The Witch Movie Project Ep 2 - 'Suspiria' (1977) vs. 'Suspiria' (2018)

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I'm still not used to that spooky violin
and that witch laughing and all that.

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Courtney, we're back though.

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The Witch Movie Project, Episode 2.

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Yep.

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Awesome.

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Are you excited for this one?

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Oh yeah.

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These were new movies
to me, so I am thrilled.

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And I was pumped to toss
you these two movies.

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I can't wait to get into it, but before
we do, we got to talk about the big

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event October 26th presented by Novel
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Live podcast taping and movie screening.

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That's what we're building to, Courtney.

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Are you ready for that?

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Yeah, you can vote for
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So we're reviewing two different movies.

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Um, this week they happen to
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But not quite.

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And you get to shoot us your
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But, I am super, super excited,
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Let's go to this episode.

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let's get to these two movies, Courtney.

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Now,

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Yeah.

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where do you

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start on these, these movies?

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Other than, you know, I've got the
red on, you've got the green going.

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We

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Got green light.

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I love it.

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Like, we got the colors on deck.

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We're talking about Suspiria.

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1977

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Talk about horror movies.

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This is

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Now this these two right here.

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Where do we start?

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Because first of all the 1977
movie by Dario Argento was

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a

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masterpiece.

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First of all, I will say, but it was very,

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it

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was violent.

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So people did not really take to it.

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It even sent Dario

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It sent

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him on a deep, dark path,
almost to lead to suicide.

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Like that's how bad this movie

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took a toll on, the people around him.

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It's what were your initial
thoughts on the first Suspiria?

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Well, I do remember at one

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point, and this was later in the movie

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when I was watching, we were
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the end, but my dad
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through the

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living room while we're watching.

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And I said to him,

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dad, Were all the movies

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from the 70s just like super weird?

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and he just goes,

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and then he just walked out of the room.

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I was like, I am all caught up
in this whole like otherworldly,

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uh, you know, kind of trippy,

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colorful,

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Alice in Wonderland sort of vibe, right?

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Yes, so that color scheme
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Now, Dario Argento actually filmed
Suspiria to look like an acid trip.

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That's why you see the wavy stuff.

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He uses a uh, some uh, Technicolor, a
modded technicolor, basically, that for

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your, uh, for your, your, your people out
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Basically, it made it look Distorted.

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It made things off.

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that paired with

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a

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Grammy Award performance from the Goblins.

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That's the soundtrack
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A band called the Goblins.

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Now that's, it's got this eerie, ethereal,
whatever kind of sound you want to say.

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But it's unsettling.

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There's

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whispers in there that
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weird stuff going on.

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actually filmed that score for this
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they had the score for the movie.

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And what they did, what Dario did,
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they would blast that goblins score
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So it was unsettling at all times.

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What'd you think about that music,

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I kept asking Matt,

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uh, my husband, cause he's a percussionist
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I was like, what is that sound?

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Is it like a didgeridoo or
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and these African drumming?

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yeah, it's unsettling

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because you don't know what it is.

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It's almost like, it's not music,
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I looked up the Greek instrument,
um, a bouzouki, bouzouki, bouzouki?

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I'm not sure how you say

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that was in the, you know, some of
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It's like a kind of obscure.

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You don't hear it very often.

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Instrument.

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Now That's great knowledge right there.

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Now that's so you're saying that's
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the bazooka.

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Greek instrument.

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may have, did they invent that themselves?

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I, I,

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I, you would think, I've
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It really is that unsettling.

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Like, it's really, it's almost
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have that wah sound to it
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the theremin, you know the theremin,
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thunder sounds and
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that in right now.

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We'll weave some of that in underneath.

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let's get to the beginning of
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start with the 1977 version.

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Susie

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Banyon.

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that's your lead character
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played by Jessica
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makes a cameo in the newer one.

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does, She does.

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I love that cameo also.

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And it's very, It's
it's, it's a great one to

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to, to

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to catch.

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We'll get to that one.

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But Susie arrives in Germany.

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is stormy.

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So the the atmosphere,
the mood's already set.

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It's like, okay, this is, this
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She gets in the taxi cab.

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she gets to the academy though,

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She's,

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it's it's already
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'cause a girl comes running out.

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That's Pat.

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we find out later, It's Pat.

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from the, from the get, it's, and
this is less than 10 minutes in,

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we're already kind of Looking around,
we're thinking, Oh, what's going on?

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Then the murder,

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And there's like

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some foreshadowing.

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They kind of stay.

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Um, I noticed they like to
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They stop on a frame and show
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it and show it several times.

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It was kind of a, you know, an
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It's like.

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It makes you question, like, why are we
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Like, why are we looking at this thing
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anything and was kind of foreshadowing
what was going to happen to Pat?

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that, what's your, what's your describing
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There's a, this is a genre of movie
called giallo, style, it's Italian.

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I believe Dario Argento was one of
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uh, Lucio Fulci, they all do this.

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giallo style, which giallo is Italian
for yellow, that's what it means.

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So yellow is, yeah, so it was,
that was a pulp novel series from

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Giallo Mondadori in the 1920s.

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And that's what all these

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quick

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shots in these real close, you
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these crazy shots That's what it

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is.

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And it was used to kind of distort and
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also included elements of
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psychological horror movies.

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Which, this falls into
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But they

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made this.

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popular

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The 2018 film

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has some of this in there.

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It has the some of the giallo Style
treatment, is the shots, the closeups,

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the, you know, the the, the quick shots.

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But then there's also these
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There's also these long drawn out shots.

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that are Unsettling in their own
because you're like I'm used to these

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choppy chop chop chops And then all
of a sudden why am I on this one

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shot down the hallway for 30 seconds?

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The

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or this like little detail for an extra
long amount of time and we weren't

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sure if that was like

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just because of the, the era that
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We kept joking about it because
we're like, oh, we're going

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to look at this for a while.

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You know, one thing for 20
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that

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We were having fun while
we were watching it.

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Now,

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let's

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talk about the murder scene.

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Right from the beginning.

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That's, this is when, this is when, uh,
Pat and her friend, they, get brutally,

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brutally murdered.

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And I do mean brutal.

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That was done on purpose to disturb.

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And it did.

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Back in the 70s, when this thing was
released in 77, that was the most

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disturbing murder scene, and to this
day, maybe one of the most disturbing

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murder scenes in a movie ever.

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He,

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it was

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pretty shocking even for
like the time period.

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I'm like, Oh, I don't know
older movies very well, but.

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Wondering how far they were
going to take it, how far

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they were going to

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you know, show blood and bodies and
cutting throats and all the things.

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But I did take note that in
the bathroom before she's

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murdered, she's in the bathroom.

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The artwork on the wall
is Sky and Water by M.

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C.

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Escher.

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Which is a, it's like
a, uh, optical illusion.

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It

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looks like fish

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coming, uh, you know, a bunch of
fish and then they turn into geese.

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So it's like flight and water.

260
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It's a famous, um, piece of
art, but it's supposed to be

261
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kind of an optical illusion.

262
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And there was a lot of like
art deco style, 1920s style,

263
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um, in this movie particularly.

264
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So

265
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sucks you in.

266
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It really sucks

267
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not, yeah.

268
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the,

269
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kind of

270
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the nothing is quite what you
think it's going to be vibe is

271
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what that's

272
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telling me.

273
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I don't know if that was on purpose,
but I think everything's on purpose.

274
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So

275
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was.

276
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it definitely is on purpose.

277
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And and then also you can actually see
Dario himself in the mirror reflection

278
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as the hands that is, that is, that
is killing the, the victim here.

279
00:11:33,298 --> 00:11:34,398
That's on purpose too.

280
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He mentioned later on.

281
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Is it really?

282
00:11:37,938 --> 00:11:38,668
Well, maybe.

283
00:11:39,168 --> 00:11:39,938
I think it was.

284
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I think it was because

285
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it was almost like he put his
signature in an iconic scene

286
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and he knew what he was doing.

287
00:11:47,968 --> 00:11:49,425
I don't think he did anything by accident.

288
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So I fully believe that.

289
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We get to

290
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Susie's first day at the academy.

291
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It's

292
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It's already weird.

293
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Like it's, it's, she meets Madame
Blanc and she meets Miss Tanner

294
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and there's just strange stuff.

295
00:12:08,283 --> 00:12:09,013
and, then

296
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what,

297
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Somebody fainted during the rehearsal?

298
00:12:15,093 --> 00:12:16,583
Erie, you can

299
00:12:16,883 --> 00:12:21,123
Yeah, a lot of things are happening
to Susie, like she's getting nauseous

300
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and she's kind of feeling warped.

301
00:12:22,933 --> 00:12:27,843
She's walking down halls and it
like almost funhouse kind of vibes.

302
00:12:27,843 --> 00:12:31,383
Like she's, um, you know, not
walking straight and kind of

303
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bumping into walls and doesn't feel

304
00:12:32,933 --> 00:12:33,383
well.

305
00:12:34,183 --> 00:12:34,513
Yeah.

306
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I wrote down, um,

307
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because

308
00:12:37,213 --> 00:12:41,563
it was at the beginning and it was
the ballerina school or dance school.

309
00:12:41,723 --> 00:12:43,703
I wrote down, um, black swan vibes,

310
00:12:44,233 --> 00:12:44,653
Yes.

311
00:12:44,733 --> 00:12:45,123
like.

312
00:12:45,638 --> 00:12:48,278
You know, the movie
Natalie Portman, it's like

313
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kind of trippy or like things are odd and
you can't quite put your finger on why.

314
00:12:55,878 --> 00:12:58,628
And it has something to do
with the art of dance, right?

315
00:12:59,143 --> 00:12:59,823
Yes.

316
00:13:00,123 --> 00:13:00,563
Yes.

317
00:13:00,563 --> 00:13:02,483
No, that's a very good, that's
a good take right there.

318
00:13:02,483 --> 00:13:04,123
And I did get Black Swan vibes.

319
00:13:04,538 --> 00:13:05,208
That's a great movie.

320
00:13:05,208 --> 00:13:05,338
too.

321
00:13:05,338 --> 00:13:07,768
I mean, that's Oscar
winner there, I believe.

322
00:13:08,458 --> 00:13:10,398
So, we're only 30 minutes

323
00:13:10,398 --> 00:13:12,018
deep into the movie though, and

324
00:13:13,148 --> 00:13:13,688
it's,

325
00:13:14,878 --> 00:13:17,888
It's a, wei it's, it's a weird
watch up until this point.

326
00:13:17,898 --> 00:13:20,258
It's a weird watch and
you're trying to get your,

327
00:13:21,028 --> 00:13:21,488
Honestly, as a, as

328
00:13:21,488 --> 00:13:24,078
a viewer, as a viewer, you're
trying to get your footing.

329
00:13:24,078 --> 00:13:25,358
Like, you're trying to find out

330
00:13:26,368 --> 00:13:26,618
what,

331
00:13:26,648 --> 00:13:28,098
what the fuck am I looking at?

332
00:13:28,148 --> 00:13:29,968
Like, honestly, like, that's what it is.

333
00:13:30,398 --> 00:13:31,048
And, and

334
00:13:31,048 --> 00:13:31,248
then,

335
00:13:31,398 --> 00:13:35,838
it really takes you like your Susie
coming from a regular average world.

336
00:13:35,968 --> 00:13:36,108
She

337
00:13:36,108 --> 00:13:37,138
comes from the airport.

338
00:13:37,158 --> 00:13:38,218
She's in a taxi cab,

339
00:13:38,628 --> 00:13:39,078
But like,

340
00:13:39,218 --> 00:13:42,338
when she gets to the dance studio,
everything's bright colors.

341
00:13:42,848 --> 00:13:44,538
Um, like that art deco.

342
00:13:44,963 --> 00:13:48,013
But it almost feels like
everything's also a stage.

343
00:13:48,513 --> 00:13:49,443
Did you get that too?

344
00:13:49,443 --> 00:13:52,513
Like, it was on purpose made
to look like it was a set.

345
00:13:53,073 --> 00:13:54,793
Like, it wasn't real stairs.

346
00:13:54,793 --> 00:13:57,373
Wasn't real buildings.

347
00:13:57,383 --> 00:14:02,433
It was just almost felt like it
was, um, Even Pat, when she sees

348
00:14:02,453 --> 00:14:03,563
Pat running through the woods,

349
00:14:03,833 --> 00:14:05,013
it's like a strobe light.

350
00:14:06,023 --> 00:14:07,163
That was really cool.

351
00:14:07,223 --> 00:14:08,913
I liked that effect

352
00:14:08,923 --> 00:14:09,473
that they did.

353
00:14:10,468 --> 00:14:10,778
that's in

354
00:14:10,778 --> 00:14:11,778
both movies, I believe, right?

355
00:14:11,778 --> 00:14:17,505
That kind of, uh, that glow, that
almost, uh, I call it the, it was

356
00:14:17,563 --> 00:14:20,393
a, uh, the Donnie Darko, when he
had the thing coming out, it's the

357
00:14:20,505 --> 00:14:22,933
Donnie Darko Globe, but it was, uh,

358
00:14:23,078 --> 00:14:23,288
Oh,

359
00:14:23,443 --> 00:14:27,713
more of a psychedelic version
of the Donnie Darko, uh,

360
00:14:29,243 --> 00:14:31,323
theme of whatever came out
of his chest, you know?

361
00:14:31,323 --> 00:14:35,233
So, so, so Susie

362
00:14:35,383 --> 00:14:37,343
moves into Olga's apartment.

363
00:14:38,623 --> 00:14:38,833
And

364
00:14:38,833 --> 00:14:42,323
then, this is when a, this is when
weird stuff starts happening too.

365
00:14:42,623 --> 00:14:43,953
She's counting the steps.

366
00:14:44,553 --> 00:14:44,913
she's

367
00:14:44,913 --> 00:14:46,783
figuring out, wait a minute,
that doesn't go there.

368
00:14:46,783 --> 00:14:50,863
That doesn't, you know, something's weird
going on, but we still don't know what.

369
00:14:52,808 --> 00:14:53,548
Yeah.

370
00:14:53,578 --> 00:14:57,083
Well, um, there was something that

371
00:14:57,378 --> 00:14:58,178
happened

372
00:14:59,578 --> 00:15:00,908
before she goes,

373
00:15:03,038 --> 00:15:03,188
Oh,

374
00:15:03,188 --> 00:15:04,768
I'm trying to remember what it was.

375
00:15:06,448 --> 00:15:11,258
Um, Oh, the, the conversation between
the dancers when she's borrowing shoes

376
00:15:11,928 --> 00:15:13,808
and there was this little conversation.

377
00:15:14,258 --> 00:15:17,578
So when I found out later
that this was written.

378
00:15:17,968 --> 00:15:20,008
Um, about a boarding school.

379
00:15:20,018 --> 00:15:22,458
Like the original, the story
that it was taken from was a

380
00:15:22,478 --> 00:15:23,938
boarding school with young girls.

381
00:15:24,798 --> 00:15:29,758
And, um, later when I found that
out, I was like, Oh, now I get why

382
00:15:29,788 --> 00:15:31,198
the script was written that way.

383
00:15:31,198 --> 00:15:35,078
Because there was this moment where
these, um, dancers were teasing each

384
00:15:35,078 --> 00:15:40,668
other and she's like, Oh, your name
is S like a snake, you're Susie and

385
00:15:40,668 --> 00:15:43,638
you're Sarah, and you're like a snake.

386
00:15:43,688 --> 00:15:45,768
And then the girls are
hissing at each other.

387
00:15:46,378 --> 00:15:48,243
And it's Really weird.

388
00:15:49,613 --> 00:15:50,393
Like, we're all

389
00:15:50,443 --> 00:15:52,243
kind of watching this, like, what?

390
00:15:52,703 --> 00:15:53,463
This is weird.

391
00:15:53,493 --> 00:15:56,113
And Susie's watching
it, like, this is weird.

392
00:15:56,593 --> 00:16:00,423
And, and it turns out that that was
supposed to be like little girls.

393
00:16:00,723 --> 00:16:03,183
Like, that's why it seems so juvenile.

394
00:16:03,183 --> 00:16:07,143
It was little girls talking instead of
like grown women, you know, the dancers.

395
00:16:07,843 --> 00:16:10,283
But I thought it was really important
because I was like, there's already

396
00:16:10,283 --> 00:16:13,533
this weird vibe going on where
you're like, why are grown women

397
00:16:13,533 --> 00:16:14,663
talking to each other this way?

398
00:16:15,743 --> 00:16:16,253
No.

399
00:16:16,663 --> 00:16:18,493
but you're definitely
on to something there.

400
00:16:18,513 --> 00:16:19,803
because it's absolutely true.

401
00:16:19,803 --> 00:16:24,183
Salvatore, Argento, that's Dario's father.

402
00:16:25,783 --> 00:16:29,843
He's the one that axed down and said,
nope, you cannot use young girls

403
00:16:30,263 --> 00:16:31,833
because it was written for young girls.

404
00:16:32,743 --> 00:16:34,493
So they had a cast hire.

405
00:16:34,503 --> 00:16:36,433
They couldn't, do this with young girls.

406
00:16:36,463 --> 00:16:37,173
because of how violent.

407
00:16:37,173 --> 00:16:37,323
it was.

408
00:16:37,503 --> 00:16:38,573
Could you imagine this movie?

409
00:16:38,573 --> 00:16:38,588
Probably.

410
00:16:39,198 --> 00:16:39,638
I know.

411
00:16:39,638 --> 00:16:43,138
like, 12 year old girls in
there instead of dancing.

412
00:16:43,188 --> 00:16:43,888
Like, that'd have been,

413
00:16:44,228 --> 00:16:44,908
Oh my God.

414
00:16:44,908 --> 00:16:46,528
Like, they'd have had to
put these guys in jail.

415
00:16:46,528 --> 00:16:49,958
Salvatore and, and um, Dario
would have had to go in jail.

416
00:16:50,848 --> 00:16:55,048
The Argento family, you got Salvatore,
you got Dario, you got Mike Argento

417
00:16:55,048 --> 00:16:56,778
out in Toluca Lake doing his thing.

418
00:16:57,658 --> 00:17:00,408
That's, that's a plug for my, for a
buddy of mine I used to work with.

419
00:17:00,448 --> 00:17:01,648
His last name was Argento.

420
00:17:02,198 --> 00:17:03,008
Is Argento.

421
00:17:03,008 --> 00:17:03,548
He's still around.

422
00:17:04,628 --> 00:17:06,198
Now, back

423
00:17:06,198 --> 00:17:07,528
to, back to this though.

424
00:17:08,658 --> 00:17:09,018
They

425
00:17:09,028 --> 00:17:14,578
did have to cast older, but
Dario did not rewrite the script.

426
00:17:15,058 --> 00:17:17,198
So that's why the dialogue is

427
00:17:17,198 --> 00:17:18,058
childish.

428
00:17:19,298 --> 00:17:22,448
It even goes a little bit further
because if you, if you really pay

429
00:17:22,448 --> 00:17:26,488
attention, the doorknobs on all
the doors, they're, they're at a

430
00:17:26,488 --> 00:17:28,538
height that they have to reach up.

431
00:17:28,908 --> 00:17:34,958
So it's almost, it gives these girls this
childlike features when they're of age.

432
00:17:34,968 --> 00:17:36,708
So it's this it's a weird.

433
00:17:37,118 --> 00:17:42,113
It's a weird line that they, they kind of
walked there, uh, but yeah, Yeah, that's,

434
00:17:42,123 --> 00:17:46,593
that's a great, great, great, great find.

435
00:17:46,823 --> 00:17:47,403
Look at you, Courtney.

436
00:17:47,503 --> 00:17:48,403
Look at you find it.

437
00:17:49,608 --> 00:17:50,128
Well, I did

438
00:17:50,178 --> 00:17:51,888
think the conversation was already odd.

439
00:17:51,888 --> 00:17:57,178
And so later I was like, Oh, when you
think about it as little girls saying

440
00:17:57,178 --> 00:17:58,518
this to each other, that makes sense.

441
00:17:58,618 --> 00:17:59,408
But grown women

442
00:17:59,418 --> 00:17:59,868
being like,

443
00:17:59,898 --> 00:18:01,088
you're a snake.

444
00:18:01,138 --> 00:18:02,208
Your name starts with S.

445
00:18:02,698 --> 00:18:04,588
I'm like, okay.

446
00:18:04,668 --> 00:18:05,738
Um, I guess

447
00:18:07,153 --> 00:18:07,733
that's mean.

448
00:18:08,158 --> 00:18:09,168
weird, but all right.

449
00:18:11,483 --> 00:18:12,103
So what's next?

450
00:18:13,113 --> 00:18:14,853
You got, uh, oh, oh my god.

451
00:18:14,863 --> 00:18:17,843
Now, now you got the, you got
a disgusting scene in here too.

452
00:18:19,013 --> 00:18:20,793
The maggots falling from the ceiling.

453
00:18:21,193 --> 00:18:21,773
Like, that's,

454
00:18:23,628 --> 00:18:26,288
that's enough right there to
send me running from the theater.

455
00:18:26,408 --> 00:18:27,388
That's enough right there.

456
00:18:28,013 --> 00:18:28,423
yeah.

457
00:18:28,553 --> 00:18:31,313
I think this, this, this was disgusting.

458
00:18:31,533 --> 00:18:36,938
This was, this was, you know, not
something that you want to see.

459
00:18:37,008 --> 00:18:39,938
Yeah, and it was honestly, it was
people, it was, uh, some of the

460
00:18:39,938 --> 00:18:45,828
cast, um, the crew sprinkling rice
down on, onto the girls, uh, acting.

461
00:18:45,828 --> 00:18:47,088
But still, it just

462
00:18:48,148 --> 00:18:48,558
it makes your

463
00:18:48,688 --> 00:18:52,908
they do close up shots and when you
find the food in the attic that's gone

464
00:18:52,908 --> 00:18:55,008
bad and it's just covered in maggots.

465
00:18:55,588 --> 00:18:59,768
It's a really, you know, graphic
scene like it's, um, it may not be

466
00:18:59,768 --> 00:19:04,228
blood and gore yet, but it was like
enough to make me cringe and like,

467
00:19:05,618 --> 00:19:09,698
have to check myself to make sure
I didn't have bugs crawling on me.

468
00:19:10,358 --> 00:19:10,688
oh,

469
00:19:10,698 --> 00:19:11,048
yeah.

470
00:19:11,048 --> 00:19:13,918
Now, now, now let's talk about

471
00:19:15,978 --> 00:19:16,178
the

472
00:19:16,178 --> 00:19:18,008
men that we see.

473
00:19:19,508 --> 00:19:22,098
Now you have You have Daniel.

474
00:19:22,688 --> 00:19:24,698
We haven't even talked about
these, these, these characters yet.

475
00:19:24,708 --> 00:19:25,573
You got Daniel, Daniel.

476
00:19:26,063 --> 00:19:26,583
Mm hmm.

477
00:19:27,193 --> 00:19:27,513
He's the

478
00:19:27,523 --> 00:19:28,853
what, the, blind piano player?

479
00:19:29,633 --> 00:19:30,023
Yep.

480
00:19:30,393 --> 00:19:32,923
Um, and then you have, what's
the other guy's name there?

481
00:19:32,923 --> 00:19:34,313
The, the, the butler

482
00:19:35,093 --> 00:19:35,693
guy, I guess.

483
00:19:35,693 --> 00:19:37,193
Uh,

484
00:19:37,503 --> 00:19:38,643
Yeah.

485
00:19:39,853 --> 00:19:46,633
he was, honestly, I know he, was
a local person that Dario found

486
00:19:47,643 --> 00:19:48,123
and

487
00:19:48,733 --> 00:19:49,243
loved him.

488
00:19:49,943 --> 00:19:50,783
So he put him in a movie.

489
00:19:51,463 --> 00:19:54,353
And so that was, that was the
other, the other guy that was, uh.

490
00:19:55,293 --> 00:19:55,843
Yeah.

491
00:19:56,213 --> 00:19:57,913
The, I guess a butler?

492
00:19:57,913 --> 00:19:59,113
I don't know what he was, but.

493
00:19:59,273 --> 00:19:59,523
Yeah.

494
00:19:59,593 --> 00:20:07,500
He's kind of got Igor going on like
the, the kind of, I don't know, um,

495
00:20:07,613 --> 00:20:12,083
assistant who's just a little creepy
and a little bit, you know, not,

496
00:20:12,753 --> 00:20:13,893
not very talkative

497
00:20:14,208 --> 00:20:14,888
No, not at all.

498
00:20:14,943 --> 00:20:15,053
of,

499
00:20:16,478 --> 00:20:18,218
I don't think he says, I
don't think he says anything.

500
00:20:18,218 --> 00:20:20,488
So, but, but, uh, but Daniel though.

501
00:20:21,973 --> 00:20:22,233
yeah.

502
00:20:22,743 --> 00:20:23,053
Yeah.

503
00:20:23,053 --> 00:20:26,823
He has his German shepherd, which I
laughed and I wrote down in my notes.

504
00:20:26,823 --> 00:20:28,433
I'm like, so this is in Germany.

505
00:20:28,433 --> 00:20:29,993
We have to have a German shepherd.

506
00:20:30,633 --> 00:20:34,013
And that caused me to look up what is
the most common dog breed in Germany.

507
00:20:34,498 --> 00:20:35,948
And it's actually Chihuahua.

508
00:20:36,218 --> 00:20:39,088
So little fun fact for you about Germany.

509
00:20:39,958 --> 00:20:40,038
I

510
00:20:40,198 --> 00:20:40,758
love that.

511
00:20:40,758 --> 00:20:41,078
Now we

512
00:20:41,078 --> 00:20:42,468
need, yeah, so, so,

513
00:20:44,168 --> 00:20:44,298
in

514
00:20:44,298 --> 00:20:45,108
Germany, huh?

515
00:20:45,458 --> 00:20:49,638
Yeah, not German shepherds, but I
thought, isn't that a little cliche?

516
00:20:49,638 --> 00:20:53,928
Like we have this, uh, you
know, this guy has a, uh, seeing

517
00:20:53,928 --> 00:20:55,708
eye dog, but it's a German

518
00:20:55,708 --> 00:20:56,168
Shepherd.

519
00:20:58,488 --> 00:21:00,668
It, it becomes important though.

520
00:21:01,108 --> 00:21:01,548
It's all right.

521
00:21:01,628 --> 00:21:05,838
yeah, he's walking this dog, uh,
uh, this is after he gets cast

522
00:21:05,838 --> 00:21:07,878
out of the dance studio now.

523
00:21:07,888 --> 00:21:08,638
Let's go to that part.

524
00:21:09,398 --> 00:21:14,678
Uh, because they cast him, or
actually, yeah, what did he, he

525
00:21:14,678 --> 00:21:16,318
gets mad and then he, and he leaves.

526
00:21:16,318 --> 00:21:16,378
I don't know.

527
00:21:16,748 --> 00:21:17,678
How did this even go down?

528
00:21:17,678 --> 00:21:20,848
Because I don't even remember
this because of what happens

529
00:21:20,848 --> 00:21:21,508
next.

530
00:21:22,848 --> 00:21:23,328
Yeah.

531
00:21:23,368 --> 00:21:25,478
Well, was there something
between, I think I

532
00:21:25,798 --> 00:21:26,218
missed it.

533
00:21:26,238 --> 00:21:28,828
I think I must've like stepped out
of the room or something for a second

534
00:21:28,888 --> 00:21:32,948
because, uh, Matt, my husband was
watching it with me and he said the dog

535
00:21:32,958 --> 00:21:37,078
did something to the boy, the little
boy and that's, they got mad at him

536
00:21:37,078 --> 00:21:38,678
and they kicked him out or something.

537
00:21:39,458 --> 00:21:39,768
See, I

538
00:21:39,768 --> 00:21:39,948
don't

539
00:21:39,988 --> 00:21:41,568
to watch it a third time to find out.

540
00:21:42,048 --> 00:21:42,368
right?

541
00:21:42,728 --> 00:21:45,058
Now I can't remember what
happened right there either, but

542
00:21:46,808 --> 00:21:48,068
when he's walking his dog

543
00:21:50,148 --> 00:21:50,338
at

544
00:21:50,338 --> 00:21:51,958
night, it's

545
00:21:51,958 --> 00:21:54,508
just, you know, something's
about to happen.

546
00:21:56,208 --> 00:21:56,488
Yeah.

547
00:21:56,488 --> 00:22:00,938
And they keep doing that closeup
of the building, like those shots

548
00:22:00,938 --> 00:22:02,758
that feel like what's going on.

549
00:22:02,768 --> 00:22:06,648
They are showing these, these buildings
around him and the statues in the

550
00:22:06,648 --> 00:22:08,353
buildings, like for a long time.

551
00:22:08,633 --> 00:22:09,163
Like,

552
00:22:09,483 --> 00:22:11,803
not quick shots, but like, long

553
00:22:12,243 --> 00:22:12,573
shots.

554
00:22:13,848 --> 00:22:14,598
You're just waiting.

555
00:22:14,688 --> 00:22:17,428
You're waiting and the
anticipation is growing and

556
00:22:18,563 --> 00:22:19,243
It's,

557
00:22:21,153 --> 00:22:22,233
you know where he is?

558
00:22:22,283 --> 00:22:25,308
He's in Konigsplatz, which is in Germany.

559
00:22:25,433 --> 00:22:31,773
Now, that is a historical place
because that's where Hitler

560
00:22:32,913 --> 00:22:33,143
and the

561
00:22:33,143 --> 00:22:33,443
Nazis

562
00:22:33,623 --> 00:22:34,553
Ah, okay.

563
00:22:34,653 --> 00:22:36,493
Hitler had some of his most hate.

564
00:22:37,203 --> 00:22:39,173
Most, most, most.

565
00:22:39,923 --> 00:22:40,853
hate, hated

566
00:22:40,853 --> 00:22:42,053
words coming out of his mouth.

567
00:22:42,083 --> 00:22:42,763
Most hatred

568
00:22:43,793 --> 00:22:44,043
is

569
00:22:44,073 --> 00:22:45,593
in that very spot.

570
00:22:45,603 --> 00:22:47,623
So sure, there's there's some

571
00:22:47,623 --> 00:22:49,343
uh, there's

572
00:22:49,343 --> 00:22:54,328
some there's some undertones here from
for, for uh, from Dario and whatever

573
00:22:54,388 --> 00:22:57,638
about fascism and all that, but this

574
00:22:57,683 --> 00:22:57,993
Yeah,

575
00:22:58,053 --> 00:23:01,783
it's real subtle though,
not like the, the newer

576
00:23:02,623 --> 00:23:02,633
2018

577
00:23:02,793 --> 00:23:08,933
one, which really directly included
historical things like the Holocaust and

578
00:23:09,423 --> 00:23:13,553
the Berlin Wall and the war and things
going like, they brought it right into

579
00:23:13,553 --> 00:23:18,643
the movie, very like, in your face,
but I think it was like a subtle nod.

580
00:23:18,873 --> 00:23:22,053
It wasn't like a main part of the
movie, but they, you know, They

581
00:23:22,053 --> 00:23:26,623
must have like, we want to put that
in and have that be recognizable.

582
00:23:26,683 --> 00:23:27,053
Right.

583
00:23:27,598 --> 00:23:30,838
oh absolutely and it was
like, that's It's menacing.

584
00:23:30,838 --> 00:23:33,578
And at that time it was even
more fresh in people's minds.

585
00:23:33,648 --> 00:23:38,498
So when you saw that, like, you
knew you're like, Oh, that's, yeah.

586
00:23:38,498 --> 00:23:43,528
that's some, some, evil some, some,
evil shit went on right there.

587
00:23:43,528 --> 00:23:44,098
You know, some

588
00:23:45,253 --> 00:23:45,553
Yeah.

589
00:23:46,068 --> 00:23:46,688
words

590
00:23:46,988 --> 00:23:52,558
spewed full of hate came from there,
you know, like it was not A And yeah,

591
00:23:52,558 --> 00:23:54,398
Daniel meets his demise right here.

592
00:23:54,398 --> 00:23:55,228
He's, he's done.

593
00:23:55,278 --> 00:23:55,728
He gets,

594
00:23:57,528 --> 00:23:57,708
gets

595
00:23:57,708 --> 00:23:58,128
done in.

596
00:23:59,213 --> 00:23:59,563
Yeah.

597
00:24:01,333 --> 00:24:02,253
Really, really nice

598
00:24:02,253 --> 00:24:03,053
and graphic too.

599
00:24:03,073 --> 00:24:05,763
They don't show the body,
but when they show the dog

600
00:24:05,793 --> 00:24:07,673
eating, it's pretty, I'm like,

601
00:24:08,433 --> 00:24:11,883
like your imagination fill in the
blanks, you know, what's going on there.

602
00:24:11,933 --> 00:24:11,973
You're

603
00:24:12,063 --> 00:24:12,223
like,

604
00:24:13,118 --> 00:24:14,258
just brutal, brutal.

605
00:24:14,268 --> 00:24:15,148
Once again.

606
00:24:16,173 --> 00:24:16,758
And,

607
00:24:16,793 --> 00:24:19,093
good thing they didn't have a
chihuahua because they needed the

608
00:24:19,093 --> 00:24:20,243
German shepherd for the scene.

609
00:24:20,323 --> 00:24:20,693
right?

610
00:24:21,068 --> 00:24:21,958
could you imagine a koala

611
00:24:22,078 --> 00:24:23,028
Eating Daniel instead.

612
00:24:23,028 --> 00:24:23,808
That'd have been, that'd have been.

613
00:24:24,378 --> 00:24:24,998
it'd have been a long

614
00:24:25,098 --> 00:24:25,253
scene.

615
00:24:25,618 --> 00:24:26,553
It'd have been a longer scene.

616
00:24:26,638 --> 00:24:27,468
That'd have been yeah.

617
00:24:29,208 --> 00:24:29,728
So,

618
00:24:31,578 --> 00:24:31,798
we're

619
00:24:31,798 --> 00:24:35,088
starting to, uh, uh, at the
studio, at the dance studio.

620
00:24:35,108 --> 00:24:36,488
We're, Susie,

621
00:24:36,498 --> 00:24:38,948
Sarah, they're starting to
investigate all the secrets.

622
00:24:38,948 --> 00:24:40,258
They're starting to figure out stuff.

623
00:24:40,258 --> 00:24:40,278
Okay.

624
00:24:42,108 --> 00:24:42,588
Sarah.

625
00:24:43,268 --> 00:24:44,348
Sarah meets her demise.

626
00:24:44,358 --> 00:24:45,108
Like, it's,

627
00:24:45,368 --> 00:24:47,880
there's a lot, there's a high,
you know, there's a high body

628
00:24:47,928 --> 00:24:49,398
count for a a movie here.

629
00:24:49,858 --> 00:24:50,388
Uh.

630
00:24:50,908 --> 00:24:54,428
Not sure how many, but there's
quite a few that, that drop.

631
00:24:55,898 --> 00:24:56,148
on

632
00:24:56,223 --> 00:24:57,343
Yeah, I mean, definitely

633
00:24:57,343 --> 00:25:01,393
would be noticeable when you're thinking
about like, okay, Pat runs from this

634
00:25:01,393 --> 00:25:05,163
dance studio, she's dead, and they're
pretty open about it, they're like,

635
00:25:05,163 --> 00:25:10,573
yep, Pat died, the authorities are
involved, super sad, and then they're

636
00:25:10,573 --> 00:25:15,353
like, oh, and that guy, the blind guy,
you know, uh, the piano player, he died.

637
00:25:15,823 --> 00:25:16,593
Super sad.

638
00:25:16,743 --> 00:25:19,163
Like, they know what's going
on, so they're telling that.

639
00:25:19,163 --> 00:25:21,903
And like, you would think if you
were one of the students, a new

640
00:25:21,903 --> 00:25:24,943
student, you'd be like, uh, that's
kind of a lot of people died.

641
00:25:26,068 --> 00:25:26,488
Right?

642
00:25:27,088 --> 00:25:27,418
Like,

643
00:25:28,328 --> 00:25:28,598
it's a

644
00:25:28,598 --> 00:25:30,318
pretty good sign that, um,

645
00:25:31,018 --> 00:25:31,338
yeah,

646
00:25:31,338 --> 00:25:34,228
we, we should probably
steer clear of this place.

647
00:25:34,768 --> 00:25:35,098
that

648
00:25:35,733 --> 00:25:36,383
Sum things up.

649
00:25:37,698 --> 00:25:38,498
It could happen to me.

650
00:25:39,278 --> 00:25:40,298
Like, that's, That would be my thought.

651
00:25:40,298 --> 00:25:43,648
It's like, hey, uh, yeah, why are
people disappearing around here?

652
00:25:45,583 --> 00:25:46,193
Yeah.

653
00:25:46,313 --> 00:25:51,153
And the, uh, Sarah's death was very
interesting because they said that

654
00:25:51,153 --> 00:25:55,963
that was the one, um, in, in the
facts about the movie that she was

655
00:25:55,963 --> 00:25:57,583
actually hurt doing that scene.

656
00:25:57,653 --> 00:26:01,183
They only did it in one take,
but I don't think anyone realized

657
00:26:01,183 --> 00:26:03,583
how hard it would be on her.

658
00:26:04,098 --> 00:26:07,988
Or how much it would hurt to, uh,
jump into a room full of wires.

659
00:26:08,468 --> 00:26:08,688
yeah,

660
00:26:08,688 --> 00:26:09,008
right?

661
00:26:09,933 --> 00:26:12,043
Sounds like a great idea to me, but no.

662
00:26:13,158 --> 00:26:16,308
Yeah, they took the barb out of
it, so it wasn't barbed wire.

663
00:26:16,703 --> 00:26:17,703
She still got poked though.

664
00:26:18,443 --> 00:26:18,533
She

665
00:26:18,533 --> 00:26:18,983
was still getting

666
00:26:18,983 --> 00:26:20,313
poked by something.

667
00:26:20,323 --> 00:26:22,313
So yeah, that's a,
that's a, that's a great

668
00:26:23,403 --> 00:26:27,423
take away from that because she went
through the pain for our pleasure.

669
00:26:27,483 --> 00:26:28,863
You know, like that's what it was.

670
00:26:30,778 --> 00:26:35,608
Our favorite part of that scene,
uh, was the, um, picking the lock.

671
00:26:36,143 --> 00:26:36,253
Oh

672
00:26:36,468 --> 00:26:36,988
Um,

673
00:26:37,298 --> 00:26:37,538
She's

674
00:26:37,538 --> 00:26:40,588
waiting in the room, and she's trapped,
and she doesn't know what to do,

675
00:26:40,588 --> 00:26:43,958
and she's she sees the window, she's
gonna climb, like, up some boxes.

676
00:26:44,378 --> 00:26:46,158
But this whole scene takes a while.

677
00:26:46,198 --> 00:26:51,458
Like, she's in this room, and it
keeps cutting to the the lock, and

678
00:26:51,458 --> 00:26:54,408
it's just one of those locks that
all you'd have to do is push it up.

679
00:26:54,968 --> 00:27:00,578
And the person picking the lock is, has
like a knife and is trying to pick the

680
00:27:00,578 --> 00:27:03,908
lock and it's just like, oh, not quite.

681
00:27:04,428 --> 00:27:05,198
Oh, oh, oops.

682
00:27:05,445 --> 00:27:06,768
I, oh, not quite.

683
00:27:06,858 --> 00:27:09,208
Oh, and I wrote down what Matt said.

684
00:27:09,208 --> 00:27:11,918
He's like, uh, this limp
dick trying to pick the lock

685
00:27:11,918 --> 00:27:12,228
here.

686
00:27:13,973 --> 00:27:15,813
That's, that's exactly,

687
00:27:16,113 --> 00:27:17,823
that's the description
you can have right there.

688
00:27:17,823 --> 00:27:19,543
That's absolutely it.

689
00:27:19,563 --> 00:27:19,623
So,

690
00:27:21,088 --> 00:27:22,488
Like, it needs

691
00:27:22,598 --> 00:27:23,878
to build suspense.

692
00:27:24,018 --> 00:27:26,928
And so whoever it is, they
just aren't good at it.

693
00:27:26,968 --> 00:27:31,088
They're just not quite getting that quite.

694
00:27:32,673 --> 00:27:32,973
So

695
00:27:32,973 --> 00:27:36,813
after this, after, after Sarah is chasing
and killed, then, then this is when,

696
00:27:36,843 --> 00:27:38,163
this is when it all comes to light.

697
00:27:38,973 --> 00:27:40,143
This is when we find out

698
00:27:41,683 --> 00:27:41,893
they're

699
00:27:41,893 --> 00:27:42,733
witches, basically.

700
00:27:42,733 --> 00:27:45,583
like these, And we're not talking about
your friendly neighborhood witches here.

701
00:27:45,583 --> 00:27:51,513
We're talking about the, the
dark, the evil, whatever, uh,

702
00:27:51,573 --> 00:27:53,013
what would you call types of

703
00:27:53,013 --> 00:27:53,313
witches?

704
00:27:53,313 --> 00:27:53,823
What are these?

705
00:27:54,793 --> 00:27:59,303
Well, they're what folklore would want,
would have you believe witches are, which

706
00:27:59,303 --> 00:28:08,213
is, they are, um, needing these human
sacrifices to power their themselves.

707
00:28:08,513 --> 00:28:12,623
You know, they, uh, the dance studio
is basically, or the dance school is

708
00:28:12,623 --> 00:28:17,063
kind of a front for them to be able to
perform these rituals and to have human

709
00:28:17,063 --> 00:28:23,368
sacrifices or human, girls to power
their youth and their rejuvenation and

710
00:28:23,368 --> 00:28:28,148
their, you know, it's the old folklore
that witches eat children, basically.

711
00:28:30,963 --> 00:28:31,323
Okay.

712
00:28:31,353 --> 00:28:34,253
So that, so is that
what it really is then?

713
00:28:34,253 --> 00:28:39,053
Is that what this is a, uh,
an interpretation of that?

714
00:28:39,263 --> 00:28:41,808
Because here's the thing too,
I know that we haven't really

715
00:28:41,808 --> 00:28:43,898
gotten into the three mothers yet

716
00:28:44,968 --> 00:28:45,408
of

717
00:28:46,508 --> 00:28:47,588
what the witches really are.

718
00:28:47,588 --> 00:28:50,228
So you know, should we do that?

719
00:28:50,368 --> 00:28:51,948
Should we get into the three witches now?

720
00:28:52,523 --> 00:28:52,873
Yeah.

721
00:28:52,873 --> 00:28:54,613
And that would be like, maybe my only,

722
00:28:54,843 --> 00:28:55,253
uh,

723
00:28:56,333 --> 00:29:00,843
well, I do like to poke fun, but it would
be my only criticism of this movie in the

724
00:29:00,873 --> 00:29:07,123
1977 version is that I don't think they go
far enough in explaining that or to give

725
00:29:07,123 --> 00:29:13,303
that folklore, um, it's due diligence,
um, because you kind of miss it.

726
00:29:13,313 --> 00:29:14,533
Like you kind of gloss over it.

727
00:29:14,563 --> 00:29:20,303
And then, you know, Um, he does have this
be one of the trilogy so that the three

728
00:29:20,468 --> 00:29:23,243
mothers are represented in the movies.

729
00:29:23,943 --> 00:29:30,423
But, um, but even when she goes to talk
to the psychiatrist, um, uh, which we'll

730
00:29:30,423 --> 00:29:34,873
talk about maybe in a minute, but I,
you know, he kind of tries to relate

731
00:29:34,883 --> 00:29:41,833
to her, the story, or where Madame
Marquis or the, uh, the, uh, Who is

732
00:29:42,103 --> 00:29:47,153
Mother Suspirium, where she maybe comes
from and the Tale of the Three Witches.

733
00:29:47,603 --> 00:29:50,083
And I feel like it was
just kind of glossed over.

734
00:29:50,113 --> 00:29:53,723
It wasn't really made
to be at the forefront.

735
00:29:54,183 --> 00:29:56,373
And I feel like if you were just
watching this movie one time

736
00:29:56,393 --> 00:29:57,793
through, you would kind of miss it.

737
00:29:57,993 --> 00:30:00,723
Like, you wouldn't really see it as well.

738
00:30:01,253 --> 00:30:05,723
But this was based on, um,
the story, uh, an essay.

739
00:30:06,478 --> 00:30:07,098
From Thomas

740
00:30:07,098 --> 00:30:13,718
De Quincey in the 18th century called
the Three Sorrows, which were, um,

741
00:30:13,738 --> 00:30:16,798
each one, the three mothers have their

742
00:30:17,698 --> 00:30:18,348
name.

743
00:30:18,968 --> 00:30:19,368
Right?

744
00:30:19,378 --> 00:30:20,868
I had this pulled up.

745
00:30:21,428 --> 00:30:27,178
Three Mothers, Powerful Witches, Mater
Tenenbarum, the Mother of Darkness,

746
00:30:27,838 --> 00:30:34,548
Mater Lacrimarium, the Mother of Tears,
and Mother Susperium, Mother of Sighs.

747
00:30:34,548 --> 00:30:38,788
So this is supposed to be Marcos,
or Helena Marcos is this, is

748
00:30:39,138 --> 00:30:39,768
um,

749
00:30:41,573 --> 00:30:44,603
Leader of the witches
and this dance Academy.

750
00:30:45,043 --> 00:30:45,903
It's a, you know,

751
00:30:45,903 --> 00:30:46,263
she's

752
00:30:47,063 --> 00:30:50,383
leading this coven and she's
supposed to be the mother of size.

753
00:30:51,928 --> 00:30:56,578
Now, is this So you're saying
this is not, like, based on

754
00:30:57,868 --> 00:30:58,098
some

755
00:30:58,108 --> 00:30:59,168
thousand year old

756
00:31:01,223 --> 00:31:03,423
Ancient prophecies, ancient.

757
00:31:03,433 --> 00:31:06,783
Yes, because there's, there's
3 mothers and 3 goddesses.

758
00:31:06,963 --> 00:31:12,843
In a lot of folklore mythology that
does date back to ancient Egypt, you

759
00:31:12,843 --> 00:31:14,993
know, Greek mythology, things like that.

760
00:31:15,613 --> 00:31:16,233
Um.

761
00:31:17,193 --> 00:31:22,583
The mother is, uh, the three goddesses
are usually the maiden, the mother and

762
00:31:22,593 --> 00:31:27,543
the crone or someone somewhat separate,
uh, representing those three parts

763
00:31:27,653 --> 00:31:33,483
of a woman's life or the goddess, um,
different goddesses that represent.

764
00:31:33,798 --> 00:31:35,388
The Maiden, the Mother, and the Crone.

765
00:31:36,618 --> 00:31:41,568
So you see that Three Mothers
theme come up a lot in fairytale

766
00:31:41,578 --> 00:31:42,768
folklore and mythology.

767
00:31:43,228 --> 00:31:43,658
Gotcha.

768
00:31:43,678 --> 00:31:47,088
So so this is, so it's kind of
got some roots in something,

769
00:31:47,088 --> 00:31:49,778
but it's not taken directly from

770
00:31:51,358 --> 00:31:51,828
ancient

771
00:31:52,278 --> 00:31:53,268
folklore or anything like

772
00:31:53,478 --> 00:31:54,968
Yeah, it's fairly recent.

773
00:31:55,388 --> 00:31:55,688
yeah,

774
00:31:55,688 --> 00:31:55,958
so

775
00:31:55,988 --> 00:31:57,918
so, we

776
00:31:57,918 --> 00:31:58,408
mentioned it.

777
00:31:58,418 --> 00:31:59,418
There's a trilogy of these.

778
00:31:59,428 --> 00:32:02,348
So the other two mothers are
mentioned in the other two movies.

779
00:32:03,268 --> 00:32:04,198
They're not on our list.

780
00:32:04,208 --> 00:32:08,058
So we won't go too far into those unless
you, unless you've got a couple facts

781
00:32:08,058 --> 00:32:09,708
that you want to rip off about those.

782
00:32:09,708 --> 00:32:10,638
You got anything for those?

783
00:32:11,918 --> 00:32:18,078
Um, that's pretty much the gist of
it, as it was taken from that, and um,

784
00:32:19,568 --> 00:32:20,928
Inspired this movie.

785
00:32:21,538 --> 00:32:28,718
Um, and a true story about, uh, was it
the, one of the co writers of the script?

786
00:32:29,085 --> 00:32:31,438
She makes a little cameo
appearance in the movie as well.

787
00:32:32,008 --> 00:32:35,503
She had a grandmother that
went to a boarding school.

788
00:32:35,688 --> 00:32:38,888
It's a Daria Nicola Nicolotti.

789
00:32:38,888 --> 00:32:40,248
Might be something wrong.

790
00:32:40,818 --> 00:32:45,808
Yeah, she had a grandmother that went to a
boarding school and apparently there were.

791
00:32:46,613 --> 00:32:49,533
Um, which is practicing
black magic at this boarding

792
00:32:49,533 --> 00:32:51,093
school and it was discovered.

793
00:32:51,663 --> 00:32:53,303
Now, I really question that.

794
00:32:53,333 --> 00:32:55,783
I really question, like,
what does that mean?

795
00:32:56,013 --> 00:33:00,503
Because if you look back that far
and someone's accused of, quote,

796
00:33:00,733 --> 00:33:04,273
unquote, black magic, and that they're
performing in a school, you're just

797
00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:07,923
like, well, what, were they just kind
of, like, doing, reading tarot cards?

798
00:33:08,768 --> 00:33:10,827
In the basement or like,
what does that mean?

799
00:33:10,848 --> 00:33:11,558
Exactly.

800
00:33:11,698 --> 00:33:14,808
What is the black magic that
they discovered they were doing?

801
00:33:15,768 --> 00:33:21,448
But anyway that inspired the story of
you know, this movie of making a dance

802
00:33:22,288 --> 00:33:27,688
School and it turns out that it's run
by witches and they need these young

803
00:33:27,698 --> 00:33:30,168
women to power and fuel their power

804
00:33:33,158 --> 00:33:33,338
At

805
00:33:33,338 --> 00:33:37,328
this point in the movie, uh, this
is when I get to the, to, to uh, Dr.

806
00:33:37,328 --> 00:33:39,398
Mandel and Professor Milius.

807
00:33:40,633 --> 00:33:40,783
And

808
00:33:40,953 --> 00:33:45,563
that's when you get the
background on Helena Marcos.

809
00:33:46,468 --> 00:33:46,858
Yeah.

810
00:33:47,243 --> 00:33:47,953
She's the founder of

811
00:33:47,953 --> 00:33:49,263
the Academy, so.

812
00:33:50,288 --> 00:33:51,588
and we haven't seen her at all

813
00:33:52,193 --> 00:33:52,793
Exactly.

814
00:33:52,793 --> 00:33:56,183
So we find out, the info on her,
we find out that this place is a

815
00:33:56,193 --> 00:34:00,093
coven and it's got a dark history
and a connection to witchcraft.

816
00:34:00,623 --> 00:34:03,093
Like I said, not your,
not your friendly witches.

817
00:34:04,093 --> 00:34:05,013
These are the vengeful.

818
00:34:05,243 --> 00:34:06,543
They're out, they're out to get you.

819
00:34:07,093 --> 00:34:09,503
And this is

820
00:34:09,503 --> 00:34:11,093
when she also overhears.

821
00:34:11,608 --> 00:34:14,488
or do you want to skip over the
we're not going to skip over the,

822
00:34:14,518 --> 00:34:16,658
the, the therapist part, cause

823
00:34:17,858 --> 00:34:22,538
Well, the one thing I wrote in my
notes from that scene is, um, Dr.

824
00:34:22,558 --> 00:34:24,308
Patient Confidentiality.

825
00:34:24,558 --> 00:34:25,098
Is that a thing?

826
00:34:27,738 --> 00:34:28,128
He's

827
00:34:28,128 --> 00:34:29,268
kind of telling her everything.

828
00:34:29,268 --> 00:34:33,088
He's like, Oh, well, actually,
Sarah was a patient of mine.

829
00:34:33,398 --> 00:34:34,878
And let me tell you all of these delusions

830
00:34:36,008 --> 00:34:39,698
she had about witches and starts
just telling her everything.

831
00:34:39,698 --> 00:34:41,978
And I'm like, we don't know
Sarah's dead at this point.

832
00:34:42,070 --> 00:34:47,968
So, uh, I guess it's just
like, it moves the story along.

833
00:34:48,423 --> 00:34:50,883
You kind of need it,
I guess, but I'm like,

834
00:34:51,543 --> 00:34:51,933
this is

835
00:34:51,933 --> 00:34:54,443
a, probably a pretty big no no,
like therapists shouldn't be

836
00:34:54,463 --> 00:34:56,463
telling people what you say in your

837
00:34:56,803 --> 00:34:56,963
sessions.

838
00:34:57,278 --> 00:34:58,178
I thought the same thing.

839
00:34:58,198 --> 00:34:58,938
Can't do that.

840
00:34:58,968 --> 00:34:59,548
Like, Maybe

841
00:34:59,548 --> 00:35:00,658
it's a different, different place.

842
00:35:00,798 --> 00:35:02,248
Maybe in, uh, in, in

843
00:35:02,898 --> 00:35:04,548
Germany they didn't have
to worry about that.

844
00:35:04,548 --> 00:35:04,968
I don't know.

845
00:35:05,248 --> 00:35:05,778
Maybe you can just

846
00:35:05,913 --> 00:35:05,983
Maybe.

847
00:35:05,998 --> 00:35:06,328
anybody.

848
00:35:09,378 --> 00:35:09,638
Imagine.

849
00:35:09,698 --> 00:35:10,828
Could imagine going down the street.

850
00:35:10,828 --> 00:35:11,098
Hey,

851
00:35:11,908 --> 00:35:14,508
I heard you got hemorrhoids last
week, you know, I couldn't imagine.

852
00:35:14,508 --> 00:35:17,783
Oh my goodness.

853
00:35:18,083 --> 00:35:19,973
this is important to the story.

854
00:35:20,263 --> 00:35:21,423
We need to know.

855
00:35:21,928 --> 00:35:22,408
That.

856
00:35:22,478 --> 00:35:22,968
Okay.

857
00:35:24,638 --> 00:35:28,598
So now, I think we're at the, uh,
where she finds the hidden passages.

858
00:35:29,348 --> 00:35:30,018
She hears their plan.

859
00:35:30,318 --> 00:35:30,328
hmm.

860
00:35:32,038 --> 00:35:33,998
She knows now they're witches.

861
00:35:35,208 --> 00:35:35,758
Yeah.

862
00:35:35,898 --> 00:35:36,428
Yeah.

863
00:35:36,748 --> 00:35:41,058
It's, it, we're coming to the climax,
like, she's, she confronts Helena Marcos.

864
00:35:41,068 --> 00:35:45,208
She, she confronts her and,
who, who is the head witch.

865
00:35:45,918 --> 00:35:46,578
Mm hmm.

866
00:35:46,718 --> 00:35:47,418
How does that go?

867
00:35:47,538 --> 00:35:48,348
How does that go for her?

868
00:35:48,928 --> 00:35:49,348
Yeah.

869
00:35:49,368 --> 00:35:52,108
Well, makeup is pretty good, I think.

870
00:35:52,168 --> 00:35:56,618
I mean, I had to write that down, like,
for this time period, and, you know,

871
00:35:56,618 --> 00:36:01,698
without kind of the more modern advances
and the movie making that we've had.

872
00:36:02,048 --> 00:36:06,223
Um, She's, she's pretty, uh,
she looks pretty ancient.

873
00:36:07,798 --> 00:36:08,048
Big

874
00:36:08,343 --> 00:36:09,483
Pretty old looking there.

875
00:36:09,753 --> 00:36:13,223
Uh, and I don't know where, do
you think they were using Sarah's

876
00:36:13,243 --> 00:36:19,703
body for the ritual that she
had been chosen to be the one?

877
00:36:20,768 --> 00:36:22,298
I think, I think, I think so.

878
00:36:22,318 --> 00:36:26,588
It's not specifically stated, but
I believe, that would be my guess.

879
00:36:26,608 --> 00:36:29,768
It would be my guess it was
Sarah's body for the ritual itself.

880
00:36:30,338 --> 00:36:30,878
Uh,

881
00:36:32,188 --> 00:36:32,418
and

882
00:36:32,418 --> 00:36:36,668
then, this thing, all within like 10
minutes, like this whole thing just.

883
00:36:37,418 --> 00:36:38,588
It collapses, literally.

884
00:36:39,293 --> 00:36:40,383
Yeah, they decide,

885
00:36:40,413 --> 00:36:42,863
she can overhear them saying
the American girl is next.

886
00:36:42,863 --> 00:36:43,783
She's got to go.

887
00:36:44,198 --> 00:36:44,598
yeah,

888
00:36:44,653 --> 00:36:47,883
And then she kind of backs
up into this extra room.

889
00:36:48,063 --> 00:36:49,613
She sees Sarah's dead body.

890
00:36:49,623 --> 00:36:51,473
She's like, oh, crap.

891
00:36:51,483 --> 00:36:52,233
There's my friend.

892
00:36:52,963 --> 00:36:58,723
And then she's kind of thrust into
this secret hidden room where Helena,

893
00:36:59,123 --> 00:37:04,219
uh, Marcos is, um, and the, like,
the raspy breathing voice that

894
00:37:04,233 --> 00:37:05,633
they had heard early in the movie.

895
00:37:06,093 --> 00:37:10,483
Which we forgot to say, the backlighting,
that scene where they're all sleeping

896
00:37:10,483 --> 00:37:15,203
in the ballroom because of the maggots,
and, um, we did hear that raspy voice.

897
00:37:15,973 --> 00:37:19,902
Now, why is she in that scene?

898
00:37:20,633 --> 00:37:24,663
I'm still not sure, because she
obviously has her own hidden bedroom.

899
00:37:25,003 --> 00:37:26,613
Down in some secret area.

900
00:37:27,443 --> 00:37:30,343
And when they're all sleeping in the
ballroom and they've got these sheets up

901
00:37:30,343 --> 00:37:33,633
and there's this eerie red backlighting.

902
00:37:34,123 --> 00:37:37,933
For some reason, Helena Marcos goes
and sleeps with these girls in the

903
00:37:37,933 --> 00:37:39,673
ballroom, but you never see her.

904
00:37:40,713 --> 00:37:41,263
So you,

905
00:37:41,383 --> 00:37:43,933
you hear Sarah kind of
saying like, that's her.

906
00:37:44,273 --> 00:37:46,003
She's the head of the school.

907
00:37:46,013 --> 00:37:47,443
And I think something is,

908
00:37:47,463 --> 00:37:48,043
you know,

909
00:37:48,043 --> 00:37:52,063
you hear that snoring that she's
doing and something's off about it.

910
00:37:52,113 --> 00:37:52,373
And.

911
00:37:53,028 --> 00:37:56,148
Uh, I'm like, why is she there?

912
00:37:56,288 --> 00:37:57,748
I'm not really sure, but

913
00:37:58,158 --> 00:37:59,798
maybe she's Scoping out.

914
00:37:59,818 --> 00:38:01,208
Maybe she was looking at her.

915
00:38:01,548 --> 00:38:02,318
may be.

916
00:38:02,768 --> 00:38:03,118
I think she

917
00:38:03,118 --> 00:38:05,618
was probably because if you think
about it That was when they're

918
00:38:05,618 --> 00:38:06,678
all in the same place together.

919
00:38:07,388 --> 00:38:08,958
it's her ignorance, chance,

920
00:38:09,108 --> 00:38:10,348
and her sleep so

921
00:38:12,113 --> 00:38:12,723
It's creepy

922
00:38:12,743 --> 00:38:13,023
like that.

923
00:38:13,133 --> 00:38:14,833
That's a So

924
00:38:17,293 --> 00:38:17,523
where were we?

925
00:38:17,533 --> 00:38:18,343
Where were we though?

926
00:38:18,383 --> 00:38:23,413
Because oh, you know what I
want to touch on is is Jessica

927
00:38:23,413 --> 00:38:25,163
Harper herself playing Susie

928
00:38:25,498 --> 00:38:26,108
Mm hmm.

929
00:38:27,203 --> 00:38:27,693
speaking

930
00:38:27,693 --> 00:38:28,323
English.

931
00:38:28,663 --> 00:38:32,353
Now we had an English dub of the
entire movie, but all those actors and

932
00:38:32,353 --> 00:38:34,503
actresses, they didn't speak English.

933
00:38:34,723 --> 00:38:38,153
There was multiple languages
involved on the set.

934
00:38:39,543 --> 00:38:43,688
A lot of times when they'd had the
dialogue between themselves, Jessica

935
00:38:43,688 --> 00:38:47,448
Harper didn't speak German, So it
was, she was just getting talked to.

936
00:38:47,838 --> 00:38:51,028
They would, They would use their
feet to tap and give the cues of,

937
00:38:51,028 --> 00:38:52,238
alright, it's your turn to talk.

938
00:38:53,028 --> 00:38:53,698
Oh, yeah.

939
00:38:54,418 --> 00:38:54,788
Yeah.

940
00:38:55,068 --> 00:38:56,948
so on the set, uh,

941
00:38:57,508 --> 00:39:02,298
that since they did know that it
was gonna be dubbed, they didn't

942
00:39:02,298 --> 00:39:03,448
care about the audio around them.

943
00:39:03,458 --> 00:39:06,228
So it, there would be hammering going on.

944
00:39:06,658 --> 00:39:10,988
So it'd be people talking
off screen all the time.

945
00:39:10,988 --> 00:39:11,798
So you're acting, you're

946
00:39:11,798 --> 00:39:13,398
acting scenes.

947
00:39:13,638 --> 00:39:17,528
A lot of those scenes had no audio that
was used that was not dubbed later.

948
00:39:18,108 --> 00:39:19,128
That's, to me,

949
00:39:20,148 --> 00:39:20,378
that's

950
00:39:20,378 --> 00:39:22,448
a, if you watch that movie, you know that.

951
00:39:22,448 --> 00:39:25,408
And you watch the
interactions between actors.

952
00:39:26,738 --> 00:39:27,148
it's

953
00:39:27,288 --> 00:39:31,418
incredible that they figured
out, uh, the language barrier.

954
00:39:31,708 --> 00:39:32,888
because I don't know
how you've been doing.

955
00:39:33,673 --> 00:39:34,003
And that

956
00:39:34,003 --> 00:39:37,793
takes a really skilled actor to be
able to respond appropriately because,

957
00:39:38,313 --> 00:39:42,483
um, I have a little experience in
acting and I know a lot of the training

958
00:39:42,483 --> 00:39:44,803
that you do is like active listening.

959
00:39:45,333 --> 00:39:50,513
Um, sometimes we would have our director,
um, we had our lines memorized, but

960
00:39:50,513 --> 00:39:57,953
they would have us switch parts in
rehearsal so that we had to practice

961
00:39:58,638 --> 00:40:02,818
Not just reciting our lines or our
part, but being active listening to what

962
00:40:02,818 --> 00:40:04,208
the other character is saying to you.

963
00:40:04,808 --> 00:40:09,058
So if she can't even understand What
they're saying, or they're just having

964
00:40:09,058 --> 00:40:13,998
to kind of give her a cue, like,
okay, now talk, she's got to somehow

965
00:40:14,048 --> 00:40:18,278
act like she totally understood what
this other person said to her and

966
00:40:18,278 --> 00:40:20,778
respond and react appropriately.

967
00:40:21,908 --> 00:40:23,288
That's, that's tough.

968
00:40:23,798 --> 00:40:24,908
That's that's to me,

969
00:40:24,908 --> 00:40:28,788
this was, that's an Oscar award
winning performance there then, right?

970
00:40:28,798 --> 00:40:29,498
Like that should be.

971
00:40:29,938 --> 00:40:31,078
Could be, could be.

972
00:40:31,948 --> 00:40:36,698
we're going to talk about what I think
would be Oscar award performance in the

973
00:40:36,698 --> 00:40:40,688
next movie, but let's finish this off
first because now we're at the climax.

974
00:40:42,028 --> 00:40:42,768
we

975
00:40:43,068 --> 00:40:44,818
have A battle.

976
00:40:45,638 --> 00:40:46,488
She stabs Hello.

977
00:40:46,658 --> 00:40:47,178
Marcos

978
00:40:50,198 --> 00:40:51,158
Catches on fire.

979
00:40:52,058 --> 00:40:52,468
Yeah.

980
00:40:53,288 --> 00:40:53,708
Susie

981
00:40:53,743 --> 00:40:54,213
one of those

982
00:40:54,223 --> 00:40:56,973
like, wrap it up tight and tidy,

983
00:40:57,598 --> 00:40:57,938
Yeah

984
00:40:58,053 --> 00:41:01,663
for a second, how in the world is
she going to get out of there alive?

985
00:41:01,733 --> 00:41:07,533
And how is she going to kind of maybe
defeat these witches, like, ahead of it?

986
00:41:07,793 --> 00:41:11,253
But it all happens,
like, in one fail swoop.

987
00:41:11,693 --> 00:41:16,613
She kills the HUD witch, and it
sends the entire dance studio aflame.

988
00:41:16,763 --> 00:41:19,353
Like, all the other witches
can't live without her.

989
00:41:19,493 --> 00:41:19,953
So.

990
00:41:21,238 --> 00:41:23,478
in about that time frame that
we talked about that was it.

991
00:41:23,538 --> 00:41:24,448
It's literally.

992
00:41:25,128 --> 00:41:30,638
Boom, the climax, the witches die, burns
up, Susie walks out, the film's over.

993
00:41:30,638 --> 00:41:32,313
You see susie walking

994
00:41:32,478 --> 00:41:35,398
away and the the dance
academy's burned up.

995
00:41:36,598 --> 00:41:38,668
If you went to the bathroom
during that time, you would be

996
00:41:38,668 --> 00:41:40,188
like, wait, what just happened?

997
00:41:42,403 --> 00:41:45,453
What were your final thoughts on
this first movie without seeing

998
00:41:46,983 --> 00:41:47,533
the second one?

999
00:41:47,553 --> 00:41:48,473
I almost said part two.

1000
00:41:48,483 --> 00:41:49,353
It's not part two.

1001
00:41:49,573 --> 00:41:50,303
It's not a remake.

1002
00:41:50,323 --> 00:41:50,953
We'll get to that.

1003
00:41:51,213 --> 00:41:56,960
But what were your final thoughts of
what you saw here in Suspiria in 1977?

1004
00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:57,373
Hmm.

1005
00:41:57,988 --> 00:42:01,668
My thoughts always go back
to the perception of witches.

1006
00:42:01,798 --> 00:42:07,468
And like, obviously a lot of folklore
and a lot of, um, descriptions of

1007
00:42:07,468 --> 00:42:11,813
witches over the last, you know,
Few centuries have been negative

1008
00:42:11,823 --> 00:42:15,663
because it's really about like, well,
they're in league with the devil.

1009
00:42:15,693 --> 00:42:23,573
They are satanic, they are Dabbling
in powers that come from evil places.

1010
00:42:24,003 --> 00:42:28,973
They do harm They eat babies all of
these kinds of things that came from

1011
00:42:29,033 --> 00:42:36,088
like, you know, the campaign to you know,
Deflect people from witches, but, um,

1012
00:42:36,258 --> 00:42:40,758
but I go back to, like, when you hear
certain folklore about, for example,

1013
00:42:40,758 --> 00:42:46,208
Baba Yaga that comes from Scandinavian
folklore, uh, she has a lot of folklore

1014
00:42:46,298 --> 00:42:50,608
about her that's kind of dark and creepy
and eerie, almost Hansel and Gretel,

1015
00:42:50,968 --> 00:42:52,998
uh, eats the children kind of vibes.

1016
00:42:53,843 --> 00:42:54,023
But

1017
00:42:54,023 --> 00:42:57,583
then there's stories about her where
she's the fairy godmother in the story.

1018
00:42:57,953 --> 00:43:01,533
She's the one that helps out the
heroine in the story of Vasilisa.

1019
00:43:02,153 --> 00:43:03,463
Um, she still lives.

1020
00:43:03,753 --> 00:43:06,253
She flies through the night
on her inner cauldron.

1021
00:43:06,633 --> 00:43:09,363
She lives in a house in
the woods on chicken legs.

1022
00:43:09,623 --> 00:43:12,893
And she has a fence made
of skeletons and bones.

1023
00:43:13,623 --> 00:43:15,353
She's still got that going on.

1024
00:43:15,493 --> 00:43:17,543
But in the story, she's
the one that helps.

1025
00:43:19,183 --> 00:43:24,103
And, um, and I have to go back to
that and remind people that, yeah,

1026
00:43:24,103 --> 00:43:27,723
there was a lot of propaganda against
witchcraft and against witches.

1027
00:43:28,413 --> 00:43:32,673
Um, but I asked myself in this movie,
in the 1977 version, I asked myself,

1028
00:43:33,148 --> 00:43:35,454
What was the purpose of the killing?

1029
00:43:35,698 --> 00:43:38,378
Like, what was, what was the motive here?

1030
00:43:38,454 --> 00:43:40,018
Was it just to make a good story?

1031
00:43:40,038 --> 00:43:44,978
Was it just to make us go,
and have a good horror film?

1032
00:43:45,528 --> 00:43:51,502
Or, you know, was there, like,
something else, another level to

1033
00:43:51,598 --> 00:43:55,025
it that we just haven't explored
or this movie didn't touch on yet?

1034
00:43:55,147 --> 00:43:58,473
And that's why I really loved
going to the 2018 version.

1035
00:43:59,553 --> 00:44:02,513
And being able to see that there
is a lot more going on here.

1036
00:44:02,693 --> 00:44:06,343
Like, there are such other layers, it's
not just what we see on the surface.

1037
00:44:06,693 --> 00:44:06,993
Right?

1038
00:44:08,373 --> 00:44:09,773
I think you hit it all right there.

1039
00:44:09,783 --> 00:44:14,363
And I think, uh, Dario Argento
putting this film together.

1040
00:44:14,593 --> 00:44:16,548
Dario is the Italian Alfred Hitchcock.

1041
00:44:17,693 --> 00:44:19,053
Way more blood and guts.

1042
00:44:19,133 --> 00:44:20,573
Like, that's, that's what he is.

1043
00:44:21,203 --> 00:44:21,503
Not as

1044
00:44:21,503 --> 00:44:21,953
subtle.

1045
00:44:23,023 --> 00:44:24,103
there's definitely

1046
00:44:25,113 --> 00:44:28,193
Intention in the story and what
he was laying out, and there's

1047
00:44:28,193 --> 00:44:32,053
definitely intention in the design
of the movie that he put together.

1048
00:44:32,053 --> 00:44:36,123
Because those quick scenes and
those shots and the way that

1049
00:44:36,123 --> 00:44:37,313
it made you feel unsettled.

1050
00:44:37,813 --> 00:44:42,288
The goblin soundtrack everything
was so plotted out That

1051
00:44:43,393 --> 00:44:45,183
did give you an experience.

1052
00:44:45,623 --> 00:44:48,173
That's a that movie is an
experience when you watch it.

1053
00:44:48,173 --> 00:44:50,563
You can tell there's
something special going on.

1054
00:44:51,243 --> 00:44:53,343
Even though you don't know what
the fuck you're looking at.

1055
00:44:53,353 --> 00:44:56,803
Like you're watching it, you're
like, what am I watching?

1056
00:44:56,923 --> 00:44:57,013
Yeah.

1057
00:44:57,168 --> 00:44:58,518
Yeah.

1058
00:44:59,183 --> 00:45:00,113
Like it feels special.

1059
00:45:00,113 --> 00:45:00,566
Let's get

1060
00:45:00,703 --> 00:45:04,413
The lighting, the green and red
lighting that's unnatural, like,

1061
00:45:05,063 --> 00:45:09,493
Obviously she's not sitting there
in her bedroom in red light.

1062
00:45:09,553 --> 00:45:14,213
That wouldn't be a natural light to
be in, but the movie was like, no,

1063
00:45:14,213 --> 00:45:15,493
you're in a different world here.

1064
00:45:15,503 --> 00:45:17,583
We're going to make it really
feel like a different world.

1065
00:45:17,583 --> 00:45:18,113
So there's going

1066
00:45:18,113 --> 00:45:18,143
to

1067
00:45:18,143 --> 00:45:23,533
be green light and there's going to be
red light and it's brazen and bright.

1068
00:45:27,453 --> 00:45:29,423
2018 remake.

1069
00:45:29,423 --> 00:45:30,153
I've

1070
00:45:30,593 --> 00:45:31,093
my gosh.

1071
00:45:31,303 --> 00:45:31,883
So

1072
00:45:32,213 --> 00:45:33,703
already messed up and called it a remake.

1073
00:45:33,703 --> 00:45:34,443
It's not a remake.

1074
00:45:34,443 --> 00:45:35,153
I just messed up right now.

1075
00:45:35,983 --> 00:45:36,393
Yeah.

1076
00:45:36,393 --> 00:45:39,213
We were discussing this before
we hit record that the director,

1077
00:45:40,043 --> 00:45:43,823
Dario said, um, when they said,
Hey, they're remaking your movie.

1078
00:45:44,393 --> 00:45:45,925
He was like, no, no, no.

1079
00:45:46,633 --> 00:45:49,853
That movie was made exactly the
way it should have been made.

1080
00:45:50,213 --> 00:45:51,013
I'm paraphrasing.

1081
00:45:51,013 --> 00:45:55,493
This isn't a direct quote, but he
was like, Hey, I made it exactly the

1082
00:45:55,493 --> 00:45:56,823
way this movie needed to be made.

1083
00:45:57,093 --> 00:46:00,503
If they make it exactly
the same way, it's a copy.

1084
00:46:01,363 --> 00:46:06,410
And if they don't make it the exact
same way, it's a completely new movie.

1085
00:46:07,433 --> 00:46:10,193
So he would not even call it a remake.

1086
00:46:10,193 --> 00:46:13,353
Reimagined.

1087
00:46:15,058 --> 00:46:20,338
Guadagnino, Guadagnino, I, I I hope I,
I don't know if I'm getting that right.

1088
00:46:20,338 --> 00:46:21,918
My tongue doesn't work that way sometimes.

1089
00:46:22,388 --> 00:46:24,128
But Luca he's the director of the

1090
00:46:24,128 --> 00:46:27,738
2018 version, and he even
said this is not a remake.

1091
00:46:27,868 --> 00:46:31,128
This, this was actually,
this project itself was even

1092
00:46:32,318 --> 00:46:34,418
in development before this.

1093
00:46:34,588 --> 00:46:35,075
And.

1094
00:46:36,068 --> 00:46:38,908
Scrapped basically, or put to
the side before it got picked up.

1095
00:46:39,488 --> 00:46:44,178
And he calls this thing basically
a uh, uh, uh, his interpretation.

1096
00:46:44,478 --> 00:46:45,408
A reinterpretation.

1097
00:46:45,438 --> 00:46:46,518
A re-imagining.

1098
00:46:47,793 --> 00:46:47,813
Yeah.

1099
00:46:48,043 --> 00:46:48,643
And it is.

1100
00:46:49,328 --> 00:46:49,818
It is,

1101
00:46:50,098 --> 00:46:51,538
but it's also.

1102
00:46:52,988 --> 00:46:53,678
A remake!

1103
00:46:54,348 --> 00:46:55,218
It's the same movie!

1104
00:46:55,518 --> 00:46:59,298
It's the same character
names, the same basic plots.

1105
00:47:00,838 --> 00:47:05,658
It's just not a shot for shot or script.

1106
00:47:05,658 --> 00:47:09,788
It's not the same script, but I
think they did a very good job

1107
00:47:09,828 --> 00:47:19,518
having the same feeling and that's
Vibes while also updating it.

1108
00:47:22,908 --> 00:47:23,588
you, you're

1109
00:47:23,588 --> 00:47:24,078
absolutely right.

1110
00:47:24,078 --> 00:47:25,798
And there's a lot of work
that went into this movie.

1111
00:47:25,798 --> 00:47:27,478
Like, Dakota Johnson herself.

1112
00:47:29,148 --> 00:47:29,618
I'm a, I'm a

1113
00:47:29,618 --> 00:47:30,578
huge Dakota Johnson fan.

1114
00:47:30,848 --> 00:47:31,218
You know what?

1115
00:47:31,218 --> 00:47:33,268
There's two people in this
movie that I am, like,

1116
00:47:34,878 --> 00:47:35,678
huge fans

1117
00:47:35,678 --> 00:47:36,038
of.

1118
00:47:36,428 --> 00:47:38,558
We'll watch any three, Three, actually.

1119
00:47:38,688 --> 00:47:39,238
We'll get to those.

1120
00:47:39,988 --> 00:47:40,098
but.

1121
00:47:40,288 --> 00:47:40,608
yeah.

1122
00:47:40,748 --> 00:47:43,988
But right out the gate,
Pat, played by Chloe.

1123
00:47:44,258 --> 00:47:45,408
Grace, right?

1124
00:47:45,783 --> 00:47:46,063
Yep.

1125
00:47:46,068 --> 00:47:48,928
From Dark Shadows, from Carrie.

1126
00:47:49,678 --> 00:47:50,928
I love her.

1127
00:47:50,938 --> 00:47:51,988
She's amazing.

1128
00:47:53,553 --> 00:47:59,123
Dakota Johnson put in years of learning
dance for this role, and it shows.

1129
00:48:00,383 --> 00:48:01,443
I'll go ahead and tell you my other two.

1130
00:48:01,453 --> 00:48:02,113
Mia Goff.

1131
00:48:02,133 --> 00:48:02,913
I love Mia Goff.

1132
00:48:02,963 --> 00:48:03,923
I watch anything she's in.

1133
00:48:03,923 --> 00:48:05,093
She plays Sarah in this.

1134
00:48:05,473 --> 00:48:07,153
And then you got Tilda Swinton.

1135
00:48:08,133 --> 00:48:08,573
Oh my god.

1136
00:48:10,218 --> 00:48:11,668
We could talk about her all day.

1137
00:48:11,968 --> 00:48:13,153
We'll get to Tilda because

1138
00:48:13,843 --> 00:48:15,873
Tilda played three roles in this movie.

1139
00:48:17,398 --> 00:48:20,008
And I didn't know that until
after I'd finished watching it.

1140
00:48:20,278 --> 00:48:23,548
I was like, something is Oh, yeah.

1141
00:48:23,988 --> 00:48:26,768
I kept suspecting something
throughout the movie, yeah.

1142
00:48:26,913 --> 00:48:27,303
we'll

1143
00:48:27,303 --> 00:48:30,433
talk about that a little
more, but this movie,

1144
00:48:31,983 --> 00:48:32,053
I

1145
00:48:32,053 --> 00:48:33,213
mean, right off the beginning,

1146
00:48:34,193 --> 00:48:34,403
It's

1147
00:48:34,403 --> 00:48:39,583
almost like you said, it's not shot scene
for scene, but there's the same vibe.

1148
00:48:39,603 --> 00:48:44,233
You go, Susie Bennion, Arriving in Berlin.

1149
00:48:44,263 --> 00:48:45,003
She's,

1150
00:48:45,298 --> 00:48:46,493
is it raining?

1151
00:48:46,633 --> 00:48:47,453
It's raining too, right?

1152
00:48:47,753 --> 00:48:48,153
Yep.

1153
00:48:48,653 --> 00:48:49,283
Raining.

1154
00:48:49,733 --> 00:48:52,163
Uh, she gets to the academy.

1155
00:48:52,163 --> 00:48:53,993
like it's, it's, it's, it's
the same type of stuff.

1156
00:48:54,023 --> 00:48:54,963
It's got the same feel.

1157
00:48:55,603 --> 00:48:56,253
Same vibe.

1158
00:48:57,653 --> 00:48:57,933
Same

1159
00:48:58,033 --> 00:48:58,393
Yeah.

1160
00:48:59,423 --> 00:49:01,353
And I think they use the mirrors too.

1161
00:49:01,353 --> 00:49:03,743
I wrote down mirrors because
when she gets into the dance

1162
00:49:03,743 --> 00:49:05,533
academy, there's a big mirror.

1163
00:49:05,953 --> 00:49:11,143
Um, like everywhere you go,
there's mirrors that it shows you.

1164
00:49:11,659 --> 00:49:19,188
the reflection of her in, almost
like in, uh, uh, the secret window.

1165
00:49:20,128 --> 00:49:23,188
If you remember, you know, they
would go into the mirror and show

1166
00:49:23,188 --> 00:49:24,858
the reflection of the main character.

1167
00:49:24,878 --> 00:49:28,888
And that was kind of foreshadowing as to
like, you're not really in the real world.

1168
00:49:29,078 --> 00:49:31,088
Cause we're watching all
of this from the mirror.

1169
00:49:31,458 --> 00:49:34,198
So it gives you that vibe of like
going into a different world.

1170
00:49:34,208 --> 00:49:37,888
We're Alice in the looking glass,
some of the inspirations for this

1171
00:49:37,918 --> 00:49:39,848
movie, uh, the original movie.

1172
00:49:40,468 --> 00:49:43,378
Um, Yeah, like you're in
a different world here.

1173
00:49:43,458 --> 00:49:45,788
This isn't just regular life.

1174
00:49:46,568 --> 00:49:46,848
Nah,

1175
00:49:46,878 --> 00:49:51,128
that's like, uh, and it, we see this,
the mirrors come into play later too,

1176
00:49:51,428 --> 00:49:53,758
quite a few times, like, with, yeah, uh,

1177
00:49:55,638 --> 00:49:55,658
whew,

1178
00:49:56,238 --> 00:49:56,918
that's disturbing.

1179
00:49:56,918 --> 00:49:59,098
This is disturbing if you

1180
00:49:59,098 --> 00:50:01,088
ask me, as the original.

1181
00:50:01,138 --> 00:50:04,328
Like, it's, it's got its
own scenes that you're like

1182
00:50:05,548 --> 00:50:06,118
Yeah,

1183
00:50:06,428 --> 00:50:08,488
that's sticking with me for
a while, like you, you, you

1184
00:50:08,498 --> 00:50:08,688
Uh

1185
00:50:08,758 --> 00:50:08,908
that,

1186
00:50:10,278 --> 00:50:10,728
Yeah.

1187
00:50:10,888 --> 00:50:15,288
I mean, you update it with technology
and movie making magic that they

1188
00:50:15,298 --> 00:50:20,718
have been able to, you know, create
over the years the gap of difference.

1189
00:50:21,368 --> 00:50:25,378
I mean, in some of the 1977 scenes,
you're like, oh, they probably cut a pig.

1190
00:50:25,438 --> 00:50:28,828
Like you can kind of tell,
whatever, you know, but you're

1191
00:50:28,828 --> 00:50:30,338
imagining it and it's gruesome.

1192
00:50:30,578 --> 00:50:32,398
Nonetheless, um,

1193
00:50:32,708 --> 00:50:39,368
That's a great point because, uh, the
blood in the 1977 is bright, bright red.

1194
00:50:39,388 --> 00:50:39,938
It's, it's,

1195
00:50:39,983 --> 00:50:40,168
you're

1196
00:50:40,283 --> 00:50:41,753
It's orange.

1197
00:50:42,668 --> 00:50:45,388
It's not a blood color, so
that's a very good point

1198
00:50:45,388 --> 00:50:45,538
out.

1199
00:50:46,028 --> 00:50:46,448
It's interesting.

1200
00:50:48,228 --> 00:50:48,388
Go

1201
00:50:48,388 --> 00:50:49,998
ahead, I didn't mean
to interrupt you there.

1202
00:50:50,508 --> 00:50:51,228
Finish that point up.

1203
00:50:51,933 --> 00:50:52,063
Well,

1204
00:50:52,113 --> 00:50:55,123
just that, you know, then when
we see some of the scenes, like

1205
00:50:55,133 --> 00:50:59,153
the very first, um, uh, is Olga.

1206
00:51:00,473 --> 00:51:07,523
Um, when Olga, I, doesn't
quite die, but what happens

1207
00:51:07,523 --> 00:51:09,943
to her is, in the mirror scene

1208
00:51:10,598 --> 00:51:11,008
Yeah.

1209
00:51:11,473 --> 00:51:13,583
like, I, I, I'll be honest.

1210
00:51:13,613 --> 00:51:15,483
I had to shut my eyes for most of it.

1211
00:51:15,523 --> 00:51:20,333
I kept trying to watch it and I was
like, Oh my gosh, I cannot watch this.

1212
00:51:20,423 --> 00:51:23,303
It was too real.

1213
00:51:23,608 --> 00:51:26,678
It's, it, that was a, that
seems That seems crazy.

1214
00:51:26,758 --> 00:51:28,778
Uh, that's when

1215
00:51:30,418 --> 00:51:30,868
Dakota

1216
00:51:30,868 --> 00:51:32,948
Johnson, Susie is dancing too.

1217
00:51:32,948 --> 00:51:33,528
So it's,

1218
00:51:33,943 --> 00:51:34,328
yes.

1219
00:51:35,058 --> 00:51:35,863
transfer

1220
00:51:36,018 --> 00:51:37,498
of energy transfer of

1221
00:51:37,713 --> 00:51:38,453
Yes.

1222
00:51:39,043 --> 00:51:39,463
And that's

1223
00:51:39,463 --> 00:51:41,233
when you kind of get a
foreshadowing because

1224
00:51:42,233 --> 00:51:49,068
it's not really the, the dance
instructors or, um, You know, they're,

1225
00:51:49,338 --> 00:51:53,138
they talk about, uh, Marcos energy.

1226
00:51:53,288 --> 00:51:54,698
They're like, she has an energy.

1227
00:51:54,785 --> 00:51:59,048
Cause when she walks in the room,
all the dancers are like, Oh, like,

1228
00:51:59,108 --> 00:52:01,008
Ooh, what, what do you want me to do?

1229
00:52:01,018 --> 00:52:02,758
Like, I just want to impress you.

1230
00:52:03,008 --> 00:52:04,778
I'm, you know, and she has this energy.

1231
00:52:05,277 --> 00:52:11,358
Um, and she's, she's very nurturing and
sweet, but also like tough and very stern.

1232
00:52:11,368 --> 00:52:13,148
It's kind of, yeah, it's, it's.

1233
00:52:14,063 --> 00:52:15,253
Oh, it's a whole thing.

1234
00:52:15,913 --> 00:52:19,983
But it's not them that seem
to be doing this to Olga.

1235
00:52:20,363 --> 00:52:25,673
When Suzy starts her dance, she's doing
this amazing, like, movement dance.

1236
00:52:26,183 --> 00:52:29,973
And as she's moving, it's causing
Olga in a different part of the

1237
00:52:30,943 --> 00:52:34,873
school to go through this horrific
thing that she's going through.

1238
00:52:37,103 --> 00:52:39,433
But it's Susie that seems
to be causing it, right?

1239
00:52:40,033 --> 00:52:40,773
Yeah, but you don't,

1240
00:52:41,033 --> 00:52:42,213
and we see more of this later.

1241
00:52:42,293 --> 00:52:43,183
Um, so

1242
00:52:44,113 --> 00:52:44,653
Susie

1243
00:52:44,653 --> 00:52:47,493
even says, I think, is this
the time that she passes out?

1244
00:52:48,093 --> 00:52:50,103
And she even says that doesn't
normally happen or something.

1245
00:52:50,113 --> 00:52:54,443
She's, she, you can tell there's something
different going on with Susie herself

1246
00:52:54,833 --> 00:52:56,713
because her energy, something's drained.

1247
00:52:56,783 --> 00:53:01,383
She's thinking, she even says it, like
I said, this doesn't normally happen.

1248
00:53:01,403 --> 00:53:04,993
There's something along those lines and
she can tell herself that it's, it's

1249
00:53:06,293 --> 00:53:06,703
weird.

1250
00:53:06,923 --> 00:53:08,503
There's, there's something different here.

1251
00:53:10,433 --> 00:53:10,903
Yes.

1252
00:53:11,893 --> 00:53:12,393
Yeah.

1253
00:53:14,163 --> 00:53:15,183
Oh, that whole scene.

1254
00:53:15,203 --> 00:53:21,573
Well, I wanted to make a note
too, before that scene, um, the,

1255
00:53:21,773 --> 00:53:27,083
you hear the, well, first of all,
I'm like, wait, wait, go back.

1256
00:53:27,323 --> 00:53:27,603
Hold

1257
00:53:27,603 --> 00:53:27,863
on.

1258
00:53:28,648 --> 00:53:32,288
There's, there's a lot of really cool
conversations going on throughout

1259
00:53:32,318 --> 00:53:38,848
the movie between the witches, um,
The opening scene is Pat, but she's

1260
00:53:38,848 --> 00:53:40,668
talking to the therapist, the analyst,

1261
00:53:41,518 --> 00:53:42,468
um, the psychoanalyst,

1262
00:53:43,948 --> 00:53:47,688
And they are very upfront about it
being witches right from the very

1263
00:53:47,688 --> 00:53:48,128
beginning.

1264
00:53:48,858 --> 00:53:52,638
Where that is the hidden thing
you find out in the original.

1265
00:53:53,198 --> 00:53:54,798
You don't know what's going on.

1266
00:53:54,798 --> 00:53:56,058
You just know something is.

1267
00:53:56,058 --> 00:54:01,308
And so the reveal is this
dance school is run by witches.

1268
00:54:02,048 --> 00:54:05,278
But in this one, I noticed,
I'm like right out the gate,

1269
00:54:05,668 --> 00:54:08,758
Pat is like, they're witches.

1270
00:54:09,248 --> 00:54:09,648
Yeah,

1271
00:54:09,838 --> 00:54:10,998
And she just says it.

1272
00:54:11,298 --> 00:54:13,028
And you know, she's upfront about it.

1273
00:54:13,058 --> 00:54:14,258
And you know, they're witches.

1274
00:54:14,258 --> 00:54:17,608
Cause you see this scene where the
witches are all talking around the table.

1275
00:54:17,618 --> 00:54:18,568
They have a vote.

1276
00:54:19,138 --> 00:54:20,078
They're talking.

1277
00:54:20,468 --> 00:54:21,048
And.

1278
00:54:21,683 --> 00:54:28,063
They're discussing, like, Sarah and some
of the students and they're saying like,

1279
00:54:28,073 --> 00:54:30,993
Oh, Sarah, she really loves it here.

1280
00:54:31,033 --> 00:54:33,193
She really wants to belong here.

1281
00:54:33,193 --> 00:54:35,643
We really feel like she belongs here.

1282
00:54:36,853 --> 00:54:40,713
And I think there's like a theme
there about belonging, about coming

1283
00:54:40,713 --> 00:54:45,803
to the school and feeling like you
are welcomed here and embraced here.

1284
00:54:46,363 --> 00:54:48,328
So it's a little bit different feeling.

1285
00:54:48,628 --> 00:54:49,028
it's almost

1286
00:54:49,058 --> 00:54:49,748
cultish.

1287
00:54:49,788 --> 00:54:51,688
It's almost a cultish type feel.

1288
00:54:51,728 --> 00:54:52,108
It's,

1289
00:54:52,633 --> 00:54:53,163
Yeah.

1290
00:54:53,393 --> 00:54:57,023
Kind of going back to midsummer last
week's episode we did, which was

1291
00:54:57,063 --> 00:55:01,643
like, This gives the main character
the sense of like, I finally

1292
00:55:01,653 --> 00:55:04,333
made it to the place I belong.

1293
00:55:04,633 --> 00:55:06,198
Yeah, yeah.

1294
00:55:06,768 --> 00:55:12,438
This, this, the 2018 movie,
Suspiria, is definitely,

1295
00:55:13,508 --> 00:55:13,918
multi

1296
00:55:13,918 --> 00:55:14,218
layered.

1297
00:55:14,388 --> 00:55:17,318
It's got way more layers
than the 1977 version.

1298
00:55:17,928 --> 00:55:19,838
And that, this is one of
them that's really coming.

1299
00:55:19,868 --> 00:55:21,728
this is one that's really seen right here.

1300
00:55:22,238 --> 00:55:22,808
And,

1301
00:55:24,358 --> 00:55:24,548
let's

1302
00:55:24,548 --> 00:55:30,063
get, let's get to the, to the, to
right after Olga's contortion scene.

1303
00:55:30,063 --> 00:55:36,963
Because, like you said, she's not dead
because we find out later that this

1304
00:55:37,048 --> 00:55:37,888
they need her.

1305
00:55:38,683 --> 00:55:39,153
gruesome

1306
00:55:39,153 --> 00:55:44,783
display of witchcraft with some,
bone cracking, like, it never ended.

1307
00:55:44,863 --> 00:55:46,863
Like, you said, you
had to close your eyes.

1308
00:55:47,333 --> 00:55:48,053
And then,

1309
00:55:49,053 --> 00:55:49,203
we

1310
00:55:49,203 --> 00:55:54,733
went from that to, I believe, that
was part of Susie's first dance.

1311
00:55:57,123 --> 00:55:58,563
That was her first dance
for the studio, right?

1312
00:55:59,038 --> 00:56:03,328
Yeah, she, she claimed she can,
she can dance the lead to the

1313
00:56:04,703 --> 00:56:05,143
Volk.

1314
00:56:05,143 --> 00:56:05,158
Yeah.

1315
00:56:05,628 --> 00:56:05,798
Volk.

1316
00:56:07,238 --> 00:56:07,628
I love

1317
00:56:07,628 --> 00:56:07,898
that.

1318
00:56:07,988 --> 00:56:08,378
vol.

1319
00:56:08,998 --> 00:56:09,268
And,

1320
00:56:09,268 --> 00:56:12,568
And then we get to the vol performance,
which is the last performance of vol.

1321
00:56:14,748 --> 00:56:14,913
We,

1322
00:56:15,048 --> 00:56:16,948
I love dance so much.

1323
00:56:17,208 --> 00:56:21,298
I always wished that I could have
been a dancer, but I never, I never

1324
00:56:21,298 --> 00:56:21,678
did.

1325
00:56:21,998 --> 00:56:22,628
You still can.

1326
00:56:22,628 --> 00:56:23,198
It's not too late.

1327
00:56:23,288 --> 00:56:23,798
It's not too late.

1328
00:56:24,798 --> 00:56:26,378
I dance in my own special way.

1329
00:56:26,378 --> 00:56:29,208
It's just not very good looking, but okay.

1330
00:56:30,638 --> 00:56:31,778
Are we at the Dr.

1331
00:56:32,258 --> 00:56:32,708
Dr.

1332
00:56:32,708 --> 00:56:34,538
Kliper Kliper Because

1333
00:56:36,498 --> 00:56:38,048
yeah, let's talk about him.

1334
00:56:38,058 --> 00:56:41,228
I was immediately like,
something's not quite right.

1335
00:56:41,258 --> 00:56:45,998
He's, um, maybe he's played by a
younger man, maybe, because I just

1336
00:56:45,998 --> 00:56:50,978
thought, there's just something like,
I, you could kind of just tell that

1337
00:56:50,978 --> 00:56:53,098
he was wearing makeup to be older.

1338
00:56:53,618 --> 00:56:53,888
Yep.

1339
00:56:54,428 --> 00:56:55,068
But

1340
00:56:55,248 --> 00:56:58,158
I also second guessed
that all the whole time.

1341
00:56:58,158 --> 00:56:59,388
I'm like, well, maybe not.

1342
00:56:59,408 --> 00:57:04,048
Maybe this is just an older gentleman
playing this role or whatever.

1343
00:57:06,378 --> 00:57:07,928
Yeah, I know.

1344
00:57:09,428 --> 00:57:09,888
I am

1345
00:57:09,938 --> 00:57:14,508
thrilled to be both right and wrong about

1346
00:57:14,768 --> 00:57:14,798
that.

1347
00:57:16,228 --> 00:57:16,468
So

1348
00:57:16,528 --> 00:57:19,438
they, so, so Dr.

1349
00:57:19,588 --> 00:57:20,368
Dr.

1350
00:57:21,148 --> 00:57:21,808
Klemperer

1351
00:57:21,808 --> 00:57:23,368
is played by Lutz.

1352
00:57:23,978 --> 00:57:24,368
Eber.

1353
00:57:24,368 --> 00:57:26,658
Dorf, That's the name.

1354
00:57:27,768 --> 00:57:31,878
When the movie released, they
built this whole story about

1355
00:57:31,878 --> 00:57:34,108
this guy named Lutz Ebersdorf.

1356
00:57:35,928 --> 00:57:39,438
To the point to where they even said,
they were ever going to say that he had

1357
00:57:39,738 --> 00:57:41,588
passed away before the film came out.

1358
00:57:43,418 --> 00:57:44,378
Oh!

1359
00:57:44,773 --> 00:57:46,063
when Tilda Swinton said,

1360
00:57:46,218 --> 00:57:47,688
Ah, that's kind of too far.

1361
00:57:48,288 --> 00:57:49,578
Let's just tell them it's me.

1362
00:57:50,728 --> 00:57:54,778
I couldn't believe it either,
that Tilda Swinton is Dr.

1363
00:57:54,778 --> 00:57:55,128
Klemper.

1364
00:57:55,638 --> 00:57:57,868
Luca, director, Luca

1365
00:57:59,398 --> 00:57:59,678
put

1366
00:57:59,688 --> 00:58:00,868
Tilda in the because

1367
00:58:01,328 --> 00:58:09,683
it.

1368
00:58:10,098 --> 00:58:10,848
The makeup,

1369
00:58:12,158 --> 00:58:12,778
the actors on

1370
00:58:12,778 --> 00:58:14,128
the set didn't even know.

1371
00:58:14,838 --> 00:58:17,168
The only people who really
knew were the main actors.

1372
00:58:18,078 --> 00:58:21,288
Dakota and, you know, it was the main
actors who knew what was going on.

1373
00:58:21,928 --> 00:58:25,228
And to me that is an
incredible thing to pull off.

1374
00:58:25,538 --> 00:58:29,218
The last name Eberdorf is,

1375
00:58:30,218 --> 00:58:31,248
Here's the meaning for it.

1376
00:58:31,298 --> 00:58:32,818
Eber, Eber

1377
00:58:32,878 --> 00:58:33,298
Eberdorf.

1378
00:58:33,883 --> 00:58:34,203
means

1379
00:58:34,223 --> 00:58:35,493
boar or swine.

1380
00:58:36,953 --> 00:58:39,323
And dwarf means town.

1381
00:58:39,333 --> 00:58:40,883
So you've got Swinetown

1382
00:58:42,313 --> 00:58:42,803
Swinton.

1383
00:58:43,953 --> 00:58:44,533
Got it.

1384
00:58:44,783 --> 00:58:46,103
It's Tilda's last name.

1385
00:58:47,563 --> 00:58:48,233
that

1386
00:58:48,383 --> 00:58:50,973
the only character We'll get to that
other character that Tilda plays.

1387
00:58:51,423 --> 00:58:53,103
This really is an Oscar performance.

1388
00:58:53,103 --> 00:58:54,613
Like, how do you do this?

1389
00:58:55,273 --> 00:58:55,693
But,

1390
00:58:55,708 --> 00:58:55,988
I know.

1391
00:58:55,988 --> 00:58:58,958
And how did the makeup team
not win an Oscar for this?

1392
00:58:59,263 --> 00:58:59,713
right.

1393
00:59:00,168 --> 00:59:06,148
How did they not get nominated for, you
know, costume, makeup, um, special effects

1394
00:59:08,068 --> 00:59:08,678
category?

1395
00:59:08,993 --> 00:59:09,413
I mean,

1396
00:59:11,523 --> 00:59:12,583
it's, it's

1397
00:59:12,583 --> 00:59:14,473
incredible that Tilda pulled this off.

1398
00:59:14,483 --> 00:59:15,413
Tilda can pull off anything.

1399
00:59:15,423 --> 00:59:16,283
I love Tilda movies.

1400
00:59:16,943 --> 00:59:18,463
Everything is being off the watch.

1401
00:59:19,698 --> 00:59:20,068
Yeah.

1402
00:59:20,758 --> 00:59:24,148
But in getting to his story, I like
that they did this whole backstory

1403
00:59:24,598 --> 00:59:27,908
of him, um, having been, you know,
what happened to him during the

1404
00:59:27,918 --> 00:59:33,633
Holocaust and his wife went missing
and, um, um, And they, they brought a

1405
00:59:33,633 --> 00:59:35,713
lot more into that, into this movie.

1406
00:59:35,763 --> 00:59:40,563
The, the radio was on a lot talking
about the war and the wall and Berlin

1407
00:59:40,603 --> 00:59:45,413
and, um, you know, the political kind
of upheaval that was going on at that

1408
00:59:45,413 --> 00:59:45,713
time,

1409
00:59:45,818 --> 00:59:51,298
was a DAF passenger, the
flights, the hostage situation.

1410
00:59:51,298 --> 00:59:53,428
that's been Weaved in and out.

1411
00:59:53,428 --> 00:59:57,028
Like I said, this thing is multi-layered,
Like, it's got A lot of layers, a lot

1412
00:59:57,028 --> 00:59:58,708
of different storytelling going on.

1413
00:59:59,548 --> 01:00:00,208
And

1414
01:00:01,978 --> 01:00:02,338
I, I

1415
01:00:02,338 --> 01:00:05,758
think I interrupted what you were
saying there, so don't let me do that.

1416
01:00:07,563 --> 01:00:09,213
don't remember what I
was saying, but I, I,

1417
01:00:10,493 --> 01:00:15,728
I was, yeah, just saying that,
uh, I, I wrote that from the

1418
01:00:15,728 --> 01:00:20,038
beginning that you kind of see that
as Pat was a political activist.

1419
01:00:20,508 --> 01:00:21,858
She was involved in all of that.

1420
01:00:21,918 --> 01:00:24,448
So you, you got all of
that into it as well.

1421
01:00:24,718 --> 01:00:27,238
And then you get all the doctors, Dr.

1422
01:00:27,278 --> 01:00:33,208
Kemper's, um, backstory,
which has a purpose as well.

1423
01:00:33,238 --> 01:00:39,048
You know, you get to the end, you find out
why that was all important, but, uh, yeah.

1424
01:00:39,088 --> 01:00:41,248
So I liked that aspect of it too.

1425
01:00:41,978 --> 01:00:42,428
That was all

1426
01:00:42,428 --> 01:00:42,778
in there.

1427
01:00:42,778 --> 01:00:42,943
Yeah.

1428
01:00:42,943 --> 01:00:43,108
Yeah.

1429
01:00:43,188 --> 01:00:45,778
We we hadn't even talked
about how they, how, um,

1430
01:00:46,588 --> 01:00:46,808
this

1431
01:00:46,808 --> 01:00:48,598
movie's broke down in by acts too.

1432
01:00:48,598 --> 01:00:50,908
It's like act one, act two, act three.

1433
01:00:51,728 --> 01:00:57,768
And on top of that, there's different
colors, variations with those graphics.

1434
01:00:58,908 --> 01:01:02,348
Subtitles themselves
have different colors.

1435
01:01:02,368 --> 01:01:05,758
It's like blue and red to
distinguish between the

1436
01:01:05,758 --> 01:01:07,218
different languages being spoken.

1437
01:01:07,768 --> 01:01:10,418
There's a lot of different stuff going
on, but it was broken down into a,

1438
01:01:10,768 --> 01:01:14,323
Different way than the 1977 version.

1439
01:01:14,323 --> 01:01:16,363
But I did, I did like the axe.

1440
01:01:16,883 --> 01:01:17,423
Um,

1441
01:01:19,433 --> 01:01:21,793
it's, it's like a book
on, on, on film, you know?

1442
01:01:21,793 --> 01:01:22,573
it's, it's different.

1443
01:01:23,978 --> 01:01:30,548
yeah, or a play, kind of like that
aspect again of, um, the original, kind

1444
01:01:30,548 --> 01:01:35,438
of almost behaving like a play, like
everything was set, everything looked

1445
01:01:35,458 --> 01:01:39,958
like a set, it didn't look like they
were trying to make it real, and, yeah.

1446
01:01:41,693 --> 01:01:44,143
So it's kind of bringing
that aspect into it as well.

1447
01:01:44,143 --> 01:01:45,413
Like it's a play.

1448
01:01:45,423 --> 01:01:46,653
You're just watching a play.

1449
01:01:46,653 --> 01:01:49,153
You're watching something
that's happening in real time.

1450
01:01:49,533 --> 01:01:50,123
Let me ask you about

1451
01:01:50,123 --> 01:01:51,783
that, about the set designs and anything.

1452
01:01:51,793 --> 01:01:56,263
Did you notice, because like in
Midsommar and Wicker Man, we saw symbols.

1453
01:01:56,263 --> 01:01:57,543
We saw pagan stuff.

1454
01:01:57,543 --> 01:02:00,213
We saw little signs to things.

1455
01:02:00,213 --> 01:02:02,503
Did you, did you catch any of
that in either of these movies?

1456
01:02:02,503 --> 01:02:03,173
I didn't even ask

1457
01:02:03,233 --> 01:02:05,803
Not as much as, and I
was really looking too.

1458
01:02:05,823 --> 01:02:09,123
I was like, I wonder if I'm
going to see anything that stands

1459
01:02:09,143 --> 01:02:11,233
out to me as like a connection.

1460
01:02:11,513 --> 01:02:15,463
Um, obviously in the original, there
was like the evil eye and the triangle.

1461
01:02:15,463 --> 01:02:19,483
You could see certain things that
were definitely connected to, um, you

1462
01:02:19,663 --> 01:02:21,343
know, What we consider witchcraft.

1463
01:02:21,403 --> 01:02:25,863
Um, in the end scene, when all of those
orb crystals are rolling across the floor,

1464
01:02:25,883 --> 01:02:30,053
I noticed that and I was like, well, I
don't know anybody who's practicing energy

1465
01:02:30,053 --> 01:02:35,583
work or, or witchcraft that doesn't have
some crystal orbs in their workspaces.

1466
01:02:35,613 --> 01:02:43,688
But, um, yeah, I noticed more about
little, um, Subtle nods, like there's

1467
01:02:43,958 --> 01:02:50,178
the blue iris that you turn to get to
the secret passages in the original,

1468
01:02:50,638 --> 01:02:55,063
and then in the newer film they
can They, um, reference one of the

1469
01:02:55,063 --> 01:02:57,193
ballrooms is called the iris ballroom.

1470
01:02:57,603 --> 01:03:00,163
Ah, nice.

1471
01:03:00,323 --> 01:03:00,523
See,

1472
01:03:00,713 --> 01:03:01,693
I didn't catch that.

1473
01:03:01,693 --> 01:03:02,653
Look at you, I didn't catch that.

1474
01:03:02,653 --> 01:03:03,453
I love that.

1475
01:03:04,353 --> 01:03:04,713
yeah.

1476
01:03:05,113 --> 01:03:07,523
the secret passage thing
though, that's when, now,

1477
01:03:08,133 --> 01:03:08,473
that's

1478
01:03:08,593 --> 01:03:09,793
where we are pretty much in the movie.

1479
01:03:09,793 --> 01:03:12,993
This is when Sarah gets curious.

1480
01:03:13,683 --> 01:03:14,423
Played by Mia Goff.

1481
01:03:14,893 --> 01:03:15,653
I love Mia Goff.

1482
01:03:16,058 --> 01:03:16,478
Mm-Hmm.

1483
01:03:17,353 --> 01:03:17,963
She's

1484
01:03:17,993 --> 01:03:22,203
investigating the, well,
she's, she thinks, she knows,

1485
01:03:22,433 --> 01:03:23,543
did I jump over anything?

1486
01:03:23,583 --> 01:03:26,863
Because this is the point when
the movie, when she's looking

1487
01:03:26,928 --> 01:03:30,333
around for Patricia, really.

1488
01:03:30,333 --> 01:03:33,903
I think she's still there,
and she starts counting.

1489
01:03:33,953 --> 01:03:37,533
This is the same, this is the same
thing that happened in the 1977 version.

1490
01:03:37,533 --> 01:03:40,703
Where they're counting the steps, saying,
wait a minute, there's a secret hallway.

1491
01:03:41,163 --> 01:03:45,353
Mia Goff, Sarah does the same thing
here, and you see her counting the steps,

1492
01:03:45,353 --> 01:03:46,843
and then she starts counting them down.

1493
01:03:47,768 --> 01:03:50,418
This is a long anticipation

1494
01:03:51,558 --> 01:03:52,068
of

1495
01:03:52,128 --> 01:04:00,488
just uneasiness when she's walking
through these places and she,

1496
01:04:00,998 --> 01:04:04,068
she finds what she's looking for
and I don't think she wanted to.

1497
01:04:05,533 --> 01:04:06,133
Yeah.

1498
01:04:06,313 --> 01:04:10,483
And, and it's interesting that she's
the one that goes to the therapist,

1499
01:04:10,968 --> 01:04:11,298
Yeah.

1500
01:04:11,823 --> 01:04:12,453
uh,

1501
01:04:12,758 --> 01:04:14,643
to, to say, something's not right.

1502
01:04:14,643 --> 01:04:15,873
I don't know what I should do.

1503
01:04:15,873 --> 01:04:20,073
And he is talking to her when
in the original, it's kind of

1504
01:04:20,343 --> 01:04:24,183
Sarah she's looking for, and it's
Susie that asks the therapist.

1505
01:04:24,183 --> 01:04:26,333
So you kind of get a switch roles.

1506
01:04:26,768 --> 01:04:28,588
and how they're all participating.

1507
01:04:29,608 --> 01:04:29,998
Yeah.

1508
01:04:31,378 --> 01:04:33,958
All at the same time, you got,
you got the, uh, the coven.

1509
01:04:34,068 --> 01:04:35,428
They're out there preparing.

1510
01:04:35,448 --> 01:04:36,678
They're, they're trying to get ready.

1511
01:04:37,508 --> 01:04:37,928
What is it?

1512
01:04:37,928 --> 01:04:39,368
Basically to transfer

1513
01:04:41,828 --> 01:04:44,778
Helena Marcos soul, I guess.

1514
01:04:44,778 --> 01:04:46,208
if It was a soul into Susie.

1515
01:04:46,368 --> 01:04:47,488
Like, that's what's gonna

1516
01:04:47,488 --> 01:04:48,448
happen really, right?

1517
01:04:48,448 --> 01:04:48,648
Yeah.

1518
01:04:49,168 --> 01:04:49,618
Yeah.

1519
01:04:49,668 --> 01:04:53,718
But I, I was confused about
characters because Marcos is

1520
01:04:54,318 --> 01:04:55,988
what they were calling Helena,

1521
01:04:56,838 --> 01:04:57,098
um,

1522
01:04:57,268 --> 01:04:58,128
the younger

1523
01:04:58,428 --> 01:04:58,748
Yeah.

1524
01:04:59,048 --> 01:05:05,048
dance, you know, the head of the dance
that everyone was so infatuated with.

1525
01:05:05,588 --> 01:05:09,578
Um, but the older Marcos is the
one you don't see until the end.

1526
01:05:10,208 --> 01:05:15,228
And it's like, there's two different,
you know, and they're all voting

1527
01:05:15,228 --> 01:05:17,338
on who is going to be the leader.

1528
01:05:17,378 --> 01:05:19,354
So they vote on the older mother.

1529
01:05:20,858 --> 01:05:22,138
Do they call her Mother Marcos?

1530
01:05:22,468 --> 01:05:23,318
I think that's what they call

1531
01:05:23,318 --> 01:05:23,618
her.

1532
01:05:23,718 --> 01:05:24,398
and Helena Marcos.

1533
01:05:24,438 --> 01:05:25,298
Is that the same person?

1534
01:05:25,318 --> 01:05:25,958
No, I don't know.

1535
01:05:26,578 --> 01:05:26,888
Yeah.

1536
01:05:26,888 --> 01:05:28,078
They're different people.

1537
01:05:28,098 --> 01:05:31,798
Cause there's a portrait in there when,
when the scene you're talking about,

1538
01:05:31,798 --> 01:05:36,538
when Sarah comes in and she's overhearing
conversations in the other room and

1539
01:05:36,538 --> 01:05:38,518
she takes an artifact off the shelf.

1540
01:05:39,048 --> 01:05:42,378
And, uh, there's a portrait
there of Helena Marcos, the

1541
01:05:42,378 --> 01:05:45,693
young And the older mother, Marcos.

1542
01:05:46,168 --> 01:05:46,518
You're right.

1543
01:05:46,518 --> 01:05:47,428
And it's got the hair on

1544
01:05:47,428 --> 01:05:48,378
it and whatever that is.

1545
01:05:48,388 --> 01:05:48,868
Like, it's,

1546
01:05:49,318 --> 01:05:55,393
Yeah, so they kind of take the
character that was just one character

1547
01:05:55,393 --> 01:05:57,683
and they split it into two people.

1548
01:05:58,758 --> 01:05:59,408
Interesting.

1549
01:05:59,438 --> 01:06:00,768
I didn't, I don't think I picked up on

1550
01:06:00,768 --> 01:06:00,998
that.

1551
01:06:01,028 --> 01:06:01,718
Like, that's an

1552
01:06:02,018 --> 01:06:03,493
Yeah, because I was getting confused.

1553
01:06:03,493 --> 01:06:05,213
I'm like, wait, they
keep calling her Marcos.

1554
01:06:05,833 --> 01:06:08,033
Is she Helena Marcos or is it?

1555
01:06:08,933 --> 01:06:10,115
So then who's the mother?

1556
01:06:10,233 --> 01:06:13,903
Like it was confusing because
I was still stuck on what

1557
01:06:13,903 --> 01:06:14,913
was going on in the original.

1558
01:06:16,688 --> 01:06:17,168
Now,

1559
01:06:17,898 --> 01:06:19,618
this is only about halfway
through this movie.

1560
01:06:19,618 --> 01:06:19,888
now.

1561
01:06:20,663 --> 01:06:20,793
I

1562
01:06:20,793 --> 01:06:20,883
know.

1563
01:06:22,478 --> 01:06:25,008
This movie, it's quite a bit

1564
01:06:25,008 --> 01:06:26,128
longer than the first one.

1565
01:06:26,128 --> 01:06:28,628
So 2018 version.

1566
01:06:28,628 --> 01:06:30,178
But it never really lacks

1567
01:06:30,348 --> 01:06:30,728
to me.

1568
01:06:30,738 --> 01:06:31,388
Never really.

1569
01:06:32,543 --> 01:06:33,313
No.

1570
01:06:33,518 --> 01:06:34,248
Slow down moment.

1571
01:06:34,298 --> 01:06:34,828
You know what I mean?

1572
01:06:34,828 --> 01:06:35,528
Like it's not like.

1573
01:06:35,528 --> 01:06:35,788
it,

1574
01:06:37,713 --> 01:06:40,893
It moves and there's just a
lot of moving pieces going on.

1575
01:06:40,963 --> 01:06:42,583
What's going on with the girls?

1576
01:06:42,603 --> 01:06:48,033
What's going on with, um, the relationship
between Susie and Helena Marcos?

1577
01:06:48,213 --> 01:06:53,243
There's kind of this mentorship,
taking her under her wing.

1578
01:06:54,433 --> 01:06:57,973
Um, she's obviously like spending some
special attention and time with her

1579
01:06:57,993 --> 01:06:59,943
on helping her learn the Volk dance.

1580
01:07:00,603 --> 01:07:06,183
And also we find out preparing her
for the ritual of giving up her body

1581
01:07:06,183 --> 01:07:10,858
to Mother Marcos, who's going to Yes.

1582
01:07:11,158 --> 01:07:11,738
she

1583
01:07:14,138 --> 01:07:15,938
is, she

1584
01:07:15,968 --> 01:07:17,283
accelerates very

1585
01:07:17,428 --> 01:07:18,088
fast.

1586
01:07:18,718 --> 01:07:19,478
at some of these dances

1587
01:07:19,488 --> 01:07:20,538
like you, you got the,

1588
01:07:20,548 --> 01:07:21,188
the jump

1589
01:07:21,228 --> 01:07:22,048
remember the jump she's

1590
01:07:22,048 --> 01:07:23,758
doing and it's, she,

1591
01:07:24,298 --> 01:07:26,668
She's getting the energy
from the other girls

1592
01:07:26,998 --> 01:07:28,158
You, you, it's

1593
01:07:28,848 --> 01:07:30,128
because they're collapsing

1594
01:07:30,258 --> 01:07:33,258
and they're having seizures and they're
like stuff that's going on with them.

1595
01:07:33,258 --> 01:07:33,548
Yeah.

1596
01:07:34,378 --> 01:07:38,158
so this is all part of the

1597
01:07:38,158 --> 01:07:40,598
witch's plans i'm guessing
like this is part of

1598
01:07:41,948 --> 01:07:42,328
what they

1599
01:07:42,328 --> 01:07:45,778
want to do They're they're they they know
they know that she's the one and they're

1600
01:07:45,778 --> 01:07:52,238
trying to get her as strong as possible
For the ritual did I take that right?

1601
01:07:52,258 --> 01:07:53,408
Is that what's happening here?

1602
01:07:53,788 --> 01:07:55,898
From a, from a witch's standpoint.

1603
01:07:56,648 --> 01:08:02,418
Well, like I'm, like I said, a lot
of it is like, um, it's, I mean,

1604
01:08:02,418 --> 01:08:03,848
it's meant to be a fairy tale.

1605
01:08:03,848 --> 01:08:07,468
It's meant to be fiction,
but it's taking from what.

1606
01:08:08,293 --> 01:08:13,023
Most of us who do practice energy work or
witchcraft or anything you want to call

1607
01:08:13,023 --> 01:08:21,713
it, even religious fervor, but like what
we experience with that energy, they keep

1608
01:08:21,713 --> 01:08:24,523
talking about that to me is very real.

1609
01:08:24,858 --> 01:08:27,738
And I don't think there's anyone on
the planet who cannot sense and feel

1610
01:08:27,758 --> 01:08:29,538
energy in some sense, in some way.

1611
01:08:29,538 --> 01:08:32,538
I mean, you know, when you walk
into a room, when the energy

1612
01:08:32,538 --> 01:08:34,718
is high or the vibe is high.

1613
01:08:34,768 --> 01:08:38,338
I mean, uh, we talked about it with
the Fresh King Benjamin and the,

1614
01:08:38,478 --> 01:08:41,508
you know, when you get on stage and
you're a comedian, you can sense the

1615
01:08:41,508 --> 01:08:44,918
energy of the audience and you know
what you're getting back from them.

1616
01:08:44,948 --> 01:08:51,078
And, you know, that exchange of energy is
not a, make believe or fictional thing.

1617
01:08:51,538 --> 01:08:55,278
So being able to take it into a fictional
movie, in a sense, and to be like,

1618
01:08:55,308 --> 01:09:00,828
okay, so what would that look like
or be like if we had this coven of

1619
01:09:00,848 --> 01:09:06,308
witches who then could kind of harness
the power of these young dancers?

1620
01:09:07,988 --> 01:09:09,278
This is maybe what it would look like.

1621
01:09:10,918 --> 01:09:11,558
I mean,

1622
01:09:12,588 --> 01:09:14,148
definitely this is what it would

1623
01:09:14,218 --> 01:09:15,308
look like if you asked

1624
01:09:15,308 --> 01:09:18,408
me, but I'm not, you know, I
haven't been into these covens

1625
01:09:18,508 --> 01:09:19,108
before, so I'm

1626
01:09:19,108 --> 01:09:21,178
not too familiar.

1627
01:09:21,988 --> 01:09:24,708
Well, honestly, and I, I
wrote down too, what the Dr.

1628
01:09:24,708 --> 01:09:26,268
Kemper says is that, uh,

1629
01:09:27,733 --> 01:09:27,873
Oh,

1630
01:09:27,873 --> 01:09:30,693
he says something about love
and manipulation share houses.

1631
01:09:31,283 --> 01:09:33,133
I wrote that down because
that's a good quote.

1632
01:09:35,693 --> 01:09:39,983
Helena Marcos that says, when she takes
Susie aside and they're practicing

1633
01:09:39,983 --> 01:09:46,443
the jumps and stuff, and she says
poems, prayers, spells, and even the

1634
01:09:46,443 --> 01:09:49,833
dance, they're all the same, right?

1635
01:09:50,063 --> 01:09:55,013
So they're gonna do this ritual
with dance, but it's going to be no

1636
01:09:55,013 --> 01:09:59,353
different than someone who writes
out a poem, or writes out a spell, or

1637
01:09:59,353 --> 01:10:00,813
puts their intention into the dance.

1638
01:10:01,123 --> 01:10:04,573
emotional energy into something.

1639
01:10:05,833 --> 01:10:06,893
I think that's brilliant.

1640
01:10:06,923 --> 01:10:11,533
I mean, I, I think people who do
any kind of art anywhere, any form

1641
01:10:11,863 --> 01:10:13,383
can understand what that's like.

1642
01:10:13,433 --> 01:10:19,253
You're putting your emotional
experience into a projection that's

1643
01:10:19,253 --> 01:10:20,273
going to go out into the world.

1644
01:10:21,088 --> 01:10:21,488
I love

1645
01:10:21,488 --> 01:10:21,738
that.

1646
01:10:21,818 --> 01:10:25,028
That's, that's, that's incredible.

1647
01:10:25,028 --> 01:10:30,778
And then that takes us right here to
the dance itself, the vault dance.

1648
01:10:33,598 --> 01:10:33,858
Well,

1649
01:10:33,858 --> 01:10:35,308
they, well, they lured Dr.

1650
01:10:35,308 --> 01:10:38,083
Klemper to the, to the academy.

1651
01:10:38,123 --> 01:10:39,603
Like, they get him in there.

1652
01:10:40,703 --> 01:10:44,773
Uh, he's gets, he witnesses some
of the, the, the evil going on.

1653
01:10:45,413 --> 01:10:46,813
He's already, I mean, he already knows.

1654
01:10:46,813 --> 01:10:51,873
He already suspects because he's talked to
Susie and Sarah at this point, I believe.

1655
01:10:52,943 --> 01:10:53,313
Correct?

1656
01:10:53,313 --> 01:10:53,583
Yeah.

1657
01:10:54,863 --> 01:10:56,053
Yeah, he's been talking to Sarah.

1658
01:10:56,073 --> 01:11:00,353
I think he was worried about her
because he took the odd object

1659
01:11:00,353 --> 01:11:02,663
that she stole, took it, and

1660
01:11:05,083 --> 01:11:08,733
yeah, she takes it and, uh,
he takes it and he's like, I

1661
01:11:08,753 --> 01:11:10,103
just want you to be careful.

1662
01:11:10,153 --> 01:11:13,713
I want you to, you know,
be careful about this.

1663
01:11:13,713 --> 01:11:15,343
And he was investigating Pat.

1664
01:11:16,043 --> 01:11:18,743
With her, like Pat was his client.

1665
01:11:18,773 --> 01:11:20,383
So he's like, yeah, something's up.

1666
01:11:20,393 --> 01:11:22,313
Like the girls disappeared.

1667
01:11:22,863 --> 01:11:29,943
Um, kind of like my wife, you know, going
back to his personal story, he's invested.

1668
01:11:30,063 --> 01:11:31,693
He's emotionally invested.

1669
01:11:31,703 --> 01:11:33,453
He's like, this woman's gone missing.

1670
01:11:33,453 --> 01:11:36,483
And now Sarah, he goes to see
the dance and Sarah's not there.

1671
01:11:36,763 --> 01:11:37,293
She's not in the.

1672
01:11:38,653 --> 01:11:40,103
So he's got to think something's up.

1673
01:11:40,403 --> 01:11:41,063
And you, you

1674
01:11:41,063 --> 01:11:43,013
see the dancers also
saying, Where's Sarah?

1675
01:11:43,103 --> 01:11:43,833
Where's Sarah?

1676
01:11:43,953 --> 01:11:51,773
Well, Sarah was out in the not so
good place finding Patricia and that

1677
01:11:51,793 --> 01:11:55,203
other thing without arms and oh my

1678
01:11:55,313 --> 01:11:55,733
I know.

1679
01:11:55,763 --> 01:11:57,303
I don't, I, who do you think that was?

1680
01:11:57,373 --> 01:11:57,863
I don't know.

1681
01:11:57,893 --> 01:11:58,833
Maybe that was Olga,

1682
01:11:59,133 --> 01:11:59,493
right?

1683
01:12:00,043 --> 01:12:00,283
Oh,

1684
01:12:00,573 --> 01:12:01,533
Olga in.

1685
01:12:02,003 --> 01:12:05,323
And she was all distorted
and I couldn't quite tell.

1686
01:12:05,363 --> 01:12:08,273
I was like, yeah, obviously
there's some people in here.

1687
01:12:08,653 --> 01:12:11,843
Um, and Olga comes back at the end too.

1688
01:12:11,893 --> 01:12:16,163
So Olga, Pat and Sarah
play a part in the final

1689
01:12:16,463 --> 01:12:16,793
ritual.

1690
01:12:17,003 --> 01:12:17,363
Yeah.

1691
01:12:17,403 --> 01:12:20,943
And before that though, we get to see
the, this is why we've got the red on.

1692
01:12:20,953 --> 01:12:23,993
We get to see the, the extravagant

1693
01:12:25,033 --> 01:12:26,053
costumes,

1694
01:12:26,093 --> 01:12:28,073
the dance of Valk.

1695
01:12:28,953 --> 01:12:31,133
Uh, I don't know if this
is, is this a real dance?

1696
01:12:31,183 --> 01:12:31,983
Was this something

1697
01:12:31,983 --> 01:12:32,173
that's

1698
01:12:32,393 --> 01:12:33,143
don't know.

1699
01:12:33,183 --> 01:12:35,083
I, I would love to find out.

1700
01:12:35,113 --> 01:12:38,673
I should have researched that
because I just love that.

1701
01:12:39,393 --> 01:12:41,253
That dance was incredible.

1702
01:12:41,293 --> 01:12:42,803
I mean, I was mesmerized.

1703
01:12:43,013 --> 01:12:43,643
If anybody out

1704
01:12:43,643 --> 01:12:45,773
there knows if that's
real, hit us, let us know.

1705
01:12:45,803 --> 01:12:47,783
We, want, I want to know,
I want to reenact it.

1706
01:12:47,783 --> 01:12:50,013
I want to get a reenacting of, uh,

1707
01:12:50,133 --> 01:12:50,958
of uh, the Valk.

1708
01:12:50,958 --> 01:12:51,913
The

1709
01:12:52,678 --> 01:12:53,158
dance, evolved.

1710
01:12:53,198 --> 01:12:54,588
And here's the thing too, with

1711
01:12:54,888 --> 01:12:57,748
all the technology, with all this
stuff out there in the filmmaking

1712
01:12:57,748 --> 01:13:01,408
process, there was very little CGI used.

1713
01:13:02,008 --> 01:13:02,748
in this scene.

1714
01:13:02,848 --> 01:13:04,978
This, dance was done by the dancers.

1715
01:13:05,258 --> 01:13:06,628
Dakota Johnson learned this.

1716
01:13:06,998 --> 01:13:13,458
It was, it was, uh, you know, a
production in itself within the movie.

1717
01:13:15,318 --> 01:13:15,663
I loved it.

1718
01:13:15,668 --> 01:13:16,398
I thought it was beautiful.

1719
01:13:18,868 --> 01:13:19,428
Amazing.

1720
01:13:19,888 --> 01:13:23,598
So from what I can tell from Google,
it was created just for the movie,

1721
01:13:23,718 --> 01:13:26,238
Okay, we're gonna

1722
01:13:26,288 --> 01:13:27,008
redo it anyway.

1723
01:13:27,028 --> 01:13:27,508
We're gonna

1724
01:13:27,948 --> 01:13:30,678
but was, it was powerful.

1725
01:13:30,718 --> 01:13:33,798
It was definitely like that
contemporary style of dancing

1726
01:13:33,798 --> 01:13:35,388
with the breathing and the

1727
01:13:35,608 --> 01:13:36,018
Yeah, and

1728
01:13:36,238 --> 01:13:38,428
woof me chills.

1729
01:13:38,648 --> 01:13:38,768
It

1730
01:13:38,768 --> 01:13:39,198
was long.

1731
01:13:39,228 --> 01:13:40,198
It was, It was, I loved it.

1732
01:13:40,208 --> 01:13:40,658
It's long.

1733
01:13:40,668 --> 01:13:41,418
It's a long

1734
01:13:42,503 --> 01:13:42,893
Dance

1735
01:13:42,893 --> 01:13:43,223
scene.

1736
01:13:43,253 --> 01:13:43,823
Um

1737
01:13:44,183 --> 01:13:44,583
Yeah,

1738
01:13:44,633 --> 01:13:46,493
it definitely is a, uh, dance.

1739
01:13:46,833 --> 01:13:49,563
As you're talking about it in
rehearsals too, you can tell that it

1740
01:13:49,563 --> 01:13:51,513
was a dance created to be a story.

1741
01:13:51,883 --> 01:13:53,723
To have its own, like, act.

1742
01:13:54,633 --> 01:13:57,453
Like, there's the big, you know, the
beginning of the dance and she's talking

1743
01:13:57,453 --> 01:14:02,013
about leading it up to the end of the
dance when they're jumping and all that.

1744
01:14:02,053 --> 01:14:02,383
Yeah.

1745
01:14:02,713 --> 01:14:06,643
And this is, in, in vogue now,
this is the dance of death, so

1746
01:14:07,863 --> 01:14:08,373
you got

1747
01:14:08,813 --> 01:14:12,693
Susie, ba, this is Susie
basically performing, you know,

1748
01:14:13,703 --> 01:14:13,913
a

1749
01:14:14,213 --> 01:14:19,463
ritualistic dance and then it
culminates in this big, bloody, chaotic

1750
01:14:20,513 --> 01:14:21,293
craziness.

1751
01:14:21,323 --> 01:14:25,783
It's almost like you, you're
watching this scene and you think,

1752
01:14:27,183 --> 01:14:30,213
after it's all over, where you're
like, how did I get from that to that?

1753
01:14:32,183 --> 01:14:32,753
You know what I mean?

1754
01:14:32,813 --> 01:14:33,308
Without, because.

1755
01:14:34,078 --> 01:14:34,918
It's, it's, it's,

1756
01:14:34,918 --> 01:14:35,638
it's insane.

1757
01:14:35,698 --> 01:14:37,258
Um, what'd you think about that?

1758
01:14:38,763 --> 01:14:40,003
So, you're talking
about building up to the

1759
01:14:40,003 --> 01:14:40,493
end?

1760
01:14:40,568 --> 01:14:41,108
Yeah, yeah.

1761
01:14:41,108 --> 01:14:41,288
Yeah.

1762
01:14:41,288 --> 01:14:43,628
You just, you think about it in, in, in

1763
01:14:43,628 --> 01:14:46,478
just that piece from the, the
start of the dance to the very end.

1764
01:14:46,673 --> 01:14:47,243
Oh yeah.

1765
01:14:47,338 --> 01:14:51,538
It's like how did you go from this
thing to, to this like it was.

1766
01:14:52,188 --> 01:14:52,698
bizarre to me.

1767
01:14:52,998 --> 01:14:53,778
It's bizarre to me.

1768
01:14:53,778 --> 01:14:58,698
If you think about how you got from point
A to point B, all the stuff in between.

1769
01:14:59,443 --> 01:15:02,223
Well, I can tell you, all that thread.

1770
01:15:03,108 --> 01:15:04,998
is definitely Susie.

1771
01:15:05,328 --> 01:15:05,818
Like,

1772
01:15:06,578 --> 01:15:06,788
from

1773
01:15:06,788 --> 01:15:11,488
the very beginning of the movie, and as
you follow her story through this, this

1774
01:15:11,488 --> 01:15:17,368
is something, this is the part where it
really differs from, um, the original.

1775
01:15:17,658 --> 01:15:20,833
Because the original, you're
experiencing it as a Normy

1776
01:15:21,718 --> 01:15:22,498
a normal,

1777
01:15:22,588 --> 01:15:23,848
a muggle, if you will.

1778
01:15:24,368 --> 01:15:28,568
Um, you know, we're the muggle
Susie, and we are going into a

1779
01:15:28,628 --> 01:15:30,488
dance studio, and something's weird.

1780
01:15:30,488 --> 01:15:33,608
And obviously, I mean, through the whole
movie, she's, she's experiencing the

1781
01:15:33,608 --> 01:15:42,468
same confusion and revulsion and, um, and
shock as we, the audience are feeling it.

1782
01:15:43,158 --> 01:15:45,348
But in the 2018 version.

1783
01:15:45,783 --> 01:15:50,313
We're experiencing it as a thread
through Susie, but it's not the same.

1784
01:15:50,313 --> 01:15:52,643
It's like, what's up with Susie?

1785
01:15:53,768 --> 01:15:54,368
Yeah.

1786
01:15:54,683 --> 01:15:54,973
Right?

1787
01:15:55,488 --> 01:15:56,028
No, you're

1788
01:15:56,043 --> 01:15:56,143
you

1789
01:15:56,143 --> 01:15:56,673
know, you

1790
01:15:56,693 --> 01:15:59,003
find out at the end, there
was something the whole time.

1791
01:15:59,013 --> 01:16:01,993
And I knew there would be some
other big reveal because we already

1792
01:16:01,993 --> 01:16:03,103
revealed that they're witches.

1793
01:16:03,723 --> 01:16:05,453
That already got revealed early.

1794
01:16:06,223 --> 01:16:07,683
So there's gotta be something else.

1795
01:16:08,158 --> 01:16:10,888
So tell us, Right there in the
final, this is where the final,

1796
01:16:11,278 --> 01:16:14,648
the final act, like Susie does
reveal her true nature, right here.

1797
01:16:15,053 --> 01:16:15,513
Yeah.

1798
01:16:15,668 --> 01:16:16,148
What is she?

1799
01:16:17,223 --> 01:16:20,628
She ends up being
actually Mother Suspirium

1800
01:16:22,808 --> 01:16:23,248
Susie,

1801
01:16:24,073 --> 01:16:29,623
Mother Marcos has been calling herself
Mother Suspirium this whole time.

1802
01:16:30,453 --> 01:16:35,123
So everyone voted for her, believing
she was, she was the mother, the mother,

1803
01:16:36,243 --> 01:16:36,323
but

1804
01:16:36,363 --> 01:16:36,773
she wasn't.

1805
01:16:36,773 --> 01:16:37,446
That's

1806
01:16:37,638 --> 01:16:38,088
the mother.

1807
01:16:38,708 --> 01:16:39,368
Not the mama.

1808
01:16:39,368 --> 01:16:39,758
Remember that?

1809
01:16:39,768 --> 01:16:40,498
The dinosaur?

1810
01:16:41,158 --> 01:16:41,748
Not the mama.

1811
01:16:42,373 --> 01:16:43,193
not the mama.

1812
01:16:43,543 --> 01:16:48,333
Yeah, she was not, which, I mean,
that's exactly why we were taken

1813
01:16:48,333 --> 01:16:50,683
through this movie in a different way.

1814
01:16:51,318 --> 01:16:56,328
Um, Susie was experiencing something
else and it shows those flashbacks and

1815
01:16:56,328 --> 01:17:01,798
those dream sequences where Susie's
like, always wanted to go to Berlin,

1816
01:17:02,058 --> 01:17:08,018
always wanted to be a part of this dance
troupe, this specific dance company.

1817
01:17:08,768 --> 01:17:13,143
It was something she had known from the
moment she was born that she needed to go.

1818
01:17:13,723 --> 01:17:19,058
She had this drive to do because she
wasn't in a ritual that made her mother

1819
01:17:19,343 --> 01:17:19,493
Suspirium.

1820
01:17:19,973 --> 01:17:28,563
It was, she was reincarnated or reborn as
mother Suspirium and her Amish Mennonite

1821
01:17:28,903 --> 01:17:36,363
mother was dying on her deathbed and said,
I gave birth to the sin, to a mark of

1822
01:17:36,373 --> 01:17:38,468
sin on this world or something like that.

1823
01:17:38,728 --> 01:17:39,118
Yeah.

1824
01:17:39,408 --> 01:17:41,818
Yeah, that's, We didn't even touch that

1825
01:17:41,818 --> 01:17:42,058
scene.

1826
01:17:42,358 --> 01:17:42,508
And

1827
01:17:42,508 --> 01:17:43,898
that's very powerful right there.

1828
01:17:43,898 --> 01:17:46,678
So it's almost, that's a foreshadow
then, right there, where she's

1829
01:17:47,913 --> 01:17:49,673
letting you know that, Hey,
there's something a little bit off.

1830
01:17:49,963 --> 01:17:50,513
And

1831
01:17:51,783 --> 01:17:51,963
what

1832
01:17:51,963 --> 01:17:55,173
about the, what about, uh,
Helena Marcos right there?

1833
01:17:55,173 --> 01:17:58,963
making an appearance, the
old shriveled up version.

1834
01:17:59,263 --> 01:17:59,943
Oh,

1835
01:18:00,173 --> 01:18:00,893
That's Tilda!

1836
01:18:02,133 --> 01:18:02,663
yes.

1837
01:18:02,693 --> 01:18:06,400
That was, I mean, it's like
they went out of their way.

1838
01:18:07,258 --> 01:18:13,748
With costume, makeup, CGI, to
make her the most grotesque

1839
01:18:15,438 --> 01:18:18,958
creature I think I've maybe
ever seen in a movie, ever.

1840
01:18:21,248 --> 01:18:26,478
Like, limbs out of parts of her body?

1841
01:18:27,148 --> 01:18:27,988
Tumors?

1842
01:18:29,438 --> 01:18:31,638
Like, you can just, uh, ugh.

1843
01:18:31,638 --> 01:18:32,388
Oof.

1844
01:18:32,713 --> 01:18:33,053
pretty.

1845
01:18:33,213 --> 01:18:34,483
It's not pretty at all.

1846
01:18:34,783 --> 01:18:35,463
And,

1847
01:18:37,273 --> 01:18:37,923
thankfully,

1848
01:18:37,923 --> 01:18:39,093
Susie does her in.

1849
01:18:39,863 --> 01:18:40,383
Right here.

1850
01:18:40,473 --> 01:18:40,663
Like,

1851
01:18:40,693 --> 01:18:42,633
she, She gets right at her.

1852
01:18:43,283 --> 01:18:44,043
And

1853
01:18:46,343 --> 01:18:46,733
that's the

1854
01:18:46,733 --> 01:18:47,523
big reveal.

1855
01:18:47,533 --> 01:18:49,193
The twist, as you call it.

1856
01:18:49,988 --> 01:18:50,618
Was that She

1857
01:18:50,698 --> 01:18:51,258
is Mother

1858
01:18:51,558 --> 01:18:51,978
Suspirium.

1859
01:18:52,958 --> 01:18:55,448
Kills Helena Marcos, which
is Tilda Swinton right here.

1860
01:18:56,008 --> 01:18:57,768
And then, it's not over.

1861
01:18:59,828 --> 01:19:00,058
It's not

1862
01:19:00,058 --> 01:19:00,248
over.

1863
01:19:00,268 --> 01:19:00,878
You got the

1864
01:19:02,198 --> 01:19:02,968
aftermath, the epilogue,

1865
01:19:04,808 --> 01:19:10,918
uh, You also have the
appearance of Jessica Harper

1866
01:19:12,138 --> 01:19:12,548
Yes.

1867
01:19:12,828 --> 01:19:13,508
from our, from

1868
01:19:13,643 --> 01:19:14,813
From the original,

1869
01:19:15,573 --> 01:19:16,163
who was

1870
01:19:16,843 --> 01:19:20,863
Yosef Klemper's Wife.

1871
01:19:21,098 --> 01:19:22,188
Ank.

1872
01:19:23,268 --> 01:19:24,008
Ank, I believe is the name.

1873
01:19:24,813 --> 01:19:25,253
yeah,

1874
01:19:25,618 --> 01:19:27,358
What an incredible
cameo right here, right?

1875
01:19:27,973 --> 01:19:28,363
Right.

1876
01:19:29,313 --> 01:19:29,973
Yeah, that was

1877
01:19:31,013 --> 01:19:31,513
amazing.

1878
01:19:31,533 --> 01:19:35,643
And the fact that he gets lured
there for this ritual, he's

1879
01:19:35,653 --> 01:19:38,193
naked and sobbing on the floor.

1880
01:19:38,403 --> 01:19:39,603
He's gonna be sacrificed.

1881
01:19:39,643 --> 01:19:41,063
I'm sure that's why
they brought him there.

1882
01:19:41,263 --> 01:19:45,123
He was probably going to be another, you
know, human sacrifice for this ritual.

1883
01:19:45,613 --> 01:19:46,688
But he survives!

1884
01:19:46,988 --> 01:19:47,308
yeah,

1885
01:19:47,773 --> 01:19:52,193
Because she gets in there and she's
like, Ya dead, ya dead, ya dead.

1886
01:19:53,453 --> 01:19:58,973
The most bloody, gory scene where
this creature of death arrives

1887
01:19:59,503 --> 01:20:02,063
and just starts Bam, bam, bam.

1888
01:20:02,153 --> 01:20:07,483
Anyone who voted for Marcos, uh, Mother
Marcos in the original vote, what you

1889
01:20:07,503 --> 01:20:09,073
saw earlier in the movie, They get

1890
01:20:09,993 --> 01:20:10,773
exploded.

1891
01:20:10,903 --> 01:20:11,233
Yeah.

1892
01:20:11,318 --> 01:20:11,828
Deleted.

1893
01:20:11,828 --> 01:20:13,118
Just straight, boom, gone.

1894
01:20:13,688 --> 01:20:14,908
And Susie

1895
01:20:15,048 --> 01:20:15,918
erases Dr.

1896
01:20:15,918 --> 01:20:18,328
Klemperer's memories of the events too.

1897
01:20:20,308 --> 01:20:21,218
And that's basically it.

1898
01:20:21,848 --> 01:20:24,198
The film ends, You got Susie.

1899
01:20:24,548 --> 01:20:27,558
Revealing, uh, or Susie talking to Dr.

1900
01:20:27,558 --> 01:20:28,798
Klemperer about the

1901
01:20:29,148 --> 01:20:30,038
about what, his wife.

1902
01:20:30,868 --> 01:20:31,208
Yeah.

1903
01:20:31,208 --> 01:20:36,548
Tells, tells him the story of her death,
um, so that he can have some peace, I

1904
01:20:36,558 --> 01:20:38,838
guess, about, you know, she wasn't alone.

1905
01:20:38,868 --> 01:20:40,438
She was surrounded by other women.

1906
01:20:40,888 --> 01:20:46,288
She survived, I think, 20 days into
when, you know, after they were arrested.

1907
01:20:46,338 --> 01:20:49,688
And, um, anyway, just kind of
this really emotional scene that

1908
01:20:49,778 --> 01:20:51,378
was actually really emotional.

1909
01:20:51,378 --> 01:20:51,398
Yeah.

1910
01:20:51,876 --> 01:20:56,193
Uh, you know, Oscar worthy,
she's telling her like, I am

1911
01:20:57,113 --> 01:20:58,133
here to let you know.

1912
01:20:58,133 --> 01:20:58,583
She,

1913
01:20:59,333 --> 01:20:59,933
she,

1914
01:21:00,383 --> 01:21:02,153
you know, this is how she died.

1915
01:21:02,183 --> 01:21:05,063
This is what happened to her, so that
you cannot worry about it anymore.

1916
01:21:05,213 --> 01:21:06,563
You don't have to think about it anymore.

1917
01:21:08,098 --> 01:21:08,558
And that's

1918
01:21:09,638 --> 01:21:10,148
almost a

1919
01:21:11,358 --> 01:21:12,288
nice ending.

1920
01:21:12,508 --> 01:21:13,288
I don't know

1921
01:21:13,288 --> 01:21:13,928
what to say.

1922
01:21:13,928 --> 01:21:15,118
It's, right?

1923
01:21:15,253 --> 01:21:18,373
I don't know, I mean, this, at
this point you're like, so, okay.

1924
01:21:18,983 --> 01:21:23,903
Um, I assume, or at least a lot of people
on Reddit that I could see, assume that

1925
01:21:23,903 --> 01:21:25,823
she's now gonna take over the dance.

1926
01:21:26,573 --> 01:21:30,043
And she's going to be in charge and
she's going to take over the coven

1927
01:21:30,083 --> 01:21:34,353
and, and she's in charge now and
she's wiped out everybody who was not.

1928
01:21:34,898 --> 01:21:35,448
On board.

1929
01:21:36,348 --> 01:21:37,148
Yeah, basically.

1930
01:21:37,148 --> 01:21:37,378
it's,

1931
01:21:38,458 --> 01:21:38,898
yeah.

1932
01:21:38,898 --> 01:21:46,038
And so it's like this question of like,
so is she a good witch or a bad witch?

1933
01:21:46,098 --> 01:21:54,378
Or like, you know, she, uh, the
young Helena Marcos, it was clear

1934
01:21:54,378 --> 01:21:58,618
there was conflict because she didn't
like the way things were run and

1935
01:21:58,664 --> 01:22:00,958
she didn't like this sacrifice part.

1936
01:22:00,998 --> 01:22:02,998
She didn't like that
someone had to give up.

1937
01:22:03,668 --> 01:22:06,098
She's like, we've always
been at odds about this.

1938
01:22:06,858 --> 01:22:07,448
Um.

1939
01:22:07,768 --> 01:22:09,668
And they had kind of
contention about that.

1940
01:22:10,168 --> 01:22:16,848
So I, I wonder if the actual mother
Suspirium, if she's going to run this

1941
01:22:16,848 --> 01:22:21,928
dance studio a different way, or she's
going to be the one who is maternal

1942
01:22:21,948 --> 01:22:29,418
and, um, protects these girls and makes
it a safe haven for them instead of

1943
01:22:29,418 --> 01:22:31,228
doing it like the, the old lady did.

1944
01:22:31,898 --> 01:22:32,388
now

1945
01:22:33,388 --> 01:22:35,438
there's, there's a after credits scene.

1946
01:22:35,438 --> 01:22:35,858
Did you see that?

1947
01:22:37,668 --> 01:22:37,778
I don't know.

1948
01:22:38,038 --> 01:22:38,318
Did I?

1949
01:22:38,743 --> 01:22:39,873
Because in the after

1950
01:22:39,873 --> 01:22:41,933
credits scene it's Suzy, Dakota Johnson.

1951
01:22:42,683 --> 01:22:43,723
And she raises her arm

1952
01:22:44,753 --> 01:22:47,463
in a subtle gesture and it just
makes, it leaves the viewers

1953
01:22:47,993 --> 01:22:50,583
kind of feeling uneasy again.

1954
01:22:51,333 --> 01:22:51,763
I don't know if you

1955
01:22:51,908 --> 01:22:53,628
Oh, yeah.

1956
01:22:54,173 --> 01:22:54,753
It just adds

1957
01:22:55,053 --> 01:22:58,843
a new layer of interpretation
that you can take from it.

1958
01:22:59,173 --> 01:23:02,893
But I think it goes to your
point here, it leaves it open.

1959
01:23:02,953 --> 01:23:03,513
It's like,

1960
01:23:07,563 --> 01:23:08,253
But I like that.

1961
01:23:08,333 --> 01:23:11,773
I don't mind, I don't, like when
the movies tell you right out.

1962
01:23:12,338 --> 01:23:15,518
Yeah, it's kind of like midsummer,
you're not actually sure what's

1963
01:23:15,518 --> 01:23:16,728
gonna happen at the end of it.

1964
01:23:16,738 --> 01:23:18,958
Like, now what?

1965
01:23:20,098 --> 01:23:21,618
Same exact theme and concept

1966
01:23:21,618 --> 01:23:24,718
right here because you don't, exactly,
you don't know if she belongs.

1967
01:23:24,718 --> 01:23:26,158
It's that same sense of belonging.

1968
01:23:26,158 --> 01:23:31,368
You don't know if she belongs
with the witches just like, uh,

1969
01:23:31,398 --> 01:23:34,058
in Midsommar she belonged with
the May, the May Queen, you know?

1970
01:23:34,058 --> 01:23:39,348
Like, It's, it's, it's Yeah, that's
a, that's a great thing to, to kind

1971
01:23:39,348 --> 01:23:41,138
of pick out of that and another layer.

1972
01:23:41,568 --> 01:23:41,788
That's

1973
01:23:41,808 --> 01:23:43,938
just another layer that
they added to this movie.

1974
01:23:45,168 --> 01:23:46,078
else we got to hit on this?

1975
01:23:46,108 --> 01:23:48,348
What's your final thoughts
on 2018's The Spirit?

1976
01:23:52,323 --> 01:23:52,753
Oh,

1977
01:23:55,283 --> 01:24:00,433
yeah, I, okay, I keep going back to
the theme that we talked about a little

1978
01:24:00,433 --> 01:24:02,553
bit in last week's episode, Midsommar.

1979
01:24:02,943 --> 01:24:08,030
It does kind of have that same
vibe of like, here was Susie.

1980
01:24:09,153 --> 01:24:17,163
Um, um, I guess grew up in a very, like,
very religious, um, Mennonite, Amish, I

1981
01:24:17,163 --> 01:24:20,243
wasn't really sure which, but, uh, house,

1982
01:24:21,323 --> 01:24:21,533
um,

1983
01:24:21,563 --> 01:24:22,153
upbringing.

1984
01:24:22,483 --> 01:24:23,003
And

1985
01:24:23,973 --> 01:24:24,473
She

1986
01:24:25,163 --> 01:24:28,533
comes to this dance studio with
this same feeling of like belonging.

1987
01:24:28,943 --> 01:24:33,813
So even as we, the audience are unsettled
by these events happening and we feel like

1988
01:24:35,518 --> 01:24:37,598
Oh, that's uncomfortable, or
like, why is that going on?

1989
01:24:37,698 --> 01:24:42,508
Um, there's a scene where she goes, uh,
she sneaks into a room she's not supposed

1990
01:24:42,558 --> 01:24:46,638
to be in, and she happens to catch the
witches, like, have the, the police

1991
01:24:47,078 --> 01:24:47,568
Oh, yeah.

1992
01:24:48,528 --> 01:24:52,818
are like, bewitched, and, um, in a
trance, and they're just like, poking

1993
01:24:52,818 --> 01:24:57,383
fun at them, and laughing at them,
and, um, That would probably disturb

1994
01:24:57,393 --> 01:25:03,303
people, typically, but Susie just
laughs about it, and she's like, yeah.

1995
01:25:03,533 --> 01:25:07,003
So there's this sense that she is
not uncomfortable with all of this.

1996
01:25:07,453 --> 01:25:10,983
She is actually where
she's always meant to be.

1997
01:25:11,783 --> 01:25:16,113
And you get that, that same
theme of belonging in Midsommar.

1998
01:25:17,223 --> 01:25:21,463
Where it's like, yeah, we're all
a little uncomfortable with this

1999
01:25:21,493 --> 01:25:28,023
cult, this, uh, witchy evilness
going on, but the main character?

2000
01:25:29,183 --> 01:25:30,933
This is her, this is her jam.

2001
01:25:31,103 --> 01:25:32,913
She's like, I'm home!

2002
01:25:33,723 --> 01:25:34,993
That's a great, I love that because it's

2003
01:25:34,993 --> 01:25:36,033
like, yeah, yeah.

2004
01:25:36,033 --> 01:25:36,673
Um,

2005
01:25:37,563 --> 01:25:37,853
the,

2006
01:25:37,873 --> 01:25:41,233
the main characters are, are, they're
like, oh yeah, I'm good with this.

2007
01:25:44,043 --> 01:25:44,223
kind of.

2008
01:25:44,823 --> 01:25:48,143
I gotta, I gotta, I forgot, we
didn't mention, I gotta point out.

2009
01:25:48,413 --> 01:25:53,293
that We talked about the
Goblins soundtrack in 1977.

2010
01:25:54,123 --> 01:25:58,683
Hey, 2018 had Tom York from Radiohead
do his first score for a movie.

2011
01:25:59,343 --> 01:26:03,828
And it was, it was no
less Uneasy, unsettling.

2012
01:26:04,158 --> 01:26:06,958
We keep using that word, those
words, but it was no less.

2013
01:26:06,958 --> 01:26:07,988
It was very haunting.

2014
01:26:08,448 --> 01:26:09,358
It added to it.

2015
01:26:09,378 --> 01:26:11,148
It was another depth to the movie.

2016
01:26:11,148 --> 01:26:13,878
I think I love Radiohead.

2017
01:26:13,918 --> 01:26:14,698
I love Tom Yorke.

2018
01:26:14,708 --> 01:26:15,313
I love what he

2019
01:26:15,613 --> 01:26:17,053
I knew you would love that.

2020
01:26:17,103 --> 01:26:19,963
I knew that would be a point
you'd have to, to bring up, cause

2021
01:26:20,213 --> 01:26:20,513
yeah.

2022
01:26:21,618 --> 01:26:23,818
Let me tell you, side story.

2023
01:26:24,428 --> 01:26:25,678
I saw Radiohead.

2024
01:26:25,728 --> 01:26:29,888
I missed Radiohead in 2002.

2025
01:26:31,138 --> 01:26:31,318
We

2026
01:26:31,318 --> 01:26:36,018
bought the tickets so far in advance
that we forgot when the concert was.

2027
01:26:36,438 --> 01:26:37,688
Me and a friend of mine.

2028
01:26:38,318 --> 01:26:40,788
We woke up, we thought it
was this day, and guess what?

2029
01:26:40,788 --> 01:26:41,718
It was last night.

2030
01:26:41,738 --> 01:26:42,218
So,

2031
01:26:43,053 --> 01:26:43,153
Ugh.

2032
01:26:43,768 --> 01:26:43,978
he

2033
01:26:43,978 --> 01:26:48,428
gets his mom's credit card, and he buys us
front row tickets, second row tickets to

2034
01:26:48,428 --> 01:26:50,998
see Radiohead and Madison Square Garden.

2035
01:26:51,668 --> 01:26:55,268
So that's where I ended up seeing them
and it ended up working out better.

2036
01:26:55,268 --> 01:26:56,248
So I got to see that tour.

2037
01:26:56,758 --> 01:26:57,478
Incredible.

2038
01:26:57,618 --> 01:26:58,208
It was incredible.

2039
01:26:58,538 --> 01:27:01,138
Yeah, Tom York with the score.

2040
01:27:03,028 --> 01:27:07,228
Like, it just, that, along
with the visuals, both movies.

2041
01:27:08,243 --> 01:27:08,973
yeah,

2042
01:27:09,248 --> 01:27:10,198
movies compare

2043
01:27:10,208 --> 01:27:11,958
even though they're not
a, it's not a remake.

2044
01:27:11,988 --> 01:27:12,328
whatever.

2045
01:27:12,648 --> 01:27:12,818
I

2046
01:27:12,923 --> 01:27:17,773
but I think, I think, you know, I was
set up to kind of think it might not be.

2047
01:27:18,338 --> 01:27:22,648
Um, good or something when, when I heard
what the director had said about, you

2048
01:27:22,648 --> 01:27:25,748
know, it not being remake and I was
like, okay, well then I guess we'll just

2049
01:27:25,748 --> 01:27:28,078
see what, what happens when I watch it.

2050
01:27:28,088 --> 01:27:29,478
Like what, what is it going to be?

2051
01:27:30,108 --> 01:27:32,528
But I truly believe that it is.

2052
01:27:33,908 --> 01:27:36,618
The best kind of remake,
if it was a remake.

2053
01:27:36,668 --> 01:27:42,628
It's like, we did not try to
mess with what it was originally.

2054
01:27:42,978 --> 01:27:47,548
We just tried to make it
its kind of, um, new thing.

2055
01:27:47,578 --> 01:27:49,698
Come to the table with
something new, right?

2056
01:27:50,028 --> 01:27:51,028
mean they added an hour.

2057
01:27:51,088 --> 01:27:51,478
They added

2058
01:27:51,478 --> 01:27:53,298
an hour of extra content, is what I think.

2059
01:27:53,448 --> 01:27:55,148
Oh yeah, for sure.

2060
01:27:56,808 --> 01:27:58,008
I went to bed late that night

2061
01:27:58,308 --> 01:27:59,078
Yeah, right.

2062
01:27:59,198 --> 01:28:04,448
with visions of blood and gore in my mind
as I rested my head on my little pillow.

2063
01:28:04,878 --> 01:28:05,668
that's the best way to

2064
01:28:05,668 --> 01:28:05,828
go.

2065
01:28:05,828 --> 01:28:06,808
That's how I go every night.

2066
01:28:06,808 --> 01:28:07,138
So.

2067
01:28:08,468 --> 01:28:12,088
Well, next week we have
much tamer witch movies.

2068
01:28:12,448 --> 01:28:16,488
We've been doing some horror,
some really like out there.

2069
01:28:16,528 --> 01:28:23,548
Um, but, uh, the next two on the list are
my picks and I'm a little bit more of the

2070
01:28:23,798 --> 01:28:26,098
family friendly or subtle witch movies.

2071
01:28:26,548 --> 01:28:28,898
Um, great movies nonetheless, though.

2072
01:28:28,928 --> 01:28:30,188
I'm really excited to talk about

2073
01:28:30,478 --> 01:28:31,368
I can't wait to do that.

2074
01:28:31,860 --> 01:28:36,660
Wow, that is going to be two movies that
are going to be really tough to pick.

2075
01:28:37,100 --> 01:28:40,940
The old, original Suspiria,
and the newer, made one.

2076
01:28:41,740 --> 01:28:44,120
You know what, that was, like I
said, that was one of my first times,

2077
01:28:44,300 --> 01:28:49,580
kind of, well, one of my first times
seeing the older 1977 Suspiria,

2078
01:28:49,610 --> 01:28:50,900
because it's so hard to find.

2079
01:28:50,980 --> 01:28:55,590
I feel like when Amazon put out the,
the newer one, That they tried to erase

2080
01:28:55,590 --> 01:29:00,460
that old one because all the, the free
streaming services out there, you'd,

2081
01:29:00,570 --> 01:29:02,130
it would say, yeah, they have it.

2082
01:29:02,130 --> 01:29:03,220
And you look, it's not there.

2083
01:29:03,420 --> 01:29:03,850
So.

2084
01:29:04,220 --> 01:29:06,370
Yeah, it definitely deserves its due.

2085
01:29:06,560 --> 01:29:06,900
I mean,

2086
01:29:06,900 --> 01:29:08,250
Amazon, don't bury that movie.

2087
01:29:08,290 --> 01:29:09,530
Don't bury it.

2088
01:29:09,530 --> 01:29:10,480
Come on, Amazon.

2089
01:29:11,830 --> 01:29:14,240
It deserves its own place for sure.

2090
01:29:14,820 --> 01:29:19,390
But remember you can vote for which one
you liked and send those to our socials.

2091
01:29:19,530 --> 01:29:25,630
But, uh, All that leading up to
the event on October 26th at Novel.

2092
01:29:26,790 --> 01:29:32,990
Novel Daybreak by Crescent Communities
is sponsoring The Witch Movie Project

2093
01:29:32,990 --> 01:29:35,140
live podcast taping and movie screening.

2094
01:29:35,780 --> 01:29:38,920
If you want tickets to that thing,
look around on our social media.

2095
01:29:38,920 --> 01:29:40,770
You can find out how
to get tickets to that.

2096
01:29:41,330 --> 01:29:42,100
You don't want to miss it.

2097
01:29:43,520 --> 01:29:43,790
It's going to

2098
01:29:43,800 --> 01:29:45,230
be amazing and you can dress up.

2099
01:29:46,310 --> 01:29:50,200
Come on, ladies, put on your
witches and come on out to this.

2100
01:29:50,520 --> 01:29:54,090
If you don't dress up, I might not
let them in if people don't dress up.

2101
01:29:55,480 --> 01:29:56,190
That's a good idea.

2102
01:29:56,370 --> 01:29:56,640
Yeah.

2103
01:29:57,215 --> 01:29:57,485
Good old

2104
01:29:57,485 --> 01:29:58,715
fashioned frat party.

2105
01:29:59,915 --> 01:30:00,129
.
I wonder what I'm gonna wear.

2106
01:30:00,305 --> 01:30:02,255
What kind of costume
could I, can I pull up?

2107
01:30:03,295 --> 01:30:03,745
Hmm.

2108
01:30:03,820 --> 01:30:05,415
I have to, we'll have to

2109
01:30:05,415 --> 01:30:05,985
work on that.

2110
01:30:06,465 --> 01:30:08,895
Yeah, I need to, I gotta get, I'll
have to get it together quick though.

2111
01:30:08,895 --> 01:30:12,345
'cause this is coming up October
26th, once again at Novel

2112
01:30:12,345 --> 01:30:13,905
Daybreak by Crescent Communities.

2113
01:30:15,145 --> 01:30:16,165
Love all the people over there.

2114
01:30:16,315 --> 01:30:16,855
Got Max.

2115
01:30:17,155 --> 01:30:18,595
Randy, you got Esther?

2116
01:30:19,075 --> 01:30:20,215
Uh, Frito.

2117
01:30:20,455 --> 01:30:21,265
I got his name right.

2118
01:30:21,265 --> 01:30:21,560
I think.

2119
01:30:22,155 --> 01:30:22,715
Please tell me.

2120
01:30:23,625 --> 01:30:24,195
I love that.

2121
01:30:24,285 --> 01:30:25,515
I love all the people over there.

2122
01:30:26,645 --> 01:30:27,085
Amazing.

2123
01:30:27,195 --> 01:30:28,815
We can't wait to get
over there and do that.

2124
01:30:28,815 --> 01:30:32,125
And also, we can't forget
one of our sponsors.

2125
01:30:33,120 --> 01:30:36,060
It's Pure Sweat and Float
Studio at South Jordan.

2126
01:30:36,410 --> 01:30:43,000
Go to pure sweat studios.com or follow
them on social media at Pure Sweat South

2127
01:30:43,000 --> 01:30:46,090
Jordan, what else we got this week?

2128
01:30:46,090 --> 01:30:46,600
Is that it?

2129
01:30:47,480 --> 01:30:50,510
That and Lift Cake Parties is
helping us plan this event.

2130
01:30:50,510 --> 01:30:52,010
So let's not forget to mention them.

2131
01:30:52,310 --> 01:30:52,970
Lift cake parties.

2132
01:30:52,970 --> 01:30:56,120
I love Carla and all she does
this thing's gonna be incredible.

2133
01:30:56,125 --> 01:30:59,330
It's going, it's gonna, it's gonna
get, it's gonna get big over there.

2134
01:30:59,480 --> 01:30:59,805
It's gonna be crazy.

2135
01:30:59,805 --> 01:31:00,127
We're gonna be

2136
01:31:00,200 --> 01:31:01,340
turning people away at the door.

2137
01:31:01,340 --> 01:31:01,370
I

2138
01:31:01,610 --> 01:31:02,150
hope so.

2139
01:31:02,180 --> 01:31:02,870
We'll see you guys.