're allowing too much.

733
00:35:05,259 --> 00:35:08,099
They're taking too much
liberties with the gospel.

734
00:35:08,109 --> 00:35:10,929
So we're going to be more pure.

735
00:35:11,149 --> 00:35:15,579
We're going to go by the
gospel in pure, you know, ways.

736
00:35:15,639 --> 00:35:16,939
And so they, they, they go.

737
00:35:17,299 --> 00:35:21,459
Thus the Puritans are born and they
come from England to America hoping

738
00:35:21,469 --> 00:35:24,969
to be able to create a community where
they're going to be real strict with

739
00:35:24,969 --> 00:35:30,209
their religious, you know, fervor,
like their devotion and all that.

740
00:35:30,629 --> 00:35:33,099
And I think what they're saying
here in the beginning is that,

741
00:35:33,129 --> 00:35:37,389
um, the father of this family is
like, you have become too lax.

742
00:35:38,694 --> 00:35:43,114
You know, we came from England, we
set this community up, this village,

743
00:35:43,114 --> 00:35:47,274
we, we sacrificed so much so that
we could be here and practice

744
00:35:47,274 --> 00:35:50,729
our faith and you, are too lax

745
00:35:51,029 --> 00:35:51,499
mm hmm.

746
00:35:51,614 --> 00:35:56,904
faith, I guess, meaning that he and
his family want to be more strict

747
00:35:57,249 --> 00:35:57,549
Yep.

748
00:35:57,654 --> 00:35:58,744
these Puritans.

749
00:35:59,464 --> 00:36:01,734
And so he's banished
to go live on his own.

750
00:36:02,319 --> 00:36:05,619
All right, we see how strict they
are later on like he's they are

751
00:36:05,619 --> 00:36:09,989
very very strict in their religious
Religion and they are banished.

752
00:36:09,999 --> 00:36:14,599
So the family is exiled from the
Puritan plantation Then they go

753
00:36:14,619 --> 00:36:17,729
set up camp in a dense dark forest.

754
00:36:17,759 --> 00:36:19,239
I don't know why why
would you pick that place?

755
00:36:21,244 --> 00:36:21,934
What did it have?

756
00:36:22,444 --> 00:36:26,624
I imagine that there was just enough of a
clearing to be able to clear some of the

757
00:36:26,624 --> 00:36:32,604
trees and make some structures so that
they could, you know, have protection.

758
00:36:33,214 --> 00:36:41,194
And, mean again, they're coming from
a mentality or a mindset that is evil.

759
00:36:41,494 --> 00:36:41,944
Yeah.

760
00:36:42,274 --> 00:36:49,364
so like the trees, the forest, their
idea of that is nothing good out there.

761
00:36:49,364 --> 00:36:54,244
So this is a clear enough clearing,
we can set up our, you know, safe

762
00:36:54,244 --> 00:37:00,574
space, um, and fences, and maybe have
some protection from whatever the

763
00:37:00,574 --> 00:37:01,954
wilderness is going to have in it.

764
00:37:02,164 --> 00:37:04,744
I mean, wolves, things like that.

765
00:37:05,224 --> 00:37:05,614
Rabbits.

766
00:37:05,614 --> 00:37:08,684
We're gonna get into the rabbit symbolism
because there's a lot of rabbits in there.

767
00:37:09,064 --> 00:37:09,684
Yeah.

768
00:37:10,354 --> 00:37:14,824
But the movie, when they, when they go
to the farm, they, they, they get exiled.

769
00:37:14,834 --> 00:37:15,614
They move out.

770
00:37:17,304 --> 00:37:22,004
Things already, they, they, The downward
spiral begins because right at the

771
00:37:22,004 --> 00:37:22,974
beginning, they're already on edge.

772
00:37:23,004 --> 00:37:23,714
They get on edge.

773
00:37:23,724 --> 00:37:24,754
They're already on edge because they left.

774
00:37:25,374 --> 00:37:27,264
And then the baby disappears.

775
00:37:27,744 --> 00:37:28,414
Not a good start.

776
00:37:29,159 --> 00:37:29,729
Not a good one.

777
00:37:30,124 --> 00:37:31,134
Creepiest part.

778
00:37:31,759 --> 00:37:37,649
I have to say, like, just about anybody,
I don't know anybody wouldn't be watching

779
00:37:37,649 --> 00:37:41,309
a movie and be like, Don't hurt the baby!

780
00:37:41,609 --> 00:37:42,009
Yes.

781
00:37:42,089 --> 00:37:43,689
get babies involved!

782
00:37:44,089 --> 00:37:46,839
Like, that's the peak of horror to me.

783
00:37:46,869 --> 00:37:49,309
It's like, you really want to rattle me?

784
00:37:49,609 --> 00:37:52,909
Put a baby involved in the
horrors of what's going on.

785
00:37:53,049 --> 00:37:53,559
That's,

786
00:37:54,819 --> 00:38:03,299
The baby disappearing at the beginning
is, it lights the fuse to that slow burn.

787
00:38:03,809 --> 00:38:04,389
mm hmm.

788
00:38:04,919 --> 00:38:06,639
The slow burn of tension.

789
00:38:07,969 --> 00:38:12,399
The rest of the movie you always feel like
something's lurking, right out of sight.

790
00:38:13,569 --> 00:38:15,119
Like you said, the natural light.

791
00:38:15,814 --> 00:38:21,194
Makes you even more immersed in what's
going on, you're in the woods, this

792
00:38:21,194 --> 00:38:26,544
movie is another classic example of A24
being able to isolate you with them,

793
00:38:27,289 --> 00:38:28,249
Yes.

794
00:38:28,254 --> 00:38:33,334
into it, like you can't, it's almost like
you can't pause the movie, you can't leave

795
00:38:33,334 --> 00:38:39,504
the room, you can't get out of there,
and you're stuck in the 17th century,

796
00:38:39,554 --> 00:38:43,924
and it's scary, it's scary as hell, like
you're, you're there with them, and a

797
00:38:43,924 --> 00:38:48,239
lot of people will say that's boring,
No, I didn't think so because sure it

798
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:54,919
is if you are watching that movie and
you're in the 2024 or whatever you're

799
00:38:54,919 --> 00:38:58,919
at, if you're in this present time and
you don't try to put yourself where they

800
00:38:58,919 --> 00:39:00,819
are, sure it's boring because guess what?

801
00:39:01,059 --> 00:39:02,039
They're not all doing this.

802
00:39:02,869 --> 00:39:05,149
They don't, they don't
have TVs in front of them.

803
00:39:05,149 --> 00:39:06,179
They don't have all this.

804
00:39:06,604 --> 00:39:07,234
And you know what?

805
00:39:07,244 --> 00:39:09,744
They had too much work to do
to be doing any of that anyway.

806
00:39:09,804 --> 00:39:11,044
There was not a lot of idle.

807
00:39:11,044 --> 00:39:13,744
In fact, you know,
again, idleness is a sin.

808
00:39:13,764 --> 00:39:16,734
So they, they even, you hear them
reprimand each other for that.

809
00:39:16,764 --> 00:39:18,414
Like, what are you doing sitting idle?

810
00:39:18,704 --> 00:39:20,294
And like, how dare you be idle?

811
00:39:20,374 --> 00:39:20,644
Um.

812
00:39:21,609 --> 00:39:22,389
I love the verbiage.

813
00:39:22,389 --> 00:39:24,849
I love the, the, the spoken dialogue.

814
00:39:24,909 --> 00:39:25,959
I love the way they talked.

815
00:39:26,579 --> 00:39:30,899
I mean the, the title itself,
the Viva Itch, the two Vs.

816
00:39:31,289 --> 00:39:36,829
That's on purpose because the letter W
was not common yet by then, by the 1630s.

817
00:39:37,419 --> 00:39:40,729
So even the title itself
reflected historical accuracy,

818
00:39:40,759 --> 00:39:41,509
which I thought was very,

819
00:39:41,999 --> 00:39:47,829
Yeah, it's called Jacobean English, by the
way, they were gonna have a backstory for

820
00:39:47,829 --> 00:39:53,069
this family that they had come from Sussex
in England, but, um, the director liked

821
00:39:53,109 --> 00:39:59,899
the father, you, you'll to tell us his
name, the actor, and he's from Yorkshire,

822
00:39:59,899 --> 00:40:03,569
so they decided to change the backstory
because they liked his accent so much.

823
00:40:04,259 --> 00:40:04,759
Um,

824
00:40:05,109 --> 00:40:06,489
that's Ralph Anderson.

825
00:40:07,059 --> 00:40:07,469
Now

826
00:40:07,769 --> 00:40:08,209
Yes.

827
00:40:08,509 --> 00:40:10,009
that guy's voice you talking about that.

828
00:40:10,039 --> 00:40:11,629
'cause he plays the main
character in the Witch.

829
00:40:11,629 --> 00:40:12,379
He plays William

830
00:40:12,939 --> 00:40:13,359
Yes.

831
00:40:13,659 --> 00:40:15,239
Ralph Anderson's voice.

832
00:40:15,959 --> 00:40:16,409
Oh,

833
00:40:17,499 --> 00:40:18,279
Gravelly.

834
00:40:18,909 --> 00:40:19,539
yeah.

835
00:40:19,839 --> 00:40:20,239
Now,

836
00:40:20,769 --> 00:40:23,219
He could, he could read me
some bedtime stories at night.

837
00:40:23,259 --> 00:40:24,619
I'd be okay with that.

838
00:40:25,199 --> 00:40:30,859
I think his, the tone, literally the
tone of his voice fits this movie so

839
00:40:30,859 --> 00:40:34,629
well because you are forced to listen.

840
00:40:35,289 --> 00:40:39,239
Now, he's, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a fan
of his because he's done, he did

841
00:40:39,240 --> 00:40:41,869
Loreth's, Loreth's voice in Diablo 4.

842
00:40:42,329 --> 00:40:45,239
He's a video game character voice also.

843
00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:45,589
So

844
00:40:46,089 --> 00:40:46,659
That's why.

845
00:40:46,699 --> 00:40:47,159
Yeah.

846
00:40:47,509 --> 00:40:51,969
his voice, I was like, Oh, I know
this, you know, it's distinct.

847
00:40:52,429 --> 00:40:55,189
Let's talk about the, the director,
because you mentioned him, Robert Eggers.

848
00:40:55,499 --> 00:40:56,109
Yes.

849
00:40:56,409 --> 00:41:01,919
Now, Robert Eggers, who, by the way,
let me tell you he's got a new movie

850
00:41:01,919 --> 00:41:04,759
coming out Christmas this year.

851
00:41:06,509 --> 00:41:08,039
Guess what Robert Eggers just did?

852
00:41:08,439 --> 00:41:09,469
Nosferatu.

853
00:41:11,559 --> 00:41:13,909
Nosferatu will be dropping
at Christmas this year.

854
00:41:14,809 --> 00:41:15,689
He made The Witch.

855
00:41:15,689 --> 00:41:18,979
He made A24's The Lighthouse,
which had Robert Pattinson in it.

856
00:41:18,989 --> 00:41:19,529
That's a great one.

857
00:41:19,829 --> 00:41:21,039
That was, yeah.

858
00:41:21,339 --> 00:41:21,899
That's a weird one.

859
00:41:22,749 --> 00:41:23,429
As they all are.

860
00:41:23,429 --> 00:41:27,709
So this guy, I can't wait to see what
Robert does with, you Nosferatu, cause

861
00:41:27,709 --> 00:41:32,459
that's a, that's a horror classic there,
and, you know, that's the one with the

862
00:41:32,459 --> 00:41:36,559
vampire, and that's the iconic scene
of Nosferatu, that was, that was a

863
00:41:36,559 --> 00:41:40,069
silent movie too, so, I can't wait for
that, but that's coming out this year.

864
00:41:40,759 --> 00:41:44,839
But he, but he made, but the witch, he put
so much time and effort into the witch,

865
00:41:45,139 --> 00:41:45,469
Yeah.

866
00:41:45,479 --> 00:41:48,239
Doesn't he have like a carpentry
background or something and

867
00:41:48,559 --> 00:41:51,179
they had to make everything
from scratch for this movie.

868
00:41:51,479 --> 00:41:52,269
I can't stop.

869
00:41:52,569 --> 00:41:55,239
that was like authentic
to the time period.

870
00:41:55,269 --> 00:41:56,699
So they just, they had to make it

871
00:41:57,599 --> 00:41:58,279
Which is awesome.

872
00:41:58,279 --> 00:42:00,639
I mean, that's what they did then.

873
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:02,739
They

874
00:42:03,109 --> 00:42:03,839
we have around us.

875
00:42:04,699 --> 00:42:08,159
weren't, they weren't ordering shit on
Amazon and getting it sent overnight.

876
00:42:08,179 --> 00:42:08,709
Like they had a,

877
00:42:11,149 --> 00:42:12,169
let's get back to the movie.

878
00:42:12,179 --> 00:42:16,097
Let's talk about the part
where your baby disappears.

879
00:42:16,299 --> 00:42:20,049
You got stuff going on in
Samuel, baby Samuel vanished.

880
00:42:20,664 --> 00:42:22,014
Under promises care.

881
00:42:23,724 --> 00:42:24,104
Go ahead.

882
00:42:24,154 --> 00:42:24,464
Go ahead.

883
00:42:24,464 --> 00:42:24,964
You had something there?

884
00:42:25,094 --> 00:42:29,994
the folklore behind witches taking
babies and children is very common.

885
00:42:29,994 --> 00:42:31,814
You hear that a lot in a lot of stories.

886
00:42:32,314 --> 00:42:36,014
Um, one, they told this to children,
first of all, to scare them into doing,

887
00:42:36,164 --> 00:42:40,594
to behaving, which, you know, could
be effective if, you know, you don't

888
00:42:40,634 --> 00:42:45,954
know anything about psychological
trauma, but, uh, they told that, you

889
00:42:45,954 --> 00:42:50,464
know, don't behave if you don't stay
out of the woods, the witch is going

890
00:42:50,464 --> 00:42:56,259
to get you, um, and, Witches like to
eat babies, Hansel and Gretel, we're

891
00:42:56,259 --> 00:42:58,587
gonna get eaten by a witch in the woods.

892
00:42:59,549 --> 00:43:04,269
is very, uh, very common in folklore,
but it might originate from the fact that

893
00:43:04,269 --> 00:43:06,609
a lot of accused witches were midwives,

894
00:43:06,994 --> 00:43:07,504
Ah.

895
00:43:07,539 --> 00:43:13,249
and midwives were helping women
with their, um, reproductive needs.

896
00:43:13,289 --> 00:43:18,589
So whether they needed help in
birthing a baby or getting pregnant.

897
00:43:18,619 --> 00:43:22,349
They also helped with abortions
or with, um, contraception,

898
00:43:23,539 --> 00:43:24,939
herbs, things like that.

899
00:43:25,319 --> 00:43:32,199
So you can understand how in some other
face, they might have demonized midwives

900
00:43:32,349 --> 00:43:35,389
as witches who kill babies, right?

901
00:43:36,784 --> 00:43:37,764
Yeah, it totally makes sense.

902
00:43:37,819 --> 00:43:38,719
where that comes from.

903
00:43:39,024 --> 00:43:40,294
Yeah, it totally makes sense.

904
00:43:40,294 --> 00:43:46,247
Now, is there any kind of symbolism
with the silver cup that gets

905
00:43:47,404 --> 00:43:48,504
Or am I jumping ahead here?

906
00:43:48,504 --> 00:43:54,224
Because once they Establish that
Samuel disappeared under Thomas's care.

907
00:43:54,224 --> 00:43:56,544
You've already got the hint
that she may be a witch.

908
00:43:59,424 --> 00:44:02,714
Take us to when Catherine blames Thomasin.

909
00:44:02,754 --> 00:44:03,524
Catherine's the mom.

910
00:44:03,534 --> 00:44:04,714
She blames Thomasin of,

911
00:44:05,229 --> 00:44:05,739
Yes.

912
00:44:05,874 --> 00:44:06,754
uh, stealing that.

913
00:44:06,814 --> 00:44:07,684
It was a silver cup.

914
00:44:07,904 --> 00:44:08,474
Was that right?

915
00:44:08,939 --> 00:44:09,579
Yes.

916
00:44:09,639 --> 00:44:10,099
Yeah.

917
00:44:10,149 --> 00:44:14,629
It turns out the father had stolen it or
had taken it and traded it so that they

918
00:44:14,629 --> 00:44:17,059
could survive and the corn was dying.

919
00:44:17,177 --> 00:44:22,239
These, this family is not doing real
well with their banishment, again,

920
00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:26,319
you have that isolation you talked
about and it's like, that's what it

921
00:44:26,329 --> 00:44:28,659
meant in those days to be isolated.

922
00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:29,479
It meant death.

923
00:44:29,789 --> 00:44:35,409
I mean, whether you have a witch hunting
you down or not, being a family alone out

924
00:44:35,409 --> 00:44:38,819
there in the wilderness, trying to kind of
make their own little seldom settlement.

925
00:44:39,684 --> 00:44:41,704
Mm hmm.

926
00:44:42,004 --> 00:44:47,554
impossible anyway, but, um, but I do want
to point out like the corn was failing.

927
00:44:47,614 --> 00:44:48,114
Okay.

928
00:44:48,724 --> 00:44:52,844
A lot of times in the new settlements
in New England, corn was failing

929
00:44:52,854 --> 00:44:55,594
because didn't have corn in England.

930
00:44:56,244 --> 00:45:00,774
When they mention corn in older texts,
they're actually just talking about grain.

931
00:45:01,224 --> 00:45:05,174
So they're talking about oats and barley
and things that they had in England.

932
00:45:05,544 --> 00:45:08,894
When they came to America to
settle here, corn was a new thing.

933
00:45:08,934 --> 00:45:10,364
It was a new kind of grain.

934
00:45:10,954 --> 00:45:15,164
And the natives, uh, the indigenous
people of the area always grew

935
00:45:15,214 --> 00:45:17,894
corn with beans and squash.

936
00:45:17,914 --> 00:45:19,314
They call them the three sisters.

937
00:45:20,184 --> 00:45:21,814
shout out to Braiding Sweetgrass.

938
00:45:21,814 --> 00:45:23,974
This is straight from that book.

939
00:45:23,974 --> 00:45:26,854
So if you haven't read Braiding
Sweetgrass, I totally recommend it.

940
00:45:27,264 --> 00:45:28,854
But they talk about the
three sisters, right?

941
00:45:28,864 --> 00:45:33,104
So they're not growing corn appropriate,
like, the way it's supposed to be.

942
00:45:33,264 --> 00:45:37,084
There's not enough nitrates
in the soil without beans to

943
00:45:37,084 --> 00:45:38,734
be able to cultivate corn.

944
00:45:39,094 --> 00:45:44,734
So, Their corn is failing, they're gonna
starve, has to sell the silver cup,

945
00:45:47,434 --> 00:45:53,464
um, symbology wise, silver cup or chalice
is a very, uh, a balance of, it's,

946
00:45:53,514 --> 00:45:56,174
it's a very feminine character, okay?

947
00:45:56,174 --> 00:46:01,224
So the, the silver cup that's missing
is, you could call it its own character.

948
00:46:01,274 --> 00:46:06,134
It's the chalice, or the symbol
of the womb, and silver, the

949
00:46:06,134 --> 00:46:09,414
symbol of the moon, female energy.

950
00:46:10,569 --> 00:46:14,259
So, I mean, you could almost replace it
for every time they talk about that silver

951
00:46:14,259 --> 00:46:15,809
cup, they're talking about femininity.

952
00:46:16,644 --> 00:46:17,644
Ah, I love that.

953
00:46:17,644 --> 00:46:23,109
So that's great symbolism there
and greatly explained I got a

954
00:46:23,109 --> 00:46:26,151
whole other take on this movie
because you mentioned the corn.

955
00:46:26,249 --> 00:46:31,209
I'm gonna talk to you right here, and I'm
gonna tell you what the actual meaning

956
00:46:31,209 --> 00:46:38,889
of this movie is, and there's no witch,
there's nothing if you pay attention

957
00:46:38,889 --> 00:46:42,609
in the background, the corn is rotting.

958
00:46:42,609 --> 00:46:47,304
It's got a, it's got a fungus
called ergot now, ergot.

959
00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:52,999
Urgot is something from,
from that, that is a, uh, uh,

960
00:46:53,289 --> 00:46:57,129
basically, uh, infestation of corn.

961
00:46:57,379 --> 00:46:59,089
Now here's what it'll do
without people knowing.

962
00:46:59,249 --> 00:47:01,639
And I, you can see the corn
deteriorating in the background

963
00:47:01,669 --> 00:47:02,989
and I know it's got Urgot.

964
00:47:04,229 --> 00:47:09,359
It will, it will get basically, it will,
this is, this is the symptoms that you

965
00:47:09,359 --> 00:47:15,869
can have from Urgot is convulsions,
muscle spasms, vomiting, hallucinations.

966
00:47:18,559 --> 00:47:21,779
You could watch this whole movie and
think, Hey, they're getting poisoned

967
00:47:21,779 --> 00:47:23,339
by the corn and they're hallucinating.

968
00:47:23,649 --> 00:47:26,719
I'd love for people to watch
it again and have that in mind.

969
00:47:26,739 --> 00:47:29,849
And then it's not a horror movie, it's
A whole other kind of horror movie.

970
00:47:29,850 --> 00:47:31,385
I like to think there's a witch there.

971
00:47:31,385 --> 00:47:34,689
I like to think there's a witch there,
but I did want to point that out because

972
00:47:35,019 --> 00:47:38,189
the corn rotting in the background,
I think there's something to that.

973
00:47:38,439 --> 00:47:43,329
And ergot is that fungus that gets
into people's nervous systems and

974
00:47:43,329 --> 00:47:45,849
can cause you to have hallucinations.

975
00:47:46,244 --> 00:47:51,294
Convulsions, all the pain, vomiting,
all the stuff that we see later.

976
00:47:51,294 --> 00:47:52,654
So what do you think about that?

977
00:47:52,694 --> 00:47:55,674
That little theory I put out
there, the, the corn being fungus.

978
00:47:56,099 --> 00:47:57,489
that makes perfect sense too.

979
00:47:57,519 --> 00:48:01,859
I like that, that take on it because I
was going to ask you, did you think that

980
00:48:01,859 --> 00:48:03,789
Thomasin was a witch the entire time?

981
00:48:04,279 --> 00:48:10,199
Or is this like the, um, the good
old story of, uh, I wasn't a witch

982
00:48:10,249 --> 00:48:12,819
until you made me one kind of a thing?

983
00:48:12,929 --> 00:48:14,049
Like in Jane Doe.

984
00:48:14,904 --> 00:48:19,834
Now, I like the theory about the corn
being poisoned and having fungus and them

985
00:48:19,834 --> 00:48:21,962
just hallucinating, but I'm a witch fan.

986
00:48:22,094 --> 00:48:23,954
So I'm going to say there's a witch there.

987
00:48:24,584 --> 00:48:31,144
I'm gonna say that she's a little more
on the witch side than Jane Doe was.

988
00:48:32,319 --> 00:48:33,824
Before Jane Doe became a witch.

989
00:48:33,864 --> 00:48:38,094
I think Thomasin might have
been at least interested in what

990
00:48:38,114 --> 00:48:39,454
witchcraft, what was going on.

991
00:48:39,514 --> 00:48:40,324
That kind of stuff.

992
00:48:40,674 --> 00:48:43,004
You see it later with Black
Phillip, the goat, like all

993
00:48:43,004 --> 00:48:44,394
these things are coming together.

994
00:48:44,734 --> 00:48:49,314
And I think Thomasin might have,
she might have made a pact.

995
00:48:49,729 --> 00:48:51,689
Uh, I don't know.

996
00:48:51,689 --> 00:48:52,459
What do you think?

997
00:48:53,334 --> 00:48:59,794
Well, I think there's something
actually to the twins having made

998
00:48:59,794 --> 00:49:01,674
some bargain they weren't aware of.

999
00:49:01,744 --> 00:49:03,084
I mean, they're just children.

1000
00:49:03,094 --> 00:49:05,044
They're, they're playing and having fun.

1001
00:49:05,044 --> 00:49:09,274
And if a goat talks to them, they
might be like, okay, whatever

1002
00:49:09,274 --> 00:49:10,874
you say, Black Phillip, the goat.

1003
00:49:11,244 --> 00:49:15,604
And the little girl Mercy is singing
songs about Black Phillip, their

1004
00:49:15,604 --> 00:49:18,244
goat, the entire movie at all.

1005
00:49:18,245 --> 00:49:19,548
And she's like, I'm a witch.

1006
00:49:19,548 --> 00:49:20,200
I'm a witch.

1007
00:49:20,200 --> 00:49:21,644
Clickety clackety, clickety clackety.

1008
00:49:23,049 --> 00:49:25,339
Black Philip, that's a
reference to Baphomet.

1009
00:49:25,339 --> 00:49:29,959
I mean, that's Baphomet, which is
the, you know, devil reincarnate, I

1010
00:49:29,959 --> 00:49:31,419
guess, if you want to call it that, but

1011
00:49:31,514 --> 00:49:31,814
Mm hmm.

1012
00:49:32,469 --> 00:49:36,599
the lyrics in the song, Black Philip
is the lions from the lion's den.

1013
00:49:36,609 --> 00:49:42,624
Like there's some really, really vivid
stuff in there that we'll see it later.

1014
00:49:43,044 --> 00:49:47,744
We see slaughtered lambs in the
stable, black Phillips standing there.

1015
00:49:47,834 --> 00:49:49,454
All this is in the climax.

1016
00:49:49,849 --> 00:49:50,279
Yeah,

1017
00:49:50,314 --> 00:49:54,604
The lyrics to that song are just
disturbing, unnerving, all that.

1018
00:49:54,764 --> 00:49:55,704
And the kids are singing them.

1019
00:49:56,174 --> 00:49:58,174
Once again, you got the
kids doing the dirty work.

1020
00:49:58,544 --> 00:50:01,014
Making me feel Like that's

1021
00:50:01,099 --> 00:50:04,899
they're not aware of what they're doing
or what's going on, but I think they play

1022
00:50:04,899 --> 00:50:08,559
a part in what, what ends up happening.

1023
00:50:08,687 --> 00:50:10,979
Like how, how the events play out.

1024
00:50:11,289 --> 00:50:14,239
Cause from the very beginning, and
let me just give a shout out to

1025
00:50:14,239 --> 00:50:15,699
all the oldest daughters out there.

1026
00:50:15,719 --> 00:50:16,669
I'm an oldest daughter.

1027
00:50:16,669 --> 00:50:17,229
Okay.

1028
00:50:17,709 --> 00:50:20,399
And, um, I just want all
the oldest daughters.

1029
00:50:20,569 --> 00:50:21,459
I see you.

1030
00:50:22,059 --> 00:50:24,894
Okay, here's Thomason doing her best.

1031
00:50:25,264 --> 00:50:29,644
She's out there like cleaning
out the stables and the twins

1032
00:50:29,644 --> 00:50:34,014
are running amok being goofy and
silly and not minding her at all.

1033
00:50:34,324 --> 00:50:38,614
And then mom comes out and is like,
Thomason, aren't you taking care of them?

1034
00:50:38,774 --> 00:50:39,644
Why aren't you doing this?

1035
00:50:39,644 --> 00:50:40,174
Why aren't you doing that?

1036
00:50:41,034 --> 00:50:42,614
help your father clean up.

1037
00:50:42,684 --> 00:50:47,694
And then she's like, okay, um, and she's
trying her best to do what she's being

1038
00:50:47,694 --> 00:50:49,654
told and trying to take care of everybody.

1039
00:50:49,974 --> 00:50:51,684
And all she gets is criticism.

1040
00:50:51,964 --> 00:50:53,494
Mom's on her case all the time.

1041
00:50:53,504 --> 00:50:55,774
Mom's accusing her of stealing the cup.

1042
00:50:56,094 --> 00:51:01,474
Mom is always like, when Mercy's
singing songs, Thomason's like, hush,

1043
00:51:01,504 --> 00:51:03,549
I can't, I can't stand your songs.

1044
00:51:04,284 --> 00:51:09,224
And instead of, you know,
admonishing Mercy, um, Catherine,

1045
00:51:09,234 --> 00:51:12,029
the mom, is Like, stop.

1046
00:51:12,369 --> 00:51:13,309
Thomason, hush.

1047
00:51:13,469 --> 00:51:16,099
You know, like, I'm
like, poor Thomason, man.

1048
00:51:16,349 --> 00:51:20,709
She just has, like, no
control of her life.

1049
00:51:21,594 --> 00:51:24,754
Let's go back for Thomasin.

1050
00:51:24,774 --> 00:51:27,464
Let's go back to the Mercy and
Jonas, the twins, the kids.

1051
00:51:27,994 --> 00:51:28,534
Are they twins?

1052
00:51:28,599 --> 00:51:28,824
Yeah,

1053
00:51:28,899 --> 00:51:29,309
Yes.

1054
00:51:29,404 --> 00:51:29,564
yeah.

1055
00:51:29,679 --> 00:51:31,279
I called them twins a couple of times.

1056
00:51:31,369 --> 00:51:31,679
Yeah.

1057
00:51:31,779 --> 00:51:31,989
I

1058
00:51:33,394 --> 00:51:36,674
And it's, you might be on to something
there because there's a point, there's

1059
00:51:36,674 --> 00:51:41,094
a part in there where Mercy and Jonas
are unable to finish the Lord's Prayer.

1060
00:51:42,884 --> 00:51:43,429
During the witch,

1061
00:51:43,729 --> 00:51:44,429
note of that.

1062
00:51:44,504 --> 00:51:47,084
yes, during the witch hunts, as you
know, during the witch hunts in Colonial

1063
00:51:47,084 --> 00:51:50,584
America, it's widely believed that a
witch could not finish the Lord's Prayer.

1064
00:51:50,934 --> 00:51:54,894
That's why the family gets so
upset when Jonas and Mercy stop.

1065
00:51:55,664 --> 00:51:57,914
So, maybe they didn't make it.

1066
00:51:58,409 --> 00:51:59,029
who stopped.

1067
00:51:59,979 --> 00:52:02,919
was trying to say the Lord's Prayer,
and it only stopped because the

1068
00:52:02,919 --> 00:52:06,264
twins were like, I can't, I can't,
and then they freak out, right?

1069
00:52:06,564 --> 00:52:09,374
Yeah, yeah, they, nobody could
finish it, really, I guess.

1070
00:52:09,514 --> 00:52:10,804
So, were they all witches?

1071
00:52:11,404 --> 00:52:12,334
Did they all make a pact?

1072
00:52:12,384 --> 00:52:13,154
What happened there?

1073
00:52:15,354 --> 00:52:17,094
Hmm, may have to watch this again, huh?

1074
00:52:17,134 --> 00:52:17,484
Cause,

1075
00:52:18,259 --> 00:52:19,529
There's a lot going on.

1076
00:52:19,539 --> 00:52:19,559
Yeah.

1077
00:52:19,884 --> 00:52:22,004
we're not even, we haven't even gotten
to like, where we're talking about the

1078
00:52:22,004 --> 00:52:28,744
movie, like, Caleb goes on a hunt, Caleb,
they go into the woods, and then, is, do

1079
00:52:28,744 --> 00:52:30,599
we see the rabbit here, or is that later?

1080
00:52:32,404 --> 00:52:36,904
um, I believe they saw the rabbit
when Caleb and the dad go out hunting

1081
00:52:37,204 --> 00:52:37,359
right.

1082
00:52:37,379 --> 00:52:42,089
This is, this is when he, he, he
sees the seductress, which she's

1083
00:52:42,389 --> 00:52:42,919
Yeah.

1084
00:52:43,219 --> 00:52:43,869
trying to get him in.

1085
00:52:44,809 --> 00:52:45,559
She would have got me.

1086
00:52:45,569 --> 00:52:48,209
I'm going to tell you now, if
I would have been a 13 year old

1087
00:52:48,209 --> 00:52:50,469
boy out in the woods, I'll come

1088
00:52:50,469 --> 00:52:56,749
but again, this is bringing up the
ideas of, of sin natural, right?

1089
00:52:56,759 --> 00:53:01,449
So Thomasin's body is developing
naturally like a woman's body does.

1090
00:53:02,039 --> 00:53:07,739
And, uh, sure she doesn't fit into
her shift as well as she used to.

1091
00:53:08,009 --> 00:53:09,899
Um, her brother Caleb has noticed.

1092
00:53:09,959 --> 00:53:13,359
I mean, He's a young boy,
but it is what it is.

1093
00:53:14,079 --> 00:53:17,869
here we have this like, again, contrast
between like what is natural and

1094
00:53:17,869 --> 00:53:23,179
like what is like, just her living
her life, and the sin of being a

1095
00:53:23,179 --> 00:53:28,499
woman and being desirable and being
a maiden, right, in the of womanhood.

1096
00:53:30,099 --> 00:53:34,179
So here, like, Caleb comes out and
he gets tempted by this, which in the

1097
00:53:34,179 --> 00:53:38,089
form of a maiden of a very desirable.

1098
00:53:41,299 --> 00:53:41,719
woman

1099
00:53:42,579 --> 00:53:43,379
and buck something.

1100
00:53:43,999 --> 00:53:45,039
Is that a word we could use?

1101
00:53:45,039 --> 00:53:45,729
I think.

1102
00:53:45,820 --> 00:53:47,049
He

1103
00:53:47,409 --> 00:53:48,879
or kid who didn't stand a chance.

1104
00:53:49,209 --> 00:53:49,549
didn't.

1105
00:53:49,599 --> 00:53:50,089
He didn't.

1106
00:53:50,089 --> 00:53:52,629
And then he comes back
home in a delirious state.

1107
00:53:53,689 --> 00:53:54,679
You got the possession.

1108
00:53:56,129 --> 00:53:57,169
This thing's disturbing.

1109
00:53:57,589 --> 00:53:58,979
This scene right here was rough.

1110
00:54:01,109 --> 00:54:04,099
And this movie's only
an hour and a half long.

1111
00:54:04,149 --> 00:54:06,229
Did it not feel like it was
like four or five hours?

1112
00:54:06,659 --> 00:54:07,179
Yeah.

1113
00:54:07,399 --> 00:54:07,919
Long.

1114
00:54:07,919 --> 00:54:10,009
There's a lot of pieces to it.

1115
00:54:10,019 --> 00:54:10,029
A

1116
00:54:10,709 --> 00:54:10,829
And

1117
00:54:11,009 --> 00:54:11,879
of like, I

1118
00:54:12,959 --> 00:54:14,229
when he is

1119
00:54:16,929 --> 00:54:22,139
basically convulsing and whatever
else you want to call that.

1120
00:54:22,589 --> 00:54:24,779
Have you ever seen anything like,
like that, like that happen in person?

1121
00:54:26,099 --> 00:54:30,999
have not, I have heard stories
of people who are like, Oh,

1122
00:54:30,999 --> 00:54:32,839
I've witnessed a possession.

1123
00:54:32,909 --> 00:54:35,209
I've witnessed, you know, this or that.

1124
00:54:35,619 --> 00:54:38,409
Um, you know, however you decide
to believe, whether it's a

1125
00:54:38,409 --> 00:54:42,879
psychological episode or a spiritual
possession of a demon, I don't,

1126
00:54:42,979 --> 00:54:44,319
you know, whatever you believe,

1127
00:54:46,529 --> 00:54:48,159
I just have to say this kid.

1128
00:54:48,879 --> 00:54:49,694
Is amazing!

1129
00:54:50,374 --> 00:54:58,642
I mean, that scene was so, whoa, his,
he must have had a great acting coach

1130
00:54:59,024 --> 00:55:03,664
getting him ready for this scene and
having him just don't hold back, right?

1131
00:55:03,784 --> 00:55:09,984
Don't hold back, let it all out,
because the emotion was so powerful.

1132
00:55:10,889 --> 00:55:16,329
Now that kid's name is Harvey
Scrimshaw, and he was a, a

1133
00:55:16,329 --> 00:55:18,009
serious powerhouse in that movie.

1134
00:55:18,919 --> 00:55:23,849
They all were Thomason played
by, uh, Anya Taylor Joy.

1135
00:55:23,879 --> 00:55:25,019
That's, this is her debut.

1136
00:55:25,049 --> 00:55:25,769
This is her debut.

1137
00:55:26,129 --> 00:55:27,054
She's gone on to have a,

1138
00:55:27,354 --> 00:55:27,834
her.

1139
00:55:28,729 --> 00:55:32,359
uh, she's a, she, she puts on a
great performance in this movie.

1140
00:55:33,659 --> 00:55:34,559
Everybody does.

1141
00:55:34,589 --> 00:55:38,179
We already talked about
the graveley voice of

1142
00:55:38,864 --> 00:55:40,454
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1143
00:55:40,734 --> 00:55:41,044
And

1144
00:55:42,029 --> 00:55:42,389
she.

1145
00:55:42,604 --> 00:55:47,544
to say about the mother too, but I will
wait until we get to the, the ending, um,

1146
00:55:47,584 --> 00:55:49,554
and her ending and how that plays out.

1147
00:55:49,554 --> 00:55:52,474
But she's amazing and everything
she does, I like her too.

1148
00:55:53,269 --> 00:55:54,639
I want to talk about the rabbit.

1149
00:55:54,699 --> 00:55:57,919
Tell me about the rabbits because,
uh, Caleb and his father go into the

1150
00:55:57,919 --> 00:55:59,939
woods to hunt also and here we go.

1151
00:55:59,949 --> 00:56:00,749
We got a rabbit here.

1152
00:56:00,749 --> 00:56:04,929
Now what's the, what's the symbolism
of hairs in mythology here?

1153
00:56:05,394 --> 00:56:10,384
well, in Celtic lore, this
is from my druid, uh, deck.

1154
00:56:10,974 --> 00:56:12,954
Um, they're, they symbolize rebirth

1155
00:56:13,609 --> 00:56:13,889
Hmm.

1156
00:56:13,890 --> 00:56:14,969
Hmm.

1157
00:56:16,514 --> 00:56:17,024
Um.

1158
00:56:18,029 --> 00:56:23,639
Now, a lot of folklore around witches,
uh, not from a pagan perspective, but

1159
00:56:23,639 --> 00:56:29,229
from like general how we view witches,
they have familiars, or they have, um,

1160
00:56:29,259 --> 00:56:33,709
or they can, um, shapeshift, right?

1161
00:56:33,822 --> 00:56:35,819
There's a lot of that going
on in folklore as well.

1162
00:56:35,829 --> 00:56:38,329
Like, they can shapeshift into
animals and things like that.

1163
00:56:38,339 --> 00:56:44,489
So, the hare shows up in this movie at
certain points, I think, where it's like

1164
00:56:45,329 --> 00:56:48,429
there was a hare then there was a witch.

1165
00:56:48,729 --> 00:56:49,499
Hmm.

1166
00:56:49,629 --> 00:56:54,319
I just listened to a story this morning
that comes from a Welsh storytelling,

1167
00:56:54,369 --> 00:56:59,989
um, where a guy is staying in a hotel
and he cut, he, uh, sees these cats

1168
00:56:59,999 --> 00:57:05,109
trying to steal from him out of his bag
or out of his wallet and he cuts one

1169
00:57:05,109 --> 00:57:08,989
of them on the paw and then the next
morning two of the ladies who run the

1170
00:57:08,989 --> 00:57:11,389
inn he's staying at, she has a hurt hand.

1171
00:57:11,689 --> 00:57:12,259
Ooh.

1172
00:57:12,784 --> 00:57:16,474
Those kind of stories you hear a lot
like where it's like, they're in the,

1173
00:57:16,514 --> 00:57:20,554
you know, you never see the hair and the
witch in the same place at the same time.

1174
00:57:20,714 --> 00:57:23,714
So I don't know maybe shape shifting
is going on maybe that's what we're

1175
00:57:23,714 --> 00:57:29,294
meant to believe here, but folklore they
really are associated with like Ostera

1176
00:57:29,324 --> 00:57:35,134
and the rebirth, like, The hair and
the eggs, which are Easter Bunny type

1177
00:57:36,629 --> 00:57:39,629
So tell me, if somebody pulls
this card in a tarot reading, what

1178
00:57:39,629 --> 00:57:40,959
does this say about that person?

1179
00:57:40,959 --> 00:57:41,349
I don't

1180
00:57:42,144 --> 00:57:46,344
Um, the way that I would read that,
uh, and, you know, I have the, the

1181
00:57:46,424 --> 00:57:48,024
guidebook and I can read what that says.

1182
00:57:48,024 --> 00:57:55,264
But for me personally, I would say about
a new beginning for you or, um, a rebirth.

1183
00:57:56,174 --> 00:58:03,109
Uh, that's kind of like in Thomason's
experience here, she's going through a

1184
00:58:03,119 --> 00:58:05,789
big change from childhood into womanhood.

1185
00:58:06,189 --> 00:58:12,619
And what that could mean for her is
coming into her power as a witch, right?

1186
00:58:12,739 --> 00:58:15,819
She's this innocent, godly girl.

1187
00:58:16,219 --> 00:58:20,069
She definitely wants to follow in,
you know, what's right and good.

1188
00:58:20,934 --> 00:58:22,834
But man, that's just not working for her.

1189
00:58:23,529 --> 00:58:23,939
know.

1190
00:58:23,959 --> 00:58:24,499
I mean,

1191
00:58:24,584 --> 00:58:25,794
It's not bringing her anything.

1192
00:58:27,234 --> 00:58:28,554
Criticism, usually.

1193
00:58:28,854 --> 00:58:32,454
So this is kind of her transition
into being like, and you see that

1194
00:58:32,454 --> 00:58:36,814
when she speaks up to her dad, when
she's like, Hey, listen, you're the

1195
00:58:36,814 --> 00:58:38,404
biggest hypocrite I've ever met.

1196
00:58:39,934 --> 00:58:42,184
She would not have said
that earlier in the movie.

1197
00:58:42,184 --> 00:58:50,484
She's very devoted, very, um, submissive
to her father, her mother, to authority.

1198
00:58:50,774 --> 00:58:54,994
And then it's like, now wait a minute,
I have something to say, right?

1199
00:58:55,504 --> 00:58:57,234
It's like her, it's like
a rebellious teenager.

1200
00:58:57,864 --> 00:59:01,754
It's like she hit the rebellious
teenager phase and instead of

1201
00:59:06,384 --> 00:59:11,774
Instead of cursing she cursed other people
like it's that's what it looks like to me.

1202
00:59:11,854 --> 00:59:15,724
Um, She made a full blown
transformation in the movie.

1203
00:59:18,084 --> 00:59:22,634
I want to say almost from innocence
I think there was a little bit there.

1204
00:59:22,634 --> 00:59:24,184
There's a little hint of something there.

1205
00:59:24,854 --> 00:59:25,414
Um,

1206
00:59:26,514 --> 00:59:28,764
then you could just say
that's human nature, too.

1207
00:59:28,994 --> 00:59:31,259
You could say, there's a little
bit of that in all of us.

1208
00:59:31,559 --> 00:59:32,149
And that's what,

1209
00:59:32,424 --> 00:59:32,944
yeah.

1210
00:59:33,439 --> 00:59:36,659
and that's what I think, because
she, yeah, you could, you could say

1211
00:59:36,659 --> 00:59:39,249
there's a little bit of that in all
of us, because we all conjure up

1212
00:59:39,269 --> 00:59:40,759
whatever we want in our own ways.

1213
00:59:41,569 --> 00:59:43,569
She was doing it in her own way, and

1214
00:59:45,689 --> 00:59:49,749
the, the climax of the movie is when
all the family turns on each other.

1215
00:59:50,179 --> 00:59:52,729
Not only scenes of possession, paranoia,

1216
00:59:54,729 --> 00:59:56,679
it's the good old fashioned
witchcraft right here.

1217
00:59:57,119 --> 00:59:58,269
And then you got the, the, uh,

1218
01:00:01,439 --> 01:00:02,739
See what Thomas said about Philip?

1219
01:00:03,909 --> 01:00:08,269
That's, to me, the masterclass
in filmmaking and building

1220
01:00:08,679 --> 01:00:10,739
dread and suspense.

1221
01:00:11,049 --> 01:00:13,839
Because when she finally sells that book!

1222
01:00:17,019 --> 01:00:20,899
Like, you know, That's it,
you know, no going back.

1223
01:00:20,929 --> 01:00:21,989
Like that's, that's it.

1224
01:00:22,964 --> 01:00:23,234
Yeah.

1225
01:00:24,309 --> 01:00:25,269
What did you think about that?

1226
01:00:25,279 --> 01:00:27,119
What about Black Phillip overall?

1227
01:00:27,549 --> 01:00:30,569
Tell us about Black Phillip
and the, the goat lore.

1228
01:00:30,569 --> 01:00:36,919
I already said it's bafflement,
symbolism, and him speaking to Thomason.

1229
01:00:37,209 --> 01:00:38,889
The twins said they spoke to him.

1230
01:00:38,889 --> 01:00:42,659
That's what got this whole thing kind
of started earlier in the movie, in the

1231
01:00:42,659 --> 01:00:49,019
plot, was that goat stable attack where
the twins said, Black Phillip told us,

1232
01:00:49,019 --> 01:00:52,459
you know, Like, what is, what is Black
Phillip, and what is his role in this?

1233
01:00:52,499 --> 01:00:55,019
Is this just a goat, or is
there something in that goat?

1234
01:00:55,784 --> 01:00:56,174
Yeah.

1235
01:00:56,184 --> 01:01:02,954
Well, again, like animals a familiar to
a witch or to, there's a lot of folklore

1236
01:01:02,954 --> 01:01:09,629
in that and it can be the goat, the cats,
um, birds, ravens, you see the raven,

1237
01:01:09,929 --> 01:01:10,489
Yeah.

1238
01:01:10,834 --> 01:01:11,304
right?

1239
01:01:11,304 --> 01:01:14,184
We'll, we'll talk about that in a
second, but Black Phillip, I mean,

1240
01:01:14,184 --> 01:01:20,504
this is just another, again, shape
shifting, he shape shifts into, we're

1241
01:01:20,504 --> 01:01:21,774
supposed to believe the devil, right?

1242
01:01:23,284 --> 01:01:24,934
the devil and that's the devil's book

1243
01:01:27,164 --> 01:01:31,004
I mean, this is more like, uh, when
you look into kind of the symbology in,

1244
01:01:31,014 --> 01:01:35,454
in, in Satanism, the goat and things
like that, how, and the ram having to

1245
01:01:35,454 --> 01:01:36,974
do with something to do with the devil.

1246
01:01:37,714 --> 01:01:43,154
I'm not as familiar with that folklore
because to me, it's more just about all

1247
01:01:43,154 --> 01:01:45,394
of the animals being of the natural world.

1248
01:01:45,394 --> 01:01:45,734
Right.

1249
01:01:46,804 --> 01:01:51,684
But, uh, I will say that in general,
that whole, um, witch in the

1250
01:01:51,684 --> 01:01:59,769
woods, the boy being bewitched,
um, The goats being black Phillip

1251
01:02:02,254 --> 01:02:07,454
Um, signing the devil's book and
then one of his coven, one of

1252
01:02:07,454 --> 01:02:10,314
his, followers or whatever it is.

1253
01:02:11,094 --> 01:02:16,554
me, this is just an entire movie made
out of the fears that the Puritan

1254
01:02:16,554 --> 01:02:18,224
people in New England had at the time.

1255
01:02:19,029 --> 01:02:19,439
Right?

1256
01:02:19,719 --> 01:02:23,739
Most of us now don't believe
that any of that was going on.

1257
01:02:24,039 --> 01:02:24,419
Hmm.

1258
01:02:24,719 --> 01:02:31,569
I, I doubt in the time period, there was
a lot of women who were like, Yeah, kind

1259
01:02:31,569 --> 01:02:35,679
of just feel like it'd be fun to go in
the woods naked and run around and dance

1260
01:02:35,689 --> 01:02:38,369
in the woods and sign the devil's book.

1261
01:02:38,439 --> 01:02:40,019
Like, this would be so fun to me.

1262
01:02:40,869 --> 01:02:45,559
But this movie is kind of like
bringing every fear that all

1263
01:02:45,569 --> 01:02:47,059
that folklore had together.

1264
01:02:47,269 --> 01:02:51,209
And the hold it had on people and
bringing it into a movie like what

1265
01:02:51,209 --> 01:02:53,919
if it was real like what if this
happened, this is what it would

1266
01:02:53,919 --> 01:02:56,569
look like, right, so that the goat.

1267
01:02:57,374 --> 01:02:58,184
is the devil.

1268
01:02:58,294 --> 01:02:59,894
He's the one that's
been whispering to them.

1269
01:03:00,434 --> 01:03:06,204
It also brings the fear of, there's a very
religious connotation in all this, which

1270
01:03:06,204 --> 01:03:12,432
is that the devil and the evilness of
all this going on could happen to anyone.

1271
01:03:13,504 --> 01:03:19,234
You could be as faithful and true
to your faith as possible, like this

1272
01:03:19,254 --> 01:03:21,234
family was seemingly in the beginning.

1273
01:03:22,214 --> 01:03:25,964
You know, the mother says that
at one point she's I was so

1274
01:03:25,964 --> 01:03:28,834
close to God and Christ's love.

1275
01:03:29,114 --> 01:03:30,324
I could feel it.

1276
01:03:30,624 --> 01:03:33,014
I could, you know, I could relish it.

1277
01:03:33,014 --> 01:03:36,054
I could, I could, I never even
needed the love of a husband

1278
01:03:36,054 --> 01:03:38,204
because I had this love of Christ.

1279
01:03:38,574 --> 01:03:39,904
And I've lost that.

1280
01:03:39,944 --> 01:03:41,104
I've lost my faith.

1281
01:03:41,554 --> 01:03:46,954
And, um, she's confessing, you know,
but it's like, there's a realization

1282
01:03:46,954 --> 01:03:50,194
here that you can be as good.

1283
01:03:50,466 --> 01:03:52,544
I use air quotes for those
of you who can't see me.

1284
01:03:52,924 --> 01:04:00,614
Good as possible, right, and still
be susceptible to evil that could

1285
01:04:00,614 --> 01:04:02,844
come in and kill your whole family.

1286
01:04:04,389 --> 01:04:05,432
Right, and it does.

1287
01:04:05,432 --> 01:04:08,555
And you'll learn how to play
as a man, except Thomas.

1288
01:04:08,555 --> 01:04:12,389
And then she, treks out naked.

1289
01:04:12,390 --> 01:04:16,337
And so, the rest of the batch
is, which, uh, Hey, I mean,

1290
01:04:16,337 --> 01:04:18,159
you know, it's not, but she's,

1291
01:04:25,959 --> 01:04:26,369
Trees.

1292
01:04:27,919 --> 01:04:30,554
Basically, witch festival, and

1293
01:04:30,854 --> 01:04:31,164
I

1294
01:04:31,689 --> 01:04:38,219
every, every year, April 30th to May
1st, that's Hexenacht, and that's

1295
01:04:38,318 --> 01:04:42,799
Valperkishnacht, and what happens is all
the witches go up to Brocken Mountain

1296
01:04:42,799 --> 01:04:46,269
and they get naked and they dance and
they have a wild orgy with the devil.

1297
01:04:46,289 --> 01:04:48,139
Now this is, this is real.

1298
01:04:48,399 --> 01:04:52,479
So how many places around here have
naked witches running around the woods?

1299
01:04:52,499 --> 01:04:55,579
Is this a common thing
or is this, what is this?

1300
01:04:56,944 --> 01:05:04,894
personally don't know of any, but what
the, the ceremony of that, or what doing

1301
01:05:04,894 --> 01:05:12,834
that would be, would now symbolize anyone
who, you know, Is coming into their own

1302
01:05:12,834 --> 01:05:22,274
power and leaving the expectations and
the idea that tamed is good and proper.

1303
01:05:22,614 --> 01:05:26,484
But that letting your natural
self be loved and embraced

1304
01:05:26,524 --> 01:05:27,924
by the energy of the world.

1305
01:05:28,384 --> 01:05:30,539
That that's kind of what that symbolizes.

1306
01:05:30,839 --> 01:05:31,209
Yeah.

1307
01:05:31,314 --> 01:05:35,004
about dancing with the devil
or signing the devil's book.

1308
01:05:35,354 --> 01:05:38,744
In fact, that would be
Almost patriarchal, right?

1309
01:05:38,774 --> 01:05:41,314
That would be like, okay,
I'm giving myself up to what?

1310
01:05:41,344 --> 01:05:42,734
Another male figure.

1311
01:05:43,064 --> 01:05:44,434
I'm his slave now.

1312
01:05:45,264 --> 01:05:51,974
Most of the time what it symbolizes is
This is me shedding off all of the masks,

1313
01:05:52,004 --> 01:05:58,384
all of the expectations of society,
um, my clothing, and being able to just

1314
01:05:58,404 --> 01:06:03,674
embrace the natural world, the woods,
the fire, the elements, the dancing, the

1315
01:06:03,684 --> 01:06:10,074
music, the drumming, and just be able
to embrace being and authentically me.

1316
01:06:10,874 --> 01:06:13,354
myself, on my own sovereignty, right?

1317
01:06:13,709 --> 01:06:13,999
Yeah.

1318
01:06:15,274 --> 01:06:18,064
There's some truth in there
though, is what you're saying.

1319
01:06:18,064 --> 01:06:21,134
Like, I mean, there's the, the
lore of the four naked witches.

1320
01:06:21,134 --> 01:06:30,154
That's, that's part of the German Val
Pergishnacht, the four sorceresses seen

1321
01:06:30,154 --> 01:06:31,194
on a brothel, all that kind of stuff.

1322
01:06:31,594 --> 01:06:39,444
And then the, the movie, The Witch
itself, the, the, the, the ending

1323
01:06:39,664 --> 01:06:42,744
when she starts floating away.

1324
01:06:43,939 --> 01:06:45,649
Did you find that as a happy ending?

1325
01:06:45,659 --> 01:06:46,819
Because you are a witch.

1326
01:06:47,264 --> 01:06:48,114
A little bit, yeah.

1327
01:06:48,544 --> 01:06:52,004
Yeah, I have to say, I was like,
alright, sounds good to me.

1328
01:06:52,654 --> 01:06:56,884
And a lot of that could have to do
with some of the hallucinogens and

1329
01:06:56,884 --> 01:07:03,244
mushrooms and some of the things that,
um, that witches, uh, participated in.

1330
01:07:03,245 --> 01:07:04,614
Or people who were called witches.

1331
01:07:05,254 --> 01:07:09,734
Um, it, yeah, it's not like, the
witch is flying on a broomstick.

1332
01:07:09,784 --> 01:07:12,644
Some of, some people believe
that that folklore came from.

1333
01:07:13,124 --> 01:07:18,594
The fact that they would rub their
broomstick with, um, hallucinogenic

1334
01:07:18,614 --> 01:07:21,694
mushrooms and things like that,
and then go flying, right?

1335
01:07:22,624 --> 01:07:24,194
Because in their mind, they were flying.

1336
01:07:25,409 --> 01:07:26,479
Sounds like a good time to me.

1337
01:07:26,479 --> 01:07:27,619
I mean, I try that out.

1338
01:07:27,619 --> 01:07:27,979
I don't know.

1339
01:07:28,064 --> 01:07:28,279
Yeah.

1340
01:07:28,564 --> 01:07:33,374
And to me, this is just like, again, if
it was a symbol, it would be, um, Thomason

1341
01:07:33,394 --> 01:07:35,614
going, like, okay, my family's dead.

1342
01:07:35,714 --> 01:07:36,934
Like, what else am I going to do?

1343
01:07:36,954 --> 01:07:37,234
Sure.

1344
01:07:37,234 --> 01:07:38,044
I'll sign your book.

1345
01:07:38,829 --> 01:07:39,339
I mean

1346
01:07:39,444 --> 01:07:43,524
going out into the woods
and being like, I'm free.

1347
01:07:44,528 --> 01:07:44,854
Right?

1348
01:07:44,884 --> 01:07:47,664
Like, I'm now floating with these women.

1349
01:07:47,744 --> 01:07:50,964
These women have nobody
telling them what to do.

1350
01:07:51,414 --> 01:07:53,344
I mean, if you take the
devil out of the equation.

1351
01:07:55,104 --> 01:07:56,754
I don't have anybody telling
me what to do anymore.

1352
01:07:56,774 --> 01:07:59,094
I don't have expectations to follow.

1353
01:07:59,534 --> 01:08:01,124
I am my own person.

1354
01:08:01,144 --> 01:08:03,654
I'm in charge of myself and I'm free.

1355
01:08:03,664 --> 01:08:07,264
And the floating feeling is
like coming into her power.

1356
01:08:08,494 --> 01:08:14,824
Uh, to me, we could
compare Thomasin to, um,

1357
01:08:17,424 --> 01:08:23,344
the main character Dani in Midsommar, when
she goes through all this hell, and at

1358
01:08:23,354 --> 01:08:26,804
the very end, it's only her standing and
she gets that little smirk on her face.

1359
01:08:27,174 --> 01:08:27,504
Yes.

1360
01:08:27,834 --> 01:08:30,904
Thomasin, at the end, when she
floats off, that's her smirk.

1361
01:08:31,184 --> 01:08:32,394
That's her smirk on her face.

1362
01:08:32,395 --> 01:08:33,014
I think.

1363
01:08:33,714 --> 01:08:34,794
She got a happy ending.

1364
01:08:35,184 --> 01:08:37,014
So maybe I'm wrong about A24 movies.

1365
01:08:37,014 --> 01:08:38,344
Maybe they do have happy endings.

1366
01:08:39,664 --> 01:08:41,324
Who is it happy for, you know?

1367
01:08:41,524 --> 01:08:41,904
Yeah.

1368
01:08:42,854 --> 01:08:44,164
What's your final thought on The Witch?

1369
01:08:46,444 --> 01:08:51,104
I think that the thread
of both of these movies.

1370
01:08:51,489 --> 01:08:57,839
is again the um, the idea of the
wildness and wilderness, And being

1371
01:08:57,839 --> 01:09:06,029
able to um, ask the question, is it
our job or is our purpose to tame

1372
01:09:06,029 --> 01:09:08,749
that wildness or embrace it, right?

1373
01:09:10,599 --> 01:09:16,039
is what's found in the woods
actually evil or is it just a Our

1374
01:09:16,099 --> 01:09:20,579
own shadows, our own natural self
that we need to confront and face.

1375
01:09:20,894 --> 01:09:21,454
Mmm,

1376
01:09:22,609 --> 01:09:27,409
And maybe for too long we've been
believing that it's something that

1377
01:09:27,689 --> 01:09:33,159
is to be shied away from, avoided,
it's evil, it's dangerous, it

1378
01:09:33,159 --> 01:09:36,542
shouldn't be, um, with at all.

1379
01:09:36,849 --> 01:09:40,658
And maybe it's time for each and
every one of us to go into those woods

1380
01:09:42,709 --> 01:09:47,409
whether physically or metaphorically, but
into the woods and confront your shadows.

1381
01:09:48,074 --> 01:09:48,684
I love that.

1382
01:09:48,734 --> 01:09:49,984
That's a great final thought.

1383
01:09:50,014 --> 01:09:52,224
My final thoughts on The Witch.

1384
01:09:52,264 --> 01:09:53,774
The Witch was, it's incredible.

1385
01:09:53,774 --> 01:09:54,794
It was an incredible watch.

1386
01:09:55,344 --> 01:09:58,234
It is a exhausting watch.

1387
01:09:58,264 --> 01:10:03,354
It's It's a miserable watch, like,
and I mean that in the best way,

1388
01:10:03,384 --> 01:10:04,764
Robert Eggers, if you're listening.

1389
01:10:05,434 --> 01:10:07,024
It's a miserable watch, but I loved it.

1390
01:10:07,114 --> 01:10:12,444
Like, I know when I put that movie on
ever again, that I'm gonna be depressed,

1391
01:10:13,062 --> 01:10:16,062
I'm gonna be sad, I'm gonna be down.

1392
01:10:16,154 --> 01:10:19,084
But I better finish it, because yeah,
I kind of get happy at the end when

1393
01:10:19,084 --> 01:10:21,264
Thomason wins, because to me, she wins.

1394
01:10:23,014 --> 01:10:27,104
I want to throw this out there about
Robert Eggers, he did an interview and

1395
01:10:27,104 --> 01:10:32,134
he was talking about the best behaved
and worst behaved of the actors and

1396
01:10:32,194 --> 01:10:38,654
animals, and the hare, the raven,
and the horse, all easy to work with.

1397
01:10:39,074 --> 01:10:40,844
Black Phillip was a bastard.

1398
01:10:41,649 --> 01:10:43,079
Yeah, he looks like it.

1399
01:10:43,264 --> 01:10:47,694
The shot we have with, um, the dad and
he's wrestling him, that wasn't scripted.

1400
01:10:47,694 --> 01:10:49,154
You can't script a scene
like that with a goat.

1401
01:10:49,164 --> 01:10:50,224
There he is, there's Black Phillip.

1402
01:10:50,644 --> 01:10:53,234
You can't script a scene where
you're wrestling a goat's horns.

1403
01:10:53,864 --> 01:10:54,724
That was crazy.

1404
01:10:54,804 --> 01:10:56,964
I can't believe, I hope he got paid.

1405
01:10:56,964 --> 01:10:59,364
I hope he got paid extra for that.

1406
01:10:59,364 --> 01:11:01,044
But, love this movie.

1407
01:11:01,064 --> 01:11:07,039
It was another, to me, New genre
defining type of movies, sub genre,

1408
01:11:07,039 --> 01:11:07,959
whatever you want to call it.

1409
01:11:08,429 --> 01:11:13,789
Topek, Topekian folk horror slash
witchcraft, all that kind of stuff.

1410
01:11:14,689 --> 01:11:17,799
Can't wait to see this Nosferatu movie
that Robert Eggers is putting out.

1411
01:11:18,789 --> 01:11:20,459
And anything else A24 has.

1412
01:11:20,459 --> 01:11:23,589
We've got another A24 movie
in this series coming up.

1413
01:11:24,199 --> 01:11:24,869
Hereditary.

1414
01:11:24,879 --> 01:11:25,679
You've never seen that one.

1415
01:11:25,709 --> 01:11:26,419
I can't wait for that.

1416
01:11:26,719 --> 01:11:27,949
No, I haven't seen it yet.

1417
01:11:27,989 --> 01:11:29,199
I'm just, I'm

1418
01:11:29,499 --> 01:11:30,449
Oh, you wait.

1419
01:11:30,849 --> 01:11:31,519
You wait.

1420
01:11:31,842 --> 01:11:33,432
Oh my God, Courtney, we're back.

1421
01:11:33,432 --> 01:11:34,722
Whoo!

1422
01:11:35,127 --> 01:11:36,147
Or maybe I should do this.

1423
01:11:36,177 --> 01:11:36,957
Maybe I should do this.

1424
01:11:37,982 --> 01:11:41,782
Yeah, that's it.

1425
01:11:45,402 --> 01:11:47,432
One episode we've had here though with.

1426
01:11:47,437 --> 01:11:49,347
who can't see me, I was
standing in the corner.

1427
01:11:49,412 --> 01:11:50,552
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1428
01:11:51,562 --> 01:11:55,472
As she was recreating the iconic
last shot of the Blair Witch there.

1429
01:11:56,732 --> 01:11:59,882
That's a nightmare inducing
shot though, really it is.

1430
01:11:59,892 --> 01:12:01,792
Like you see that and
you're like, oh shit.

1431
01:12:01,862 --> 01:12:02,082
Like,

1432
01:12:02,307 --> 01:12:03,347
It's so fast.

1433
01:12:03,482 --> 01:12:04,112
is, it is.

1434
01:12:04,212 --> 01:12:07,412
back and rewind it and watch it again just
to make sure I saw what I thought I saw.

1435
01:12:08,272 --> 01:12:10,667
but those two movies right
there, the Witch, the Vivic,

1436
01:12:11,282 --> 01:12:11,502
Mm

1437
01:12:11,507 --> 01:12:12,552
and the Player Witch.

1438
01:12:13,492 --> 01:12:14,332
I love those two.

1439
01:12:14,422 --> 01:12:15,712
I love those two flicks right there.

1440
01:12:15,712 --> 01:12:18,362
And that's gonna be a tough vote.

1441
01:12:18,712 --> 01:12:20,272
I don't know where my about to go between.

1442
01:12:20,422 --> 01:12:20,992
Yeah,

1443
01:12:21,132 --> 01:12:24,412
All right, people, so you gotta get out
there, you gotta vote, you gotta decide.

1444
01:12:24,502 --> 01:12:26,632
Out of those two movies,
which one did you like best?

1445
01:12:26,642 --> 01:12:28,952
And vote for all of the ones
in the past episodes as well.

1446
01:12:29,182 --> 01:12:29,602
yeah.

1447
01:12:29,762 --> 01:12:31,962
you vote so we know
what are your favorites.

1448
01:12:32,212 --> 01:12:34,762
And, and, and I gotta get, give
myself a shout out for having the

1449
01:12:34,762 --> 01:12:38,422
A 24 limited edition shirt on here.

1450
01:12:38,452 --> 01:12:41,242
'cause the Vivi was a 24

1451
01:12:41,962 --> 01:12:42,402
Yeah.

1452
01:12:42,412 --> 01:12:43,912
Oh Edge, edge Edgert.

1453
01:12:43,912 --> 01:12:44,527
Was that him?

1454
01:12:44,782 --> 01:12:45,652
Was he the one that did it?

1455
01:12:46,762 --> 01:12:49,882
Man, he's got a movie Nosferatu
coming out Christmas this year too.

1456
01:12:49,882 --> 01:12:51,232
We may have to break that one down.

1457
01:12:51,732 --> 01:12:52,122
Yeah.

1458
01:12:52,592 --> 01:12:53,602
I'm all for it.

1459
01:12:55,002 --> 01:12:58,042
But, until then, we're
getting closer, Kortn.

1460
01:12:58,222 --> 01:13:03,742
October 26th, Novel Daybreak by
Crescent Communities presents

1461
01:13:03,742 --> 01:13:07,312
The Witch Movie Project, live
podcast taping and movie screening.

1462
01:13:08,692 --> 01:13:09,932
And costume contest.

1463
01:13:09,962 --> 01:13:10,702
Don't forget.

1464
01:13:11,122 --> 01:13:15,212
Land of a Thousand Hills coffee shop
right there at Novel is gonna give us,

1465
01:13:15,212 --> 01:13:17,662
uh, uh, prizes for the costume contest.

1466
01:13:17,842 --> 01:13:18,272
Yes!

1467
01:13:18,292 --> 01:13:21,692
I've got gift cards, so if you love coffee
and drinks at Land of a Thousand Hills,

1468
01:13:21,702 --> 01:13:23,232
you're gonna wanna win this contest.

1469
01:13:23,242 --> 01:13:23,252
I

1470
01:13:23,802 --> 01:13:27,342
They've got seasonal stuff going on right
now too, like different witch type drinks.

1471
01:13:27,342 --> 01:13:28,612
This is perfect for us.

1472
01:13:29,052 --> 01:13:31,002
the chai and cider yesterday.

1473
01:13:31,447 --> 01:13:32,347
So good.

1474
01:13:32,707 --> 01:13:33,557
So good.

1475
01:13:33,652 --> 01:13:34,392
What was that one called?

1476
01:13:34,392 --> 01:13:35,162
You remember what that was called?

1477
01:13:36,357 --> 01:13:38,007
I think it was just called Chai and Cider.

1478
01:13:38,252 --> 01:13:41,862
We need to find out who, who came

1479
01:13:41,887 --> 01:13:45,227
but I was trying to find something good.

1480
01:13:46,342 --> 01:13:47,122
up with those names.

1481
01:13:47,122 --> 01:13:49,262
We need to talk to, was
it their own over there?

1482
01:13:49,322 --> 01:13:50,542
Land of a Thousand Hills, I wonder?

1483
01:13:50,587 --> 01:13:50,907
not sure.

1484
01:13:51,007 --> 01:13:51,607
I have to ask her.

1485
01:13:51,687 --> 01:13:52,097
Yeah.

1486
01:13:52,422 --> 01:13:52,812
Yeah.

1487
01:13:52,812 --> 01:13:53,242
Or some,

1488
01:13:53,257 --> 01:13:53,767
message.

1489
01:13:53,952 --> 01:13:57,552
they got a bunch of great, uh,
baristas over there though.

1490
01:13:57,562 --> 01:13:59,562
That could have been some of those,
some of those kids working over there.

1491
01:13:59,602 --> 01:14:00,522
They got their creative.

1492
01:14:00,522 --> 01:14:01,682
I love those people over there.

1493
01:14:01,752 --> 01:14:04,452
I've been doing my Tarot for
Tips events on Sinner Sundays

1494
01:14:04,732 --> 01:14:05,272
Yeah.

1495
01:14:05,342 --> 01:14:06,042
and they're amazing.

1496
01:14:06,052 --> 01:14:09,382
They always, they like to give me a
free drink if I go over there, um, to

1497
01:14:09,402 --> 01:14:13,172
read cards and they, um, gave people
15 percent off their drink order for

1498
01:14:13,182 --> 01:14:14,732
me reading cards for getting a reading.

1499
01:14:14,742 --> 01:14:16,142
So I love them over there.

1500
01:14:16,502 --> 01:14:17,652
I think they love me.

1501
01:14:17,882 --> 01:14:18,512
Yeah, they do.

1502
01:14:18,572 --> 01:14:18,772
it.

1503
01:14:19,102 --> 01:14:19,802
Yeah, they do.

1504
01:14:20,642 --> 01:14:21,412
That's incredible.

1505
01:14:21,612 --> 01:14:25,802
Let's give a special, special, special
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1506
01:14:25,812 --> 01:14:30,652
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1508
01:14:35,522 --> 01:14:36,292
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1509
01:14:36,312 --> 01:14:39,232
We're, we're all helping out
with the Witch Movie Project.

1510
01:14:40,787 --> 01:14:41,857
I'm proud of this project.

1511
01:14:41,857 --> 01:14:46,237
This thing's really rolled on and, and
we're, we're already talking about there

1512
01:14:46,237 --> 01:14:48,057
was some more movies down, down the road.

1513
01:14:48,057 --> 01:14:48,517
So we'll

1514
01:14:48,542 --> 01:14:48,922
yeah.

1515
01:14:49,002 --> 01:14:49,132
We're

1516
01:14:49,297 --> 01:14:50,132
tease that a little more.

1517
01:14:50,212 --> 01:14:50,852
train going.

1518
01:14:51,092 --> 01:14:54,182
We'll tease that a little more in
the following episodes, but until

1519
01:14:54,182 --> 01:14:55,332
then, we'll see you guys next week.