The Witch Movie Project. Welcome to my lair. You are now in the witches cauldron and we are here to talk about witches today. Yes, this is the Witch Movie Project, right Courtney? We're still doing this.

This has been so much fun, has it not? It's been a blast. I'm having such a good time. We've had some crazy stuff happen during the taping of this, during the recordings, all the way from getting stars of the movie themselves to come on the show. I know, pure magic.

We just did it and it just came into our lives. Practical magic. Wait a minute, I just spoiled the movie for today. But they already read the title. They see this, they know.

And they knew, if they knew you, people out there had to know that you were going to pick this movie, right? Yes. I mean, I did host a party last year, Practical Magic movie party for anybody who said they hadn't seen the movie before. And I was like, you're coming to my house and we're doing Midnight Margaritas. I love it.

And you've also, you also host a podcast that you stole the name from the movie. Yeah, it's definitely inspired. Yeah, you can still, it's an homage, I believe is what we would call that. You got an homage to the movie Practical Magic with your podcast Practically Magic, which is found right here on Ride The Wave Media. Yup.

Plug, cheap plug. I had to do that, you know, so. You deserve it. You deserve all of it. But let me hear about this, this, this Midnight Margarita party.

What was this like? Pretty lame, actually. Sandra Bullock didn't show up? It was a lot more fun in the movie. I got a couple of friends over.

We watched the movie. I got to, you know, share my, my love for the movie and that was good enough. I think it's just fun to get together with your friends. Well, listen, let's talk about the party that is not going to be lame for sure. That's coming up.

That's centered around the Witch. Oh, much better. Yeah. Centered around the Witch movie project. It's the live podcast taping and movie screening.

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A friend of mine just did the sauna when she was sick. She had all kinds of going on and then she went into the sauna. She's like, I feel a ton better. Cleared her up. Come on.

I did the same thing. It's wild. It's incredible. But right now, get cozy. Get some tequila margaritas ready if you want to do that with us.

But right now we're going to get into practical magic. The 1998 witchy drama that's all about spells, sisterhood and Sandra Bullock and Nicole Kidman looking like a dream team, right? Like they don't mean this. I literally take their picture to my hairdresser from that movie and I'm like, can you cut it? Can you style it?

Can you do it exactly like that? I grew my hair out because of that movie of them. So you had the hairstyle of Nicole Kidman and or which one? Which character did you did you have the hairstyle of? I mean, they're like the Rachel from Friends, right?

Of the of the witch community. And I love it. And now I love it. Yeah. So this movie, though, is also is directed by Griffin Dunn and it's based on a movie.

It's based on a novel by Alice Hoffman. It's got a great mix of romance tragedy and a healthy sprinkle of supernatural antics, really, because you get to see this as the movie progresses. Is this the witch movie of all witch movies, Courtney? I'm going to ask you that. My opinion for sure, hands down.

OK, so I know we've been going through a lot of different witch movies. We've done some family friendly ones. We've done a lot of horror genre, which I love. You know, I love. But there's no contest for me that if you were to ask anyone, anyone who's like, what movie really truly depicts magic in the way that you understand it, the way magical people understand it, it's this movie.

Read the book years ago, by the way, it's very different. It's a very different feel. This is a little more whimsical. The movie kind of centers around Sally and Gilly. But the book centers more around Sally's girls.

They're older in the book and it's darker. It's a little slower. It's a little more kind of a different vibe. But yeah. Does it still have that that complex feel of is this a kid's thing or an adult thing?

Does it still have that? Yeah, I was reading about how the critics were really confused by it. And when the movie came out, I mean, the book is just straight up adult, you know, kind of a dark, magical sort of context. But but when the movie came out, people were like, I'm so confused. Is this a kid's movie?

Because it's too adult to be a kid's movie and it's too kid to be an adult movie. And it wasn't like super great when it first came out box office wise. But it has become like a cult classic. I mean, you can't like throw a rock in Halloween season without somebody mentioning practical magic. Right.

Absolutely. Now, you got to point out here that the time period that this came out in 1998 is way different than 2024 right now, because to me, this is a kid's movie. Like I watch it and sure, there's language in there, but my kids are out there saying whatever. So my kids have all seen it. So it doesn't bother me.

Like, yeah, it doesn't bother me. But to me, it is a kid's movie. Or let's call it a family movie. I think it's more of a family movie than maybe a kid's movie because it does. It covers it covers all of it.

It's got the balance. Let's talk about the plot. It's Sally, Jilly, Owens. They're the latest in a long line of witches cursed in love. They've almost got the same type of curse that our love witch had back in the other movie, right?

The earlier this this project with the line through the Puritans of this 17th century in New England. Here's their ancestor Maria, who is hated by the town, especially because the women want to protect their husbands from someone who has clearly some sexual energy. I don't know. That's where a lot of that accusations come from Yeah, so that's got historical reference to it is what you're saying. Kind of show here at the beginning of the movie and through the movie.

And then basically what we find out is that every man who dares fall in love with an Owens woman meets a grim death. Like it's it's they're done. Like everybody falls in love. Jilly gets tangled up with Jimmy. This dude's a creep.

Like, is he not? Yeah, yeah. Obviously, we're like looking at the tropes of what makes a woman a witch and what makes her useful or how she's perceived by her community. Right. So like, Jilly has all this sexual energy.

You know, Nicole Kidman. Oh, my gosh. I have like a big girl crush on her. I can't deny she's amazing. She's still she was in something just not long ago.

And I still I was like, she still looks incredible. Like, she just like dripping with it. Like, she's just like, I just imagine she walks into a room and everybody's like, you got an aura. She's got a whiskey aura already. I think she's out in Hollywood.

I do think some of them women are witches. And I don't mean that in the rocket to retire because powerful, right? Yeah, women. Very powerful. But yeah, but I have to highlight this generational curse we have here because in the healing work that I do, this is very much some of the healing work that's needed in like any family, not just witch families, but like generational things that have happened in your ancestry can affect generations beyond that.

So knowing what their ancestor Maria went through when she was cast out from the community and she was labeled a witch and now the Owens women have to relate with how that affects them throughout their lives and their love lives. That's very much a real thing. I mean, that's something that I work with people in the healing space is what sort of things didn't start with you that now you in your lifetime are having to deal with and heal and witness about yourself. Is that like a like a trauma therapy type thing? Or what is it?

Yeah, it is. It really does. So what would a witch do in that situation? To help somebody like what would you do? What would you do?

So for me personally, I use the healing techniques of Reiki and emotional processing. When I am with a client, I'm working emotional processing. We're pulling out energy and we're discovering what it is that needs to be moved. Right? So in the movie, the way that Sally, so we're talking about young Sally in the beginning when she's making that love spell and she's going around the greenhouse and because she's like, I never want to fall in love.

She's seeing these women who are like tapping at the glass at her aunt's house. You know, they're like crazy in love and they just want like love spells. They want someone to be obsessed with them. And this is like really exciting to Julie. She's like, I can't wait to fall in love.

And Sally is like, I never want to fall in love. This looks awful. It's horrible. So she goes around and she's picking petals off of plants. Right?

And she's putting it in a bowl and it's almost like there's no official rule book about how this works. She's like, you know, his favorite shape will be a star and she seeks the petal that's a star shape and she puts it in her bowl. And I have done enough courses and classes on magic to know that this is more accurate than not. That when creating a spell, it's less important that you're getting the right ingredients and more important that you're infusing it with intention. So it's a lot like when little kids are making potions out of mud and sticks in their backyard.

It really does look more like that than not. Like she's just like, I'm going to do this and I'm going to put that and I'm going to do that. And then she goes out and it's like full moon and she just lets the petals fly in the and voila, she's created a spell. But the spell it's ultimately what helps break the curse. Right?

Yeah. Yeah. And that's part of the plot. I didn't finish the initial just opening outline, but basically after she gets with Jimmy to Crete, it all goes south. He meets his demise at the hands of the witches.

Yeah. Self-defense. Exactly. In which style? It was witch style and he doesn't stay dead.

There's a ghostly showdown, some serious sisterhood bonding, and then finally she breaks the family curse. Like they break it at the end, but that's basically, that's the movie, that's the plot outline, but there's so much more to dig into. Like there is a lot to get into in this movie. Yeah. The actual love that breaks the curse between sisters, these blood sisters, right?

Which by the way, Sandra Bullock and Nicole Kidman had spent so much time set together in rehearsals and stuff. I think it was Sandra Bullock that said, I want Nicole Kidman. I want her to play my sister and brought her in to the movie after she was cast. So the producers of the show were like, they actually became very much like sisters. They fought like sisters.

They bonded like sisters. And I love hearing that because you see it come through in their performance. They're so sister-like. They're just so connected, right? Yeah.

So the dynamic of them on set though, behind the scenes, they encountered kind of a weird, like an unexpected problem. And what it was, was Griffin Dunn, he's the director, he had Sandra Bullock on one side and Nicole Kidman on one side. And Sandra Bullock was doing all of her takes in two, three takes, done. Nicole Kidman, on the other hand, had just got done working with Stanley Kubrick for 18 months on Eyes Wide Shut. Now Stanley is infamous or famous, whichever one you want to look at it, for doing like 70, 80 takes.

So you had two or three. And then Nicole Kidman needed like 70 or 80 takes for this. That had to be, that had Just Sandra Bullock just standing there going like, come on, what are we doing? You can only take that so much. When you're like, Hey man, I'm done.

Get it together. It's either that or I don't know if she was trying to be the perfectionist. Because that's what Kubrick was. With all the movies. With all those movies out there.

With so much effort into that it wasn't ever going to be two, three takes. So she had to get out of that mind frame. That to me is, that's a huge drastic difference when you're working on a film like that. So yeah. But makes sense why Nicole Kidman was dripping with sexual energy after coming off of that movie.

And then you play away. She just came out of 18 months of orgies. You know, that's what she went doing. I mean, yeah, let's just call it what it is. But yeah, speaking of done, did you hear about the story?

They had hired a witch to be a consultant on set. And I was thinking to myself when I read this, I. Sign me up, which to be a consultant on a movie stage, I will do it in a heartbeat. But apparently, the switch didn't like what she was paid. She was asking for more money and they were like, sorry, this is what's in your contract or whatever it is.

And she cursed the set. And done had to bring in some other, I don't know what he brought, who he brought in or what he did, but they they held like with all of the actors, they held like a. Say on Sir, a ceremony to break the curse or to cleanse the set of the curse. And he's quoted as saying curses only have power if you believe in them. So apparently he believed that perhaps this curse was correct.

It was real. And that he was like, well, you know, it won't hurt to maybe just bring somebody in and we'll just kind of cleanse the set of the curse. But that's why that's why, because I've heard the stories about, you know, during filming cast and crew, they would experience like strange unexplained events. The clocks would stop at midnight. Lights flickering.

Which that, I guess, did lead to the real exorcism on the set, if you want to call it that, you know, it was it has to have been an exorcism. Yeah. So so you're telling me that while the Owens sisters were battling the undead lovers and family curses on the screen, that the cast and crew were really dealing with like seriously smoky stuff off screen. Like, yeah, yeah. This is not the first movie that we've reviewed on the which movie podcast, which movie project podcast where we've talked about like this kind of stuff happening behind the scenes or like when you're delving into this world of magic, kind of being able to see what is the unseen.

What are we not? You know, what are we experiencing here? Right. Like that's dedication to the craft. I can tell you that because I don't know if I'd stay on a movie set, make a scary movie in this really scary.

I'll probably take it as a sign, like, get the fuck out of here. I don't know. Yeah. I hear by bless this podcast and I hear by bless this podcast and ward off any energy that does not serve us. And there we are.

So now let's talk about the scene. You know which one you had a party dedicated to this scene. It's the one where they the witches bond over the midnight margaritas. So it's it's honestly like a not just the most iconic moment in this movie, but it's it's a a an iconic moment in film like period. It's.

Led to parties, it's led to practical magic parties, like you said. You can't be the only one that's ever done it. Yeah. Oh, for sure not. And I honestly like I don't condone the idolization of alcoholism or anything like that.

I'm just going to put that out there. But I'm terrible at making margaritas. I don't know how to make a margarita. So I apologize to anybody who did come to my party because I didn't know how to make them. But I love the like modern day reference of the blender being the cauldron.

Yeah. Yeah. Right. Right. Great.

Great point. Now, that's that's a super cool. Like you said, modernization of the the old black cauldron that we always picture. Yeah, it just shows to show you it doesn't have to be, you know, ancient times. We don't have to have this big black cauldron over a roaring fire.

We can have we can have a modern version of our witchcraft. And it can look like how whatever intention we infuse it with. So let that be known to all of you seeking witchcraft. Now, I heard that the potions they were they were brewing up with this with these margaritas, I heard that they were actually drinking alcohol and bad tequila on set and getting drunk during these takes. Yeah.

It's like Kidman is how the rumors go. She brought on some real tequila and they actually even I think everybody but the cameramen. Camera people who were they had to hold it. They had to hold it straight. I mean, the directors, producers, everybody backs behind the scene was it looked like this if if the people had been drinking, just tilted, it would have been on to add in.

They're just all. Yeah, they forgot they were filming a movie. They're just like having a good time partying. Hey. Now, that's the kind of film set.

I would like to be a part of and not that supernatural stuff going on where it's clock stopping at midnight. Did they ever check the batteries you think on those clocks? I don't know. Yeah, they're like, we forgot to forgot to pay the guy that normally. Yeah, I don't know what happened.

I don't know. I'm not sure there, but OK. But I do have to say this scene always makes me think this and the part where they go to live, the young girls, Sally and Julie, when they first come to live with the aunts, they're like, we eat chocolate cake for breakfast. We never brush our teeth. We never do homework, you know, and they're kind of like whatever.

And the midnight Margarita scene and that both give me such a sense of relief because there is a very powerful message in just that little bit, especially to women, which is you don't have to behave. And you don't have to like fall under societal norms. Right. So like this waking up at midnight just to have midnight Margarita's, it's like there's no rules. You know, there's any rules you think there are, they're pretend.

Like there's somebody else's rules. We get to live by our own rules. And that is so freeing to someone like me. Like, yeah, why not? That's an incredible takeaway from that scene.

And it is so true that. Somebody else made the rules. Somebody else made the rules at all times, every rule. Yeah. And usually the women who were accused of witchcraft, let's talk historically, are just women who didn't really want to live by those rules.

Like they were women who were like, wait, this is not serving me. What if I make it my own rules and I live my life based on my rules? And that often got them into trouble, to be honest. But yeah, it did. Freeing to realize that like I can wake up at midnight and it might not be midnight Margarita's, but it can be midnight chocolate bars.

Yeah. Oh, hell yeah. Whatever you want. I love it. But let me go back to the to Hollywood and witches.

General, I'm like. Everybody back up here, because I might go off on a rant here about what Hollywood's done to the witches. Basically, they made them out to be tragically romantic figures doomed to lose in love. They try to find strength through the sisterhood. All the movies are basically the same about witches.

And then Practical Magic, ultimate homage to this trope. Sally, Jelly, they're not just facing external demons, but they got internal ones, too. And it's all this stuff going on. It's real life. There's romance.

Bond between a sister that takes the center stage. They laugh, but fight. They did all this on set. This is really behind the scenes and on set. It all came across.

And now it's a true sisterhood. But Hollywood has always tried to do these different things with what witchcraft and witches are. And I think this one says it a little bit different than what some of these other movies have. What do you mean? I got to what do you got to say about that?

I'll throw back to my awesome interview with Robin Lively. Check that out. Episode three, Robin Lively. What do you what do you have to say about that? I guess.

You know, OK, so this is kind of like a great connection to the movie Frozen, right? Here we have like Disney's typical princess curse, whatever true love will break the spell. The curse. What the movie Frozen did, and I think I can say this movie, Practical Magic did before Frozen, was it showed that it wasn't the love of a man. It wasn't a masculine figure or the romantic love that was going to break this curse.

It was sisterhood. It was the acceptance of of them into their society. Like my favorite. OK. My favorite.

One of my favorite parts of this movie. I have a lot of favorite parts. But when she activates the phone tree and gets all the women who have been scared of them their whole lives and calling witches and are like, I don't know, men die in the Owens family. I don't know how, but there is definitely a curse and they're kind of scared. They're the ones throwing rocks at them when they're kids and calling them witch, witch bitch.

And here's Sally and she's activating the phone tree, which is like the PTA. It's like the moms of the town. And she's like, hey, so guess what? I am a witch. My sister's possessed.

We're really going to need some help. Can you bring a broom and come over? And they do. They show up with brooms, these women who don't know anything and are honestly scared of what they know. And even the one that was kind of the ringleader of the mommy moms, whatever you want to call them, Queen B.

She's like, she's like, well, thank you for coming. And she's like, oh, well, you know, I've always wanted to see the inside of your house. She's like, secretly, they wanted to be a part of it. They didn't want to. You know, they were just afraid of what they didn't know.

And when they broke the barriers of that and created a sisterhood among the women of the of the town, that's when the curse actually broke. You know, not from finding love. It wasn't really, you know, Sally and even her relationship with this sheriff guy, which was all great and everything. But. It was that it was like that sisterhood, right?

Incredible. You mentioned the house. We got to talk about the house. Yeah, talk about the house like it's a dreamy Victorian house that we all wish we'd lived in this house. Right.

Like the house is a character itself. It is. It really is. They they I think they built this thing out somewhere in Washington, Washington state. Yeah, it's just a shell of a house.

Yeah. From the outside scenes that they filmed. And then they did the inside scenes on a soundstage. But Barbara Streisand actually tried to buy the house. She asked to purchase it and they were like, you know, Babs.

But real. That's a true testament to what the house is. That's a true testament to it. If she tried to buy it because she thought it was real, that's awesome to me. I mean, if I was if I had money like Barbara Streisand, I would be offering to buy it, too.

But there was rumor about them releasing blueprints for the house. A couple of years ago, I remember everybody was really excited about it because it became available. Like someone had actually constructed blueprints for the house and you could buy that and build it, I guess. So amazing. But the aesthetic of this movie, the set is such a icon that you see like videos of people all over the Internet that are like decorating their house in practical magic aesthetic.

Right. Like black stairs and room painted walls and the types of frames around their pictures, all that kind of stuff. So I'm going to throw this out there. Maybe it happens subliminally because I just painted my wall black yesterday for some reason. Is that I could watch this movie.

You were like, I just feel this. But I need it in my house. Me and Lindsey, we painted the wall black yesterday. Don't know why. I love it.

Yeah. Dark walls are really in right now. Design wise, it's ahead of their time. I'm a little spooked out. I think Sandra Bullock got me.

She gets me too. I love her. And let's talk about Jimmy. Yeah. This guy, piece of shit, right?

Like he's just a just a just trash. Just. That's about that's about the best word you could say for him. But yeah, nobody's like nobody's watching this movie and calling the Owen sisters the villains. Yeah.

For killing this guy. No. And she even said she's like, oh, you're going to arrest me because there's one less Jimmy Angelove in the world. Like, right now. This guy is Goran Visshanidzeic.

Sorry if I pronounced that wrong. But he's also been out in like Hellraiser and stuff like that, I believe. But he is a producer and in everything else. But he but he got into this role and I think he played it right. Like the fact that obviously you're saying this guy is a piece of shit.

Play the role. He played it incredible. Yeah. That's all you can say for this guy. So.

Yes. The music that plays a part in many scenes in this movie, but you were always on my mind. I was. And then it comes back later when they're drunk on tequila and they're singing. What a soundtrack.

Oh, yeah. I'm going to get into that, too, because this soundtrack really, to me, when I was watching the movie back, it's it's it's like a a great time capsule that you open up. Yeah. And get to hear these songs like you've got the song you just mentioned. What was that one?

You were always on my mind. Always on my mind. And of course, the iconic kiss from this scene where they they put the spell on Sally for for her to meet her husband and Michael. And I mean, everybody knows that scene. Everybody loves that scene.

This kiss. I feel running down that they like barely know each other, but she runs down the street and leaps into his arms. Oh, my gosh. That I study till banger this case. I don't even really listen to country music, but I know every word of that damn song.

I know we do. Oh, yeah. Yes. Marvin Gaye on there. You had who else was on this soundtrack?

Uh, George Jones, Timmy Wynette, some more country music. Joni Mitchell was on there. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. There's there's so many names on here that Stevie Nicks, Cheryl Crowe.

Oh, yes. Stevie Nicks and Cheryl Crowe, they produced and performed two different songs on this soundtrack. It's they really had to the witchy vibes, right? Next, you can't I mean, please. Baby, Nick's has been a witch and another.

She was on American Horror Story season, whatever, with Coven. I believe she was in one of the second. The second time Coven came back around with American Horror Story. I watched that. I loved it.

I loved Stevie Nicks in a witch role. We should see more of that. We should get we should see if we can get Stevie Nicks out there. A gig. Maybe I'll have to get a a agent fee if I can get her another witch gig out there.

Hit us up, Stevie. Hit us up if you need some work. Yeah, I I'm willing to bet she's not suffering, but yeah, I don't think so. But I know this is kind of like taking a little tangent. OK, so the kiss song, it comes on.

I have to talk about the ants. Hmm. All right. So when I first watched this movie, I was a kid, right? I was I was a teenager when this came out and a young teenager.

If you don't mind me saying I was a young teenager when this came out. And of course, I wanted to be Sandra Bullock and Nicole Kidman. I wanted to be them. You know, the young hip, I don't know, just awesome. Which is that they were not a little bit older, a little bit, a little bit.

Not much, but a little bit older. I identify with the ants so much more now. And now it would be like my dream to live as one of the ants in a big old Victorian house with my sisters and nieces or whatever. And spinning wool and doing love spells and cooking and have a greenhouse and whatever it is they do with their time, having tea parties on the lawn with your kitty cats. It sounds amazing.

I mean, I yeah, they they're amazing. But played by Dan West, right? Yeah. Oh, yeah. And was it a soccer channel?

The the Branny, right? They are amazing. But Dan West particularly has some of the best lines in this whole movie. So when the kiss song starts up and she turns to the camera, the camera behind her and she turns her head and she just says most excellent. What is one of my favorite lines?

I love it. I quote it all the time. You would not believe how many times that that comes up in my life. And the other my favorite line of hers is when they're leaving the Sally's leaving to go get Jilly, she's in trouble. So she's leaving and she's like, you're going to have to take the girls, her daughters with them to the solstice celebration.

And she's like, don't let them dance naked under the full moon. And my favorite line that Jet says is, oh, you know that nudity is optional, as you will remember. That is my favorite line. I use it all the time. I loved it, too.

That's me. I laughed at that one. I thought it was great. So when people say, oh, you know, you're going to go dancing under naked under the full moon, I'm like, well, nudity is always optional, as you will remember, as you will remember. Yeah.

If I grow up to be the ants, I will be pleased as punch. That would be my dream. You think that changed with age? As you got wiser? Yeah, maybe.

And maybe like, you know, when you're younger, especially, you know, women, we're taught that like our our romantic connection, like finding your prince or your knight or your, you know, your person is is what it's all about. And then I think you reach a certain age where you go, yeah, having love in my life is is great, but it's not everything. Right. Like there is a whole me. Independent of who I am as a wife or as a mother or a girlfriend or whatever it is, it's like there's a whole me there.

And I think what the ants represent is that coming into their age and their wisdom as like wholly themselves. I mean, these women are not participating in any social norms. Like they are just like, I wear what I want. I do what I want. I drink at midnight.

Right. That becomes kind of a priority after a while. You start to be like, actually, my happiness depends on me, not my connections to someone else. Right. But that's a that's a good just metaphor to pull out of that for life.

Yeah. Like it really is. What's your thoughts on this? You got final thoughts on this? A couple of witchy things if people are interested.

So they're they're doing this spell that brings Jimmy back to life. Resurrection. Yes. That's, you know, brings him back as something dark. So the ants were warning like, don't do that.

They realize it was a big mistake. But I do want to point out they do say hekate make it right. They mentioned hekate. So hekate is a goddess of witchcraft. OK.

So she's well known in kind of mythology as the the witch goddess. She is associated with the forest, the forest animals. She's one that never has a partner and does not have children. So she's not necessarily a mother figure, unless you count the fact that she mothers all animals of the forest. She's kind of a midwife of the goddesses.

So she's there during childbirth. She's associated with childbirth in that way. And she guards the portal to the other world. So when they're like. You know, in invoking hekate or they're basically kind of like invoking that portal to open to bring his soul back from the underworld or from the other world to come back.

So this is something cool that connects you with the folklore of what that where that came from, why they talk about that. I love that. It's almost like a little Easter egg there because they don't give you any of that info. And yeah, you wouldn't know. I was going to ask you about that name that they were saying.

And I wondered when I heard it, if it was real or if it was something they just added to the script. So that's I think that's a great insight. Hey, hey, what's the name? Hekate. Hekate.

She's her symbol is often represented as keys. Like those old, you know, oh, the iron keys that you see that are like, yeah. So when people wear those as talismans or as symbols, they're often connecting it with Hekate and and then they're, you know, moving their hands over his body like this. Yeah, that's very much like a reiki type of healing. For those who practice reiki and energy work, there's a lot of that.

That's what that looks like. So if anyone was ever curious to what it might look like to go into a reiki session, that's that's what they're doing. Just watch the scene. Watch that. Yeah.

You know, and hopefully you're not dead while it's happening. Yeah, right. Yeah. Anyway, some cool little things there. And and then they did talk about when she's making the potion for the pancake syrup, the banishing spell to get rid of the sheriff.

Julie's talking about the eye of Newt. Oh, you know, you often hear about eye of Newt in a you know, which is fell or a cauldron or whatever. And it's actually just mustard seed. So a lot of recipes and grimoires from actual witches, which I actually did just see one. It was like a 400 year old actual witches grimoire.

I got to see it a rare book event and yeah, handwritten. And it had a curse lined into it. So we were not allowed to take pictures of it because it was cursed. So didn't want that. But it actually said on the grimoire book of recipes and they were.

Witches spells. But when they say eye of Newt, they're talking about mustard seed. So just a little fun fact. Yeah. Let me jump in here.

How often do you make a spell or a potion or whatever? I have not dabbled in making my own spells, although I would really like to. Most of the time, I'm just researching what other people have done. And trying to figure out like, oh, but the thing to remember about making spells or anything like that is there are certain things that have been handed down generation to generation for however many hundreds of years. And you have to believe in some part that this wouldn't have been widely known or handed down for no reason.

Right. Yeah. Like people to say I have Newt or you need a green candle for this spell. There is something we said about using what's in the spell because someone has tried it, tested it, and it must have been proven somewhat effective. Yeah.

And then on the other side of that, making your own spells is a lot like Sally, the young Sally, which is just as long as you're infusing your intention into the spell, that's what matters most. So it can be whatever you've got lying around the house, whatever you've got in your yard, whatever you happen to forage on your next hike. You can use that in a spell. All right. Good to know.

So you don't have to go get the eye of Newt and Frog's tongue and. You know, isn't even probably what it sounds like it was. Frog's tongue might be a plant that looks like a frog's tongue. And so they call it that, you know. I see.

I see. As scary as you might think. So tell me more. You got you had a couple more things there on Practical Magic. Oh, my goodness.

So much. This movie is amazing. And I just. I love OK, so I wanted to point out the ants. You see them in several scenes, right?

They're spinning and they have cabinets in their home full of wool and things like that. And I wanted to point out that a lot of people accused of witchcraft, a lot of women accused of witchcraft in history were craft women. They were artists. They were, you know, they had a skill of some kind. Like these women are spinning wool and spinning wool or doing any kind of spinning work where there's like the spinning wheel is a great way to get into a trance and to do channeling or kind of like scrying in a mirror.

You know how when you look at water and the sun is just kind of sparkling on the water and it just creates this kind of effect. Staring into that for a few minutes until your eyes kind of gloss over. That's what scrying feels like. That's what people are doing. They're like using that to tap into a different sense so they can channel messages of whatever it is that they're trying to get.

These ants are spinning wool. They're probably making money off of their wool. That's probably like how they make a living. But they also can do witchcraft while doing their their work. So, wow.

OK. He's going to point that out. That's it. Yeah. And that's that's the best of what I have.

That's the best of what you have. All right. Well, I'll tell you, I loved it. I haven't seen this movie in a while. Let me think here.

It was it was fun to watch the bad guy pay. The Margarita scene iconic. Yeah, actually. That's all I got to say. I mean, it is my favorite.

I mean, you got it. You do have to remember that practical magic is not just about the casting of the spells, but it's casting out things that hold us back and embracing the magic within our own lives, I think is what. Yes. Really boils down to. And that's what I saw.

That's what I saw. Yep. This movie holds up. It's going to hold up forever. Like this.

This is one of those. I think so. Yeah. I think it'll continue to be a favorite. And and personally, you know, even though I love the horror movie genre, I do.

I have props respect. I had to put this movie into our lineup because for me, personally, it feels like a much more accurate depiction of what witchcraft feels like, at least for me. Right. And so we're going for it. That's something to be afraid of.

And the town eventually realizes that they don't have to be afraid of the Owens sisters, that actually having them around is pretty helpful. Let's get to our next movie. Yes. And you had seen this one before, right? I might have seen like pieces of it, but just never knew that it came from this movie.

Like it might have been. Yeah. Long story short, no, I have not seen this movie. And I love that. I love that you hadn't seen it because that just makes me so excited to be like, here it is.

Watch this great movie. Oh, for everybody else out there, buckle up. But we're about to dive into the 1987 supernatural horror slash comedy, The Witches of Eastwick. And. George Miller directed it.

I mean, it's based on it's based on a book, too. John Updike wrote a book on this. Yep. So you already got some big names involved. Yes.

Off the top. I didn't realize that the rest of this cast, little, but is there like five Oscar winners or at least nominated? Jack Nicholson, Cher, Susan Sarandon, Michelle Pfeiffer, like. Everybody is really incredible. Right.

I mean, I was a little bit sad that we didn't get we didn't maneuver our way to get to talk to Susan Sarandon when she was at FanX. But we did get to talk to a redheaded witch, so I'm good with it. Yeah, I'm happy. But some names that were considered for this movie, like even in the lineup it already has was Jane Fonda, Meryl Streep, Angelica Houston, Goldie Hawn. So, I mean, could you imagine?

Oh, it's wild. Yeah, it's wild. The people that were involved in this and honestly. Watching the movie like. You you're watching it, you're like, oh, yeah, Cher, that couldn't have been cast any better.

Oh, yeah. Michelle Pfeiffer. Oh, that couldn't have been cast any better. Like, there's nobody better. They played the roles perfectly.

I do know that when they were originally cast, I think Cher and Michelle Pfeiffer had the roles swapped, maybe. Yeah, yeah. I'd heard about that. And I think it was Cher that said, no, I want to play Alex. I think we should switch because yeah, it ended up working out for the best.

And I mean, I'm sad to say there was some contention about Cher being a part of it. Apparently, the director was getting a lot of like pressure from producers when making this movie. And so there was all kinds of, you know, contention. And he was like, I don't want Cher. And you have to love Cher and the story that they tell, because I mean, she's like, listen, I've won Academy Awards.

You can take it or leave it, but I'm in this movie, you know, just like totally playing the I know My Worth card. And I love that. Yeah, she does that and does it does it does it well. And then I've also heard that. On set, if she wasn't, she didn't have speaking lines, she has to be released like she wanted to be out of it.

She denies that, but. So Nicole Kidman and Cher, maybe a little bit of divas on these on the set of these movies will forgive them because their performance is awesome. And exactly. Exactly. So, yeah.

So. I heard also on this that Cher and Michelle, Michelle Pfeiffer, they weren't they didn't get along, I believe. The two of those didn't get along at first. And it was because of that weird casting and after they finally sat down and talked to talk to each other, they found out it wasn't then it was a producer that had kind of missed the problems. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Lots of problems. Lots of problems, according to the Internet. Yeah.

Well, I appreciate that through all the trial and obstacles, they must have had to fight to make this movie and to get it done that they did and that it was made and we get to enjoy it. In fact, just about everybody I talk to when I tell them about the which movie project, they're like, are you doing witches of Eastwick? And I'm like, of course. So it must be a favorite. It did really well when it came out.

So let's break down the plot. Let's do it. Three single ladies in Eastwick, Alex, Jane, Suki. They're feeling free now about their love lives. Here we go again with the love and the and witches until they basically they do don't basically they conjure up a guy named Darryl Van Horn played by Jack Nicholson.

Now. Please. That's the only word I that's that's the time. Oh, my gosh. Yeah.

But he waltzes into town, takes over this mansion, seduces them, seduces all of them, not just one of them, all of them. It takes a dark turn because they figured out what who Darryl really is and got to take matters into their own hands. That's pretty much the plot of this movie. Yeah. Yeah.

Which is interesting because we watched the witch or bitch on another episode, if you haven't listened, go back and listen to that one, which kind of takes the idea of witches. The fear that people had about witches was that they were signing the devil's book. You know, there was the same kind of plot lines happening in all the witch trials, which were like, you sign the devil's book, you know, you're one of his coven, you know, all of that. It made it into a horror movie. Like, what if this was real?

What would this look like? And it's almost like this movie took it into a modern age. The same idea of like these three women are caught up in the witches, in the devil's lair and then, you know, they got seduced by the devil. Right. Yeah.

I wonder if we've talked about three witches and the devil on Val Pergisnot over in Germany. I wonder if there's any. You know, resemblance, semblance, whatever symbolism here that matches to that in this story about Eastwick, do you see any common denominator there other than the three witches? That's all I can go on. Well, yeah, it's interesting that Val Pergisnot is this celebration like that originated with getting rid of witches.

Yeah. And then has been transferred into something where the pagan community like celebrates during that time. And the plot of this movie kind of, I don't know, kind of coming full circle almost. Yeah. It's like these women finding their powers together, you know, through this devil character and then being and then flipping the whole script into being released and independent from the devil.

Coming into their own. Right. Hmm. Interesting. Anyway.

The devil in this movie couldn't have been played by anybody else. I'll be honest. OK. So when I was a kid, I used to watch this movie when it was like on TV. Right.

So it was usually the censored version. I did not 100 percent understand as a kid what was going on. I do remember thinking to myself, this guy's not really attractive. Yeah. Physically.

Now, as an adult, I'm like, well, he has a certain suavness about him. I can kind of see that the voice and all of that. But as a kid, I was like, I don't get what these women see in this guy. And then I remember being really confused about who is this guy's girlfriend. Yeah.

I remember asking myself, like, wait, so all three of them are his girlfriend, but they all don't seem to mind that they're all sharing him. I was so confused as a kid. So it's so interesting how my like little kid brain and then bringing it into my adult self being like. Yeah. 1987.

Once again, I had to bring up the time period, but polyamory was not very wasn't a thing. Still not very favored now. If you talk to general consensus, but it's probably a whole lot more. Open to now than it was then. So you being confused on that, you probably weren't the only one, you know, even as a kid, you weren't the only one.

I know. I was like, but they're all OK with it for some reason. So that was yeah, it was eye opening. I think it was good for me. It was good for me to keep an open mind as a as a, you know, kid growing up.

It was like, oh, OK, to each their own, I suppose. Right. Like, I mean, what else are you going to do? Yeah. But in in being like the way that my kid self thought about Jack Nicholson and yet perfect, perfect for this role as you know, which is essentially the devil.

I mean, I don't think they're trying to hide the fact that he's supposed to play the devil or a double. He even says in like one of the opening scenes, he's like, I'm just a horny little devil. And oh, this seduction scene, I think it's when he's laying on a bed. And what a great scene that is. Oh, good.

I have seen clips and recordings of shared speech in that scene. And it is still one of my favorite movie speeches of all time. The one where she goes off on him, your repulsive, your, you know, she just lays into him about how unattractive and how sleazy he is, which I love because I was like, I'm thinking all the same things. I'm like, there's no way that I would have anything to do with this man. And yet somehow he is so charming.

And he gives his speech about how you do the dishes, the dishes will just be dirty again. If you clean up, they'll just be dirty again. If you make the beds, they'll just be slept in again. You know, he just gives a speech where it's like all that stuff you do. Doesn't matter.

You might as well just do what you want and what you need to do. Let's talk about this speech that speech about women. That's the one you're talking about, I think. Yeah. To me, he hit Pete Nicholson here.

It's it's the kind of monologue really. It'll make it like literally made me say, did he just say that? Like, that's what it was. I know. And I think he's seducing her with words.

He is. In all of his sleazy glory. Yeah, literally, like he delivers a monologue. It's both here's the thing with this one, it's both infuriating and fascinating at the same time. Goes on about how men are scared of powerful women, how they call them witches and burn them at the stake because you can't handle your own insecurities.

Still going on today, by the way, that's still for sure. We're doing different ways of burning witches today. Yeah, but this speech, it's a wild ride. It makes you basically want to like I wanted to throw set on my screen, but I wanted to applaud. I wanted to clap at the same time.

No, I know. And he says marriage. Good for the man kills the woman. He does. It does.

It's and it's so over the top. But he's literally in this moment. I think he's channeling every devil character he ever plays previous to this and after this, because it's all right here. To me, like I said, peak, peak Nicholson in the monologue. Like it's fantastic.

It is. It's a great speech, but. At the same time, it's fucked up, you know, I know, I know. And yeah, I mean, the reason it's so enticing and I mean, you can see Cher's character, Alex, and she's just she's not really reacting. She's almost leaned back and she's just listening and she's like.

Who are you? Because it's it's it's like all these things he's saying, not wrong. He's mansplaining. He's mansplaining a woman's experience, right? Like he's explaining to women how the world works and simultaneously trying to get in their pants.

Yeah. What? Like that's what it is, which I have to point out is very contradictory to you. When they decide they need to. And by the way, they very gently just propose that maybe they all take a break from hanging out with each other when things get a little crazy.

Yeah. And we'll talk about like that. But when when the when the three women gently suggest, you know, we should take a break from hanging out with each other. Obviously, we have a lot of power together when we're together. But things are getting a little crazy.

Let's just take a break. Let's all, you know, not see each other for a little while. I'm reasonable, perfectly reasonable. And yet this is when zero band horn takes this tantrum. And he's like, literally, when Alex comes to see him and talk to him, he is literally throwing a tantrum.

He's ironing and he's like, I'm ironing because nobody else will do it. And then he's like, what do all men want? And he's stomping his feet all over the floor. And he's like, I just want a little attention, a little gratitude, a little appreciation. And I'm like, wait, is this like opposite of his speech from the beginning, which is that women need to be appreciated and that women, you know, you're holding up the world and blah, blah, blah.

And I'm like, so now he's just acting like every other man that these women have probably experienced in their lifetime, which is like, wait, what? It's an element. I think it's. The movie itself is just a critique on those attitudes like it's they wanted him to go up like that, I think. And it comes back around to him in a satisfying way, basically.

And then you find out, you know, the real stars of the movie are Cher, Serena, Pfeiffer, the witches. And you find out that they are powerful women and they are not to be messed with, though. Right. So I have a theory about this. You tell me what you think.

OK. I think because in the beginning they conjure him, right. They say I want a dark sun, a dark horse, I want to. They even say not too attractive. They even lay on active.

They was I'm like, all right. Maybe I can read that back. They literally describe Jack Nicholson. I thought that was great. Go ahead.

Go ahead. Yes. So they conjure him up. And then he wants the three of them at his house, hanging out and doing their magic. He's fascinated by them.

He's noticing what they've got going on. Right. What if he himself is not that powerful? What if he needed them? And that's why he showed up.

And he was like wanting them to be in his vicinity and his his besties, because he he probably didn't have enough power or whatever it was that he possessed. He needed them. They did conjure him up. Yeah. He came.

Makes me wonder because he got so upset when they were like, we need to chill. Like we need to all separate because it's just a little too much for what's going on. People are getting hurt. We don't want people to get hurt. That wasn't our intention.

Yeah. And I feel like he probably couldn't have done any of the magic or any the power that he possessed. He couldn't have done it on his own. He needed them. That's a different.

That's my theory. That's a different take now. Now we got to go out there and watch it again. We got to. Hey, watch the movie again and keep that idea in mind, that theory.

I like that. Now you got me thinking, see, now I'm like, yeah, because we've kind of seen that in other movies. We've seen that in a couple of other movies that we've talked about where basically somebody was sucking the power off the other ones. And that's how they became who they were. Yeah.

Why else do witches need covens? They need more than I mean, let's just look at Disney's Agatha all along series that they've got going on right now. She needed to she needed to get a coven together to be able to perform as much magic as she needed to do the road anyway. So you need more than one. You need to meet a few of you together.

And the movie starts out with these women talking about how they're really sick of this one guy they work with, Walter, who was like a sexual predator and icky. And, you know, they're talking about like he hit on me right in front of his wife. His wife was sitting right there. Each of them has a story about Walter. They're like, he tried to hit on me, too.

He tried to do this to me. He tried to do that. You know, he grabbed me, whatever. And, you know, they're basically talking about how they're just kind of sick of that. Like, like, you know, what does he think I am?

So they were the ones that caused the rainstorm at the very beginning. And they're like, wait, just by thinking about it, all three of us thought the same thing. And then we caused the rainstorm to start on his speech. Right. Yes.

They realize they're powerful right from the very beginning. But I don't think they realize the gravity that they could, you know, of what they could do until later, though. Yeah. Yeah. The scene with with Felicia.

Poor Felicia. Let's get in. Let's talk about Felicia and Clyde, because holy shit, like that's poor. They're not even like a like this is in a movie. This is like your your B plot.

This is just a side plot or something. But they are just as good as anybody else in the movie. They're front and center to me. You got the you got the infamous. Cherry vomit.

Cherry pit scene. You got. Which was cut down, by the way. Did you? I did.

If you watch that scene close, you can tell it's cut down because there's a one there's one shot. And you can see that like the entire wall covered, like you can see way more vomit on the walls that didn't get shown. So you're like, wait, what happened? And then, yes, I did know that that was a way longer scene. They had a robot or something that was supposed to do this.

And it's been a bunch of money on it. And that's all it got. That's all it was used for. So, yeah, yeah. My dad was watching the movie with me.

He's like, I have to leave during the scene. I can't watch this. It's pretty it didn't bother me that much. I don't know why it didn't. You know what, though?

You know, it was weird. Was I was eating a Yoplait, Yoplait, and it was cherry at the same time. Oh, wait. So I had to taste it. I'm like.

Huh. But I didn't ever get that. I didn't feel sick. So it's OK. It was all right.

Well, I mean, right from the very start, after she has her fall down the stairs, when Darryl first comes into town and yeah, it's all, you know, something's really weird about all this. Everyone's forgetting his name. They can't remember what his name was. And then they all remember this at once. And she has her accent falls on the stairs.

And she's never the same again. She was already kind of maybe a religious fanatic. You can kind of see hints of that in the beginning. But she was very much like saying, do you think that's why do you think that's why he affected her? Is she a conduit?

Was she like the complete opposite? And she was like the good. And it was like, all right, I'm going to get in. And he's definitely an oracle of some kind. They don't like once she kind of.

Yeah, once she kind of loses it, loses her sanity a bit. She's talking about him in terms of like something's not right about him. And those women are getting caught up in him. And there's debauchery happening at that house. And she's kind of like she reminds me and bewitched the neighbor that's always like peeking over the, you know, she's looking.

She knows something else is going on. She doesn't know what it is. But she's saying some pretty specific things that are accurate. She's even saying those poor women, like she knows that they're not. They don't know that they're wrapped up in this and that they are in danger.

They're in trouble. And then she even predicts that they're going to have his sons, that he's going to want to procreate. And she says all this right before her untimely death. But yeah, she's kind of like an oracle. And like, if you look back in ancient history, there's a lot of.

Hints at oracles and seers and in Nordic tradition, there's the vulva. They are women who are, you know. They have a gift of being able to see or prophesy things, but they they have fits like they're not. There's some indication that they don't appear saying when they are having their oracle moment, when they're like, you know, speaking and prophesying. So that's what this reminded me of is she's like unwell.

She's kind of screaming. Yeah. And it's scary. And her husband is like, oh, you don't know what to do. He's drinking again.

Clyde is drinking again. So he's got that going on. He doesn't know how to act. You got her saying all these things. She says she went before she starts puking up the cherry pits.

She says he's trying to get inside of me and she starts doing the the. Yeah. Yeah. That's real, though, because he is Darryl is trying to get inside of her in her mind, in her whatever. Yeah.

Yeah. Like a possession. He keeps feeding the girls cherries. You know, the cherry, he knows what's happening. He knows what's going on.

Yeah. I found that very I don't know. It was it was a moment in the movie where you're like, oh, there is a lot of power going on, like because up until then, she's just kind of she fell. She could have fallen around. She some other stuff happened.

She didn't eat any cherries. Yeah. And she's just throwing up cherry pits. And oh, man. Yeah.

They said that robot was a real. Real scene still around the set. I know it was very like I have to say for the time period that this was filmed and everything else, it was very realistic. And I remember, yeah, like a physical reaction watching it when I was. I remember thinking, oh, this is horrible.

Like, I think I have a really visceral fear of throwing up anyway. Like, I'm the kind of person who, when I do get sick, I pretty much hold back from throwing up for as long as I possibly can. So maybe there's something to that. My own reaction to it is like, no. Right.

Let's talk about the town. Yeah. Pretty stereotypical, like New England type of feel. Much like in practical magic. Yeah, they were going to film this thing in Little Compton, Rhode Island is where they originally had planned.

But then I think they found out that. Well, their movie, their their town and their church was going to be used for witches, like a witch movie. And they said, no. So. Imagine the uproar.

Yeah. And they found that out. I mean, honestly, it's like inviting Dracula to a garlic festival. Like, that's what that would be. That's what it would be.

Yeah. So what happened? They moved to Cohasset, Massachusetts. Yes. Where the locals there, they were way more chill.

And they actually ended up being extras and on set extras in the movie and then behind the scenes, too. So, I mean, who wouldn't want to have all that fake vomit on them? I wonder who volunteered to do that for them or clean it up. Yeah, because it's not just Felicia. It was Darryl at the end.

Same trick on him. Yeah. I don't know why, but I have flashes of Danny Devito in that scene. Everything that was in, he just like gross, right? Like really disgusting scenes when he was penguin and Batman and he was like eating a fish or like every scene he's done and always sunny in Philadelphia.

It's like a little bit like drool coming down his face or something. And Jack Nicholson in that scene just reminded me of that. That's funny. Did you speak of Batman? Not long after this movie, Jack Nicholson comes into the role of the Joker.

There's a little there's a little Easter egg in this movie, though. There's a shot of a Joker behind Jack Nicholson in one of the scenes. Yeah. Yeah. Go back and notice that.

I did. And Batman would have come out about a year after this, I guess. Well, give or take year or two for the original. So I did notice that little Easter egg. Maybe that's just me.

And then you've got the connection with Michelle Pfeiffer being Catwoman. Boom. There you go. Same movie, wasn't it? Every Catwoman, she was in the second one.

The second one. Yeah. He was in the first one. So. Every catwoman that's ever played Catwoman since Michelle Pfeiffer has to live up to her, in my opinion.

There's nothing like Michelle Pfeiffer is Catwoman. Her looks out of the building and then her look at the camera and saying meow. I'll never live that down. That's my favorite. Halle Berry is up there for me.

Halle Berry. Oh, yeah. Yeah, that's the two. That's your two queens of. But as you'll grasp, again, just my my girl crushes.

Right. What else you got? What else you want to say about this movie? I got a lot I could say, but we better not go too long because. Yeah.

Yeah. Oh, my gosh. Both of these movies together, there's just so much. And so I think I will say these two movies to me, I'm glad they got added to our. Project because they are quintessential movies for which movies like these two.

Everything else is after this. Like, really, like, sure, go ahead. I didn't mean to cut you off there. Oh, you're OK. Yeah.

I well, I was going to like wrap up kind of the theme here in the way that I. Feel about. I'm kind of the theme of this movie for the three women. It's like liberation, right? I mean, Darrell Van Horm start, he sort of seduces them with the idea of let go of your inhibitions, right?

I mean, you see that especially in the scene with Jane and the the cello. Yeah. Extremely uptight, extremely reserved. She's a nervous wreck. You just see how very timid she is and tight and tight.

Yeah. And honestly, a reflection of women in general and how we're raised from little girls to be the right kind of woman. Right. We're raised to be like, this is what men want as their wives. This is what a well behaved woman looks like.

This is what a good Christian woman looks like. You know, all of the ways that we're brought up to live inside of certain boundaries that are acceptable, which are, as anyone watched the Barbie movie, you can say impossible standards to live up to. Right. And you see that in the scene with Jane. So she's playing the the cello and he's the one that kind of liberates her from that.

What a state awakening her sexual energy and, you know, liberating her from from her tightness into like play with passion. Be yourself. Of course, the reaction from the town, again, is pretty stereotypical. Is that they're all calling her a slut. They are the point where she's at the grocery store and she's just over there like she's eating chocolate and pickles out of a jar.

And she's like, oh, that chocolate's the best. I love that. And she's wearing whatever she feels good in. And she's just being holy herself. And then, you know, the women in the village in the town are like slut.

You know, and she's looking at the newspaper, like newspaper and all. All the rumors of what's going on at that house. And she's realizing like, oh, there are like consequences for living my life the way that I want to live it. But what they truly get to realize is that they are not beholden to this even masculine authority, which comes in the form of Darrell Van Horn, like they're liberating themselves from society's expectations. And then eventually they have to liberate themselves from his expectations, even if he's the one that liberated them.

Right. It's like. Yeah, they're a master. He's the master of unmastered women. Yeah, that I am using.

So I was reading in defense of witches during the time that I was, you know, getting ready to review this movie. A book by Monash Mona Shalai Shalai. OK. So in defense of witches is, you know, basically a book about, you know, the ramifications of witches throughout history in our socioeconomic world. And they actually sort of referencing this movie.

Really? Like. OK, so this is what she says in this movie, in this book, she's saying, what if instead of saying the devil, we replace the word devil with independence? But if in every witch trial that's ever gone on, where women are like accused of signing the devil's book and being, you know, having the devil be their master, what if the devil is just their own independence? I love it.

Now, you replace that in every story, including this one, these three women, and say at the end of this movie, when they finally get to use their powers to liberate themselves completely from his power and his being their master, that's when they're like really free. I love that. But they had to come together because they got seduced separately, basically, and then as they when they come together is when they became powerful. And. Yep.

And they were able to come over, overcome their jealousies or their egos or, you know, what they were looking for, each of them and say, we can actually take back our power. Like, we're the ones who have the power. That's where my theory comes in, where it's not him. It's them. He needed them.

Seen it more clear now. He did. Yeah, I love this movie. Final, my final thought on this movie is I'm going to have to watch it again, especially after you just gave me all that theories and stuff. I'm like, not that I wasn't already, because, like I said, I mean, with the cast like this, I'm surprised this one flew under my radar this long, really.

Yeah, it was incredible. I really do. I like this movie. This will be a Halloween tradition for me every year. I put this into my repertoire of movies and I had to keep watching this because I enjoyed it.

I thought it was great. It's all over the top. Every piece, every bit of it was over the top in the best way, though. So, yeah. Yeah.

So our audience just needs to decide, because if my pick, before we even started any of these movies, if I was to pick our movie for the final movie screening event, it would be Practical Magic. So I guess we just have to wait and see. The audience needs to decide of these movies, which is our favorite. Got to vote. But the event is October 26th, Saturday at Novel Daybreak by Crescent Communities.

I can't wait for this event. You can get your tickets out there right now. You can find the event page. It's on Facebook. We got Land of a Thousand Hills donating prizes for our costume contest.

I can't wait. I can't wait for that. You got yours already. I don't have mine yet. Yep.

I went down to Spark at Trolley Square. They've got some amazing outfits there. They they have got our flyer up to sell tickets. So if you're looking for the tickets, you can look at the flyer that I have up around town. Spirit Halloween was there yesterday, picked up some, you know, they're open for the for the time being in the district.

So we're, yeah, getting our costumes ready. And I'm like, hey, you guys need to encourage people to buy up their costumes to get ready for this contest so they can win a gift card to the coffee shop. I love that. Let's go ahead and wrap this thing up. Get on out of here.

Yeah. If you want to know more about spells and rituals and creating witchcraft, you can follow me on my podcast, Practically Magic. Stole that name from the movie. Stole it. I'm kidding.

She it's a oh, come on, guys out there. And magic's even spelled with a K. Come on. Yeah. Some things about the same.

Let me thank our sponsors. Novel Daybreak by Crescent Communities. Got to thank them. Proud sponsors of this entire project. Also, we got to thank Liv Cake Parties.

Who else we got, Courtney? Pure Sweat and Float Studio in South Jordan. Thank you for supporting our project and allowing us to basically watch movies for fun.