The Witch Movie Project Ep 4 - 'Love Witch' (2016) vs 'Autopsy of Jane Doe' (2016)

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There it is again.

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That violin.

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I just can't get over that
violin and that witch laughing.

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Is that actual, actual
footage of you, Courtney?

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Where did we get that witch laugh?

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It's not me,

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Okay.

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I really need to work on my cackle.

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I don't have a good cackle.

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You don't have a cackle, huh?

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Yeah, but I, I think the older I get, the
more I, more I'm getting to it, right?

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Is that what it is?

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But you're like 700 something years old,
so you gotta get even older than that.

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Oh, okay, okay.

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Here we are, it's the Witch Movie Project.

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This is a big episode today because
two of these movies, I love both

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of these movies, I don't think
you've seen either one of them.

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Yeah, a lot of nakedness in both.

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So you got a lot of good
stuff going on there.

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Yeah, usually, usually we like
to, uh, one of us usually likes

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to, uh, decorate ourselves as, uh,

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We do a little cosplay.

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This one not so much.

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We couldn't cosplay.

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I could have done that.

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We could have done the uh, the eyelids
from Samantha's character in Lovewitch

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because that's one of the movies.

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Uh, we could have done that.

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I got my wingtips on today.

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You just can't, can't really tell,

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That's true.

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That's true.

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right into my wrinkles.

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But this is the Lovewitch
and the autopsy of Jane Doe.

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This is all leading up to the big event,
October 26th, Novel Daybreak by Crescent

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Communities presents the Witch Movie
Project live podcast taping October and

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movie screening and costume contest prizes
are donated by land of a thousand hills

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thank you so much for that man that's
it's gonna be crazy over there i gotta

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say though i don't like to play favorites
but one of these movies that we're about

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to talk about today i really hope i hope
is is the one that we screen i really do

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Yeah.

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We've each got our little favorites.

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Try not to let that, uh, influence
our audience and what they

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decide or what they vote for.

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But we've got our hopes.

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Thanks.

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Thanks.

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but we're trying yeah so let's go ahead
and get to today's episode let's go

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check out these two movies the love
witch and the autopsy of jane doe

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I am so excited about
these two movies, Courtney.

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I know, I know.

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these

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are your pick.

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really though, I have only seen
these for the first time in the last

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maybe year or so, and guess what?

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These 2016 within months of each other.

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Yeah!

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They couldn't be more
similar, but so far apart.

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Once again, it's a, it's a common
theme here, what we're doing.

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But to me, you've got one witch who
is trying way too hard to get the

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result, and you got one witch who lays

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there.

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you know,

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Like,

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yeah, and we could talk about what
real witchcraft might look like,

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and it's probably a little bit more
like the Jane Doe, I have to say.

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So our second movie is
The Autopsy of Jane Doe.

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The first movie is The Love
Witch with Samantha Robinson.

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Like, holy cow.

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First up, what about the art direction?

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Like, it's, I ran across this movie late
at night one time, maybe a year ago, and

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I was like, Man, is this from the 70s?

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Like, this is awesome, but
how does it look so good?

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And then I finally looked in and found
out that, oh, this is the art style.

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This was the direction.

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They used the technicolor
and made the colors pop.

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Her makeup, I mean, like,
it's every, it pops.

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I know you have some facts about that.

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Yeah, yeah, go

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ahead.

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Oh, I had to look it up
because I'm Emma Willis.

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I have my notes here.

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You're going to hear me
like shuffling pages.

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Um, Emma Willis is the, the makeup.

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And I mean, you have to give
props because it's on point.

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I tried to do my little cat eye eyeliner
today and I was telling Blane, I

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had to do this side like four times.

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I still couldn't get it right.

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It's really hard to do a cat eye.

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It's a, this movie though
is a, like a visual feast.

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It looks like the sixties, seventies,
somewhere in that timeframe.

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That's for me.

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So I'm not really sure, but.

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It's the story, it follows, wait, she's
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that what you would say, and, uh, she's
trying to use her powers to find love.

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Like, is that the gist of it?

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Yeah, but this is a really good example
of, um, like we talked about last week,

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like, the intentions of the witch herself.

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If she's in a good mindset or if
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what those spells will create.

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Um, and I don't think it's any surprise
that, um, Elaine, our main character,

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the love witch, she's in sort of
a Um, coming from a crisis mode.

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She was in a mental health facility.

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She talks about this in the,
in the opening sequence.

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She's driving.

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She's like, everybody's been
abused and much worse than I have.

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And, you know, they'll be okay.

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And she's talking about trying to
come out of this mental health crisis.

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So she's been in this breakdown that
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of desperation of trying to figure out.

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What did I do wrong in
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Why didn't it work?

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Why didn't he love me?

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So it's no surprise that the spells
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like how this is playing out.

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She's, she's coming at it
with that energy, right?

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Yeah, and let's, and let's just say that
she's just a badass, because as she's

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driving in that opening sequence, she's
chain smoking what I found to, to, to

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be, after pausing it and zooming in.

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Man, those are like Newport menthols.

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She is hardcore smoking, but
look, making it look so sexy.

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that,

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it's the sixties.

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You can be at, yeah, you, you can
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throughout the movie and all that.

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and it's just, it adds to it,
but it gives you that, I don't

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know, that, that kind of grunge

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feel, but yet she makes it look so good.

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They all kind of do.

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I mean, everybody in
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These movies also, both of these movies,
lots of naked, lots of nakedness.

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One movie, you got the witch
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time, not in a sexual way.

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But in the other love words,
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She is.

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Very much.

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So once again, you got the comparison
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uh, outcomes of what their, uh,

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scantily cladness would be

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Well, there's a lot of
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with a retro suit.

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we get into like when, when the rituals
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I mean, it's a very common, uh, uh,
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of witchcraft or like witches in the
woods, they're going to be naked.

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They're going to be dancing around a fire.

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They're going to be
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I mean, that's sort of the imagery
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Um, what's interesting though, it's really
on point for a sixties, seventies movie

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because all the women are attractive.

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Um, almost, I mean, all the
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beautiful, not a blemish in sight.

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And the men, not traditionally attractive.

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I mean, not what you would
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So you're kind of like, we gave a
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to women, but those attracted to
men, we, we don't quite get the feast

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for the eyes that, uh, we deserve.

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Because even in the man, the man
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like it's, it's not much to look at.

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And then we're not out here judging, but

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I say traditionally attractive
because I don't believe in a,

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in a, in a one size fits all.

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yeah.

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I totally see that.

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And I mean, that's kind of, honestly,
that's, that's a big theme of

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the movie here is, is, uh, She's
just kind of looking for love.

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It doesn't matter.

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She, you know, it's not, she
doesn't really have a type.

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I don't guess, or does she?

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Well, it seems like she's
definitely, um, open to anything.

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someone gives her a
little bit of attention.

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She's like, all right,
I'm going with this.

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And we'll see how far I can get here or
I will see where this, this pans out.

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But when talking about, um, the,
the technicolor, the cinematography

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of like, making it look like the,
uh, it was made in the 1960s.

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I, I realized I have quite a bias
against movies that are older and, and

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I'm realizing that because when you
brought this movie up when we were first

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making our list, I looked it up and
I was like, Oh, this movie looks old.

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I don't know if I want to watch this.

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Is it going to be like super boring?

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Am I going to sit here and
watch this whole movie?

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And then I looked at the, the year 2016.

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I was like, wait, what?

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Yeah.

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What?

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Yep.

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looks like it was absolutely plucked
right out of, in fact, the choice of

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actors, they were just obscure enough.

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I didn't know any of
them from other things.

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So I was like, Oh, they, they totally
could have been from the sixties.

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only that, you didn't know them much,
but they all were stars in the movie.

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Like they, Samantha Robinson
shines, Jeffrey Fenton Price shines,

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Jennifer Ingram shine, like they
all shine, everybody in this movie.

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Like you said, I love that it
fits it, because if they would

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have picked a, I don't want to say
these people aren't A listers, but

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if they would have picked a huge,

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Mm hmm.

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if you'd have put a,

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hmm.

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who, Angelina Jolie in

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the,

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Tom Hanks

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exactly, you already

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Sergeant Griff.

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Can you picture that?

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Let's get an A hundreds.

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No, but the guy, uh, I don't
know if I say his name again.

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Keys that plays.

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Griff, yeah.

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Griff, amazing!

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His facial expressions fit
the 1960s style of acting.

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I mean, it just, it makes you
feel like you are watching a

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movie from that time period.

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Like, boop, right out of the,

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I wanted you to get into the tarot
cards and the artwork because there's

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a lot of stuff that I, an outsider to
this kind of lore, might have missed

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and I know you picked up on it because
there's lots of tarot cards, there's,

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uh, she's mixing herbs, there's all
the, there's witch stuff, there's a lot

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of witch stuff going on, but I don't
know what to, tell me about some, I

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mean, she puts some sort of spell on
the first guy, Wayne, was it Wayne?

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And then she takes a, a, a used
tampon, and I'm not saying that in

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a derogatory way, literally, a used
tampon, and puts it into a bottle

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of some sort with some other, which
stuff, like, what is all this?

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Is this typical stuff?

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Like, what is this?

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Okay, we can get into all of that.

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I want to, I want to start from
this opening sequence and from

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her going into the house, she even
mentions, um, she meets Trish.

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Trish is like, Oh, your friend
Barbara couldn't meet you.

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I'm here to let you into the apartment.

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Um, Trish is British.

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I

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What a powerhouse,

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that's

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What a powerhouse Trish

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right.

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Oh, she's fantastic.

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And she, uh, she talks about the artwork.

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So she says, um, she decorated
the apartment and it's like based

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on the Thoth Tarot, um, which the
director intentionally decorated

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the artwork, all of that, the
colors coming from the Thoth Tarot.

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And what's interesting
about that is that they're.

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There's the Thoth tarot, and there's a
Rider Waite Smith that are considered to

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be kind of the original artwork for tarot.

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Um, they're a little bit different,
but they come from the same place.

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So they are the same time period.

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And I wrote it down.

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They are both from Oh shoot, now
I have to find it in my notes.

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Um, there's a certain society I
have so many notes here that it's

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like, everything gets lost in

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ask you that, on the tarot
cards and all, go ahead,

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So, Rider Waite Smith, they are a group
of people who wrote, like, what we

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consider to be kind of the original,
um, artwork that was published.

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It was first multi Um, but they're both
from the Hermetic Order of the Golden

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Dawn, a secret society that created both
the Thoth Tarot and the Rider Waite Smith.

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And what's interesting is when you see
Elaine later doing a tarot reading,

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When, um, Wayne is going through his
little tough time there and she's

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sitting there and she does a tarot
reading, uh, I had to stop and pause

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on that because I'm like, actually
that's the Rider Waite Smith deck.

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So they mention Thoth as the inspiration
for the artwork in the apartment.

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You have a lot of those like bright
colors, like a lot of like primary

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colors, blue, red, yellow, right?

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It's very bright, but
just very interesting.

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And we'll get into like,
as we go through the movie.

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Some meanings of those tarot cards that
she pulls out when she does her reading.

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Yeah, because I got a lot
of questions about that.

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Let's go back to Trish.

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Yeah.

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She's, Laura Waddle is the one that
played her and I got a nerd out here

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for a minute because she's, she's
a big voice actor in video games.

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So if you're a bunch of games out
there, I think World of Warcraft,

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maybe even a Tomb Raider game or two.

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You might hear some similarities
there in her character, but

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that's just me nerd now.

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Love my video games.

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Anytime I can tie witches into
video games, that'd be awesome.

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Yeah.

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Whole other talk, whole other idea.

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Wait a minute, we'll get there,

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We might be on to something here.

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We need to sell this to a game
company and be like, hey, how can

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we create something from this?

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Yes, but

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I would buy it.

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get into the tarot art?

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Do you want to get into the tarot art now?

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Because I'm fascinated with it.

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well, she Let's see.

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I'm

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trying to think of where this begins.

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So, Trish and her go
to the te the tea room.

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Um, there's this really significant, um,
that the director, uh, Anna Biller, she

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says that when you see warm colors in
the that are in the shot, um, it's warm.

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representing the masculine
side, so the sun energy.

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And then you have cooler colors
in other scenes representing

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the feminine energy or the moon.

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So she had kind of a moon and
sun, um, play with colors in

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the different scenes there.

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So

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That matches up with what's That matches
definitely with what's going on in the

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movie because there's, there's a, it's
the themes of love, obsession, and the

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power dynamics between men and women.

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And see Elaine as, it's, she's a symbol
of women empowerment in this, but

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it's also everything that men fear.

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It's everything, it's really,
she's all of those things, but

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still able to get what she wants.

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And I think that's a powerful
message to get across there.

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Yeah.

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And it's interesting because the
conversation between Elaine and Trish, At

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the tea room when they first meet, it's
really setting you up for the, the sort of

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play in the movie of what is it is, what
are the actual feminist undertones here?

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What is actually the message?

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Because you have Trish, who's like,
listening to this, like, you just

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have to be his fantasy and you
have to give him whatever he wants.

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And men, men are simple
and they're like children.

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They just, they have their
needs and blah, blah, blah.

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And Trish is like,

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uh, what about my needs?

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Uh, what, and I'm like,
who's the feminist here?

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And who actually has power, right?

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Because

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is it Trish who believes that
like, well, women should be

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able to have their careers.

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I should be able to go
to a furniture convention

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Yeah,

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yeah, right.

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not go crazy while I'm gone.

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Like, he should be able to handle himself.

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He should love me.

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For me.

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She's like, oh, I guess, I guess
my husband just loves me for me.

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And I, and she believes that
at that moment in, in the

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movie, whereas Elaine is like.

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By the end of the movie, giving a speech
about how, you know, I become their

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fantasy and then their mind to control
and, but she's really living her life

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to be whatever men want her to be.

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Right?

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So it kind of, it begs this question
of like, is men objectifying you

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actual power or is that playing into
still the idea that we exist for men?

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Something to think about
for you feminists out there.

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you're right.

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There is a balance.

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There's a fine line of balance
between those two things.

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It's like you could tip one
way or the other very easily.

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And it's there.

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I love that, that you picked up.

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Yeah.

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And I mean, we're skipping around
a little bit, but at the end when

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she says, Witchcraft gave me power.

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She's not wrong there.

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Obviously you see throughout the
movie these, uh, these, uh, hints

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or these clues that Aileen was
abused as a child by her father.

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She was, uh, treated poorly, badly,
and disrespected by her husband.

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And, uh, she is clearly in a mental state
of like, Believing her worth depends

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on how the men in her life see her.

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So she says, Witchcraft saved my life.

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Witchcraft is my power.

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And that is a really good point because
a lot of women turn to witchcraft because

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they feel powerless in their life.

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They're in an oppressed, they're part
of the oppressed, um, society or gender.

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So it's their way of being like, well,
if I can't have power in society, I'm at

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least going to have power in this way.

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Right.

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So

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yeah, so with that being said,

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that little rant is over.

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you can rant all you want, but I love
that the take, I mean, that's what

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we're, that's what we're trying to do
here is break down and find out and

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look at symbols and compare things.

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And the, and the themes, like what,
what is the director really trying

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to show here with a, Female director,
you've got these undertones of like,

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the feminist point of view, right?

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And may I just say, so we're going
through the movie, and we have Wendy,

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who is the shop owner at the little,
played by Jennifer Couch, um, at the

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little shop, Apothecary, where Elaine is
gonna sell her witch bottles and stuff.

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Um, We briefly see her twice in the movie.

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She has a very, you know, pretty
small moment, but I had to point it

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out because she's incredible too.

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Her acting, she's incredibly bland, right?

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And it makes you, it like
transports me back in time.

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It makes me think I'm watching a movie
from a whole generation ago, right?

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Like it's, it's there.

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Yeah.

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I love it.

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Yeah.

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goes up to talk to her and Wendy's just
at the counter like, can I help you?

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I mean, it's just deadpan.

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Just.

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it's perfect.

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I had to give a shout out.

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I loved it.

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I love that.

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It is perfect.

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And the, the tarot cards artwork.

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I'm ready to get to that because
I got a lot of questions about it.

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I've seen different artwork with
the same names on all these cards.

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What were these cards that she had in this
movie and are they the same as we see?

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I know you talked about it a little bit
ago with the two different kinds, but

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what was, what were these that she had?

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Yeah.

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So she was, um, doing a little
reading three card spread.

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You see her doing that on the table
at Wayne's cabin, while Wayne's

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having a bit of a emotional breakdown.

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She does this, uh, spread and I'm
looking at it closer and I'm like,

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that's not Thoth, that's, uh, Rider
Waite Smith, at least from my knowledge.

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Now somebody else might know Terra
way more than me, I'm not an expert,

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but if somebody knows differently,
you can definitely shout it out to me.

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But I'm like, oh, that's, uh,
That's um, the Rider Waite

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Smith artwork that I know of.

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And so I pulled out my Rachel True deck,
and I found the same cards in the spread.

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So I'm thinking to myself, if I
was doing this tarot reading, what

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would I think about these cards?

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And she pulls up the Five of Cups.

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I'm going to try to show it on
camera, because if you are watching

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on YouTube, then you can see it.

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This is her interpretation
of the Five of Cups.

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It looks very different than the movie.

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Or the Rider Waite Smith.

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But the meaning, you know, different
tarot artists and tarot writers can

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do kind of their own interpretation of
the tarot, and that's totally allowed.

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So, while everything has a symbol and
a meaning, it's also up for intuition

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and interpretation based on the
reader, based on the artwork of the

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deck, all that can be an influence.

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But you'll see in this card
how it doesn't necessarily

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look like a very positive card.

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You have like a woman in a bathtub
and there's portraits all around her

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with eyes and the cups are around
her spilling out water and she's

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kind of in a like crying state.

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And I don't like to say that there's
tarot cards that are bad or negative,

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but, um, but there are tarot cards that
are going to be pretty blunt and are

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going to be like, Yeah, the joke is,
Oracle cards are like, everything is

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rainbows, everything is wonderful, and
Terra was like, you're in trouble, girl.

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So, it'll give you the truth,
is the me is the basic.

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Kind of like, so you're saying
it'll, it'll turn out like that

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Tarot movie that just came out.

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Ugh, love it!

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Hey, watch out for the bonus episode where
me and Courtney Pearl break down Tarot.

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We have to talk about that one because
that came out well after we made our list,

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but it was pretty interesting, right?

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But yeah, the idea here is like the
five of cups means emotional turmoil.

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It's a point of struggle.

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It's not like everything's easy breezy.

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Everything's going to turn out your way.

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She's got the tarot or the
tower card in the middle.

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The tower is notorious for
being like everything's about

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to blow up in your face.

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Get ready, you're gonna have to
leap from a burning building.

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That's kind of the energy of the tower.

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And then of course, this shows
up a few times in the movie, the

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Three of Swords, with the heart
being stabbed to three swords.

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I mean, I don't think you have to
be a tarot reader to like, kind

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of derive some meaning from that.

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It's a heart.

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It's been stabbed three times.

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So that's the reading she gets with Wayne.

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Mm

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Now,

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the whole thing, like, you just mentioned
the heart with the swords, and I'm

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thinking about some of the imagery
we see, background, the, we already

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talked about the vibrant colors, but
there's a lot of symbolism in the, in

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the rituals that they're performing,
and on top of that, the color schemes

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and the way it's all arranged,
almost, feels Like you're in a dream.

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It feels like you're asleep.

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It's very dreamlike.

470
00:24:41,341 --> 00:24:47,101
Um, which fits into the whole,
the theme of love and passion.

471
00:24:47,111 --> 00:24:50,371
You know, you're, you're, you're
like the movie feels euphoric.

472
00:24:51,991 --> 00:24:53,841
It's not as happy as our other movie, but

473
00:24:54,526 --> 00:24:55,496
No.

474
00:24:55,801 --> 00:24:56,341
one yet, because

475
00:24:56,346 --> 00:25:01,516
different vibe, but still in the
horror, um, when I, you know, when I

476
00:25:01,516 --> 00:25:04,796
looked it up, it was considered, um,
in the article that I was reading,

477
00:25:04,806 --> 00:25:06,836
it was considered a horror comedy.

478
00:25:08,196 --> 00:25:11,586
Which you can definitely see that aspect
of it because there's some moments

479
00:25:11,606 --> 00:25:13,966
that are just kind of like, what?

480
00:25:14,411 --> 00:25:15,091
way over the top.

481
00:25:15,166 --> 00:25:16,366
is happening right now?

482
00:25:16,666 --> 00:25:20,541
Like the, there's a sequence in there
where they're at like a medieval festival

483
00:25:20,551 --> 00:25:22,151
type thing and there's a dance scene.

484
00:25:22,201 --> 00:25:24,901
I'm like, man, this is, this
is, this is wild, you know?

485
00:25:25,306 --> 00:25:28,386
Lots of tarot symbols in
that medieval scene too.

486
00:25:28,616 --> 00:25:31,526
You've got the big sun in the
background where they're playing out

487
00:25:31,536 --> 00:25:36,166
the, um, which by the way, there's,
they call it a midsummer festival.

488
00:25:37,371 --> 00:25:41,841
But at the same time, they have the
Holly King, um, battling with winter.

489
00:25:41,891 --> 00:25:42,381
Um,

490
00:25:44,521 --> 00:25:48,201
it reads a little bit more like a,
or as the young kids would say, it's

491
00:25:48,271 --> 00:25:51,551
giving, it's giving spring vibes,

492
00:25:51,851 --> 00:25:52,461
Yeah.

493
00:25:52,791 --> 00:25:54,751
but he calls it midsummer.

494
00:25:54,921 --> 00:25:57,661
So I don't know, but there's
a lot of tarot symbols.

495
00:25:57,801 --> 00:26:02,151
Uh, the fool, the jester that's
running around with this little jester

496
00:26:02,161 --> 00:26:04,611
scepter, and he's kind of being silly.

497
00:26:05,361 --> 00:26:09,826
Those are all symbols from the major
arcana of the Of the tarot deck.

498
00:26:10,016 --> 00:26:10,496
So,

499
00:26:11,031 --> 00:26:11,631
great to know.

500
00:26:11,661 --> 00:26:15,385
See, I thought maybe I picked
up on that, but it was there.

501
00:26:15,681 --> 00:26:16,971
It's very evident.

502
00:26:17,851 --> 00:26:25,021
Uh, my final thoughts on Love Witch is,
I think it's, it's a, it's a classic,

503
00:26:26,931 --> 00:26:28,421
and I mean that in two different ways.

504
00:26:28,421 --> 00:26:35,046
It's, it looks like a classic, but I think
it's also Stands the test of time, or

505
00:26:35,046 --> 00:26:41,456
whatever you want to call it, and I think
it just has its own place in witch horror.

506
00:26:41,646 --> 00:26:44,776
It has its own place in folk horror genre.

507
00:26:45,276 --> 00:26:46,676
It's a work of art.

508
00:26:46,736 --> 00:26:47,746
I really did enjoy it.

509
00:26:48,891 --> 00:26:55,851
I want to shout out that Ocelot Soap
Laboratories, that's the, the, the people

510
00:26:55,851 --> 00:26:57,731
who, uh, basically produced this film.

511
00:26:58,331 --> 00:27:02,501
And I love that, I love that company
because they did a movie that I

512
00:27:02,501 --> 00:27:04,241
really, really love called Coherence.

513
00:27:05,081 --> 00:27:08,371
And this one's not a
witch movie, Courtney, so

514
00:27:08,806 --> 00:27:09,036
uh,

515
00:27:09,551 --> 00:27:10,121
paper your,

516
00:27:10,326 --> 00:27:10,986
all be great.

517
00:27:11,286 --> 00:27:14,441
exactly, yeah, but this movie, I've
seen this movie over a hundred times,

518
00:27:14,701 --> 00:27:20,651
um, and they, and I'm just pointing
that out because the artistic direction

519
00:27:20,671 --> 00:27:23,581
in this and what they do in Coherence.

520
00:27:24,391 --> 00:27:29,731
It's almost like, to me, uh, this
company, Oscilloscope Laboratories,

521
00:27:30,261 --> 00:27:32,101
they are almost like an A24.

522
00:27:32,141 --> 00:27:33,561
It's like, you're gonna get experience.

523
00:27:33,961 --> 00:27:35,831
Coherence isn't just an experience.

524
00:27:35,881 --> 00:27:37,701
Coherence is shot like a stage play.

525
00:27:38,291 --> 00:27:41,271
The actors knew bullet points, but
they didn't get given a script.

526
00:27:41,731 --> 00:27:43,961
So I love when people are
thinking outside the box.

527
00:27:44,861 --> 00:27:47,506
This Love Witch movie is
outside the box with the

528
00:27:47,806 --> 00:27:48,606
Mm hmm.

529
00:27:48,761 --> 00:27:51,371
The whole thing is, it's like you
said, you were like, Oh my gosh, I'm

530
00:27:51,371 --> 00:27:52,511
gonna have to watch an old movie.

531
00:27:53,271 --> 00:27:55,491
Nah, it's only five years
old, six years old, you know,

532
00:27:55,791 --> 00:27:56,136
Yeah.

533
00:27:56,396 --> 00:28:00,546
It was, it was, it was, uh,
challenging my bias and I'm

534
00:28:00,556 --> 00:28:02,086
happy to be challenged in that.

535
00:28:02,406 --> 00:28:05,656
There's plenty of movies that were
made 30 years ago, 50 years ago.

536
00:28:05,776 --> 00:28:08,046
They're fantastic movies as well.

537
00:28:08,076 --> 00:28:09,456
So I need to get over that.

538
00:28:09,466 --> 00:28:10,506
That's my issue.

539
00:28:10,606 --> 00:28:11,266
Not yours.

540
00:28:11,771 --> 00:28:12,691
A problem for the movie.

541
00:28:12,991 --> 00:28:16,841
We've got some of those coming
up here later on in this project

542
00:28:16,841 --> 00:28:19,031
we're doing, but what are your
final thoughts on the Love Witch?

543
00:28:19,381 --> 00:28:20,631
Okay, final thoughts.

544
00:28:20,841 --> 00:28:25,691
This is a feast for the eyes but it's
also a feast for the witch because if a

545
00:28:25,691 --> 00:28:29,251
witch watches and you're watching for all
of this symbolism and you're looking for

546
00:28:29,251 --> 00:28:33,516
things like what's in the witch bottle
and what they do, um, which by the way,

547
00:28:33,886 --> 00:28:40,156
Uh, using parts of your own body is, is,
uh, that is a practice in witchcraft.

548
00:28:40,226 --> 00:28:45,109
Um, typically I don't see people
using urine and tampons in witchcraft.

549
00:28:45,186 --> 00:28:47,416
That's just not the way I've seen it done.

550
00:28:47,416 --> 00:28:50,366
I'm not saying that isn't
something that people might do.

551
00:28:51,001 --> 00:28:55,531
I mean, if you think about it, it's,
yeah, you're using the menstrual cycle to

552
00:28:55,631 --> 00:28:56,141
attract

553
00:28:56,521 --> 00:28:57,291
blood.

554
00:28:57,311 --> 00:28:59,431
Yeah, I have used hair.

555
00:28:59,861 --> 00:29:03,961
So like in making an offering when I
am picking things from my garden, I

556
00:29:03,961 --> 00:29:05,751
don't want to just take from the plants.

557
00:29:05,781 --> 00:29:10,281
I usually leave like a strand of
hair in the soil to nourish it

558
00:29:10,301 --> 00:29:12,581
with whatever offering that I can.

559
00:29:12,973 --> 00:29:16,741
Um, you know, our nail clippings or
things like that that might nourish

560
00:29:16,741 --> 00:29:21,271
a garden and be offered back to the
earth, you know, just in a symbol.

561
00:29:21,996 --> 00:29:27,646
Symbolistic, uh, symbolic of reciprocity
with the land, things like that.

562
00:29:28,066 --> 00:29:31,586
Um, however, I did just want to
point out that the tampon thing.

563
00:29:31,996 --> 00:29:36,616
It bothers me because we just found
out, research just showed how much

564
00:29:36,866 --> 00:29:42,708
chemicals and lead is in tampons, so
that doesn't seem quite as natural, um,

565
00:29:42,816 --> 00:29:46,466
as the menstrual blood would maybe do
in the witchcraft, so I'm just gonna,

566
00:29:46,691 --> 00:29:47,321
Why it didn't work

567
00:29:47,321 --> 00:29:47,511
out.

568
00:29:48,056 --> 00:29:49,536
Maybe that's that why
it didn't work out for.

569
00:29:49,681 --> 00:29:50,091
Maybe that was it.

570
00:29:50,246 --> 00:29:51,006
that's not why, yeah.

571
00:29:51,816 --> 00:29:53,981
Not a, not a fan, not a fan, but.

572
00:29:54,571 --> 00:29:57,001
My final thought is in the tarot.

573
00:29:57,011 --> 00:30:00,691
So you see Richard, the married
man that she has an affair with, he

574
00:30:00,691 --> 00:30:02,471
does a little tarot spread as well.

575
00:30:03,039 --> 00:30:06,191
And in his spread, you see the devil card.

576
00:30:07,116 --> 00:30:11,136
And in the devil card, you have
two people, usually man and woman,

577
00:30:11,606 --> 00:30:15,066
um, naked on the card with the
devil, and they're chained up.

578
00:30:16,216 --> 00:30:20,866
And this card usually comes up when
we're talking about addiction, or

579
00:30:20,866 --> 00:30:25,276
we're talking about vices, or things
that keep you trapped and chained

580
00:30:25,336 --> 00:30:30,006
and, you know, when you're too much in
your ego and that's not serving you.

581
00:30:30,706 --> 00:30:35,036
But it is, in contrast, and a lot of
tarot readers read them as opposites.

582
00:30:36,026 --> 00:30:39,526
It is the, um, balancing
card with the lover's card.

583
00:30:39,841 --> 00:30:40,321
Okay.

584
00:30:40,916 --> 00:30:45,136
So they have the same, uh,
kind of imagery on them.

585
00:30:45,136 --> 00:30:48,406
You have the two people chained
up on the devil card, and you have

586
00:30:48,406 --> 00:30:51,726
the two lovers on the lover card.

587
00:30:52,466 --> 00:31:00,766
And I think that is very, um, much,
The overall takeaway from this movie

588
00:31:01,126 --> 00:31:06,696
is that it's, you know, to be careful
with what you want and like what

589
00:31:06,696 --> 00:31:12,376
you're actually seeking for, because
she kept seeking for real, true love.

590
00:31:13,891 --> 00:31:20,971
And what she got was a lot of lust,
passion, um, insecurity, uh, you

591
00:31:20,971 --> 00:31:23,161
know, it didn't work in her favor.

592
00:31:23,161 --> 00:31:26,321
It was more like the devil
card showing up, right?

593
00:31:28,821 --> 00:31:29,311
I love it.

594
00:31:29,971 --> 00:31:30,061
I

595
00:31:30,061 --> 00:31:31,401
think I will watch.

596
00:31:31,461 --> 00:31:32,621
Are you gonna watch this movie again?

597
00:31:33,491 --> 00:31:38,511
Oh yeah, yeah, this will be like
maybe a certain time of year favorite,

598
00:31:38,521 --> 00:31:41,191
maybe during Valentine's Day season.

599
00:31:41,211 --> 00:31:42,231
I mean, it's The Love Witch.

600
00:31:42,261 --> 00:31:42,631
I do.

601
00:31:42,671 --> 00:31:45,401
I think that'd be a great, great
one to, uh, maybe we'll, maybe we'll

602
00:31:45,401 --> 00:31:46,671
screen that for Valentine's Day.

603
00:31:47,231 --> 00:31:49,011
Oh, that'd be amazing.

604
00:31:50,301 --> 00:31:51,221
Put some people in their spare.

605
00:31:51,811 --> 00:31:54,995
Maybe we'll have a naked ritual
or whatever they did in the

606
00:31:54,995 --> 00:31:55,871
movie and we'll set up a,

607
00:31:56,171 --> 00:32:00,596
Yeah, yeah, my days of doing
anything like that were long gone

608
00:32:00,596 --> 00:32:01,896
if they ever happened at all.

609
00:32:02,146 --> 00:32:04,826
I don't think people
ever catch me doing that.

610
00:32:05,761 --> 00:32:08,486
speaking of naked, let's
talk about this next movie.

611
00:32:08,786 --> 00:32:08,906
Oh,

612
00:32:09,961 --> 00:32:11,841
The autopsy of Jane Doe.

613
00:32:12,276 --> 00:32:12,921
I know.

614
00:32:13,221 --> 00:32:16,381
I don't like to call stuff
favorites and all that,

615
00:32:16,381 --> 00:32:16,681
but this

616
00:32:16,746 --> 00:32:19,116
but you've been chomping at
the bit since the beginning.

617
00:32:19,296 --> 00:32:20,096
I know that.

618
00:32:20,361 --> 00:32:21,011
this movie

619
00:32:21,046 --> 00:32:21,476
tell.

620
00:32:22,041 --> 00:32:23,551
up at the top for me.

621
00:32:24,181 --> 00:32:25,341
Uh, it's,

622
00:32:25,786 --> 00:32:26,416
I can see why.

623
00:32:28,241 --> 00:32:29,241
where do you start with this movie?

624
00:32:29,471 --> 00:32:35,671
You've got, you've got the
protagonist that never moves.

625
00:32:36,121 --> 00:32:36,881
She's laying on a

626
00:32:36,881 --> 00:32:37,231
table,

627
00:32:37,236 --> 00:32:40,676
main character, the witch of this movie,

628
00:32:42,541 --> 00:32:43,281
never moves.

629
00:32:43,621 --> 00:32:43,891
Or does

630
00:32:46,581 --> 00:32:46,881
she?

631
00:32:46,891 --> 00:32:53,231
Because I swear, like her face, her
impression, like it looks like they

632
00:32:53,231 --> 00:32:54,731
change a little bit in the movie.

633
00:32:55,236 --> 00:32:55,616
But they don't.

634
00:32:56,146 --> 00:32:58,516
well Matt even said at one point
when we were watching it, he

635
00:32:58,516 --> 00:33:00,036
goes, Did I just see her eye move?

636
00:33:01,466 --> 00:33:01,886
Now,

637
00:33:02,341 --> 00:33:03,451
And we weren't sure.

638
00:33:03,551 --> 00:33:04,471
It wasn't quite.

639
00:33:05,786 --> 00:33:10,536
Ian, Ian, the writer Ian Goldberg and
Richard Name, I saw an interview with them

640
00:33:10,546 --> 00:33:15,046
on, on, uh, Joe Bob, they, they, Joe Bob
Briggs and Darcy have done this movie and

641
00:33:15,071 --> 00:33:15,681
Mm hmm.

642
00:33:15,981 --> 00:33:19,006
Ian Goldberg, Joe Bob asked
him, did her face move?

643
00:33:19,006 --> 00:33:23,636
And he's like, no, it's just the, the
great acting of our main character,

644
00:33:25,396 --> 00:33:27,146
Jane Doe, which is played by

645
00:33:28,631 --> 00:33:29,611
Olwen Kelly.

646
00:33:29,996 --> 00:33:31,266
Owen Catherine Kelly.

647
00:33:31,396 --> 00:33:33,686
And she used, she used yoga.

648
00:33:34,551 --> 00:33:34,991
I know.

649
00:33:34,991 --> 00:33:38,551
And it said, yeah, I read that
they had looked for and the reason

650
00:33:38,551 --> 00:33:42,951
she was cast is because she is a.

651
00:33:43,866 --> 00:33:48,566
A yogi, uh, practices yoga, and
was able to stay still, they did

652
00:33:48,566 --> 00:33:50,536
not want to use, like, a fake body.

653
00:33:50,536 --> 00:33:53,516
They thought, oh, people will, will be
able to tell, and we don't want it to

654
00:33:53,516 --> 00:33:55,030
be fake, we want it to be a real body.

655
00:33:55,826 --> 00:34:00,146
And, I mean, that's incredible!

656
00:34:00,646 --> 00:34:02,086
Mind blowing!

657
00:34:03,256 --> 00:34:03,996
She laid there.

658
00:34:04,836 --> 00:34:08,876
For eight to ten hours a day,
during filming, on a metal table.

659
00:34:10,796 --> 00:34:12,586
In a room full of probably men,

660
00:34:13,186 --> 00:34:13,526
Yeah.

661
00:34:13,646 --> 00:34:13,706
I

662
00:34:13,826 --> 00:34:16,156
like vulnerable and still

663
00:34:18,216 --> 00:34:20,006
put on what I would call an Oscar.

664
00:34:20,006 --> 00:34:22,726
This is an Oscar winning performance
without having to do anything.

665
00:34:23,656 --> 00:34:28,426
Say that, I say that because you, I know
you gotta do a lot to do that, but on the

666
00:34:28,426 --> 00:34:29,846
surface you don't have to do anything.

667
00:34:30,581 --> 00:34:31,391
Except do it well.

668
00:34:31,431 --> 00:34:31,851
She did it.

669
00:34:32,251 --> 00:34:40,581
She did it so well that that along
with what we'll get into, uh, Brian

670
00:34:40,581 --> 00:34:46,761
Cox and Neil Hirsch, the acting from
them, you are immersed in this film.

671
00:34:48,331 --> 00:34:51,061
You are trapped

672
00:34:51,456 --> 00:34:52,106
Mm hmm.

673
00:34:52,201 --> 00:34:55,811
at old, it's the old school mentality
of, Oh, the cabin in the woods, or,

674
00:34:56,481 --> 00:35:00,921
uh, how do we get everybody isolated
to where you can't get out to where

675
00:35:00,921 --> 00:35:02,421
you make the viewer feel that way?

676
00:35:02,921 --> 00:35:03,241
Sure.

677
00:35:03,241 --> 00:35:06,431
We've seen it a million
times, but not like this.

678
00:35:07,121 --> 00:35:07,611
Yeah,

679
00:35:07,956 --> 00:35:08,156
That's it all.

680
00:35:09,676 --> 00:35:09,966
Go ahead.

681
00:35:09,976 --> 00:35:10,726
You want to say something?

682
00:35:10,726 --> 00:35:11,116
I see you.

683
00:35:11,226 --> 00:35:11,666
I see you.

684
00:35:12,061 --> 00:35:15,341
well, I was just thinking about how
you, you only see the outside of the

685
00:35:15,341 --> 00:35:20,051
house in a couple little parts, you
know, right at the beginning, right at

686
00:35:20,051 --> 00:35:21,741
the end, the entire movie takes place.

687
00:35:22,291 --> 00:35:25,481
Like, underground, in this morgue, and

688
00:35:26,086 --> 00:35:28,056
In a, in a morgue and a family home.

689
00:35:28,156 --> 00:35:35,146
Now, how many people live
in the, you know, morgue or

690
00:35:36,626 --> 00:35:37,426
it's a little weird, right?

691
00:35:37,811 --> 00:35:38,681
I couldn't do it.

692
00:35:41,046 --> 00:35:43,316
I actually got a friend, I got
a good friend that I went to

693
00:35:43,316 --> 00:35:45,086
high school with, Stephanie.

694
00:35:45,116 --> 00:35:45,836
I love you, Stephanie.

695
00:35:46,386 --> 00:35:48,356
She lives above one in my hometown.

696
00:35:48,476 --> 00:35:49,936
She lives above a funeral home.

697
00:35:50,621 --> 00:35:51,261
Wow.

698
00:35:51,536 --> 00:35:52,306
Talked to her about it before.

699
00:35:52,306 --> 00:35:54,736
She said there's some weird stuff, but
you know, you just don't go looking.

700
00:35:56,251 --> 00:35:58,371
In this movie, they, they
didn't have a choice.

701
00:35:58,371 --> 00:36:03,661
Like the, the doors are opening,
there's bodies walking around.

702
00:36:03,671 --> 00:36:07,101
Like it's, you're on edge.

703
00:36:07,421 --> 00:36:08,381
Oh my gosh, yeah.

704
00:36:08,681 --> 00:36:12,261
There's all these little pieces, the
radio, you've got the radio playing

705
00:36:12,261 --> 00:36:16,911
different music at certain times
that matches up, you've got Brian

706
00:36:16,911 --> 00:36:19,121
Cox playing, uh, the dad, the, the

707
00:36:19,121 --> 00:36:19,581
main,

708
00:36:19,701 --> 00:36:20,971
he's fantastic.

709
00:36:21,621 --> 00:36:25,041
and he, he keeps his cool.

710
00:36:25,041 --> 00:36:27,001
It's like, I love how they're
cutting open the body.

711
00:36:27,001 --> 00:36:28,861
And he's like, Oh, I've
seen this a thousand times.

712
00:36:29,251 --> 00:36:33,931
Yeah, and it's generational, like they've,
they've, this, um, this job, this career

713
00:36:33,966 --> 00:36:37,911
has been in the family for generations,
so it's like, passed on to father to

714
00:36:37,911 --> 00:36:40,641
son, like, we just, we do autopsies.

715
00:36:41,021 --> 00:36:41,211
This

716
00:36:41,231 --> 00:36:42,071
the Tilden Morgue.

717
00:36:42,071 --> 00:36:45,481
The Tilden Morgue is what it
is in Virginia or somewhere.

718
00:36:47,231 --> 00:36:52,081
It's, he's, it's his life and you can
tell he's not really rattled by much.

719
00:36:52,121 --> 00:36:54,981
It's, many times he
says, Oh, it's a corpse.

720
00:36:55,061 --> 00:36:55,841
Oh, it's this, it's

721
00:36:55,901 --> 00:36:56,211
that.

722
00:36:56,901 --> 00:36:57,331
Yeah.

723
00:36:57,381 --> 00:37:00,701
There's got to be some
detachment in doing that job.

724
00:37:00,711 --> 00:37:03,781
Like, I'm not thinking about this
person, their life, or why or how

725
00:37:03,781 --> 00:37:08,911
they died, or why they died, but how
is the only question I need to ask.

726
00:37:08,921 --> 00:37:09,391
And

727
00:37:10,961 --> 00:37:12,031
He gets tested though.

728
00:37:12,501 --> 00:37:16,501
Like it's, as this movie progresses,
it's, we'll get to that part.

729
00:37:17,651 --> 00:37:18,021
But,

730
00:37:18,521 --> 00:37:25,351
So did you, did you, um, in doing some
research for this movie, uh, Emily Hirsch

731
00:37:25,531 --> 00:37:31,541
that, uh, plays Austin, the son, he
actually went and worked with coroners

732
00:37:31,651 --> 00:37:34,081
for a while to learn how to do it.

733
00:37:34,091 --> 00:37:40,711
So he was like, um, observing,
spent time with bodies, spent time

734
00:37:40,781 --> 00:37:42,901
like watching them do autopsies.

735
00:37:43,391 --> 00:37:46,021
Um, and Brian Cox was like, not me.

736
00:37:47,391 --> 00:37:47,911
I don't blame

737
00:37:47,961 --> 00:37:48,771
a better man than me.

738
00:37:48,811 --> 00:37:49,461
I can't do it.

739
00:37:49,776 --> 00:37:50,406
I cannot.

740
00:37:50,436 --> 00:37:52,386
That's too, it's too icky.

741
00:37:52,476 --> 00:37:54,246
It's too, you know, he
was too grossed out by it.

742
00:37:54,266 --> 00:37:54,646
So,

743
00:37:55,141 --> 00:37:55,231
him.

744
00:37:55,231 --> 00:37:58,181
I don't, I don't think I,
there's parts in this movie that

745
00:37:58,181 --> 00:37:59,431
I have a hard time watching.

746
00:37:59,431 --> 00:38:01,621
It's like Ooh, it makes me cringe.

747
00:38:01,631 --> 00:38:02,031
And I'm like,

748
00:38:04,271 --> 00:38:05,101
first of all, it's a movie.

749
00:38:05,481 --> 00:38:07,881
Second of all, if it was
real, it's an autopsy.

750
00:38:08,261 --> 00:38:12,251
Like it's, you got the, you have
to process all still me seeing

751
00:38:12,971 --> 00:38:14,401
them doing the big incisions.

752
00:38:14,431 --> 00:38:15,111
And what is it though?

753
00:38:15,561 --> 00:38:15,791
What is it?

754
00:38:16,306 --> 00:38:18,181
Cracking the ribs open.

755
00:38:18,481 --> 00:38:19,121
Oh man.

756
00:38:19,121 --> 00:38:19,311
The,

757
00:38:19,406 --> 00:38:23,316
hear the sound effects with the
crunch, crunch, crunch, all that.

758
00:38:23,621 --> 00:38:25,491
give me the rip saw or
whatever he calls it.

759
00:38:25,491 --> 00:38:25,751
Yeah.

760
00:38:25,751 --> 00:38:26,071
Yeah.

761
00:38:26,071 --> 00:38:30,071
It's, it's, it's excruciating to watch.

762
00:38:30,586 --> 00:38:36,676
And then when we find out later on
that, not only is it excruciating to

763
00:38:36,676 --> 00:38:41,176
watch, but it's excruciating for the
main character at the same time, even

764
00:38:41,176 --> 00:38:47,236
though she's dead, spoiler alert, sorry,
but she could feel all this happening

765
00:38:47,846 --> 00:38:48,226
Yeah.

766
00:38:48,556 --> 00:38:52,876
according to them, and I don't
want to jump too far ahead because

767
00:38:52,876 --> 00:38:58,876
there's a lot of things that are
lining up that are out of ordinary.

768
00:38:59,326 --> 00:39:02,406
You go from, if you catch these
little, these little signs and

769
00:39:02,406 --> 00:39:07,646
these little, little tidbits, such
as the very beginning of the movie.

770
00:39:08,226 --> 00:39:09,116
Beautiful weather.

771
00:39:09,716 --> 00:39:10,326
Yes.

772
00:39:10,526 --> 00:39:11,166
You hear it.

773
00:39:11,686 --> 00:39:13,506
You, you can hear it in the
background where they're talking about

774
00:39:13,516 --> 00:39:16,196
there's beautiful weather coming.

775
00:39:17,116 --> 00:39:18,496
No signs of anything, basically.

776
00:39:18,666 --> 00:39:19,296
And then guess what?

777
00:39:20,046 --> 00:39:23,356
That body shows up, all hell breaks loose.

778
00:39:23,706 --> 00:39:24,386
Mm hmm.

779
00:39:24,686 --> 00:39:25,916
You can hear the storm.

780
00:39:26,466 --> 00:39:28,536
The weather reports on
the radio are different.

781
00:39:29,116 --> 00:39:29,636
Um,

782
00:39:29,886 --> 00:39:31,666
Everything's like, this storm is worst.

783
00:39:31,666 --> 00:39:35,366
We've done, which I kept
thinking, oh, if the storm's so

784
00:39:35,366 --> 00:39:37,666
bad, then, um, his girlfriend.

785
00:39:39,056 --> 00:39:39,316
Emma?

786
00:39:39,896 --> 00:39:40,496
Was that her name?

787
00:39:40,576 --> 00:39:40,906
yeah.

788
00:39:42,006 --> 00:39:44,686
Yeah, I'm like, oh, she
probably won't come back then.

789
00:39:44,926 --> 00:39:47,336
Because he sends her away,
says, I'm sorry, another body's

790
00:39:47,336 --> 00:39:48,616
come in, I need to help my dad.

791
00:39:49,086 --> 00:39:50,726
You know, go, go without me.

792
00:39:51,106 --> 00:39:53,021
Come back, we'll go see a midnight show.

793
00:39:53,816 --> 00:39:55,236
Meet me here in a couple of hours.

794
00:39:55,846 --> 00:39:58,276
And the whole time I'm thinking,
well, she's not going to come

795
00:39:58,276 --> 00:39:59,526
back, there's a huge storm.

796
00:39:59,526 --> 00:40:00,192
Yeah.

797
00:40:00,192 --> 00:40:00,858
Yeah!

798
00:40:00,858 --> 00:40:01,336
Mm

799
00:40:01,636 --> 00:40:05,675
So when she does come
back, tragedy strikes.

800
00:40:06,866 --> 00:40:11,376
But we also find out that
that storm never happened.

801
00:40:13,886 --> 00:40:22,006
Like it's to me on your first watch,
you don't notice them talking about

802
00:40:22,006 --> 00:40:23,356
the weather so much in the background.

803
00:40:24,846 --> 00:40:25,866
And you, but when you,

804
00:40:26,586 --> 00:40:27,076
yeah,

805
00:40:27,156 --> 00:40:28,336
movie, for sure, yeah.

806
00:40:28,686 --> 00:40:32,426
catch that on, on, on a, on a
rewatch and you're like, oh my gosh.

807
00:40:32,836 --> 00:40:37,526
There's all these little signs that are
like, not that we don't know already

808
00:40:37,526 --> 00:40:42,656
that shit ain't right, like something
weird is wrong, um, but the weather

809
00:40:42,656 --> 00:40:48,836
picks up, then we find out you can't
get out of the elevator, powers, what?

810
00:40:48,871 --> 00:40:54,356
The power's out, the storm door
is trapped by the old oak tree,

811
00:40:54,526 --> 00:40:56,506
like all these things, and

812
00:40:56,916 --> 00:41:00,476
Yeah, they build that trapped
feeling, that intensity really well.

813
00:41:00,576 --> 00:41:01,476
You're just like, Oh,

814
00:41:02,236 --> 00:41:05,336
isolation, you can't get in or
out basically, is what the thought

815
00:41:05,336 --> 00:41:12,776
is, and to me, it's the thing,
it's Alien, which Stephen King,

816
00:41:14,576 --> 00:41:15,996
who doesn't like anything really.

817
00:41:16,566 --> 00:41:18,716
Stephen King will probably see
our project here if he ever

818
00:41:18,716 --> 00:41:20,526
does and be like, that's trash.

819
00:41:21,056 --> 00:41:22,656
I don't know, you know, I probably agree.

820
00:41:22,856 --> 00:41:25,806
But Stephen King, I love this project.

821
00:41:25,816 --> 00:41:30,416
Stephen King did say that this movie It
was up there with the echelons of Alien.

822
00:41:30,516 --> 00:41:33,286
And that's a huge compliment.

823
00:41:33,616 --> 00:41:34,696
I'm an Alien fan.

824
00:41:34,696 --> 00:41:36,566
I mean, I got an Alien
poster on my shoulder here.

825
00:41:37,126 --> 00:41:40,326
Alien's one of the greatest franchises
in the history of horror movies.

826
00:41:42,276 --> 00:41:43,536
Alien's the peak for me.

827
00:41:44,116 --> 00:41:44,566
Yeah.

828
00:41:44,706 --> 00:41:48,126
Think about it, that movie should be the
most terrifying movie you've ever seen.

829
00:41:49,706 --> 00:41:56,661
Space, trap, nowhere to go, and you got
The perfect organism on the other side.

830
00:41:57,451 --> 00:42:01,261
And for him to compare these
two movies together, I see it.

831
00:42:02,011 --> 00:42:04,131
She's the perfect organism
in this situation.

832
00:42:04,141 --> 00:42:05,311
There's no way to stop her.

833
00:42:05,981 --> 00:42:06,401
It's

834
00:42:07,846 --> 00:42:08,766
Terrifying.

835
00:42:09,201 --> 00:42:13,861
super terrifying that you're isolated
in this morgue, not a spaceship.

836
00:42:13,881 --> 00:42:19,471
Lots of similarities to the
alien movies and still found

837
00:42:19,471 --> 00:42:20,971
a way to do it in a new way.

838
00:42:20,971 --> 00:42:22,206
It's, it's, uh,

839
00:42:23,076 --> 00:42:25,606
Yeah, you get that feeling
when they're in the elevator.

840
00:42:25,716 --> 00:42:28,366
I mean, they've done everything
they can to run away to try to

841
00:42:28,376 --> 00:42:30,566
like find some safety, right?

842
00:42:30,606 --> 00:42:31,316
Like you do.

843
00:42:31,706 --> 00:42:33,406
And you feel that sense with them.

844
00:42:33,406 --> 00:42:36,336
Cause you're like, just get into the
elevator or just get into like, you

845
00:42:36,336 --> 00:42:37,946
just want to calm down for a second.

846
00:42:37,956 --> 00:42:39,816
You want to feel that like rest.

847
00:42:40,386 --> 00:42:45,656
They're in the elevator and Austin, the
son is like, why hasn't she killed us yet?

848
00:42:47,286 --> 00:42:49,116
She could easily just kill us right now.

849
00:42:49,116 --> 00:42:51,836
Like that's, that's how powerful she is.

850
00:42:51,846 --> 00:42:52,736
There's no way out.

851
00:42:52,866 --> 00:42:55,456
Like That perfect organism.

852
00:42:55,756 --> 00:42:58,116
It is, but you know what
that does is build tension.

853
00:42:58,126 --> 00:43:01,566
There's, this entire movie
is just like an alien movie.

854
00:43:01,906 --> 00:43:05,596
It's, you're, it's, there is no breather.

855
00:43:05,946 --> 00:43:07,186
You're tense the entire time.

856
00:43:07,486 --> 00:43:08,576
Yeah, I felt that.

857
00:43:08,876 --> 00:43:11,136
You don't know what's gonna
happen, but you know something is.

858
00:43:11,211 --> 00:43:17,581
They did a great job of building an
atmosphere, of making a viewer, bringing

859
00:43:17,581 --> 00:43:22,191
a listener, viewer in and making
them immersed into that situation.

860
00:43:23,041 --> 00:43:29,671
With Tommy and his son, you know, it
was, to me, I felt like I was there.

861
00:43:30,241 --> 00:43:31,521
I feel like I'm there all the time.

862
00:43:31,791 --> 00:43:34,581
I'll watch it in a dark room and
I'm there and I'm like, Oh my God.

863
00:43:35,446 --> 00:43:35,866
Yes.

864
00:43:35,996 --> 00:43:36,856
I felt that too.

865
00:43:36,856 --> 00:43:42,186
And I was like sitting with my notes, my
husband sitting next to me on the couch.

866
00:43:42,186 --> 00:43:43,236
We're watching it together.

867
00:43:43,586 --> 00:43:46,376
And I told him, I even
wrote it in my notes.

868
00:43:46,466 --> 00:43:48,526
I was like, I can't watch.

869
00:43:49,686 --> 00:43:53,106
And I told my husband, I'm like, you
might have to just describe to me

870
00:43:53,106 --> 00:43:58,136
what's happening so that I can still
get what I need, but not have to watch.

871
00:43:58,146 --> 00:44:00,356
Cause I was just like this on the couch.

872
00:44:00,356 --> 00:44:00,726
Like,

873
00:44:03,991 --> 00:44:06,891
That's how I was, but not, but
I want to say that it's not

874
00:44:06,891 --> 00:44:08,361
like, you know, I'm terrified.

875
00:44:08,451 --> 00:44:11,976
Yeah, I'm sure I'm terrified,
but it's not like a, I'm going

876
00:44:11,976 --> 00:44:13,646
to stop watching this thing.

877
00:44:13,866 --> 00:44:14,856
I got to see how this,

878
00:44:15,546 --> 00:44:15,706
I got to

879
00:44:16,006 --> 00:44:17,406
Oh no, I wanted to see it.

880
00:44:17,436 --> 00:44:18,526
I wanted to see everything.

881
00:44:18,586 --> 00:44:25,546
I was just like, I can't physically
look at it while I'm trying to watch it.

882
00:44:25,746 --> 00:44:28,876
It was just that kind of like,
it's the intensity was so much.

883
00:44:28,956 --> 00:44:29,796
I feel like I'm there.

884
00:44:30,246 --> 00:44:31,396
I'm in it right now.

885
00:44:31,796 --> 00:44:36,556
And they did that with the,
um, parts where lights go out.

886
00:44:37,326 --> 00:44:40,906
And there's sort of a, um, you
know, the flashlight, so you're

887
00:44:40,906 --> 00:44:46,126
not seeing everything, or the part
where they're in the smoke, walking

888
00:44:46,126 --> 00:44:50,586
through the hallway, and you can't
see anything, but there's like strobe

889
00:44:50,586 --> 00:44:52,586
lights kind of an effect going on.

890
00:44:53,106 --> 00:44:55,966
shadows of her legs every once
in a while, or somebody's legs.

891
00:44:55,966 --> 00:44:56,556
And you're like, they

892
00:44:56,856 --> 00:44:57,606
Love it.

893
00:44:58,556 --> 00:44:59,326
So good.

894
00:44:59,626 --> 00:45:01,196
highly, highly intense.

895
00:45:02,656 --> 00:45:05,366
Like I said, it's this
movie also is an experience.

896
00:45:05,436 --> 00:45:06,966
This is not just watching a movie.

897
00:45:06,966 --> 00:45:09,606
You are experiencing what
they're going through.

898
00:45:09,616 --> 00:45:11,786
You go through an entire autopsy.

899
00:45:12,826 --> 00:45:16,946
Like how often am I going
to watch an autopsy?

900
00:45:16,956 --> 00:45:17,326
Never.

901
00:45:18,066 --> 00:45:19,146
But this

902
00:45:19,176 --> 00:45:19,446
movie.

903
00:45:19,696 --> 00:45:21,506
like the organs like oh we're gonna.

904
00:45:21,541 --> 00:45:23,071
And it's cool to see the board.

905
00:45:23,131 --> 00:45:25,531
It's cool to see all the
stuff, that's how they do it.

906
00:45:26,471 --> 00:45:28,111
Then they start doing the autopsy.

907
00:45:28,141 --> 00:45:33,881
So, when they're cutting her
open, that's when, really, your,

908
00:45:33,961 --> 00:45:38,566
your, uh, the dad, uh, Brian Cox.

909
00:45:39,156 --> 00:45:40,486
What was his name in the movie?

910
00:45:40,486 --> 00:45:41,306
It was Blane.

911
00:45:41,406 --> 00:45:41,996
I mean Austin.

912
00:45:42,246 --> 00:45:48,469
So when Tyler's in there cutting
up, cutting up Jane Doe and he's

913
00:45:48,526 --> 00:45:52,216
talking about, oh I've seen this
and I've seen that and then they

914
00:45:52,216 --> 00:45:58,066
open their mouth and that's about
the first moment you're like, uh oh.

915
00:45:58,656 --> 00:45:59,516
Yeah.

916
00:45:59,816 --> 00:46:02,686
I mean before that they cut, they're
doing the color of the eyes too

917
00:46:02,686 --> 00:46:06,706
and it pops the eyes open and it's
gray and you're like, huh, like

918
00:46:07,036 --> 00:46:07,456
Yeah.

919
00:46:07,456 --> 00:46:10,446
He's like, well, usually that's what they
look like when they're dead for a while.

920
00:46:10,526 --> 00:46:13,956
Um, but what's interesting, they,
they know, even before they do

921
00:46:13,956 --> 00:46:16,036
that, they know how clean she is.

922
00:46:16,196 --> 00:46:16,586
yeah.

923
00:46:16,586 --> 00:46:16,996
Then

924
00:46:17,126 --> 00:46:19,806
And Matt said that too, because we
were both watching them wheeler in and

925
00:46:19,806 --> 00:46:21,876
we're like, wasn't she found in dirt?

926
00:46:22,476 --> 00:46:27,156
She's like clean and like on
the outside before they look

927
00:46:27,166 --> 00:46:29,296
at anything, she looks perfect.

928
00:46:30,976 --> 00:46:34,636
they start cutting her open and there is
nothing perfect on the inside of this.

929
00:46:34,726 --> 00:46:38,976
Yeah, so many things start adding up and
you're like, Oh my gosh, she's a mess.

930
00:46:40,846 --> 00:46:40,916
them.

931
00:46:40,916 --> 00:46:46,666
So they're cutting her open and all
at the same time, Tommy is basically

932
00:46:46,666 --> 00:46:48,136
saying, Oh, I've seen this before.

933
00:46:48,136 --> 00:46:49,926
And he's going back and forth to books.

934
00:46:49,936 --> 00:46:50,696
And he's like, Oh,

935
00:46:51,296 --> 00:46:51,656
Yeah.

936
00:46:51,736 --> 00:46:53,286
you start seeing that.

937
00:46:54,496 --> 00:46:54,786
Hmm.

938
00:46:54,796 --> 00:46:57,626
Maybe he's fighting with himself and
thinking there's something weird going on.

939
00:46:58,456 --> 00:46:59,556
You got the missing tongue.

940
00:46:59,576 --> 00:47:00,626
Her tongue got cut out.

941
00:47:01,046 --> 00:47:01,796
Tongue,

942
00:47:02,426 --> 00:47:03,766
Lungs, their lungs are burned up.

943
00:47:04,576 --> 00:47:04,716
The

944
00:47:04,846 --> 00:47:05,516
scars,

945
00:47:05,696 --> 00:47:06,586
on the inside.

946
00:47:06,586 --> 00:47:10,276
They figure out her ankles
are broken pretty quick.

947
00:47:10,536 --> 00:47:10,976
And he's like,

948
00:47:11,426 --> 00:47:16,256
and wrists shattered, but no outward
bruising or damage, just shattered.

949
00:47:16,526 --> 00:47:20,616
He says at first fractured and then
the son's like, No, they're shattered.

950
00:47:21,306 --> 00:47:21,756
and.

951
00:47:22,136 --> 00:47:24,466
He moves that thing around and
you're like, oh my god, that

952
00:47:24,466 --> 00:47:26,366
looks like, oh, that's rough.

953
00:47:26,516 --> 00:47:30,476
And if that's not already weird enough,
then they start cutting her open.

954
00:47:31,316 --> 00:47:35,716
And that's when we cut open the
stomach and he pulls out Jimson weed.

955
00:47:36,256 --> 00:47:36,946
Yes.

956
00:47:37,626 --> 00:47:39,196
Natura is what that is.

957
00:47:39,206 --> 00:47:40,426
It's the devil's trumpet.

958
00:47:40,436 --> 00:47:41,906
I know about this, this drug.

959
00:47:42,296 --> 00:47:46,906
I read the old, uh, There's a website
where you could read about people's trips.

960
00:47:47,436 --> 00:47:49,816
I never wanted to do it, but I loved
going and reading about people's

961
00:47:49,996 --> 00:47:51,746
Natura trips because of how awful.

962
00:47:52,186 --> 00:47:52,716
They were.

963
00:47:53,396 --> 00:47:56,116
So for her to have this in her
system, it's a paralyzing agent.

964
00:47:56,526 --> 00:47:59,366
It also gives you hallucinogenic.

965
00:48:00,816 --> 00:48:05,366
Which is why it was in the Love
Witch given to Wayne, they find

966
00:48:05,366 --> 00:48:06,776
out in the toxicology report.

967
00:48:06,796 --> 00:48:08,056
So there's a connection there.

968
00:48:08,366 --> 00:48:08,966
Exactly.

969
00:48:08,976 --> 00:48:12,966
And then you've got even further,
they cut her open and you've got the

970
00:48:12,976 --> 00:48:19,046
shroud, the cloth with the sigils
on it and Roman numerals, which

971
00:48:19,046 --> 00:48:20,676
we know what that goes to later.

972
00:48:20,676 --> 00:48:23,006
But they unwrap it and
there's a tooth in there.

973
00:48:23,046 --> 00:48:24,636
Like, it's her tooth!

974
00:48:24,686 --> 00:48:25,536
too, yeah.

975
00:48:25,836 --> 00:48:28,456
Again, using body parts for witchcraft.

976
00:48:28,486 --> 00:48:33,366
This is just another example of like, the
way that the Love Witch uses her urine and

977
00:48:33,366 --> 00:48:35,486
her menstrual blood and things like that.

978
00:48:36,366 --> 00:48:40,506
Um, animal parts, fur, teeth, bones.

979
00:48:40,706 --> 00:48:43,566
This is stuff that you see a
lot of times used in witchcraft.

980
00:48:43,966 --> 00:48:46,216
And so, yeah, it makes total
sense to me that there'd be

981
00:48:46,216 --> 00:48:47,681
a bone or a tooth in there.

982
00:48:47,981 --> 00:48:50,901
So why would they make
her eat her own tooth?

983
00:48:50,971 --> 00:48:52,071
I guess it's torture.

984
00:48:52,091 --> 00:48:52,371
This,

985
00:48:52,776 --> 00:48:53,106
Yep.

986
00:48:53,881 --> 00:48:55,141
they tortured this woman,

987
00:48:55,506 --> 00:48:55,836
Yes.

988
00:48:56,521 --> 00:49:00,611
and we find out that later, but I
don't want to get to the end yet.

989
00:49:01,221 --> 00:49:07,071
Um, leading up to that, you still got
Tommy, who is not so sure about stuff,

990
00:49:07,101 --> 00:49:10,091
and then there's a, there's a breaking
point, right about halfway in the movie,

991
00:49:10,931 --> 00:49:13,766
and what is it, the lights go out?

992
00:49:14,066 --> 00:49:14,746
Yeah.

993
00:49:15,176 --> 00:49:18,966
The storm is supposedly getting
worse, so the radio is like

994
00:49:19,146 --> 00:49:19,986
What's the radio doing?

995
00:49:20,046 --> 00:49:21,426
You got some info on that radio, I

996
00:49:21,426 --> 00:49:21,966
think, don't you?

997
00:49:22,246 --> 00:49:25,116
The radio keeps playing a
song, and when it first comes

998
00:49:25,116 --> 00:49:27,036
on, they're like That's weird.

999
00:49:27,036 --> 00:49:29,766
And they try to change the channel
because it's like this old song.

1000
00:49:30,519 --> 00:49:34,546
Um, but I had to look it up because I
was like, is this song from the movie?

1001
00:49:34,546 --> 00:49:36,026
Or is it from before the movie?

1002
00:49:36,026 --> 00:49:38,596
It's from 1954 Maguire Sisters.

1003
00:49:39,106 --> 00:49:40,806
So let the sun shine in.

1004
00:49:41,766 --> 00:49:47,486
And the lyrics are all about like,
um, don't let the devil Get to you,

1005
00:49:47,576 --> 00:49:50,956
you have to smile and be happy.

1006
00:49:50,996 --> 00:49:53,886
And that's how you can
keep the devil away.

1007
00:49:54,296 --> 00:50:00,306
And it keeps coming back to this song
like three, four times in the movie,

1008
00:50:00,336 --> 00:50:05,896
different points, like very specific
points, but yeah, it's interesting.

1009
00:50:06,196 --> 00:50:06,616
Yeah.

1010
00:50:06,616 --> 00:50:09,046
And then you hear certain
things on the radio.

1011
00:50:09,046 --> 00:50:10,966
It's like there's the
one thing that pops out.

1012
00:50:10,966 --> 00:50:14,356
It's like, you're not getting out
of here or whatever he says, and the

1013
00:50:14,356 --> 00:50:22,066
lights go out and finally Tommy's
says, let's get the fuck outta here.

1014
00:50:23,286 --> 00:50:26,676
And when he says that, it's
literally, to me, that's the moment

1015
00:50:26,676 --> 00:50:27,876
in the movie where you're like.

1016
00:50:28,566 --> 00:50:31,616
Alright, if I'm not already
scared, the fact that he just said,

1017
00:50:31,616 --> 00:50:32,816
let's get the fuck out of here.

1018
00:50:34,016 --> 00:50:37,376
And that way, after being cool, calm,
and collected all the way up until

1019
00:50:37,426 --> 00:50:39,386
now, I better be fucking terrified.

1020
00:50:39,821 --> 00:50:40,171
right.

1021
00:50:40,181 --> 00:50:41,641
Cause he's the dad, right?

1022
00:50:41,891 --> 00:50:44,681
He's the dad and he's been up
until this point and that's

1023
00:50:44,681 --> 00:50:45,721
why it's very interesting.

1024
00:50:45,741 --> 00:50:50,111
I made a note of this in this part when
they start kind of panicking a little bit.

1025
00:50:50,171 --> 00:50:54,531
They're like running out of there
the dynamic that they chose to use

1026
00:50:54,874 --> 00:50:56,801
as father and son for this movie.

1027
00:50:57,041 --> 00:51:02,071
is very fascinating to me because you
get this idea of like, even though it's

1028
00:51:02,071 --> 00:51:07,061
a grown son, grown man, the idea is
that he's still going to look to his

1029
00:51:07,081 --> 00:51:12,306
dad for like, He knows what's going on.

1030
00:51:12,316 --> 00:51:13,546
He's going to protect me.

1031
00:51:13,556 --> 00:51:16,876
He's gonna, he's, if he keeps his
cool, then I can keep my cool.

1032
00:51:16,876 --> 00:51:18,116
Cause I know it'll be okay.

1033
00:51:18,826 --> 00:51:21,746
And you probably have this dynamic
dynamic too, where the father is

1034
00:51:21,746 --> 00:51:24,276
like, I got to protect my son.

1035
00:51:24,406 --> 00:51:28,616
I got to, you know, um, I got
to keep it together for him.

1036
00:51:28,776 --> 00:51:30,106
I got to be the strong one.

1037
00:51:30,506 --> 00:51:33,366
There's this father son
thing that you can't ignore.

1038
00:51:33,376 --> 00:51:37,456
Like it's part of the whole
tenseness of this moment, right?

1039
00:51:37,756 --> 00:51:38,616
The emotion between them.

1040
00:51:38,626 --> 00:51:41,986
It's the, it's emotion that they build
between the two actors themselves.

1041
00:51:42,236 --> 00:51:44,056
And it comes across on that screen.

1042
00:51:45,001 --> 00:51:50,671
Even further when Tommy kind of
goes back to, Oh, I've seen this.

1043
00:51:50,671 --> 00:51:53,181
You know, he's still kind
of like, Oh, it's a corpse.

1044
00:51:53,981 --> 00:51:55,751
Oh, that's not possible.

1045
00:51:55,751 --> 00:52:00,421
And that's when Austin says a great,
another line that I picked up on.

1046
00:52:00,421 --> 00:52:03,961
He says, we are far past what's possible.

1047
00:52:06,551 --> 00:52:08,881
And at that point, another
point in the movie, you're

1048
00:52:08,881 --> 00:52:11,021
like, Oh, we ain't going back.

1049
00:52:11,251 --> 00:52:14,361
Like this is, this is, this
is going where it's going.

1050
00:52:14,611 --> 00:52:17,601
And even all the way up until now,
we still don't know she's a witch.

1051
00:52:18,421 --> 00:52:18,841
Yeah,

1052
00:52:19,141 --> 00:52:19,201
A

1053
00:52:19,201 --> 00:52:19,701
big spoiler.

1054
00:52:19,801 --> 00:52:20,371
going on.

1055
00:52:20,391 --> 00:52:23,951
Yeah, it's just the bodies are
missing out of the drawers.

1056
00:52:24,991 --> 00:52:27,351
Dad's like, okay, let's
get the fuck out of here.

1057
00:52:27,391 --> 00:52:29,611
Like, I admit this is crazy.

1058
00:52:29,649 --> 00:52:30,681
We have to just get out.

1059
00:52:31,391 --> 00:52:32,091
Let's just go.

1060
00:52:32,971 --> 00:52:36,411
And then they're running
through halls and yeah.

1061
00:52:37,096 --> 00:52:40,016
He gets, they get trapped
in a, I guess an office,

1062
00:52:40,591 --> 00:52:41,056
Yes.

1063
00:52:41,356 --> 00:52:42,926
he pulls the curtain back.

1064
00:52:43,616 --> 00:52:45,236
You see a glimpse of her.

1065
00:52:45,246 --> 00:52:48,026
If you really pause it, you see
a glimpse of somebody standing

1066
00:52:48,326 --> 00:52:49,601
There's like the shadow, right?

1067
00:52:49,791 --> 00:52:50,266
Yeah.

1068
00:52:50,566 --> 00:52:52,406
he's like, Oh, you're in.

1069
00:52:52,446 --> 00:52:55,766
And at the same time as a, as a viewer,
you're like, Oh, okay, we're good.

1070
00:52:55,926 --> 00:52:57,446
And then it gets fucking snatched.

1071
00:52:57,911 --> 00:52:58,361
Yeah.

1072
00:52:58,691 --> 00:52:59,271
I love

1073
00:52:59,491 --> 00:53:02,446
see the gray eyeball close up.

1074
00:53:02,446 --> 00:53:05,756
You're like this man, like,

1075
00:53:05,791 --> 00:53:05,811
Yeah.

1076
00:53:07,016 --> 00:53:13,536
while watching this movie, once again,
the isolation, you as a viewer are like.

1077
00:53:14,186 --> 00:53:15,376
I want to get the fuck out of here.

1078
00:53:15,636 --> 00:53:18,636
Like you're, you're like, you're
like, wait, I want to get it

1079
00:53:18,636 --> 00:53:20,096
out of here, but where do I go?

1080
00:53:20,156 --> 00:53:22,086
Like, you're, you're,
there is no safe spot.

1081
00:53:22,696 --> 00:53:28,546
And like Austin said, everything
that's possible is gone.

1082
00:53:28,556 --> 00:53:31,466
Like anything that was not
possible is out the window.

1083
00:53:31,476 --> 00:53:34,216
We have seen too much to
know there's something weird

1084
00:53:34,266 --> 00:53:34,466
going on.

1085
00:53:34,531 --> 00:53:39,411
of flip roles here because now the
sun is the one being like, you have to

1086
00:53:39,411 --> 00:53:45,271
accept that this is all going haywire
and we got to do something about it.

1087
00:53:45,571 --> 00:53:50,356
keeps saying, it's her,
her, that's his, that's and.

1088
00:53:51,806 --> 00:53:54,886
Finally, they, they do get that,
like it, they realize it's her,

1089
00:53:55,586 --> 00:53:59,106
they find out what's going on,
and what do they find, Courtney?

1090
00:54:00,161 --> 00:54:06,591
Well, I have to point out this is
really like, uh, um, old cinema, Alfred

1091
00:54:06,761 --> 00:54:12,731
Hitchcock kind of, um, way of doing
horror movies because it's even more

1092
00:54:12,731 --> 00:54:14,771
intense or scary when you don't see.

1093
00:54:15,286 --> 00:54:16,986
What's attacking them, right?

1094
00:54:17,559 --> 00:54:20,266
And I was told in a cinema class
once, they were talking about

1095
00:54:20,266 --> 00:54:25,521
Psycho, and they were talking
about how, um, You don't see her.

1096
00:54:25,531 --> 00:54:27,431
You don't see Mrs.

1097
00:54:27,461 --> 00:54:27,881
Bates.

1098
00:54:27,881 --> 00:54:28,901
You don't see the killer.

1099
00:54:28,911 --> 00:54:30,011
You see a shadow.

1100
00:54:30,341 --> 00:54:33,841
And that's more terrifying to the
audience than if you actually see it.

1101
00:54:34,451 --> 00:54:36,481
And I think that, that
was like a call to that.

1102
00:54:36,481 --> 00:54:39,561
Cause you, when he, when the dad gets
pulled into the shadows and you're

1103
00:54:39,561 --> 00:54:43,941
seeing him getting like banged around
and you see just that eye, you're

1104
00:54:43,941 --> 00:54:48,761
not actually seeing her or a, or
what it is, but you're, you're just

1105
00:54:48,761 --> 00:54:52,111
like, something in the dark, right?

1106
00:54:52,356 --> 00:54:54,856
I guess, really, we never
really know that it is her.

1107
00:54:55,276 --> 00:54:55,446
No!

1108
00:54:56,106 --> 00:54:56,506
If you don't,

1109
00:54:56,806 --> 00:54:58,076
Is it one of the bodies?

1110
00:54:58,856 --> 00:54:59,846
Is it all in their head?

1111
00:55:00,576 --> 00:55:02,656
is it a spirit of her?

1112
00:55:02,666 --> 00:55:05,271
Like, what, like, what, like,
yeah, is it in her head?

1113
00:55:05,386 --> 00:55:08,996
Like, what is going on in there?

1114
00:55:09,006 --> 00:55:12,336
Like, it's so many layers.

1115
00:55:12,366 --> 00:55:13,276
There's a lot of layers.

1116
00:55:13,576 --> 00:55:14,426
It's really cool.

1117
00:55:14,466 --> 00:55:18,866
I love that kind of stuff in, in movies
that it, it plays with you a lot and

1118
00:55:18,866 --> 00:55:20,816
it's not just like handing it to you.

1119
00:55:21,166 --> 00:55:23,576
It's not just like showing
you this is the killer.

1120
00:55:23,576 --> 00:55:25,426
This is watch them, stab them.

1121
00:55:25,676 --> 00:55:28,746
I, I like it when there's a lot
more mystery to it because then

1122
00:55:28,756 --> 00:55:32,266
my mind fills in the blanks and
that's probably worse than anything

1123
00:55:32,266 --> 00:55:33,446
the movie could show me anyway.

1124
00:55:34,251 --> 00:55:39,311
Now, this movie was, was, uh,
inspired by The Conjuring.

1125
00:55:39,431 --> 00:55:43,841
And I don't know if you've seen
the, uh, the, the director of

1126
00:55:43,841 --> 00:55:48,111
Norwegian director, Andre Overdahl,
hope I'm pronouncing that right.

1127
00:55:48,141 --> 00:55:51,511
If not, somebody out there from one
of these Norwegian countries, please

1128
00:55:51,511 --> 00:55:55,199
correct me and get us and get it
actually get us in touch with Andre.

1129
00:55:55,251 --> 00:55:58,381
I'd love to talk to him or
Ian Goldberg, the writer.

1130
00:55:59,581 --> 00:56:00,441
Oh, that'd be amazing.

1131
00:56:01,651 --> 00:56:04,561
He took the inspiration
from The Conjuring.

1132
00:56:04,781 --> 00:56:07,801
Now, Andre also made a troll,
the Troll Hunter movie.

1133
00:56:08,806 --> 00:56:13,226
That Trollhunter movie,
uh, me to go to Iceland.

1134
00:56:13,316 --> 00:56:14,166
So I went to Iceland.

1135
00:56:15,051 --> 00:56:15,411
Okay.

1136
00:56:15,786 --> 00:56:15,946
Thank

1137
00:56:16,171 --> 00:56:16,846
There you go.

1138
00:56:17,066 --> 00:56:18,086
you for that, Andre.

1139
00:56:18,096 --> 00:56:21,716
But, uh, he's, he's put
together some great experiences

1140
00:56:21,726 --> 00:56:23,286
and this is an experience.

1141
00:56:23,776 --> 00:56:28,086
The film itself, even filming it
would have been an experience.

1142
00:56:28,086 --> 00:56:29,876
They filmed it in chronological order.

1143
00:56:30,396 --> 00:56:31,066
Oh, yeah.

1144
00:56:31,606 --> 00:56:35,976
to me, you see that it's, it's,
it's evident when you watch it back

1145
00:56:35,976 --> 00:56:37,616
that it was in chronological order.

1146
00:56:37,916 --> 00:56:38,386
Yeah.

1147
00:56:38,836 --> 00:56:40,256
Everything is.

1148
00:56:41,501 --> 00:56:45,211
Basically growing as
the movie goes, the, the

1149
00:56:45,211 --> 00:56:52,431
tension, The emotions between
the characters, the terror,

1150
00:56:53,666 --> 00:56:54,146
Yeah.

1151
00:56:54,381 --> 00:56:56,461
torture, she got tortured.

1152
00:56:56,461 --> 00:57:00,971
And that's what we find out ends
up being, uh, when they, when they

1153
00:57:00,971 --> 00:57:04,991
get to the Roman numerals and they
figured this part out and they're

1154
00:57:04,991 --> 00:57:06,961
looking at the Bible verses and

1155
00:57:07,006 --> 00:57:10,946
find out that the shroud that the
tooth was wrapped in, it says 19

1156
00:57:10,986 --> 00:57:13,756
6, or I mean, sorry, 1693 on it.

1157
00:57:14,616 --> 00:57:19,046
And the, the peat, um, that they
found under her nails, they're

1158
00:57:19,046 --> 00:57:22,136
like writing on the board, this is,
this is all coming from up north.

1159
00:57:22,176 --> 00:57:23,456
We don't have peat here.

1160
00:57:23,926 --> 00:57:28,176
So, um, so they kind of pinpoint
that it's New England and

1161
00:57:28,176 --> 00:57:29,826
they're like, well, she's from.

1162
00:57:30,611 --> 00:57:33,351
You know, 15th century
New England or something.

1163
00:57:33,451 --> 00:57:37,291
Oh, 17th century New England,
and they're like, wait a minute.

1164
00:57:39,891 --> 00:57:40,021
and

1165
00:57:40,671 --> 00:57:41,911
What's up with that?

1166
00:57:42,691 --> 00:57:44,881
even me, I'm like, Hey,
my high school math.

1167
00:57:46,461 --> 00:57:48,151
The numbers don't seem to add up here.

1168
00:57:48,151 --> 00:57:49,521
Like there's a couple
hundred years missing.

1169
00:57:49,631 --> 00:57:50,761
Like there's something going on.

1170
00:57:51,591 --> 00:57:52,011
So yeah,

1171
00:57:52,361 --> 00:57:57,091
And what do we know about the 17th
century New England time period?

1172
00:57:57,441 --> 00:58:02,389
There were a lot of people accused
and killed for being witches and even

1173
00:58:02,751 --> 00:58:04,821
Tommy says, but they were innocent.

1174
00:58:06,966 --> 00:58:14,456
So, she's an innocent, and this is
where I love the turn that they take

1175
00:58:14,456 --> 00:58:18,426
when they're figuring out where she
came from, what happened to her, she

1176
00:58:18,466 --> 00:58:24,466
was tortured, and she had witchcraft
used against her, which supposedly was

1177
00:58:24,476 --> 00:58:28,136
probably, and this is actually what
happens a lot in history, is witchcraft

1178
00:58:28,136 --> 00:58:34,276
is used to protect against witchcraft,
and so what Ended up happening is the

1179
00:58:34,276 --> 00:58:35,886
people who tortured her in this way.

1180
00:58:36,056 --> 00:58:38,356
They ended up creating what they feared.

1181
00:58:38,916 --> 00:58:41,286
She wasn't a witch, but now she is.

1182
00:58:41,921 --> 00:58:46,541
well, with that amount of
torture, you have to, you have

1183
00:58:46,541 --> 00:58:48,091
to turn into a vengeful spirit.

1184
00:58:48,101 --> 00:58:48,771
That's what she is.

1185
00:58:49,126 --> 00:58:49,366
Oh,

1186
00:58:49,751 --> 00:58:51,281
We've been to the vengeful witch.

1187
00:58:51,811 --> 00:58:52,331
And

1188
00:58:52,476 --> 00:58:56,606
this is the half hanged Mary story
all over again from my episode of

1189
00:58:56,606 --> 00:58:59,426
Practically Magic, where we talk
about burning and witch trials.

1190
00:59:01,421 --> 00:59:09,561
also not only do you see, uh, him
talk about they were all innocent

1191
00:59:09,621 --> 00:59:13,781
and you know, they're, they're almost
painting the opposite picture of what

1192
00:59:13,901 --> 00:59:16,511
Arthur Miller's, The Crucible does.

1193
00:59:17,566 --> 00:59:19,996
In that, in that book, you know,
they say on which trials are,

1194
00:59:20,016 --> 00:59:21,646
it's a little bit different story.

1195
00:59:21,996 --> 00:59:27,856
So in Autopsy of Jane Doe, it's like
a spin on that to say, ah, they might

1196
00:59:27,856 --> 00:59:32,256
have been innocent, but they're not
now because you made them this way.

1197
00:59:33,866 --> 00:59:34,846
I love that take.

1198
00:59:35,576 --> 00:59:38,376
I don't know if there's historical
reference or whatever in that kind

1199
00:59:38,376 --> 00:59:42,176
of take that and people torturing
a person so much make them a witch.

1200
00:59:42,486 --> 00:59:44,896
Courtney, how long were you tortured
before you turned into a witch?

1201
00:59:45,901 --> 00:59:47,071
Well, how about this?

1202
00:59:47,691 --> 00:59:53,861
If you consider the witch wound,
which is that so many were accused of

1203
00:59:53,861 --> 00:59:56,381
witchcraft just living their lives.

1204
00:59:57,656 --> 01:00:02,536
gaining any type of power whatsoever
over their own body, over their

1205
01:00:02,536 --> 01:00:06,196
livelihood, over a way to make money,
over a way to support yourself,

1206
01:00:06,246 --> 01:00:11,276
over a way to, uh, choose, um, when
and how you want to have a baby.

1207
01:00:11,496 --> 01:00:17,876
All of that stuff is generations
upon generations upon generations of

1208
01:00:17,886 --> 01:00:22,806
women needing to find their place in
society and how they can find power.

1209
01:00:23,650 --> 01:00:25,616
So, I mean, when you consider it that way.

1210
01:00:27,266 --> 01:00:29,776
Whether you want to call it witchcraft
or whether you want to call it

1211
01:00:29,796 --> 01:00:38,496
empowerment, uh, If you're a body
who's alive but not alive, you're

1212
01:00:38,496 --> 01:00:41,276
not able to move and be alive.

1213
01:00:41,336 --> 01:00:46,786
You've been tortured into this state
and had witchcraft forced upon you,

1214
01:00:47,046 --> 01:00:51,279
shoved into your mouth and into your
body with the shroud and the tooth

1215
01:00:51,336 --> 01:00:53,406
and the, and the string in her mouth.

1216
01:00:53,546 --> 01:00:57,646
And I mean, clearly this
ritualistic torturing took place.

1217
01:00:58,386 --> 01:00:59,846
And it's not just the torture itself.

1218
01:00:59,981 --> 01:01:03,651
I mean, the pain that she probably
experienced in being tortured was part

1219
01:01:03,651 --> 01:01:08,401
of it, but the pain or the torture
represents all of that oppression

1220
01:01:08,401 --> 01:01:13,201
that women have had to endure for
centuries upon centuries upon centuries,

1221
01:01:13,251 --> 01:01:17,301
even when they weren't a witch, even
when they weren't practicing what we

1222
01:01:17,301 --> 01:01:18,761
would traditionally call witchcraft.

1223
01:01:19,581 --> 01:01:21,118
So here's the revenge.

1224
01:01:22,446 --> 01:01:26,536
So, I mean, this is where, I hate to
say it, but I'm listening, I'm watching

1225
01:01:26,546 --> 01:01:29,626
this movie, and I'm like, I hope nothing
happens to Tommy and Austin, they're

1226
01:01:29,636 --> 01:01:33,886
innocent, I'm, I'm, I'm all, I'm all
like, I hope they get out of this alive,

1227
01:01:34,666 --> 01:01:38,466
but when I find out what this poor woman
has gone through, when I find out what

1228
01:01:38,476 --> 01:01:45,626
she's had to do to gain any sort of power,
that what she does with that power is she

1229
01:01:46,306 --> 01:01:48,526
exacts revenge on anyone and everyone.

1230
01:01:49,261 --> 01:01:53,311
It just happens to hit these two
guys who were just doing their job.

1231
01:01:54,256 --> 01:01:57,816
You get caught in a crossfire
and you can't be mad at her.

1232
01:01:58,146 --> 01:01:59,406
Like, you can't, you can't.

1233
01:02:00,061 --> 01:02:00,671
Sorry.

1234
01:02:00,896 --> 01:02:01,736
I'm totally with you.

1235
01:02:01,736 --> 01:02:02,616
And I thought the same thing.

1236
01:02:02,616 --> 01:02:04,526
I was like, Oh, please, Tommy
Austin, get out of there.

1237
01:02:05,216 --> 01:02:06,436
Tommy even gives in.

1238
01:02:06,866 --> 01:02:07,866
He leans down to her.

1239
01:02:09,441 --> 01:02:12,681
He's like, basically, I don't
want to, I don't want to hurt you.

1240
01:02:13,451 --> 01:02:18,371
And then, from what I gather,
she transfers her spirit off into

1241
01:02:18,371 --> 01:02:19,781
his or something, into his body.

1242
01:02:20,241 --> 01:02:21,511
His eyes turn gray.

1243
01:02:21,521 --> 01:02:23,281
He's getting all the wounds.

1244
01:02:23,901 --> 01:02:25,511
He starts snapping his bones.

1245
01:02:25,521 --> 01:02:25,771
Like,

1246
01:02:26,071 --> 01:02:27,441
experiences the torture.

1247
01:02:27,741 --> 01:02:29,681
yeah, so he's going through it now.

1248
01:02:30,171 --> 01:02:31,711
Was that her passing it off to him?

1249
01:02:31,721 --> 01:02:32,591
Is that what that was?

1250
01:02:33,041 --> 01:02:34,601
You know, I'd like to think so.

1251
01:02:34,631 --> 01:02:36,891
I mean, it would be
kind of cool to see it.

1252
01:02:37,081 --> 01:02:44,921
Uh, he sacrifices himself to take on
all of her transgression or whatever,

1253
01:02:45,281 --> 01:02:47,011
you know, that would look like.

1254
01:02:47,301 --> 01:02:56,286
Um, and he ends his life for her
and she gets pieced back together.

1255
01:02:56,596 --> 01:02:57,886
She's whole again.

1256
01:02:58,326 --> 01:03:02,246
And I don't know, she gets up and
walks off to live her life maybe?

1257
01:03:02,596 --> 01:03:06,966
Or, uh, I don't know what happens
to her, but she's whole again.

1258
01:03:06,976 --> 01:03:09,366
She's able to heal from this.

1259
01:03:10,266 --> 01:03:11,536
That's not the ending we get.

1260
01:03:13,796 --> 01:03:16,946
It's like, it's kind of like,
it just starts over, right?

1261
01:03:17,166 --> 01:03:21,306
She just gets put back
together for the next person.

1262
01:03:22,771 --> 01:03:26,071
So that's open for interpretation.

1263
01:03:26,071 --> 01:03:27,451
Does she continue

1264
01:03:30,841 --> 01:03:32,826
revenging, going on her vengeful tour?

1265
01:03:33,126 --> 01:03:35,626
Yeah, how many people need to die?

1266
01:03:35,626 --> 01:03:37,096
My,

1267
01:03:37,396 --> 01:03:41,031
does she continue and
then also Tommy continue?

1268
01:03:41,101 --> 01:03:43,401
Are there two spirits split now?

1269
01:03:43,401 --> 01:03:44,891
Like are there two vengeful spirits?

1270
01:03:44,901 --> 01:03:49,531
I don't know, but yeah, I love
that it's open to interpretation.

1271
01:03:49,531 --> 01:03:51,151
We don't get handed the answers.

1272
01:03:53,631 --> 01:03:54,221
Final thoughts.

1273
01:03:54,231 --> 01:03:56,681
You got any final thoughts on this
movie before we wrap this one up?

1274
01:03:57,956 --> 01:04:05,674
my, my rants about oppressed women and
witchcraft and the correlation, I think

1275
01:04:05,796 --> 01:04:08,674
kind of, kind of sums that up really well.

1276
01:04:08,826 --> 01:04:16,161
Um, but I I did have to
look up the Leviticus, um,

1277
01:04:16,991 --> 01:04:17,441
The Bible

1278
01:04:17,741 --> 01:04:19,741
Bible verse that they found in the shroud.

1279
01:04:19,781 --> 01:04:21,771
So that's how they find out what she is.

1280
01:04:21,781 --> 01:04:25,461
They find the, the, that it's a
scripture that is on the shroud

1281
01:04:25,861 --> 01:04:27,141
in the Roman numeral numbers.

1282
01:04:27,511 --> 01:04:30,971
Tell me about that because I
know out there are a million

1283
01:04:31,041 --> 01:04:33,301
different variations of the Bible.

1284
01:04:33,301 --> 01:04:34,651
So which one were they using?

1285
01:04:34,651 --> 01:04:35,561
What's that really say?

1286
01:04:36,071 --> 01:04:41,261
When you're Googling it, it
doesn't say exactly what they read.

1287
01:04:41,761 --> 01:04:46,171
At least from the versions that I
could find, um, I, it seems like they

1288
01:04:46,171 --> 01:04:51,361
kind of pulled from a lot of different
Leviticus like verses and kind of

1289
01:04:51,361 --> 01:04:53,311
put that together as like witchcraft.

1290
01:04:53,901 --> 01:04:59,641
Um, but all of these different
interpretations of like Leviticus 1926.

1291
01:05:00,171 --> 01:05:03,071
Um, the one that's in the
movie is Leviticus 2027.

1292
01:05:03,731 --> 01:05:10,791
Um, it says stuff like mediums, fortune
tellers, um, people who practice

1293
01:05:10,811 --> 01:05:16,691
divination, and then in some versions,
They sum that up with witchcraft and, uh,

1294
01:05:16,691 --> 01:05:21,621
you know, they should be put to death by
stoning is kind of the, the general idea

1295
01:05:21,693 --> 01:05:23,461
of these scriptures, which is interesting.

1296
01:05:23,481 --> 01:05:25,631
And I mean, Leviticus
is hard on everybody.

1297
01:05:26,071 --> 01:05:28,231
I don't know if there's anybody
that can get away with anything and

1298
01:05:28,231 --> 01:05:29,731
live at Leviticus without being a.

1299
01:05:30,151 --> 01:05:30,911
Stone to death.

1300
01:05:30,911 --> 01:05:36,571
So, um, I don't know, you know, how much
you want to take credit in that, but like

1301
01:05:36,571 --> 01:05:40,201
we follow the Bible word for word really
because I don't think anybody can do that.

1302
01:05:40,811 --> 01:05:46,031
Um, but yeah, that's interesting because
it's like fortune tellers mediums,

1303
01:05:46,311 --> 01:05:49,101
they kind of just lump it all into one
when they talk about witchcraft and

1304
01:05:49,101 --> 01:05:50,721
they're like, anybody who does that

1305
01:05:51,291 --> 01:05:51,911
That's interesting.

1306
01:05:51,941 --> 01:05:55,501
And I also, I want to point out
too, in one of my final thoughts

1307
01:05:55,511 --> 01:06:00,811
is that when this Leviticus, Bible
verse comes up and we're looking at

1308
01:06:00,811 --> 01:06:03,241
the pages and we finally see witch.

1309
01:06:03,661 --> 01:06:04,621
You see the word witch.

1310
01:06:04,911 --> 01:06:09,711
That's the first time in this movie
that it, the word witch has been

1311
01:06:09,721 --> 01:06:14,931
mentioned that we even, it's, it's
your validity finally at this point,

1312
01:06:14,931 --> 01:06:19,401
because sure, all these other things
you're like, huh, that seems kind of

1313
01:06:19,801 --> 01:06:20,311
Yeah.

1314
01:06:20,741 --> 01:06:22,561
like, that's, hmm, did they burn her?

1315
01:06:22,721 --> 01:06:24,971
Who, what kind of people did they burn?

1316
01:06:25,271 --> 01:06:25,761
Witches?

1317
01:06:25,941 --> 01:06:29,281
Like you, you start adding it up, but
it's not until this part, when they look

1318
01:06:29,281 --> 01:06:31,491
at Leviticus, which is probably what?

1319
01:06:31,926 --> 01:06:33,416
Maybe 20 minutes left in the movie.

1320
01:06:33,416 --> 01:06:39,766
And that's when I finally say,
which, and I think that's a, another

1321
01:06:39,856 --> 01:06:42,806
key moment in the movie, uh, that,

1322
01:06:44,856 --> 01:06:52,386
yeah, it erases all your doubt, if you had
any by this point, uh, it's yeah, really.

1323
01:06:53,306 --> 01:06:55,606
And it, it just puts it into context.

1324
01:06:55,746 --> 01:06:58,656
And then finally you're like, oh, yeah.

1325
01:06:59,026 --> 01:07:04,736
I saw that coming, but in other
movies where you see stuff

1326
01:07:04,736 --> 01:07:05,676
coming, you're prepared for it.

1327
01:07:05,686 --> 01:07:06,766
You're still not prepared for it.

1328
01:07:07,221 --> 01:07:07,751
Mm hmm.

1329
01:07:07,836 --> 01:07:09,036
You see it coming, but now what?

1330
01:07:09,086 --> 01:07:10,176
You don't have anywhere to go.

1331
01:07:10,806 --> 01:07:16,566
You're stuck with this, the rest of this,
and when you find that kind of stuff out

1332
01:07:16,586 --> 01:07:18,076
in other movies, that's about the end.

1333
01:07:18,136 --> 01:07:18,996
It's like over.

1334
01:07:19,006 --> 01:07:19,456
You're done.

1335
01:07:19,466 --> 01:07:20,266
You're like, okay, cool.

1336
01:07:20,346 --> 01:07:20,816
Move on.

1337
01:07:21,356 --> 01:07:22,046
Roll the credits.

1338
01:07:22,056 --> 01:07:22,456
Not here.

1339
01:07:23,051 --> 01:07:23,336
And,

1340
01:07:23,351 --> 01:07:26,131
Yeah, it's like now what,
now that we know this.

1341
01:07:26,131 --> 01:07:26,251
Yeah.

1342
01:07:27,496 --> 01:07:28,516
What do we do about it?

1343
01:07:28,566 --> 01:07:31,396
They tried to destroy her body
just by burning her right then

1344
01:07:31,396 --> 01:07:33,436
and there and it didn't work.

1345
01:07:33,526 --> 01:07:34,096
I mean,

1346
01:07:34,336 --> 01:07:35,136
almost broke the building.

1347
01:07:36,596 --> 01:07:38,676
They almost broke the building
there, like they almost broke down

1348
01:07:38,676 --> 01:07:40,376
the whole thing, like it was wild.

1349
01:07:40,906 --> 01:07:41,136
And,

1350
01:07:41,436 --> 01:07:42,246
Such a good movie.

1351
01:07:42,546 --> 01:07:45,756
my voice is lo I ain't losing
my voice even more now, I think

1352
01:07:46,196 --> 01:07:47,296
Jane Doe's taking in my voice.

1353
01:07:47,716 --> 01:07:48,646
I think that's what's happening.

1354
01:07:50,421 --> 01:07:51,316
Something's going on, but.

1355
01:07:52,046 --> 01:07:53,396
These two movies are incredible.

1356
01:07:53,796 --> 01:08:00,476
Uh, I'm going to give one more plug
to another movie that I, I've seen and

1357
01:08:00,476 --> 01:08:06,666
ran across that if you like Jane Doe,
The Autopsy of Jane Doe, you got to

1358
01:08:06,666 --> 01:08:08,286
check out this movie called Sushi Girl.

1359
01:08:09,356 --> 01:08:09,866
Oh.

1360
01:08:10,006 --> 01:08:16,416
Girl is 2012, it's about a little
over a decade old, but there's a girl

1361
01:08:16,416 --> 01:08:20,956
named Courtney Palm who plays the
Sushi Girl and she does exactly what

1362
01:08:23,726 --> 01:08:24,076
What's her name?

1363
01:08:24,116 --> 01:08:27,866
Owen does in, in, uh, Jane Doe.

1364
01:08:27,916 --> 01:08:31,366
And she lays there the entire movie
while the bear takes place around her.

1365
01:08:31,846 --> 01:08:35,806
And it's not witchy or anything like
that, but I think it's, it's very

1366
01:08:35,856 --> 01:08:39,286
cool because if you know anything
about the sushi girls who lay there

1367
01:08:39,286 --> 01:08:42,541
and it's the ones who are naked and
they let them eat sushi off of them.

1368
01:08:42,841 --> 01:08:43,281
Right.

1369
01:08:43,281 --> 01:08:43,841
Yeah.

1370
01:08:44,031 --> 01:08:45,291
What's going on in the room with them.

1371
01:08:45,291 --> 01:08:47,841
They are trained to not
move and not do anything.

1372
01:08:49,161 --> 01:08:52,801
What's going on around her in this movie,
in Sushi Girl, is this big gangster

1373
01:08:52,921 --> 01:08:58,031
meeting, and they're talking about all
these crimes and it's, check that one out.

1374
01:08:58,031 --> 01:08:58,951
If you enjoyed,

1375
01:08:59,251 --> 01:08:59,941
fascinating.

1376
01:08:59,961 --> 01:09:00,911
That's good.

1377
01:09:01,271 --> 01:09:04,111
Well, I, since you mentioned that

1378
01:09:06,291 --> 01:09:12,131
that brought this movie brought to
my, um, connections a couple of years

1379
01:09:12,131 --> 01:09:16,891
ago, I was in a book club and we each
get to take turns picking a book and

1380
01:09:16,891 --> 01:09:19,311
we were, um, on the nonfiction genre.

1381
01:09:19,341 --> 01:09:22,061
So it was like, we got to pick
something that's nonfiction

1382
01:09:22,541 --> 01:09:24,211
and I picked the book Stiff.

1383
01:09:24,496 --> 01:09:25,516
By Mary Roach.

1384
01:09:26,356 --> 01:09:27,536
It's called Stiff!

1385
01:09:27,586 --> 01:09:34,631
The Curious Life of Human Cadavers
and It was absolutely fascinating.

1386
01:09:34,651 --> 01:09:36,611
Now, cadavers kind of creep me out.

1387
01:09:36,641 --> 01:09:40,341
I think about like, what it would be
like to actually see one or work on one

1388
01:09:40,351 --> 01:09:44,586
or, um, my sister went through nursing
school and things like that and they had

1389
01:09:44,671 --> 01:09:47,311
to go and study cadavers for a semester.

1390
01:09:47,761 --> 01:09:48,941
I was like, I don't know how you do it.

1391
01:09:48,961 --> 01:09:49,396
That's so cool.

1392
01:09:49,536 --> 01:09:51,366
That's so disturbing to me.

1393
01:09:51,826 --> 01:09:54,906
But this book goes through all
the different things that can

1394
01:09:54,906 --> 01:09:57,076
happen to a cadaver after you die.

1395
01:09:57,126 --> 01:10:01,976
When you donate it to science, when
you donate it to forensic studies, when

1396
01:10:01,976 --> 01:10:07,336
you, um, when you're cremated, when
you're, um, you know, all the different

1397
01:10:07,356 --> 01:10:08,754
options, all the different things.

1398
01:10:09,976 --> 01:10:14,816
It's Really well written, and um, there
were some people in my book club that

1399
01:10:14,816 --> 01:10:18,266
were like not, not, not, not reading that.

1400
01:10:18,276 --> 01:10:20,636
Nope, too, too gross for me or whatever.

1401
01:10:20,636 --> 01:10:23,656
But I was like, it's fascinating!

1402
01:10:23,838 --> 01:10:27,956
So, plug for that book in connection
to The Autopsy of Jane Doe.

1403
01:10:27,986 --> 01:10:30,576
It would be a fascinating read
after watching this movie.

1404
01:10:30,576 --> 01:10:30,850
How

1405
01:10:33,606 --> 01:10:34,776
got to catch our breath, Courtney.

1406
01:10:35,606 --> 01:10:39,576
Yeah, two excellent
movies and a lot of death.

1407
01:10:40,376 --> 01:10:41,466
A lot of death.

1408
01:10:41,496 --> 01:10:48,616
You even thought that the Autopsy of
Jane Doe was an A24 movie because yeah,

1409
01:10:48,716 --> 01:10:52,016
A24 movies we've been watching
for The Witch Movie Project and

1410
01:10:52,016 --> 01:10:57,076
I'm like, well when everybody
dies It's probably A24, right?

1411
01:10:58,076 --> 01:10:58,366
that's like,

1412
01:10:58,456 --> 01:10:58,866
time.

1413
01:10:59,226 --> 01:10:59,706
no hat.

1414
01:10:59,736 --> 01:11:03,096
I mean, they, they, they had the most
joyful romps out there, you know,

1415
01:11:03,096 --> 01:11:05,506
like happy endings and all, you know?

1416
01:11:05,506 --> 01:11:06,931
Yeah.

1417
01:11:06,976 --> 01:11:11,146
of them are, um, even this one,
all of them are very psychological.

1418
01:11:11,326 --> 01:11:15,916
There's a lot more depth to this
kind of horror than you typically

1419
01:11:15,926 --> 01:11:18,666
find with Halloween or Friday
the 13th or something like that.

1420
01:11:18,731 --> 01:11:27,551
Yeah, honestly, honestly, uh, it is a
really true testament and, and a, uh,

1421
01:11:27,921 --> 01:11:35,311
high remark for you to think that Autopsy
was an A24 movie because to get, I

1422
01:11:35,311 --> 01:11:38,531
wouldn't be upset if I made a movie and
somebody was like, Oh, that's A24 movie.

1423
01:11:38,531 --> 01:11:39,691
And it wasn't

1424
01:11:39,786 --> 01:11:40,226
Yeah.

1425
01:11:40,341 --> 01:11:44,391
because really it, it, it, they
set this atmosphere and it did have

1426
01:11:44,401 --> 01:11:49,841
that atmosphere and Richard Nang and
Ian Goldberg, the writers mandate.

1427
01:11:50,636 --> 01:11:51,166
Incredible.

1428
01:11:51,266 --> 01:11:51,966
Like, incredible.

1429
01:11:51,966 --> 01:11:59,196
I don't want to go, we already talked,
we picked it apart, but I hope, this

1430
01:11:59,206 --> 01:12:03,076
is just me, I don't want to, I don't
want to sway any voters, but I,

1431
01:12:03,226 --> 01:12:04,036
according to Blane.

1432
01:12:04,386 --> 01:12:09,646
yes, I hope that this is the
movie we air October 26th.

1433
01:12:10,086 --> 01:12:16,046
at Novel Daybreak by Crescent Communities
presents the Witch Movie Project live

1434
01:12:16,046 --> 01:12:18,516
podcast taping and movie screening.

1435
01:12:18,526 --> 01:12:19,286
I hope it's all top.

1436
01:12:19,326 --> 01:12:20,416
we want to see you there.

1437
01:12:20,446 --> 01:12:22,046
Come watch a movie with us, right?

1438
01:12:22,576 --> 01:12:23,776
Yeah, this would be the fun one.

1439
01:12:23,806 --> 01:12:27,156
This would be the one that I think
would be an incredible experience.

1440
01:12:27,166 --> 01:12:28,686
If you haven't seen it, don't watch it.

1441
01:12:29,246 --> 01:12:31,096
Come out, see it with us.

1442
01:12:32,846 --> 01:12:34,726
I'm already planning for
this to be the movie.

1443
01:12:35,296 --> 01:12:35,906
I can't wait.

1444
01:12:35,906 --> 01:12:37,496
Yeah,

1445
01:12:37,566 --> 01:12:41,806
what Carla does with the uh, decorations
and with our, um, setting things up.

1446
01:12:41,826 --> 01:12:46,876
Lift Cake Parties is coming to decorate
and get the event all set up for us.

1447
01:12:47,436 --> 01:12:48,726
it's gonna be an incredible time.

1448
01:12:48,726 --> 01:12:51,906
Like, don't forget the costume contest.

1449
01:12:53,356 --> 01:12:55,986
With prizes donated by Land of
a Thousand Hills Coffee Shop.

1450
01:12:56,656 --> 01:12:57,686
Man, that's gonna be wild too.

1451
01:12:57,716 --> 01:13:02,556
Like, we're gonna have a meet and greet
at Land of a Thousand Hills at what, 5?

1452
01:13:02,596 --> 01:13:02,736
15?

1453
01:13:02,786 --> 01:13:05,846
because people got to get their
drinks, they uh, they serve some beer

1454
01:13:05,846 --> 01:13:10,086
and ciders there, they've got some
drinks that are called Witch Aid, and

1455
01:13:10,926 --> 01:13:11,386
16?

1456
01:13:11,476 --> 01:13:12,286
great stuff over there.

1457
01:13:12,286 --> 01:13:15,806
So people can get their drinks,
have, have their drinks before

1458
01:13:15,846 --> 01:13:17,946
they head over to the event, right?

1459
01:13:18,316 --> 01:13:18,676
Yep.

1460
01:13:19,376 --> 01:13:20,846
Let's get on out of here.

1461
01:13:20,866 --> 01:13:22,146
We'll see everybody here next week.

1462
01:13:22,166 --> 01:13:25,276
Let's go ahead and give a
shout out to our sponsors.

1463
01:13:25,576 --> 01:13:27,386
Novel Daybreak by Crescent Communities.

1464
01:13:27,866 --> 01:13:28,776
Prism Healing.

1465
01:13:28,786 --> 01:13:29,816
That's you, Courtney Pearl.

1466
01:13:29,906 --> 01:13:30,166
That's me!

1467
01:13:30,586 --> 01:13:31,486
Cake parties.

1468
01:13:32,221 --> 01:13:34,761
Pure Sweat and Float
Studio of South Jordan.

1469
01:13:34,761 --> 01:13:37,831
Thank you so much Stacey Millhorn
and Ride the Wave Media right here.

1470
01:13:38,021 --> 01:13:39,061
We'll see you guys next week.