They snatched us up, threw us in their RV, and we hit the road. But part of it, I think, for me, was also was relatable, where I grew up in a situation where we didn't have a whole lot. Not totally my situation. I'm not on the streets, like trying to sling newspapers, but having to go out and really hustle and grind and work from a young age doing babysitting or mowing lawns or whatever it was, you know, just kind of odd jobs from a young age to try and get by. I was like, hey, I kind of understand a little bit what they're going through.

But I've got the means to do it. I want to give them stuff that I wasn't able to have. But what I don't want to give them is a sense of entitlement. The go-getter mentality sometimes repels people away from you. You see this in the sports world.

You see this in Hollywood, where there's a lot of success that's being had, but low levels of satisfaction because they're not doing those extra things. It's all about them. So you don't have to be given anything to become great. And a lot of times you become great because you had nothing. Welcome to Yes And Land, where we say yes to the reality of yesterday and today.

And we say and to the possibility, growth and imagination of tomorrow. Welcome to Yes And Land. Today, we are headed to the streets of New York City in 1899 with Disney's Newsies, which is the story of Jack Kelly, who is the best newsie in Manhattan. And he spends really most of the movie planning to leave it behind and go to Santa Fe or whatever other place it is, just not in New York City. Now, our guest today, he knows this movie by heart because as a kid, he watched it over and over and over again.

And we'll talk about exactly why that happened. And he is now 20 years, 20 years plus into a career in mortgages of a lot of years into doing mortgages. And he's here to talk about what I'm going to call going from a lone wolf to a leader, which is something that I think many people have experienced. But certainly the movie Newsies is a really good highlight of that. Some of the wounds that come from why somebody thinks they should be a lone wolf and to the evolution of stepping into helping other people and being a leader.

So it should be fun today. Yeah, I'm excited for it. It's going to be good. OK, so Kit, take us back to growing up in where I believe you grew up, which is Atlanta. Yep.

Atlanta, Georgia. Yeah, that was that was where I was born and raised. And my my grandparents, my grandparents lived down the road in Jacksonville, Florida. And and they they decided one one year that they were going to take me and my sister on a road trip out to Utah to do this like grandparents, grandkids camp, like dinosaur camp kind of thing in Vernal, Utah. And and and so so they they snatched us up, threw us in their RV and we hit the road, which is like a three or four day trip when you're breaking it up like they did.

Yeah. And RV, you can't exactly go fast. Oh, no. No. Like a slow grandparents plus RV.

Oh, yeah. You're compounding the slowness there. So so we had lots of time hanging out in you and the sister. Yeah. My sister, Mackenzie, is her name.

But yeah, and we had, you know, we took a couple took a couple of VHS videos in the in the little TV that has like the built in VHS player. Oh, yeah. And and one of them was was Newsies. And we put that in and we liked it. So we watched it again and we like watched it again and again, you know, all the songs.

And we're like trying to learn the songs and we're quoting the movie. And so we ended up watching it between, you know, three or four days there, three or four days back and watch that thing. I don't know how many times it was. It was probably at least 20 or more times that we we watched it on repeat and, you know, rewind sitting there, rewinding the movie and hitting play again. And so, yeah, so that was where the the love of Newsies was was birthed for me.

Well, I think I think it's something that, you know, kids today don't understand what it was like for us at that point in time going on long road trips because we didn't have devices, we didn't have a phone, we didn't have a tablet. And so most of the time it was like you read a book or you kind of try to play a game with your siblings. But the game is like, you know, the license play game or something. How's can we get out? How many railroad cars are on this train that are passing?

So it had to be quite the delight to be able to have a TV with at least a VHS. Oh, yeah, that was luxury. Yeah, that was that was money. Because watching watching a show 20 times right now, you think like, wow, why would you watch it that many times? Well, that's what you had.

And so you did. What was it about Newsies that made you want to watch it that many times and enjoy it as opposed to having a show on so many times that you're like, man, I hate it now. No, it was I think a lot of it was just obviously the the quality of the songs and like the the rebellion of the kids. And like it was it was really, I don't know, fun and entertaining. But part of it, I think for me, was was also was relatable, where I grew up in in a situation where where we didn't have a whole lot.

And and so, you know, the the luxuries of life were were very like few and far between. And so so then watching Newsies where you take these kids that really don't have a whole lot, but they've got each other and they band together and they rise above. And so that, I think, for me, kind of struck a chord a little bit, too, whereas like, hey, that's kind of like not totally my my situation. I'm not on the streets like trying to sling newspapers, but, you know, having to go out and really hustle and grind and work from a young age, doing, you know, babysitting or mowing lawns or whatever it was, you know, just kind of odd jobs from a young age. To try and get by is like, hey, like, I kind of understand a little bit what they're what they're going through.

So yeah. How do you think that learning those things at a young age of like, you know, I got to go out there and do some things. I got to go out there and work kind of hard to earn some extra money, to have some money for things. What what do you think that taught you that's helped you kind of in your career be successful and as successful as you are? Well, I think I think a lot of it is one, the work ethic, right?

You just got to get out of work hard like kids these days don't don't really value as much the strong work ethic, which kind of leads into the other piece of it, where it's I think now we're very much in a in a generation of instant gratification. And it's like, hey, like, all you got to do is hop on YouTube or on Instagram and you can make millions of dollars and like, you don't have to like work up to it or like, you know, do a whole lot. They see that. And there's so much more media. And we talk about the media and the media portrays it this way.

And that way. Well, now we've got the media has compounded like a hundred fold. And there's so much more media to influence everything even more than, you know, when we were kids and all that it was, was just like when you turn on the news, if you turned on the news, like that was it. Now it's like 24 seven. It's in your pocket.

And like, it's just there all the time. And so so now there's even more of the perception of being able to strike gold quick, sure. And get rich quick. And there isn't the portrayal of like, oh, it's hard. You have to grind.

You have to learn the discipline and the work ethic. And so so for me, you know, for us, I think, you know, it's kind of same same era of millennials where we're like we're like the old millennials, where like we understand and value technology, but also have that overlap of like the old school, just like grind it out and work hard. Yeah. Do you think do you think we also contribute to our kids kind of losing some of that work ethic? Because because I don't know, like, like I think about it when I was when I was growing up, like, yeah, I mean, if I wanted something extra, I had to go, I had to go Mollans.

But I had to. Like, I wasn't going to get that, you know, extra shirt or extra pants or the shoes that I really wanted unless I did that. And I wasn't mad about it. It was like, OK, I want that. I got to go get it now.

For the most part, I mean, at least, you know, for for kids that I'm around, for, you know, families that I've been around a lot of times, it's we just give our kids those things we don't we don't work with. OK, you got to go do some things, chores to go earn some money. And then you got to spend your money to do it. I think sometimes we've lost that a little bit. We just give our kids those things and we kind of empower that thinking.

Yeah, I think that it comes from I think that that stems off of two things. One, when when the generation of hard workers has has developed that they and we have have succeeded in current times. And so we have we have more of the means than our parents in the generations before us had. And so we have the the means to provide that for them when it's like, hey, we need this. And instead of like, OK, well, like, let's take the time to figure out whose lawn you could go mow and ask them.

It like takes more time. And so because of the inundation of like that instant gratification, like that's where I think as parents where it falls sometimes to like we don't take the instant gratification, but we give the instant gratification because it's like that's easier. And we're busy with our strong work ethic. Like we're too busy working hard. Good point to to pass that on to the next generation because without being intentional about it.

And so so between that and the evolution of of Amazon, where it's like, oh, yeah, we can get that tomorrow. Like or, you know, in the next like five hours, it'll be on your doorstep. And so so there's a combination of things that just empower us to just do it simple. And when we work hard, we've also identified ways to accomplish things faster and easier. And so it's just like, oh, yeah, we can get that done.

And so that's kind of our mentality. Yeah. And so if we don't slow down and recognize when our kid is asking for something and and switch to this is going to take some time, we can't get it done right away. You've got to earn it and work for it. So part of it is because of our strong work ethic, we're disabling our kids.

It's such a good point. I hadn't thought about it in that way, because when I think about OK, so I I have a business, I'm an entrepreneur. I went through schooling to do the things that I'm doing. I had to work hard to do it. I'm at work.

I'm making decisions all day. I'm holding people accountable. And it's really hard to like go home and be like, OK, now I'm going to do the same thing. OK, I'm going to hold them accountable and require that they do things, put in more effort because I get home and kind of like, well, I want to have fun. Yeah, we want to relax mentally.

Oh, yeah, I just want to go chill with them. I want to go hang out with them. Hey, you need something? Sure. I'll get it for you.

It's such an interesting point because, you know, we do. If you do work really hard and many in our generation know how to do that. I mean, I guess the private generation will argue we're lazy, but I don't think we are. I think we do work pretty hard. I definitely do that.

I definitely enable my kids that way. And in part, it's selfish because I don't sometimes want to put in the extra work to help guide them to delayed satisfaction, guide them to working harder for the things that they want. And the kids that do end up being the ones who just decide to. I mean, I I was actually really impressed with my oldest this summer. He's he's doesn't like school much.

He's getting better. He's a junior in high school. He's getting better. And I'm really glad that he is. He had to make the decision.

I couldn't force it. But he and his stepbrother just decided that like they wanted to do a business. They said they wanted to clean garbage cans of it. And so they find a power washer to borrow that somebody had. They go find the right chemicals to use.

They used AI to create little flyers to hand out and went around themselves and handed them out and cleaned a bunch of garbages and made some good cash. I didn't do anything. And I was like, I probably could have done more to encourage that. And he shouldn't have had to do it all on his own. But I love that he did because those lessons that he I'm sure that he took from doing that this summer, he's going to carry with him and things that he learned about.

OK, well, that didn't work. Maybe our pricing wasn't right. We didn't market well enough or because there was times where they spent four or five hours to make like 25 bucks. Because sometimes those garbage cans were really dirty, but they wanted to do a good job. And so I love the lessons they learned from that.

But it wasn't because of me. That's for sure. Well, and and sometimes I think that, you know, when you when you have those moments and you realize that opportunity to help out and help them do it the right way or more efficiently and price it better so that they're adequately compensated. Those are good reminders of of the opportunities that we have to to kind of set some of those things in motion. Yeah.

And not think that, OK, if if I try and slow down right now, that means I got to slow down all the time and do everything for them and guide them and be a business part, an unpaid business partner on a lot of those things. But to just do it once and set it in process where it's like, hey, what do you think and like put it on them like, dad, can I have this? Well, yeah, like how much how much money do you have? What like me? I'm like, I don't know.

Like I've got some cash in the piggy bank. But like but like taking the time to have those conversations. And then as you do that, then it's it spurs those ideas of like, OK, well, I don't have that much money. How much money could I get? And and and so we've kind of what we've done in our our our family is we've kind of set a precedence of like, yeah, if you want something, you can have it like you can.

You can get it right away if you've if you've got the money to do it. Like that's that's your money. You're welcome to use that. And then and there's times where they want something big. And and so to say, hey, like you want a like for a while, it was like the like the high end scooters.

Oh, yeah. Two hundred, three hundred bucks. And said it like the the twenty dollar razor scooter. And and so that was the thing. And it was like, they're like, dad, can we have this?

It's like, man, like, that's going to be hard for for my like nine year old to to come up with 300 bucks. Yeah. But I've got the means to do it. I want to give them stuff that I wasn't able to have. But I what I don't want to give them is a sense of entitlement.

And so so then what we kind of honed in on was like, we'll go halves. We'll go halves with you on big, big ticket items. So that way, they still have to work their butt off to save up 150 bucks. But if they do that, then, you know, I can match that either as part of like Christmas or part of their birthday, or if I'm feeling super generous and just want to do it randomly so that they know that they've got my support to help with that. But I'm not just giving it all to them and taking away that opportunity for them to develop the work ethic, for them to be have the creative mindset to build, build the business, hand out flyers, create the flyers, like do all of that to to learn how to how to have those skills for the rest of their life.

And so by doing that, then it's, you know, then they started coming to me and saying, Dad, will you go half with me? So then it's not just like, yeah, give me, give me, give me. It's just like, Dad, like if I put in some hustle and grind, you know, can you spot me the rest of the way? And that's much more acceptable to me than than just being like, oh, yeah, well, I've got I've got an extra 300 bucks. So, yeah, I got you.

Like, here you go. Yeah. Besides this podcast, I actually own a law firm, RCG Law Group. And I'll be honest, most people think only about calling a lawyer when something has gone sideways already. We'd rather you know who we are before that happens.

So if you ever need us, we're right here. And it's hard to because a lot of other kids are getting that. They're getting it given. I mean, when when when your kids go to their friend's houses and they just see all these things that they get and you know, they wonder why they can't just have those things. And again, like you're saying, like even when you have the means to do it, because you probably could like, yeah, I could give you all those things.

But then it just doesn't have the same impact. I remember my parents did a great job of this very thing. And it made me think of it when you were talking about it, which is I wanted a new mountain bike. I had a crappy old one. I don't remember what it was.

It was probably a hand me down of some sort, right? Like what we could do. And I really wanted this huffy bike. It was white and it was cool. And they made me work for it and say for it.

And then they ended up helping me. And I don't remember what the split was because the split wasn't important. I knew that I had to work to get it. And the prior bike that I had, I would leave it out on the driveway all the time. I would leave it out behind the cars because I was lazy.

Right. And then my parents, like back in those days, you didn't have a backup camera. And so, you know, if I'm leaving the car, the bike out, like, man, they're going to run it over one of these days. Well, once I saved up the money for that huffy, I never left it in that goal. Oh, I did.

I absolutely did. I loved that thing. And the difference was all in what I had to save to earn it and to do it. And, you know, I I never want to like pass judgment on people for things they do for their kids. There's certain things that I think I want to do different, which is I hear a lot of people say like, well, my kids are going to go to college and I got to pay for their college.

And that's great, right? If they can pay for the college, it's wonderful. My parents didn't pay for my college. I either got scholarships or I got student loans. It's just what I did, right?

Like, that's what I had to do. And it's it's almost like it's this foregone conclusion, because in the divorces we do, that's something that comes up a lot. Well, hey, if I got to pay for college, is my ex now going to have to pay for it as well? Well, no. And you don't have to either.

Well, why not? Because I'm going to. Well, the court's not going to make you. You don't have an obligation to pay. Your kid could figure it out.

You know, now, again, like people want to provide assistance to their kids. And that's good. Like we want kids to get education. We want them to do those things. But when you just give it to them, they're not going to value that education as much.

I don't think that's the important thing is realizing what you are taking away from them by giving something to them. Yeah. And people don't slow down to do that. Like, it's not like they intentionally were like, oh, I want to entitle my kid. And I want to just, you know, make sure life is easy on them.

They're not thinking that. But they're just, you know, just moving through like this is what this is what my parents did for me. This is what I want to do for them. And they're not taking time to slow down. Just be like, OK, how can how can we both benefit?

How can we make sure this is being done the best way for for them? And maybe and it might be decided on that that is the best way to help your kid is to give that to them, pay for their college because of their emotional needs or their circumstances. Like, you know, kids are very there's such a broader range, I feel like, of of like thought process and emotional needs and things that they understand and better now, too. Yeah. And so so it's there and you might hone in and decide on that.

But take the time, at least, to think about the options and decide and look at it and decide which one is best instead of just looking at one option saying, yes, we're going with this because it's the only option, not just not the best one. Yeah, that's a great point. So let's let's bring this into Newsies. Yeah. So if anybody hasn't seen Newsies that might be listening or watching, maybe give like an overarching storyline, like what's going on in Newsies?

What's the broad thing that's going on throughout this story? Our main characters, what the struggle is to kind of set the stage as we as we talk about this fantastic Disney movie, which then became a Broadway musical. Yeah. So, yeah, so the the setting, like you said, is is in New York back when the newspaper companies were trying to make more money off of these kids. And so you've got a group of Newsies, the boys that are are selling the newspapers on the streets.

And they have to go in and purchase the newspapers up front and spend spend money to then go out and sell and try and make a profit. And so if they don't end up selling all of them, then they could potentially be losing money. And the newspaper agencies get together and say, hey, we're going to raise the price of our papers to the Newsies. And so then it's costing them more. And they're like, we're like the poorest ones out here.

Why are we getting charged while, you know, these guys making tons of money or just sitting in their fancy offices? And and so so that was kind of like the premise of everything. And so you've got Jack Kelly as the main character, where his dream is to get out of it one day, like make enough money that he can just leave and go to go to Santa Fe that he refers to it as and which to him was more of a fictitious place than an actual place, but just somewhere away where he claimed his family was at. But, you know, find out later on that not all that was totally, totally accurate. But he just wanted to get away and just be, you know, be in a place where he thought he could be a lot more happy and just content with life.

And and then there's a family that's fell on on hard times that comes in and sends their boys to the workplace to go and and be Newsies to be able to help out at home and provide for their family. Because the dad got injured or something. Yeah, yeah. Dad gets gets injured at work. And so he can't he can't work.

So there's no income for the family. So the boys show up and they're they're kind of the clean cut polish kids and the street kids, the orphans that are that are working or looking at them like, wait, who are these who are these kids? And and so Jack Kelly comes in and is like, hey, like, I'll help you out. Like, if you pay me a piece of what you're selling, like I'll teach you I'll teach you the ways. And, you know, he looks at that as an opportunity for him as a business opportunity.

And as the movie progresses and the the increase in the cost of the papers, then it evolves into like him not just helping this family, but helping like all of New York, all the newsies in the different different suburbs and areas of New York to band together to kind of fight and revolt against the price increase. And it's just, you know, it's all the feel goods. Of course, every every every good movie has a happy ending. Right. And so it gets into into that where where they they make a deal with the newspaper companies, with the big big dogs.

And Jack Kelly ends up ends up deciding maybe Santa Fe isn't where what is going to make me the happiest. And he realizes having led all these people, led the family, led the the newsies, that that's, you know, that's become his family and that's become what what's made him happy. And it starts off as just like me, me, me. I need money. I got to get by to accomplish my dreams.

And then his dreams pivot into the feel goods of like, I can make a difference and help other people. Yeah. And I think it's why I mean, it's it's why Disney stories are so good. Yeah, because it has things that are relatable. It has things that we understand that we can connect with.

So when we take it back to the beginning, right, before they do the strike, you're saying with with Jack and he's thinking he wants to go to Santa Fe. Right. A couple of things, a couple of quotes I pulled out that kind of I think help us understand him a little bit better because I mean, he says his name is Jack Kelly and says his family is waiting for him out west in Santa Fe. But we find out at some point in time, I think when he's in front of a judge, they say this boy's real this boy's real name is Francis Sullivan. His mother's deceased.

His father's a convict. And then later in another part, when he's talking with Sarah, he says, I'm just not used to having whether I stay or go matter to anybody. So what's what do you see is like the wound that he has? Why is it that he is at the beginning here, really this lone wolf looking out for himself? Right.

He's wanting to bring in less than David just so we can make money off of him. Right. So he can do it for himself. He wants to leave for himself. If it's very much about him, or at least he thinks it is, what's the wound that you see there that he has?

I think that there's there's that emotional void of having somebody care about him and some someone to guide him and him just being on his own. And and so he makes makes that comment of like, you know, I'm not I'm not used to anyone caring about whether I come or go like and have that family or that person in his life. And it's just like he can just do whatever he wants. And so he's got that that emotional emptiness that it's just like he hasn't he hasn't had that. He hasn't had had the opportunity to really feel that ever until that point in his life.

And so it's all so by by nature, it's has to have been about him like self-survival and like what's in it for me and how much how much can I get from it and where's more opportunity for me and and not seeing like, well, how can I how can I fill that emotional void with like maybe I can help somebody or maybe I can like may have, you know, contribute to the greater good like that thought hasn't even crossed his mind at that point in the story because he didn't have he wasn't surrounded with with those opportunities to even think that way. Yeah. And I think it created a high degree of mistrust for him. Because when he's first introduced to this family, right, less than David, is that? Yep.

And they bring him to their to their house and he meets parents and meets the sister and then doesn't want to stay the night and he's going to leave. And it's kind of like, I think to some degree, he didn't trust. But also, I think he didn't think that he deserved to have that. You know, I don't think he understood like, no, wait, you don't have to do this alone. No.

You know, and it took some things and some experiences and seeing more of that to open his eyes to that. Yeah, it was it was very uncomfortable for him to even accept that. Like, you know, you kind of see in the portrayal in the movie where it's like, that would be cool. Sounds kind of nice. But like, that's not that's not me.

Yeah. That can't be for me. Yeah. Right. I don't deserve that.

That's not that's not what I got. I have to do it by myself. Yeah. So then there's there's that level of just discomfort with it, because it's such a new idea to him. And and doesn't doesn't feel deserving of it.

It's like that's not my upbringing. And so thanks for the offer. But I know that, yeah, that you don't mean it. And that's not really for me. Yeah.

And here's one of the things I think is really interesting about this character, because even though that's the case, he's got these deep wounds, you know, he has an orphan because his mother's deceased, his dad's obviously in prison. And yet there was there was moments and things even during that time that he was doing to help other people, where he was actually showing really what his character was. What are some of the things that you can think of that you can remember from what he was actually doing to serve and help others that wasn't actually selfish? Yeah, I think that that he had had he'd filled that that need of a family with the other orphans or with the with the orphanage, the little old man that was there. And those were the people that like, you could really see him like standing up for and wanting to protect.

And that became became his family, although it wasn't like a normal structured family with rules and disciplines and things like that. So there's a lot of things that we're missing from it. But it was like, hey, like, this is my brother and I'm going to stand up for him. And so then as the movie progresses, then you see how he he takes on that role of kind of like the older brother and says, hey, like, we're not going to we're not just going to tolerate this. Like, we're going to stand up, we're going to fight, we're going to strike, we're going to do these things.

Follow me. And then they know the younger brothers, the rest of the newsies feed off of that energy. And so they take that courage as a result of him kind of leading that way. And and then that's where it gets fun and exciting. Seeing seeing all the newsies bond together and have that brotherhood to to fight against the the big, the big deep pockets and the ones that are not mindful and caring of of those kids.

What do you think changed for him in that process to start coming to the realization that it was it was about those relationships that he was building with the people that around him, the other newsies with less than David, with their family? I think part of it had to had to do with less than David when they got introduced and he's seeing someone new coming in like that, that doesn't normally have to be in that position. And then when he met their family and realized, like, they're these people are taking care of each other. There's those bonds and those connections where they're willing to do the unnecessary for the necessary, like to to be able to go out on the streets and seeing seeing that support in that group, I think, prior to that for him was like very unintentional. Like, oh, well, I got no options.

And these are the only people around me. So these are going to be my family where it wasn't this like conscious effort of like protecting them and helping provide for them is just kind of more of like a natural evolution. And then he goes and sees that happen and starts really getting the wheels turning and you start seeing that leadership quality come out in him where he's like, oh, like, these guys are sticking up for each other. And then it evolves into him sticking up for hundreds of kids and thousands as the movie kind of portrays. And so I think that that was maybe a pivotal moment where he just seeing the bond and the love of that family camaraderie and teamwork.

Yeah, yeah. Here's a quote that I found from john c. Maxwell, I think fits really well here. I get your take on it. He said success, sorry, success happens when you add value to yourself.

But significance happens when you add value to others. Give me your take on that. Yeah. Anybody, I think with the right work ethic, can find success. Like, there's there's enough go getters, like there's a there's a book that I love called the go giver.

Yeah. And it's it basically takes the concept of the go getters where it's like, hey, you can hustle, you can grind, you can provide for yourself, things can be fine for you. But the go giver mentality is basically that where it's the significance, like what impact are you leaving on someone else? How are you helping direct other people's lives and encouraging and inspiring them? And, and so the go giver is basically taking that same attitude of like, we're gonna make it happen no matter what and pivoting, pivoting that to others to like, I'm going to give no matter what, like you say something, I'm going to give you something.

Like whether you ask for it or not, just because you commented and, and being that type of person that that really attracts other people in where the go getter mentality sometimes repels people away from you. And so there's, there's a gap sometimes. And you see this, you see this in the sports world, you see this in Hollywood, where, where like, there's a lot of success that's being had, but low levels of satisfaction because they're not doing those extra things. It's all about the people that are doing it. It's all about them.

And they're flashy, fancy houses and cars and like all the things that that are very superficial and less attention that they pour into, like giving and then you see you see those sometimes as well. Sometimes the media catches on to that. And you see the NBA stars or you see the Hollywood superstars and actors and actresses that they're being highlighted for their charity work. They're being highlighted for like going out in the community being cool taking pictures and signing autographs and stuff like that where you can see like, the the happiness and satisfaction there as opposed to the ones that end up going bankrupt hooked on drugs and like all these things because they're so focused, it's very much to go getter. Mentality and finding like success for me and not finding significance like yeah, Johnson Maxwell mentions.

Yeah, yeah, I love that. That's a great depiction of that. So as we continue to look at Jack story, and as he starts to develop these leadership skills and actually starts thinking about these others, right? There's a scene where I feel like he does a really good job of showing some leadership, and so it's in a point where they're getting ready to do this strike and they're talking about what it needs to look like. And somebody says, I don't know what character is, it says that it might just be from the general newsies crowd, but they say keep talking Jack, tell us what to do.

Man, Jack says the choice has gotta be yours. Are we gonna take what they give us or are we gonna strike? And and so instead of just making that decision for him, because at that point time, like clearly they're wanting to follow him. But he doesn't just say you have to do this, he's he's pushing it back to say you've got to make a choice and empowering them. What are some of the lessons you think that we can take from that as we have these opportunities either chosen or kind of thrust on us to lead?

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Maxwell quote, right? Like you can find success by like if you get you get to a certain point where you can find stuff on your own, you can make things happen. But you get to a point where you need other people because you don't only have so much time. So the success can be continued with other people supporting you and doing everything you say. But if you're going to leave behind a legacy and be significantly significance and impact, you've got to empower those people that are supporting you to become more than they currently are.

Instead of just being like, okay, like you do this, you'll never do anything more. You'll never become anything more. You're here for me. And turning to them and saying, okay, well, what do you think? And that happens a lot of times, you know, I've learned over the years and business where instead of empowering or enabling, I guess is a better word, enabling people that work for you and with you to be trained on coming to you for answers, to be training them how to find answers to create solutions themselves.

And so when they come and say, hey, like, what, what do we what do we need to do in this situation kit? Instead of just being like, oh, well, I know the answer. Here's here's the answer. This is what you're going to do. Go do it.

To pause again, kind of going back to, you know, teaching kids and empowering them to to have better work ethic and not be entitled going to your your employees and saying, well, what do you think? What do you think we should do? Like, I know the answer. I'm not going to tell you. Like, tell me what you think.

And they might even come up with something better. But what a lot of times they'll come up with is the same thing that you would have told them. But it's starting to teach them like, hey, like, I can figure this out. My my ideas and my solutions are valid. So I can validate that for them instead of training them and teaching them.

Just come ask me, then it takes me more time to get something done because I have to stop what I'm doing, give them the answers. And it takes that away and empowers them. To get things figured out. And then they start trusting themselves and their solutions. And they get stuff done.

And they come to me later, like, hey, just so you know, kit, this was an issue, but I got taken care of. Here's what I did. My sweet. And that's where that's where an employee becomes more valuable that you want to keep on and not have to replace that you want to give raises to and promotions. And you can as a business owner, can focus on the things that you do best and allow everyone else.

To increase their capabilities, increase their own opportunities to earn more, give more, do more, have a deeper impact and significance. How, how do you navigate it when you're trying to empower an employee to come up with ideas to come up with solutions? And they come up with a terrible one? Clearly not going to work, right? Like, it's just, it's not a good idea.

It's not a good path to take. It's going to be detrimental. How do you still validate them going through the process of coming up with an idea, while still guiding them to different solutions that that will actually work? So I think that helping them think one one more step ahead. So like you said, validate them say, I love that you thought thought that through.

Thank you for coming to me and I teach my employees, like, hey, like, if there is a situation, don't just come to me with the problem, come to me with a potential solution. Even if it's not the right one, I just want you to be thinking about it. So they know, like, hey, like, I've got to go to kit with a potential solution, not just a legit problem. And so if it's not the right one, then instead of just be like, that's a terrible, why would you think of that? Why would you do that?

helping them think through that a little bit more and just say, yeah, that's a that's a love that you thought that through. If we did that, what are the what are the potential things that might come up as a result? Like, what do you think the consequences could be? And if they don't come up with something, then and they're just like, Oh, I don't know, this is just all I could think of. It's like, okay, well, I, again, love that you came up with a potential solution.

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Thank you for coming to me. Thank you for coming You're just training them because a lot of these people You know there that are that are used to just being an employee and just showing up and just like clock in clock out We get paid like they're not in a habit of Thinking things through and having to create solutions because their income doesn't rely on that necessarily like it does in the long run, but immediately not so much as a business owner where a business owner is is always like Thinking ahead like because we like are analyzing everything is like if this if this doesn't close if the the family doesn't get taken care of This doesn't go well like we're not gonna get paid The salaries are still getting paid because that's the what we've promised and guaranteed and so so they're not always Trained and thought that way kind of again going back to the parenting methods right of like how do we just like what do you think? What can you do? What's what would that result in and helping train their brains and their thought process just to think a little bit more Like the the person that's that's running the business Yeah, and what's interesting too is I think to some degree too if we're not you so we've got to train ourselves to do that Yep, and and what I would say is you don't have to have the perfect way to say those things initially just try No, just try to ask you know it whether that's your kid or to your employee or somebody who reports to you Try asking them try asking them for the input Put yourself out there to try to good the extra mile for them So that they can learn it because that actually is it's hard and it's a skill You're gonna learn that skill if you develop that skill Of coaching and guiding them and realizing it's a it's a long-term investment Totally it's like if you do that short term it takes you more time Long term takes you way less time Because you teach somebody how to do that and they can go do it forever Then the rest of the time you don't have to be the one doing it all the time But another quote that it makes me Reminds me about that what I've got written down here. I think it's really good by Simon Sinek and he says leadership has nothing to do with being in charge and Everything to do with taking care of those in your charge Love that so for you what does that what does that look like for you of taking care of those in your charge?

And how do you see in this movie Jack doing that? Yeah So Taking charge is is kind of the ones that just like are demanding tell people what to do People will do it cuz they got a got a paycheck or whatever, but they don't love it And if they ever have another opportunity come up, they're gonna they're gonna leave and go do something something different something else and so the ones that that care for the ones that they're in charge of Are the ones where if you can Portray that sense of care for those people then they'll do anything for you. They're there. They'll be with you forever And they'll do anything for you. So like in the example of Jack Kelly where he's like, hey, we could get beat up We could we could be losing tons of money cuz we're gonna go on strike and we're not gonna be able to eat and feed our families and he's like trying to convince these people to do that and They're like, yeah we're in and That's because he's he's looking at the big picture the long-term benefits of doing that and He explains to them why he's like are we just gonna take this like if we take this now What are they gonna what are they gonna do to us in the future, but if we stand up to them Then that gives us a much better position.

And so Doing that and explaining that to them why it's good for them. They respect him they bond with him and then they're like, yeah We'll fight with you. Like we'll we'll take the blows we'll we'll take the hit on on the income and and having to you know, drink water at the cafe and not get the you know the the good stuff and And so things like that where if if that's the sense that you're giving then it's like yeah, we'll do we'll do whatever you want and so you know we see that in the business world too where you take care of people that are that are supporting and helping you and They'll do other things for you. It's like hey like kit I know that you and your wife are going on a date like Can do you want us to come over and take care of the kids for a little while or you need us to? You know, I'm running out to an errand you want me to grab some food for you and that little things where they're like Actually, they go the extra mile for you when they when they feel that sense of belonging and family and care.

Yeah, and and Again, it's one of those things to skill You have to you have to care about it and not to try to develop that skill No, some people are more inclined to be thoughtful in that way and that comes really natural and easy and other people are not and ultimately To be an effective leader to any degree you have to care enough about your people to look for opportunities to serve them Yeah, just not easy. Yeah, it takes time to develop that that intuition and that that visibility onto what their real needs are because like my my personal Personality type is very much like efficiency get things done. And so I find myself I've learned over the years That that I have to slow down and evaluate before like once I decide on something and get things done or I type up An email or whatever like I've got a pause and look at like, okay How does how is this coming across like in my mind? I'm not I'm not being ill me intended or anything It's just like I'm just trying to get things done. Like I'm not trying to be rude but I have to pause like I think about my emails all the time and I'm like I Get that done and it's just like I'm not like mad or anything, but then like Let me add a sentence.

Thanks so much for thinking about that. Thanks very much for reaching out Go ahead and get that done. Yeah, like little things like that of just like how how are you adapting your personality type because You know somebody that has my same personality type is not gonna get offended with with my short response. That's efficient Yeah, but someone that is more of like the feeler You know bubbly personality expressive type like they want to feel good and they're gonna see that email be like Get mad at me. And so So I think it takes it takes intent to create a habit and so you you've got to Put in your mind like what am I what do people complain ask for honest feedback from people and then when you when you have that Yeah, okay.

I'm gonna slow down when I send my email So I'm gonna I'm gonna slow down when I interact with other people. I'm gonna try and pay attention I'm gonna set a goal this week of like what are two things I can buy for somebody when they're like, oh, yeah Like, you know, I probably need to get this I'm gonna have to find it somewhere and thinking like okay Like maybe I can do that for them I can find something and give them give it to them unexpectedly and and so it takes a little more intentionality because that's not for me as efficient with my time to pause and do that, but gives me that sense of significance and Makes it more fun to just associate and be with people. Yeah for sure, you know, I one of the things I heard you talk about was being willing to like take the feedback if somebody's telling you and You know one of the things that that we try to do we do Weekly one-to-ones and in those weekly one-to-ones one of the agenda items every single one-to-one is two-way feedback We give feedback to the employee and we ask for feedback from them Yeah, and they still have to trust you enough to give it so you still got to build a relationship there it's not like a You know a silver bullet to understanding what you could improve on but if you have a relationship of trust Ask, you know provide the environment in which people can actually give you feedback and then when you get it Actually, like take it well do something with it Because if you just take the feedback and then you want to argue with them about it Yeah, like you you don't want your employee doing that when you give them feedback you give them feedback and they just want to argue about it That's not gonna be effective You got to model the same behavior if you're gonna ask them for feedback and they give you something even if you're like Well, I'm not really sure that that's overly helpful Acknowledge that they were willing to tell you. Hey, you know what? I really appreciate you give me that feedback That really gives me something to think about.

Hey, thank you for letting me know my emails come across a little Kurt That's actually very helpful for me to know because it's not my intention But if I didn't know you felt that way I couldn't I couldn't change or adjust for you And so modeling the receiving of the feedback while providing that opportunity can be really really helpful As you're building relationships with your with your people with your employees for sure So, okay. Let me ask you this question because this kind of made me think about this a little bit, too you know in our In our prep we talked a little about the difference between like a players and C players. Mm-hmm When you have when you try to have a culture where you really care about your employees where you're trying to go the extra mile for them When you're trying to provide opportunities for coaching them and helping them improve How do you how do you differentiate between those that are a and C players Because you know part of me Part of me always has this thought to like okay somebody's a C player Are they always a C player? Are they a C player in that job? Are they see player because they don't have the right training could they actually be a beer and a player?

With the right coaching how do you differentiate between that? Somebody who has the potential to be an a player and somebody who truly is a C player This is not the right place for them. It's not the right culture for them and you got to move on Yeah, I think a lot of it has to do With giving giving them the opportunity and then observing how they how they treat that feedback That you're giving to them And so for me a lot of times it's just like how many times do it how many times do I have to ask this person? To do it before it becomes instinctive and and a habit for them because a lot of times, you know It's just not in someone's nature where it's just like yeah, like this is the job and and I can get it done But if you only if you tell me to it's like, okay, I got it done And then I'm like, hey, did you get it done? And it's like, oh, do you want me to do that again?

It's like Well, okay. I need to do a better job. Of course mentoring and coaching and saying hey this is something I want you to do all the time and and being able to have a direct conversation with somebody and saying hey like This is this is part of what I want you to do like you've got to get good at It the interview process of being like being able to clearly explain like here's the job description that you need to do So that's one part of it But if you if you skipped something you didn't explain things clearly then you've got to make sure that it's real clear Like hey, this is what you need to do Like I know that we didn't cover that in the interview process or when we first hired you but with everything changing like this Is part of the job now Are you okay doing that and then getting them to verbally commit to doing that and then if they don't do it saying hey I know that you didn't get this done Do you have any questions or issues with doing that and then they can say yeah makes me uncomfortable or no It doesn't make me uncomfortable or anything. I just forgot and I didn't do it. Okay, cool like moving forward This has to be something that done is done on a regular basis And if it's not then we might have to reevaluate things aka we might have to fire you And so so then there's some heads up and it's not just like well This person's not getting it done because if we if we let somebody go without giving them the opportunity to improve We're gonna do the same thing with the next hire.

We're gonna hire someone else. We're not gonna explain things very good They're not gonna do what we thought We needed them to do but they didn't know that we were thinking that and so then we have to go through that whole Game again of until we get lucky and we find somebody that just happens to be like oh like I'm gonna take the initiative Problem with those people as employees a lot of times those those ones that take the initiative and figure things out a lot of Times like those are gonna those are people that are gonna grow to a point where they're gonna be like, hey, you know what like I Don't I don't need to support you anymore because I can do this on my own and so So I think it's that it's just going through a process of clearly defining the the rules and the needs giving them the opportunity explaining to them that this is like a must or things are gonna change and Then if things don't change then it's an easy decision and it's not a surprise to them. Yeah Yeah, I think one of the things in that process of the accountability stuff that I see leaders sometimes not doing fully is Is kind of like you've indicated like actually getting the commitment from them. They're gonna do it different Because we can be clear about what the expectation is But like I think you actually need them to commit to doing it different Like will you do this and that sounds like it's easy to do but I've just seen Leader after leader not actually asking for that level of commitment So then when you go and have the next accountability discussion if they committed to doing it It's so much easier for conversation. This is something you committed doing you didn't do it.

Help me understand Why I suppose you're like, well we talked about this before and you should do it So we'll talk about it again and still not getting their commitment like have somebody commit there if they're making a commitment They're making a promise and then it's an easier accountability discussion if they break that commitment to you and tracking that stuff, right? Like yeah, you get right notes of the conversation when it happened and then the next time you meet it's like hey Let's go over last time. Can I do a quick recap? Hey, this is the things we talked about. How do you feel?

It's going it's going great. I did those things you talked to me about cool Like I noticed that that was great when you did that Or no you didn't and so like yeah, do we need to change course here or can we get this get this back on on track? It's a great point you mean you have to you have to take notes on it you have to write those things down you Can't just leave it a chance You know using if you do meetings and yet they're virtual or something like that and you use a recording thing and you use the idea Do it up great fantastic, right? Absolutely, but it's got to be written down so that there can be the appropriate level follow-up and you're on the same page about what? That follow-up is so you don't have misunderstandings about it either.

Yeah, because if you both turn to go off a memory It's not gonna lead to good good results people will always remember things differently so when we when we're kind of wrapping up the story here, right and we're looking at you know, what ends up happening and Jack's gonna make some mistakes. He's gonna maybe leave and then ultimately he decides not to right and After the strike is one that kind of this is what I wrote down In a carriage I think and and he can't any climbs down he's talking to Governor Roosevelt and he says Thanks for the advice governor. Like you said, I still got things to do besides I got family here And so, you know what what is the resolution that he ends up coming to that keeps him there with that feeling? How does he grow from being that lone wolf to being a leader with purpose in a sense of belonging? Yeah, it's as as the the movie evolved You he sees the impact he can have on other people what he did for other people and He that void that he thought was Going to Santa Fe being somewhere else Was was filled.

So now the newsies Lesson David's family like he's got obviously Sarah like that's there and and so he's got that emotional fulfillment Of like hey, we did this together. I helped lead this I need to keep taking care of you and you know, these people love me They love me being here. And so that's where he makes the comment of like I've got family here like where at the beginning is like Well, it doesn't matter like I've never had anyone care. It's like whether I go or stay and it's like, oh well, I Got I got hundreds of people that care if I go or stay now So I'm staying and so I think that as as that evolves from you know him just finding finding the opportunities and recognizing his leadership ability where The kind of the go-getter mentality of like I'm gonna have success he starts to see others following him and Because he takes that initiative for his own personal success Gets to another level of being able to recognize His other opportunities to have an impact and make a difference and so fortunately for him compared to other people in life that like are so like Just narrow-sighted on like me me me me me and don't like take the time to look and see the impact that they can have Jack recognizes that and has that opportunity and then you know takes initiative for that and says you know what? This is this is where I'm gonna stay.

This is where I know that I can feel That sense of success instead of just making it all about You know what I thought used to be success. Yeah, I think it's one of those things that sometimes gets lost in our culture of Self-improvement and take care of yourself Because those things are good. It is good to want to take care of yourself physically mentally. It's good to you know make sure that you've got yourself in a good spot like those things are all good and We also find greater success and happiness and fulfillment when we're serving others. It's just true It can't just be all about ourselves all the time.

It's not we we are social creatures We are designed to be around other people we are designed to belong to tribes and groups and families and That is what can bring so much more fulfillment for us especially when we need to recognize it and and and maybe fight against some some Wounds that we have because we all have them. We all have wounds from when we're younger We all have wounds from tough things we've experienced, but we can't shut people out because that just leads to more suffering and more heartache but opening ourselves up and Acknowledging the wounds and trying to find that sense of belonging can can bring so much greater peace and happiness Yeah, it's got to be like you said it's got to be about you for some period of time But going into that period of time knowing that it is only a period of time It is not forever like you've got to get yourself on solid ground the the analogy of you know Rescuing somebody from the dock versus in the water that's drowning Yeah you know it is much harder to save someone that is drowning when you're in the water because you've got nothing to press against and They can push you down as they're trying to breathe and save themselves and drown you but if you're throwing them the life preserver from from the dock and They grab it and you just pull them in that is a much easier way to help somebody But you've got to get out of the water to do that So you got to focus on yourself and getting yourself to that spot to securely help someone else and so so between you know, just Realizing that it is a period of time for you to just focus on yourself so that you can focus on the greater opportunity And just recognizing like I see so many people try to help people when it's like, oh, this is this is working for me I'm starting to swim toward shore So I'm gonna try and help this person drowning swim toward shore and it's like wait You haven't like put yourself in a good spot to like to do that yet You've got to make sure that you're not doing it prematurely But that you've also got that end goal in sight of like okay Like it can be about me for a little while so that I'm and I'm standing on the dock. Yeah. Yeah Great point for sure. I love that analogy Okay, you ready for this or that?

Yeah. Okay. Let's have some fun here. Okay Manhattan or Brooklyn? Brooklyn Really?

Yeah, tell me more Spot Conlin yeah like that. It's just like never fear Brooklyn's here Like that's for sure like stuck in my in my mind. Okay, I love it So on that note Jack Kelly or spot Conlin, uh, Jack Kelly. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, he initiated it He started it, you know a spot helped out and he came came in was like, okay I can come and help it. Yeah, but Jack Jack got it started. Yeah, he's compelling for sure A newsboy cap or a cowboy hat newsboy cap. Yeah. Yeah, I'm a I'm a city slicker I don't have one but like born and raised in Atlanta and I'm not not as much much of the the country kid Not a country kid on a cowboy.

Yeah, so in that in that vein Santa Fe or New York City. Ooh To that I will say Santa Fe really? Yeah, I think just the calm Like vibes of Santa Fe versus like the hustle and bustle of a big city like I think that that's that's my preference is just like I'm much more of just like let's just chill and relax and and The big city is nice to visit but not to not to live in Yeah, I think that would be interesting because I love New York City like that's my favorite city to visit Part of me would love to try living in New York City just to see what it was like I don't know if I would like it as much as I do when I visit it because visiting it's it's new It's novel. It's different. I don't mind the hustle muscle.

It was that way all the time I yeah, I might not like it as much. I might not as much Okay singing or dancing? Dancing you were dancer. I More of a dancer than I am a singer. I'm not a great singer.

I'm related to a lot of good singers and but But yeah, you drop a drop a good beat and bassline like okay gets you Bob in gets the body moving So okay, so kit bait for dancing with the stars is what you're telling me exactly. We'll get you on there Hey, look if Connor Levitt can be on there. Yeah, they can be on there. All right Newsies the movie or newsies on Broadway who? newsies on Broadway Something to something to live acting.

Oh, yeah, just you know, it's it's just that much more impressive and you can feel You can feel the the emotion that much more than you can I think through a TV screen. Yeah, totally fair RV or hotel Hotel yeah, that's easy. Yeah, I own a camp trailer and I know the maintenance and the When you're done with the trip all the cleanup and everything as a kid as a kid maybe RV because it's just like oh sweet We're back home and we're done that was fun. I don't have to do anything but as an adult now, yeah hotel Okay snowboard or wakeboard. Oh I love both never been asked that I would say I would say snowboard.

Okay Snowboard is I don't know. There's something to just being in the mountains and Having the the snow and sitting on the the lift going up and it's just calm and quiet more wakeboard It's not as calm and quiet, right? Like it's just like there's snacks and there's music and the lakes a little more loud and fun and more party style Then I think just being in the mountains. Yeah, I like it. Well, so in relation to that one our final lives of that mountains or beach I I Would say beach the beach guy I would take the beach for sure so different from the lake Yeah in the sense of waves crashing and the stars out at night It's warm and just like I do I do love warm weather over over cold weather And so and I've been to some some great beaches that you know I don't love the I don't love the the busy Waikiki beaches that hey hours like okay You want to call one act but I can find a place that's a little more remote and sit on the beach and that's okay favorite beach favorite beach And I would I would have to say I've been to the Philippines a few times and There's some immaculate beaches there There's a tiny little island that nobody knows about it has like one hotel that has like six rooms in it And that's it's on it's called Oppo Island and they run the hotel on a generator for six hours a day And then there's no power and so it's very very remote Yeah And and when the tide is in if you come to if you're trying to get to the hotel when the tide is in to get To the hotel you got to hike up your pants and walk through the water to get to this and so I would say I'd say Oppo Oppo Beach and In the very bottom of the Philippines, that's a good answer.

Okay, I like it Okay. Now, let's go to our rapid fire. Even though that one kind of was I had I had a slide that one in we had to Hear them. Okay favorite Disney movie. Oh favorite Disney movie outside of newsies I Would say I'd have to say Aladdin Robin Williams.

He's hilarious so funny got got some more of the of the You know kid from the streets kind of thing. Totally. Oh very related that one favorite Disney song favorite Disney song going back to newsies I would have to say like King of New York like the beat for that like that just fires you up and it does Be inspired and totally though. I was just listening to it this morning when I was getting ready like oh good I was like man. This is a good.

This is a good jam. I can geek out to this one for sure Favorite Disney princess I'm gonna go back to Aladdin on this hit Jasmine for her seeing the seeing the good and Somebody that was not on her level once she figured out that she was he wasn't on the level The same level as opposed to some of the other Disney princesses where it's like they're just going for you know The royalty is your royalty gets together and stuff. So so she likes the common man. Yeah props to Jasmine for yeah favorite Disney hero Disney hero I would have to say maybe Hercules. He's a good one love Hercules like that's just a it's a it's such a good classic storyline and Yeah, just it's it's fun and entertaining and another song where it gets me all energized like I can go the distance Yep, like yes.

I know every mile is worth the while like yes. I'm there Hercules. I want to go to this man up with you love Hercules How about favorite ride at any Disney Park? Favorite ride any of the parks Dude I I love the the avatar Don't even know what it's called exactly the flight of IMAX. Yeah, there's the IMAX screen one Yeah, there's like the river one and then there's the IMAX one.

Yeah like That's something else to feel like you're riding on the back of a dragon and not just sitting in a night Like, you know, you've got you've got soaring. That's cool. Yes, like oh you're flying around but to like sit on this and And you're like and it's breathing. Oh, yeah It's like moving your thighs like of the dragons breathing and like it's that's legit Plus you've got the 3d glasses and everything like that. That's probably amazing top experience.

Yeah, I absolutely love that, right? It's so good they're they're doing some kind of avatar land theoretically a California adventure though, they keep pushing it back because it's gonna Take over where they've got monsters now and I didn't hear what rides they're bringing I hope they bring that one because that ride is I absolutely love it favorite golf course. Oh Favorite golf course I It's it's only a city course I love Mountaindale golf course, yeah Canyon yeah up the canyon a little bit. So you to put you when you hit your ball and And you've got 360 degrees a backdrop and so you can just watch it the whole way. It's harder to lose it in the sky plus There's so much wildlife up there.

I've seen foxes I've seen beavers I've seen Moose hanging out on the fairway with the mom and a baby one time and like just being up in nature I love that. That's fantastic favorite ski resort Brighton Brighton's your jam. Yeah, I like it favorite Atlanta sports team Braves Braves go Braves during the filming of this. Yeah, we just lost last night We are now down one to two Dodgers. Oh, please come our ace Unfortunately didn't get the win last night It looked like it was gonna be so brilliant to play to have pitched the other pitchers in game two and save Yeah, save sale, but but they got they got to him got a couple of fingers So we're down but we can still come back.

We said we could still make it happen Okay, what is a question or questions that I should have asked you that I did not? I Think I think maybe like maybe just my why okay, let's get it. What is what is your why behind it all? for me You know, why why do we do all this? Why do we want success?

Why do we want to help other people? I think for for me is is putting myself in a spot to Really like to allow God to work through me to just like being in his way is Like is such a gift to just to feel his love for someone that I've just come across or you know Maybe I've been involved with but just like to have that moment Where you see something change and happen in someone else's life? not because of you but because of him and you just happen to get front-row tickets to it and So, you know the the better I can do at everything The more of those opportunities I get and that the more sense of fulfillment that that comes in my life Yeah, yeah, it comes back to that idea of serving others, right? Serving others and how much richer that makes our lives when we take those opportunities to serve others Yeah, I love it. It's a great answer Okay, kit give us we always like to end with three actionable takeaways Also spent in a minute thinking of this is great.

Yeah, we want we want some solid takeaways We want people to listen to this and be like, okay, I'm gonna do that this week or today So let's let's so for my people that came from nothing out there First takeaway is you don't have to be given anything to become great And a lot of times you become great because you had nothing the ones that are given things Take things for granted self, you know entitlement sense And so I think it's that like like I'm living proof of that that I was I did not have to be handed it I had a great family. So I had a good foundation, but I wasn't like monetarily given anything So that's that's one To not being afraid to connect with people that can help so in the situation of like, you know, Jack Kelly He's he's connecting with people and he goes into Pulitzer, right? And he goes and he's approaching the big dog Yeah He's not afraid and so I think it's taking those shots and trying to connect with people that are at a different level than you That are gonna allow you to see things from a different perspective to accomplish even more So connect with those people that are a step ahead of you. Yeah, love it And then we talked about it already choosing the right people to support you whether that's at home or in life and And you know choosing the the right spouse Choosing the the right assistant choosing the right business partner choosing, you know not just based off of one variable, but several because Someone might be great at one thing and you're like, oh man, we could be super rich and go that way But if if they're not doing it for the right reasons Then that could put you at jeopardy of being taken advantage of But also limits your ability to maybe work towards what your purpose is and so I think they don't have to be great at everything but they've got to have some sense of direction and everything and And so I think that you know choosing choosing those people that you're gonna have closest to you super wisely I've seen too many people that have you know had a much harder life because they've chosen those close people Not so well, yeah, yeah and and when you have Sometimes it necessitates a change now, you know, I I Don't I'm not in the business of Telling people they need to get divorced. I'm in the business of helping them get divorced when they want to But what I've seen in doing that is like there's times where that's just the right answer that they haven't chosen Well, yeah And and maybe it's just a bad match between the two of them that they're bringing out the very worst in each other There's definitely times where a change is necessitated And if you've got friends that are that way and you got to make a change Then you make a change even if you've known them for a long time if they're dragging you down You gotta you gotta be strong enough to make a change and look for those people who are gonna help lift you up Yeah, it's great.

I think term big long-term perspective. Yeah for sure. Well kit. Thank you so much for being with us today Thank you for hearing your thoughts your stories about hanging out. He's great.

Yeah, we we we always have fun You know we have fun talking about Disney stuff because There's so many life lessons that we can actually draw on things that we can really learn on how to improve our lives How to live better lives how to inspire other people care more about other people as you've indicated right and what that can bring to us The richness it can bring to us. So thank you so much for your time. Thank you As you leave this conversation Remember that yes the past can hurt and you can either run from it or you can learn from it So here's to learning and finding joy in the journey See you real soon