Hello, welcome to Practically Magick, Witches and Wizards. We're here today with a guest. This is Esther Graves, my good friend. Hello. She is a Human Design expert today.

We're gonna be talking Human Design. I'm so excited. She taught me everything I know, which is very little at the moment, but I'm working on it. I'm a terrible student, but I'm slowly getting used to it. I've been working with it since 2019 and there are still things that I have to go back to, right over whose book or something because I'm like, wait, what's this?

Yeah, no, it's. And there's a lot of great resources out there, which is the good news. So you're gonna tell us some resources we can go to get that obviously taking a class is an awesome idea. You're also a medium, so let's not forget that. Any other titles that you want people to know about?

So I typically refer to myself as a psychic medium. Not every psychic is a medium, but every medium is a psychic is kind of the rule that I follow. Yeah, I, psychic medium, I read Tarot, Oracle. I love teacher is a big word for me. I love to teach whether it is, like oftentimes when I'm doing a mediumship reading, it ends up being educating people about what's going on on the other side, what's happening, what their loved ones are experiencing, all that jazz.

So yeah, teacher is another. Same, same. I'll always be a teacher at heart, I think too. So yeah, it's the same boat. So we're gonna start pulling a card as we do on this podcast.

This is my favorite way to start the day and start our episodes. And you get to be here to help us interpret the card and what comes up for you. Can you tell me what the deck is that you're using? I left it over there so I can't grab it, but it's the Osho Zen Tarot deck, which is a little obscure. Like I'll be honest, this is one that I struggle with a little bit because it doesn't look traditional.

It doesn't have obvious suits and major arcana that you usually see. So I read it a little bit more like an Oracle deck, like each card, just pull it and see intuitively what comes up because it's a little bit out there for a tarot deck. I love the more unique decks. I love the decks that tell a very different and unique story because it helps you gain a different perspective on what could be otherwise a very typical experience. Oh gosh.

Even as I'm shuffling, there's cards just flying out. That doesn't usually happen. You asked for one, you're getting five. Yeah, okay. So I will show, so for those who are watching on YouTube and you can see the video, I will show what the card looks like and so Esther can see it.

I love a card that tells a story. See if I can explain it. What is it? I couldn't read what it was. It's a sort of clown like character celebrating with lots of confetti around them and they're riding a tiger.

The number on the card is six. And the word that comes with it is success. So that makes me think six of wands maybe. It's not obvious. And I don't have the guidebook for on purpose because I don't want to even be told what it might be.

But we're just gonna read it intuitively. What do you think this message is for people? If they were listening now, and by the way, I just say whenever you happen upon this episode and whatever the card pull is, it's what's meant for you at this time. So for audience who are listening, this is your card for this week. What would you say is like the message we're giving?

I mean, we did just make it through eclipse season. So success, we made it. We made it through. So sixes come after fives and fives are typically some sort of conflict. And so that success of like, hey, we made it through.

And even though it might seem like a small win, a win's a win and we can celebrate and be proud of ourselves for that accomplishment. That's my take on it. I love that because that is what I need. I need just a little bit of like, we made it through that. Esther knows that we had AC out at my house and we couldn't even record last week.

Like eclipse season just wrecked me. But yeah, I love the idea of just like celebrating whatever, even any tiny little wins that you happen to have, whatever's going on with you in your life, just say, at least I made it through that. At least I'm here. And maybe with a little bit of whimsy and a little bit of like, it doesn't have to make sense for you to go for it and do it. Like the writing of Tiger to me is just like, why?

Cause we want to. Cause we can't, well, and it signals a quiet power that that individual is under control of. That like, they're not trying to force the power. They're not trying to, like the clown was just kind of lazily writing, right? They weren't trying, I didn't see a rain or anything like that.

We're just writing this power, writing this force and celebrating as we move through the parade. Just going through it. Yeah, I wrote an elephant once. And you know, it was one of those things that they're right. You know, they put you on one and they just ride around in a little circle with kids and stuff.

And I remember thinking, this elephant could go anywhere they want to go and nobody would be able to stop it. And you think it's absolutely perfect. Are we ready to dive into Human Design chart? Absolutely. That's a good segue, right?

Because I am an elephant. Yeah, the elephant is in my opinion, what the manifestor is, the archetype. There's a couple of different things that I equate different parts of your chart too, to help people understand a little bit better. Oh, that's interesting. So give us like an overview, like what is Human Design for somebody who's like, wait, this is the whole other thing.

So Human Design is a system that combines astrology, numerology, the eye chain, the Kabbalah, your chakra, some quantum physics, puts all of these systems together to create a new system that shows you your body's energetic blueprint. So it shows you where you hold your own consistent energy and you loan that out for other people to experience life in your unique way and where you're gonna take on energy from other people so that you can experience life in all the many different varieties and flavors and experiences that there are to offer. Knowing your Human Design, understanding your Human Design, even if it's just two different pieces that are probably the most important pieces of it, your orotype and your, sorry, your orotype and then your strategy with that. And then the second part being your authority, your body's way of communicating what is right to you. You minimize conflict with universal energies, with other people's energies.

You get into flow, you get into authenticity, you get into, you find yourself. I have done a couple readings this last week with some people who are just being introduced to it and there was one lady that she started crying because I was describing to her how she has felt her whole life. She's my age, she's in her 40s and she has felt the way that I was describing her chart. That's how she felt. But she was trying to conform to what everyone else was doing and trying to do what everyone else is doing and it wasn't working and she was just getting rejected and rebuffed and not betrayed, but the feeling of betrayed, of I thought these people knew me, I thought these people saw me when in fact they didn't.

Just trying to make her into something that fit their narrative or their expectation. And that's exactly how I felt when I found Human Design in 2019. I was doing readings at a shop here in the Salt Lake Valley and I was in this back seated area and I could hear the gal who was running the store and her friend who had come in to visit, they were chatting at the front desk and I could hear them talking but I couldn't hear what they were saying but I had goosebumps everywhere. And so I got up and I walked just casually, eavesdropping, just got closer and the closer and closer I got, the more intense the chills got. And then when I was hearing what they were saying, I didn't understand anything but I knew I needed to know everything, all of it.

And so then they had me pull up my chart and this was kind of the beginning of Human Design making its way here into the US. It's still, a month later, the very first app on our phones were made available. And so a month later I found this app and I downloaded it and purchased everything that I could and that's still the app that I use, it's the Human Design app. Went out and bought, so the founder of Human Design is a man called Ra Uruhu, don't ask me what it means, I don't remember but he worked together with a woman named Linda Penel and they published a book, it's $50, I can only ever find it on Amazon, I can never find it anywhere else but I still use it as a reference. So Ra, when he wrote his book, when he put all of this information out there, he knew that it was meant to grow, change and evolve as people took their own interpretations of it.

Like for example, probably one of the things we're gonna talk about is the terminology. Ra would call people martyrs and heretics and people hear those words and they're like, F you. There might be a little bit of a wound in those titles. Yeah, they don't wanna. Yeah, and so people like Jenna Zoe, who is an Australian Human Design, she's more of an expert than I am, I would say cause she took Ra Uruhu and Linda Penel's courses in Ibiza, Spain.

So this was developed in Spain. So if you're ever looking at something that Ra put out, it's in Spanish originally and then they translate it and like Spain, Spanish, not like, like I don't speak English, I speak American. I speak to Utah specifically. There's a difference. People from Utah or have been to Utah will understand that.

Yes, yes. So Jenna Zoe took on the whole Human Design system and mostly left everything like the same, but some of the things she changed was the terminology. And so for example, she calls the manifestor the fire starter, right? There's another gal, I can't remember her name, but she's pretty big in the Human Design world. And she calls you guys initiators, which is another word that I think is a really amazing word because that is what you are here to do.

You are here to get something started, not necessarily finish it though. You are here to launch things. And that's where I see your energy as the rocket, right? You get this huge launch. So if you are looking at your chart and you see pure manifestor, manifesting generator, another creature, okay?

Just manifestor. You are a fire starter. You are initiators. You are here to get something started. You're an elephant.

You are here to lead by doing your own thing, by not telling people what to do, not being bossy. You're telling people, this is what I'm doing. This is what I'm getting started. This is the direction I'm going in. Get on board or get out of my way.

That's what a manifestor is. So historically you guys were leaders in like, you would go and conquer a territory and then rule over it. But now, unfortunately, when we have manifestors in position of power, they are looking at the big picture. Like that is your guys' focus, right? Is the big picture of all of the people.

And so manifestors will put in systems that are blanket coverage, right? That it's not super customizable. It's not super, right? And so we have projectors coming onto the scene who are connecting with the individual on an individual setting up systems that are customizable to what the individual needs. Because we live in a society of plenty.

Like I know that like media and things like that are gonna tell you that we're living in a day and age that it's survival of the fittest and it's not anymore. Like we have so much and so many resources. There's more than enough to go around. And anyway, that's a whole thing. Well, on behalf of the manifestors, so we're kind of getting into, we'll get into my chart a little bit because I've done readings with Esther where I'll come and say, oh my gosh, I'm feeling so lost career wise.

I don't know what I should be focusing on. I feel like I need a little direction here, which has been super helpful because Human Design in my opinion, and I heard somebody else say it this way, which is like, if you're a vacuum and you're trying to operate as a blender, you're doing life like all wrong because you're not a blender, you're a vacuum. You're meant to be a vacuum, you're meant to do this. So seeing and knowing your Human Design chart can be so powerful in like, don't try to waste that time and energy being somebody you're not or trying to operate in a certain way that you're not meant to. And so I think it was really helpful to me to know that.

And on behalf of manifestors who are the leaders and dictators previously of this world, I absolutely get that because I think my family would call me the dictator of our family and our home and how I run it. But I am happy to hand over leadership. I am happy to do it. You guys are here to be autonomous. Yes, you're here to be autonomous and to do what you want in these lifetimes as a manifestor.

So, and that was another thing that I usually say is we choose the bodies that we do because we know they're going to be built and designed in a specific way so we have the experience and we learn the lessons that we're here to learn in this lifetime. So, yes. So to put things in perspective, 9%, 9% of the world population is a pure manifestor versus the 70% of the world population that is a generator or a manifesting generator that has generator energy in it, right? Yeah, okay. 70% versus 9%.

So most manifestors try to be generators. They try to live in response because that's the generator strategy is to respond to life as it comes to them rather than as manifestors here to inform people to get things started, to get things going, to initiate and to get things launched. The manifestor aura pushes out in a way versus the generator aura that pulls in. And so, yeah, a lot of manifestors in particular get so angry because people are trying to tell them what to do and they can feel that that is not right. They are the one meant to be informing and telling people this is what I'm doing.

You do you, you're not trying to control anybody. You're not trying to tell anybody else what they need to be doing. You are just telling people this is what I'm doing. Get on board with it or get out of my way. Sorry, I don't know, the allergies and all that stuff has been messing with my vocal cords for the last couple of days.

So this is fun. I know, seasonal changes and all that. It's just beautiful and wonderful. I don't get it in my vocal cords. I get it in my eyes and then I tear up and then everyone thinks I'm crying all the time.

Like, eh, eh, I'm just emotional. You know, I'm a Pisces, so get emotional. Oh yes, the Pisces. My Pisces moon understands. Although like randomly I'll just wake up one morning and just need to cry all day long.

And my husband's like, what's wrong? And I'm like, I don't know, just leave me alone. Just go over in the corner. It's what I meant to do, I know. And that eclipse, as you mentioned, was like intense kind of emotional energy.

But you pulled at my chart too, in the moment of when the eclipse was happening, seeing like different places in the chart that were activated and that the astrology and what's going on in the astrology can affect all of those things. And that was kind of insane to me, because I was like, I absolutely feel way more intuitive for some reason this last few weeks. Like I felt like, I don't know how I know, but I know things. My son was so angry at me because I'd be like, you were watching TV in this room before I walked in, weren't you? And he was like, no.

And I'm like, look, I know. You don't have to, I'm like, I don't know how I know, but I know, look, your mom's a witch. I don't know what to tell you, just you can't get away with anything, okay? Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. So yeah, so over that period of time, at least here in this part of the world, the current transits were activating. So inside your chart, for those of you who don't know, there's something called gates. Jenna Zoe calls them gifts. And they are, they correlate to the 64 gates of the eye chain, which is an ancient divination method.

But in Human Design, they represent personality traits, characteristics that are either selectively activated. So like they're activated by the planets moving around, or they are activated all the time by your birth chart, right? So at the time, sorry, at the time gate 57 and gate 20 were activated, and that is, we call it a psychic channel, because 57 is the gate of the future. It can show up as a fear of the future or anxiety about the future of what's going to happen. But a lot of people who have gate 57 have future telling psychic abilities.

Like it's a thing. And going up to 20, which I'm trying to remember, and this is the thing, like I don't have all of the gates memorized. Yeah, well, why would you have to if you've got all of the resources available? Yes, contemplation, the now, the power of presence and action in the moment is key to this gate. You act and speak with clarity when fully attuned to the present without the need to plan ahead.

Anyway, so it's kind of like all about speaking connected to where things are going. And so when that full channel is activated either in someone's chart all the time or by the planets, it comes up as an ability to see what the natural progression and flow of things is going to go. So we can get a bit more clarity and understanding about the choices of like, okay, this is what is most likely going to happen. I have free will and control, so I can change that. So if I don't like the feel of how that is going, I can make different choices that are then going to change that outcome.

Does that make sense? Mm-hmm, yeah, yeah. And that kind of answers people's questions because I know that there are people that are gonna be like, well, if everything's written out and it's this way and it's very stagnant and very stuck, I mean, the whole idea of fate versus destiny, the orlug and the veerd and Nordic mythology, it's like how much control and free will do we have and what is written out for us? I think that makes a lot of sense to me. Yeah, so in Human Design, you have the centers, which are the shapes, and those correlate to the sharpness.

I'm gonna show a little, this is my chart, I'll show on the screen so those who can see. The diamond in the center, it's white. Just below the square, the brown square, or the sort of red square, I can't tell from, anyway. It's brown on mine, but it's a different one than yours. So yeah, so that diamond is called the G center or the identity center.

And so for someone who has an undefined, it's white, there's no consistent energy in that center, meaning they're gonna take on the energy of other people. And so for those individuals, we have a little bit more control over what we're doing, where we're going. Did we make a plan of the things we wanted to do in this lifetime? Yes. It just means that we are more likely to veer so far off left field, off away from the plan, the original plan.

And we do tend to spend more time searching, trying to find where it is that we're going. And so we do have, at least once a month, there's an identity crisis. Who am I? What am I doing with my life? Where am I going?

So that's mine, that's on my chart? That's you. This is explaining a lot. That's both of us. That's both of us, because neither one of us has a defined identity.

So we conform and we adapt to the people that were around. And so people see that in my chart and they're like, oh, you're a Gemini, you're two-faced, blah, blah, blah. No, I'm matching your energy. Whatever. You're bad.

Yeah, whatever energy you are putting out, I automatically pick up. There was just a minute ago that I was chatting with one of my best friends and I hadn't seen her for a minute and someone commented and they're like, oh my gosh, are you related? And I'm like, no, she's been my best friend since we were like babies. And they're like, but your mannerisms are so, and I'm like, well, yes, but we've been friends for so long. And I also will pick up on other people's mannerisms when I'm in conversations with them.

Like if someone talks more with their hands, I will talk more with my hands. And that also goes with the throat chakra, which is the defining feature of a manifestor is they have consistent energy in their throat connected to a motor. So you have it connected from your throat down to the emotional solar plexus. Yeah, right there. And so you are here to communicate about how you feel.

Right, that is, I feel a lot. I feel like it's very, very Pisces, very Pisces energy. Very Pisces. It's not super appreciated by some of the family members that are like- That's fine. You're not everyone's cup, like you're not everybody's shot of whiskey and that's fine.

Yeah, so that emotional solar plexus is a motor. So you have your own consistent voice, but that is also why you can say hi to somebody in the grocery store and they tell you their whole life story because they don't have a defined identity. I don't have a defined identity, which is why I talk so much when we're at the store and I'm like over here and then I'm over here. Hi everybody. Yeah, well, and when I first get there, especially, watch me, watch me later, watch me.

Cause as soon as I get around, if I haven't come within six feet of Sage yet, I, who's my coworker at the conjuring tree, if I haven't come into contact with him yet, I'm chill, I'm calm, I'm focused. And then I get around him and I pick up his manifesting generator energy and he is a generator on speed and he's like, and that's why I'm like, I can't sit still. I need to get all the things done. And that's a big part of why Tuesdays at the end of the day, you see me laying on the floor. Yeah, yeah.

I'm usually at the conjuring tree at Tuesdays and this is where I met Esther. Well, yeah, it is where I met Esther and Sage is our coworker. He's going to be on our podcast in a future episode. So stay tuned for that. That's on the schedule.

He's such a doll. I mean, our conversations on Tuesdays, it's just like, oh, this should be a podcast. We're just sitting here chatting about design and herbology and all these different things. And I'm like, we need to talk about it. So yeah, that's what brought us here today.

But I see you too. Just ping, ping, ping all over the store. I'm kind of sitting there like, I'll just kind of sit here and get some work done and wait for a reading and that's fine. Nope, not when we're there. Well, and the owners of the store have commented, how do you guys get stuff done?

You're spending so much time talking. And I'm like, yeah, we do. And then we get to work. And then we come back and talk. It does get done.

It's very efficient. I don't have a complaint at all, but it's like, he was messaging me earlier. It feels, the energy feels like, woo. It's fun. Tuesdays are my favorite day of the week to work.

Like I love being with all of the coworkers. Like they're all great. But like there is something very different about Tuesdays working with Sage. So when was it? It's a fun place to be.

So stop by on Tuesday, come hang out with us. If you're around. We're there having a good time. You roll in at one. You roll in at one o'clock.

I roll in at two. Sage is there all day. But then you go home at six and Sage and I are there until we close. And yeah, it's always a good time. He was messaging me earlier before we got started with all this.

And he's like, hey, it's September 1st. Can we put up witch hats and spider webs? Cause it's time down. I'm ready. The weather outside just needs to catch up to the fall vibe.

It was 16. My windows were open most of the morning this morning. Like wide open, letting that cord just breeze. It is the first of the month. So I always recommend for people to go through and cleanse their home on the first of the month.

We do reset wards, whatever it is that you happen to do. But yeah, I just, and then I just left the windows open cause I'm like, this is beautiful. This is amazing. I know, let that energy flow. Let it flow.

So you are not a manifestor. No. You are not a manifesting generator. You're not a generator. So tell us about this other type.

I'm a very different creature. I'm an alien, legit. Like according to Ra'arahu, projectors did not exist on earth because we only had seven chakras at the time. And so it was not possible for a projector to exist. And then in the late 1700s, when we discovered the planet Uranus, our chakra system evolved and created the nine chakra center system that we have now in the Human Design system.

So that's what you're looking at there. So with that evolution, it changed the role of the chakras a little bit. And if you are an energy practitioner, you work Reiki, anything like that, understanding and like looking into the system and adjusting things a little bit differently. Like if you notice that someone's got something going on in the solar plexus area, but it's more to one side or the other, you're probably working, because that's one of the chakras that split and evolved is the solar plexus. And it created the emotional solar plexus and the spleen or splenic center, which is all about instinct, intuition, body awareness, fear, that kind of stuff.

And then the emotional part. It's like the gut feeling kind of thing that people talk about. Like I get it, really? And then the emotional solar plexus is the seat of emotions is where emotions are generated for people who are emotionally defined. There we go.

That's the word I was looking for. And then the heart chakra also split into two. And that's where we get the identity center and the will center. And so identity is about identity, direction and love. And the will center is about willpower, ego and courage.

That's why we are go with the flow people. We don't have it defined well. We are here to just be chill and not be headstrong and not like, yeah. I think I might've been fighting that for the first half of my life. I think that's why things didn't click.

Like I kept being told that same message constantly with one thing or another, even before Human Design, just one thing or another, the message is always, you gotta chill, you gotta go through, go with the flow. You cannot force things. You cannot make it happen. You cannot run yourself ragged, making it happen. It's not going to happen that way.

I don't know how many times I have to learn that lesson before it gets beaten into my head. Eventually it'll get there. You'll get there. You'll get there. I've been doing a lot more home cleansing sessions lately and I have really enjoyed it.

Like I love houses anyway. I just love houses. I would have been a real estate agent, but I hate paperwork and sales and all the other things. But I love houses. So yeah, getting to do an energy cleansing house is like my favorite thing now.

I watched a TikTok of you doing that, going around some cute little house. Yeah, I've had real estate agents that are having me do, I call it a listing reset. Yeah. It's like if you got a house on the market, it's just not moving. It's just...

My best friend that I was just talking about a minute ago, she's a real estate agent. She's with Keller Williams. I might give her your information. I've been working with them, yeah. Couple people from there.

She's a little bit woo woo. Okay, perfect. All right. I need to get her number. Yeah, later today.

Remind me. So back on track. Yes. I'm what is known as a projector. Projectors are called projectors because our aura projects into people, gets all up in their business so that we can know them and see them on another level that they can't even see themselves.

And something that I had the epiphany with a little while ago is I personally will see someone's highest potential of what they could be. And I unfortunately make the assumption that that is who they are now. There are moments that they probably are that version of themselves, but there's also a lot of moments where they're not that version. And so I get just crushed because the illusion is shattered of who I thought this person was. When really I was seeing them clearly, it was just more potential rather than who they are able to be.

Like not everybody is able to be their potential 100% of the time. And so that's also a lesson for me to be like, hey, chill. We're here to be human. So projectors have come onto the scene to meet with the individual, to help the individual manage their energy, manage themselves, to see themselves, we're quality control. We meet with people to show them where things aren't working, where things can improve and develop.

And like my mother was a teacher, she was an English teacher and she is a projector. And she is a grammar crazy lady. Like I don't wanna use the N word, that a lot of people wanna call it, but she would- Stickler for grammar. Yes, yes. And so my spelling is atrocious because spite, right?

You have to spite your mother. Anyway, and so that was her kind of wheelhouse was to help people refine their communication, their language, their minds, like all of that kind of stuff. For me, it happens to be Human Design and spiritual pursuits. That is my hyper fixation and that is where I am here to help other people. So projectors are here to share their wisdom.

They're not here to be worker bees. That's what the generators and the manifesting generators are for. They have the motor in that sacral chakra to sustain that worker bee energy. Projectors are here to teach and to guide. And very similarly to manifestors, we don't make our own energy.

We're reliant on the energy of those around us. And so if I am surrounded by people who are not leaning into what lights them up, they're not living in according to, if they're not living in their authenticity, I'm exhausted, I'm drained, I'm burned out. I'm having a hard time. And so it's compulsory for me to want to help people improve, but not everybody can hear a projector. That's the big thing.

Everybody can hear a manifestor, whether they like what they heard or not is different. But you're gonna hear a manifestor. You have no choice. We gotta team up, I think. What was that?

We gotta team up so I can be your voice and I can be like, Esther said. But for the people who do hear me, and so that's where the strategy comes in. So the manifestor strategy is to inform. The generator strategy is to respond to life as it comes to them. My strategy is to wait for an invitation before I open my big fat mouth, to wait for someone to see me before I try to share my wisdom.

And for you projectors out there, because I can't tell you how many times I've been sitting, listening to someone talk about their problem, talk about their issue, and I know, I know the exact thing they need to do that's gonna fix this. But I don't know that they can hear me. And so great way to get an invitation is to test the waters to say, I have an idea or I had a thought. Do you wanna hear it? I have an opinion.

Do you wanna hear it? Had an idea. Do you wanna hear it? The hard part is when they say no. Yes.

And then we're just like, okay. And you just have to deal, and you just have to go. Link up to the side. It's hard. I'm just here to listen.

It's fine. I mean, I think that's good advice for just about anybody. And as a manifestor, I could probably see myself as more of a bulldozer than I should be. Like just kind of going in there and being like, I'm gonna get in there and fix it. I'm gonna get in there and do all the things I need to do.

I'll just get in here and do my thing. But the thing is, is yeah, you're a four six, your profile numbers, how you learn and how you get shit done. Yes, let's talk about profile numbers. Cause your princess, is that your system of teaching? No, that's Jenna Zoe.

Oh, okay. Jenna Zoe, she- I love archetypes. Yes. It's easy to understand. So profile numbers, tell us about this.

So yeah, so profile numbers is how you learn, how you get things done. It's a combination of the numbers one through six, and there's 12 altogether. And they're in a very specific way. The math is weird. I don't, we don't have time to go into the math.

But each of the combination of the profile numbers, Jenna Zoe, who's the other name that I was talking about, who's big into Human Design, she made an Instagram post years and years and years ago that my brain memorized all of it, where she gave Disney archetypes to all of the profile numbers. Because that is how we, how a lot of people learn, is they associate one thing with another thing, and they create this connection in their brain that then helps them retain that information. And that was what it was for me. I'm a Disney nerd. I love Disney.

That helps me a lot. I grew up on it, yeah. So the four six, the Disney archetype of it is Snow White. And I'm trying to find archetypes that are not Disney, because not everybody loves Disney. Yeah, well, and I do.

I love Disney, I love the princesses. But when you told me Snow White, I was like, ugh, really? Right? I'm like, she's the worst one. No, no, she's, I mean, she's a child, right?

She's just a little bit, a little 14 year old. So the reason why that archetype is chosen for the four six is because she's the main character. The movie is named after her. What is she doing the entire movie? How can everybody else?

So the 12 profound numbers are grouped into three different categories. And there are personal karma is one category where people are here for themselves. They're here creating their karma. They're here for their own experiences, their own stuff, right? And then you have transpersonal who are here for other people.

They're here cleaning up their karma. They're here healing a lot of stuff, right? And they're here for others, right? It's transpersonal. And then you have juxtapositions who kind of float somewhere in between.

And they help personal karma people see other people's perspectives. They help transpersonal karma people see themselves. So the four six is the very last in the series of lifetimes of personal karma. So you are here for yourself. You are here for you.

You are here for your soul's experiences and lessons and journeys. But you are two transpersonal numbers. So numbers one through three are personal karma. Four, five and six are transpersonal karma. So it's this weird space where you're like, no, but I'm here for other people.

No, you're here for you. So that's where Snow White comes in of like, she's the main character. It's about her. The story is about her. But what is her focus the entire movie taking care of other people, doing for other people?

Yeah. It's really fascinating. And then I guess it's her happily ever after. Yeah, be taken care of. And that is another thing that happens with the four six is they're taken care of by people in their youth, their family members.

And then when they get to a certain age, they then turn around and take care of those who took care of them. And I see that specifically with one of my nephews. He and his mom are super, super, she's close to her other son as well, but the bond between her and the youngest one. And he is 11, almost 12 years old, and she still calls him the toddler. No, she's babied him.

And she takes care of him and she does everything for him. And she just had to have a surgery a little bit ago. And guess what this little 11 year old was doing the whole time he was helping her take care of her. Stopped him to help mom. It is so they take care of those.

As a mom of three boys. Yeah, yeah. I don't speak boy. So either, but here we are. When people sit down in a reading with me, a lot of times they're like, I wanna know my future.

I wanna know, like, is this, I'm gonna tell you guys right now, if you were ever going to get a reading, asking if the dumb boy is the one, no. The answer is automatically no. If you are getting a reading over whether or not you should stay with this person, leave. Right? That's it.

Yeah, I don't know if anybody has been on TikTok lately, but I do some TikTok live readings once in a while and I just grab a deck and I sit here in my cave and I'm like, let's do this. Pop in with a question, we'll just do one card, whatever. The questions I get, is he coming back? Is he my true love? Or am I pregnant?

Those are the things. Oh my God. It's coming, it's okay. I mean, in people's defense, I struggled with infertility for seven years. I get that question.

I like, I'm there. I know. I feel for them, same infertility over here. I'm like, I feel you, I feel for you in asking this question. I know what you're looking for, but see a doctor.

Don't ask a tarot reader if you're pregnant. Like please. Pianistic. Wait a week. Yeah, I...

But with Human Design, it's just helping you understand you. And there are fun things that Human Design can tell you, which is one of the things that I was looking up when we first got started, cause I'm like, oh, I can't remember. Cause I saw your coffee mug. Oh yeah. And so one of the things that it tells you is your food type.

And that is a beautiful mug. Right. So your food type is not a diet. It's a way that your body processes food as well as information. Mm-hmm.

So yours is thirst cold. So we should be swapping drinks. Yeah. Cause you run hot. Yeah.

I almost always wait till my coffee is cold before I even start drinking it. And then I'm like, it's perfect. Just start drinking iced coffee. So I started, I actually did it this morning. I brew a pot of coffee at the beginning of the week and I put it in a carafe container in my fridge.

And then I combine it with protein milk in the morning. And that's sometimes my breakfast. There's protein in it. So it counts as breakfast. Right.

That would work for me so good. And you told me that one of the classes, and you were like, it's more important that you're hydrated, which I always struggle with staying hydrated. But when I really think about it, I could drink my meals. I could drink a cold smoothie or whatever, and I could probably live on that. I'd be pretty happy.

My food type is girl dinner. It literally is appetite alternating. And so appetite, like we don't want to get too full. We don't want to be too empty. We just like snack all day long.

And it's, you know, a little bit of cheese, little crackers, little nuts, little fruit, little something. So if you come into the conjuring tree and you're observing me, I probably have a snack somewhere hidden or in my pockets or in my hands. I'm just, I'm a toddler and I snack all day long. Something, yeah. And if I like try to- Actually, digestion, excuse me, you brought it up because that's really interesting to think about.

It's not just digesting food or like how you eat your food. But I remember seeing this cool study that they did with rabbits where, depending on what the rabbits were surrounded with, they digested their food better or they digested the nutrients of the food better. So like if they were eating like kind of borderline toxic food, and I don't know why the scientists were feeding this to bunnies. It's a whole ethical issue. But anyway, they were giving both groups of bunnies kind of not great food, not very nutritious.

And, but one group, they had noticed that that didn't affect them at all health-wise. That one group was doing just as well as if they had been eating healthy food. And the other group was deteriorating in health, like they were doing worse and worse. They were like, what's the difference? What's been going on differently for these two groups?

And they found out kind of on accident that when the other group was fed, they were fed by a trainer or a, I don't know, person who was petting them and talking lovingly to them while they were eating. And that was the only difference. It's just like your environment and like how you digest things and how you, which by the way, there's also environment on the, on the chart as well. Yes, is your scene. Which like you and I both have similar, but we have one small difference in it.

We were both caves. We both need a cave. So an enclosed space where we can retreat to away from the energy of the collective. Oftentimes it ends up being a basement. My mother-in-law kicked me out of my basement.

She now lives down there and I live on the top floor. That's where my office is now. And, but it is a back corner bedroom, like off to the side of everything. And we do better if we have our back to a wall where we can see the entrance and exits easily. As children, I've noticed that a lot of caves, kids will climb under things or burrow or want to be in like tents or like forts or a big thing.

Yeah. Closed, enclosed spaces. We also like to be squished. I don't know if this was you as well. Like I, my sisters would do it.

Like they thought they were punishing me or torturing me or whatever, but I'd be like laying on my bed and they would come and lay on top of me. And I'd be like, yes. And they're like thinking they're squishing the crap out of me. And I'm just like, this feels great. Thank you.

Great. Yeah. Which before you even told me that, or even I think before I even looked at Human Design or what it was, I had already built this cave. This is something that was in my house when we bought the house. And I probably bought the house because I loved this space.

There's little caves. There's also like a little tree fort in the living room for the kids with a ladder. And it was spaces that I just loved. I fell in love with them. I was like, that would be so fun.

But I thought this was gonna be for the kids. I thought the kids would love it. And then I took over this room and turned it into an altar and then turned it into a meditation space. And then I started recording the podcast here. And I was like, I'm recording from the cave.

It's my favorite thing. So when caves was brought up, I was like, yep, there it is. And this is the thing that I love about Human Design. It's not telling you anything you don't already know. It's just validating what you've always felt.

So yeah, as a projector, I was always trying to be a generator. I was trying to keep up with everybody. And I put an extra 200 pounds of weight on my body in that effort. And part of that was also, I wasn't eating according to my Human Design food type. I was trying to sit down and eat these massive portions of food because that's what all of the generators around me were doing.

Because that's what their bodies needed to properly feel them where I didn't, I don't need that much. And anytime that I do, I've had gut issues the last few days because I was trying to, I got into my old patterns and I had to remind myself, no, no, no, we can't eat like that anymore. We need to, anyway. Yeah. So yours, where we have differences.

Yeah, it's just a fantastic way to get clarity about yourself if you were feeling lost. I mean, like the reading that we did, and I didn't come to you for like future telling or anything like that. But I think it was perfect for what I needed because I was just feeling like, as a manifestor or as all of these different parts of my Human Design chart, what would you recommend that I do? Like, what do I put my focus on and what do I, and I think it was the emotional authority actually that was the most, it can be people-pleasing. Yeah.

I went to everybody that I work with. I went to everybody I work with after our reading and I said, first of all, I'm so sorry if I've ever seemed really flaky or if I've ever been like so excited about a thing that we talked about and then later was like, well, wait a minute, I'm not sure. I said, cause now I know why. I'm gonna tell you why I do that. And I'm going to say from moving forward, let's come up with ideas together and then I'll step back and just take a couple of days to think it over.

Don't let me say yes in the moment. I won't, don't let me do that anymore. Exactly. It was so helpful. Yeah.

I had a gal, another colleague of mine reach out a couple of weeks ago and she had gathered myself and a few other individuals that I've worked with over the years. And she had this really brilliant, amazing idea. And in the moment, I can feel every single person like, yes, let's fucking do this, let's go. Like, sorry if I swear I'm not, anyway. But like, let's go, let's do this.

And so, because I know if you've met me for longer than five minutes, I have your chart. I know what your chart looks like. I know your authority, I know your aura type. Like, I know that information about you. And so I know every single person on this panel.

I'm like, I know half of these people have emotional authority. And so I said, all right, pump the brakes for a second. We all in this moment, everyone wants to like, be like, yes, let's do this, let's go. And they're like, yeah. And I'm like, have I taught you nothing?

I'm like, come on. Now let's go think it over. Yeah, so I championed for everybody to pause, take a beat, take a week. We're meeting next week. Yes, I'm sorry, I had to be like, am I supposed to be on that call right now?

No, we're good. Because that is also my life. Anyway, so I had everybody pause and be like, we're gonna take a beat, we're gonna fill this out. And two people have already dropped out. Because they're like, you know what?

I don't have the spoons, I don't have the energy. I don't have the time and space in my life to commit to this thing. And will the thing still work without them? Yes, but I would rather know it now before everything gets started, rather than six months from now when they're like, I'm burned out, I'm exhausted. I'm so not ready.

Yeah, I'm not doing this. I, and it's not that it's not a great, like the enthusiasm I feel is real for the idea. Because we're feeling very enthusiastic. I don't like it or don't wanna do it, but I need to know if I can do it, if it's for me. And that's the thing is in the moment, we are picking up their energy and how they feel about the thing.

And we want to answer. And that's where we need to get out of their energy. And it takes about two hours for someone else's energy to completely dissipate from our energy. Which is why you can go to a motivational speaker and be like, yes, I'm gonna do these things. I'm gonna change all this stuff.

And then you leave and you're like, nope, not gonna happen. I'm not doing any of that. We start out real great, yep. Which is why, especially if you have emotional authority, take a beat, take some time, sleep on it minimum for the big stuff. If it's what's for lunch, just eat what everybody else wants.

Yeah, and now it's almost like a language we speak in meetings that I'm in, which I surround myself with people that are a little bit more woo woo anyway. So they would understand and speak the language a little bit. But when I'm working with a lovely woman that's helping me with my website and she's been helping me kind of get some of the technology stuff in my work done. And she'll come up with all these ideas on what she thinks that it should have or, oh, I'm gonna include this and I'm gonna do that. And now she goes, so I have these ideas, here are my ideas.

Now I want you to take a week and see what you think. And then next week we'll see if you wanna do it, right? And I'm like, thank you. Don't get me all excited and then be like, yeah, yeah, yeah. And then three days later, I'm like, hold on.

Don't put any more work into that. I'm not sure about it. I'm now feeling a little not sure. And another part of Human Design that's absolutely amazing is parenting with Human Design. You have a cheat sheet for your kid.

Yeah. Just, yeah, because I'm dealing with my daughter with that because she wants to commit to all of these groups and events and she's on a field trip right now in middle school, she's part of Hope Team. And I was like, this is a big deal in your school. I need you, and she's like, no, I got this, I got this. I'm like.

Yeah, or she'll be like me eventually at some point, she'll be crying on the bathroom floor and going, it's too much, it's too much, I can't do it. But yeah, it's good to know. She has the added benefit of the generator sacral. As her secondary authority, so she can get out of the energy of the requester, tune into that sacral. And if that's still a hell yes, she's good to go.

And that's how it's been with this. But yeah, any big thing that she's committing her energy to, we have taught her you need to really pause and think about it. Like she's been in a musical production that's gonna be wrapping up at the end of this week. And it came out of left field of her wanting to do that. I was like, oh, my jeans did get in there somewhere because she looks just like my husband.

And I was a musical theater kid. And so that she wanted to do that, I was like, but I made her pause and think about it because it's a huge commitment. And there have been many times that she in the moment is like, yes, I wanna do this thing. And I'm like, and then we say, okay, to your life, your choices, your consequences. And then she does the whole crying on the bathroom floor.

I don't wanna do the thing, I don't wanna go there. And you committed your energy, so now you have to finish it. So teaching her to be more selective with what she's committing her energy to is our goal from lived experience. How amazing would it have been for me to have that insight into myself from an earlier age, but you've talked about how as we come into an older age, as we come into like her 30s, so we start to become like the change in the nature it starts to naturally become more and more aligned. Yes, we naturally come into ourselves.

So we take on a lot of conditioning from birth to seven, from our family, seven to 14 by our peers, 14 to 21 by the society that we exist in. And then a little bit more. So we start questioning things 21 to 28 and around our Saturn return at 28, we really, really start questioning the big questions and that's, a lot of things start to fall apart. But I have to say, cause this episode's gonna be long. This episode's gonna be long y'all, we should have warned at the beginning.

My favorite experiences with Human Design have been for moms with nonverbal children, whether they're autistic or something else is going on. And they're struggling with different things, like getting their kids into different environments. They need to start a new school. They need to, they're not eating. They're, all of these things, I've had multiple conversations with parents who were like, help me with my kid.

And I pull up the chart and I'm like, hey, this is what's going on. This is how, and like, it's really funny because if you have a kid that does not have a defined emotional solar plexus, but the parent does, the parent needs to learn how to emotionally regulate before they are dealing with the child because the child is taking on those emotions and amplifying them. The child isn't the problem, you are. And so knowing that was like, oh my God, like so many, and it's usually moms that are coming to me about their charts and stuff. Yeah.

That's just statistically where it's at. I would love to chat with some dads about their kiddos, but there was one kid that was not growing and he was on the autism spectrum. He was nonverbal. He was seven, seven or eight, somewhere in that range, and would not eat. And so I pulled up his chart and sure enough, his food type is touch nervous.

So the touch means he needs to come into contact with his food. He needs finger foods. He needs to be eating with his hands or helping to prepare the food because that will do the same thing. And then the nervous is he needs to move. He needs to eat on the go.

And so I asked her, I'm like, are you trying to have him sit in a chair and eat with like utensils? She's like, yeah. I'm like, stop it. He's not gonna eat. That's not his.

And so she started feeding him finger foods or letting him eat with his hands and started teaching, like having him part of the kitchen. And he shot up in weight and height and like was growing again, like that's why I love him. That's one of the reasons why I love him. That's fantastic. There's so many reasons, but like that's one of the big reasons.

How helpful for parents. And also, I mean, as a mom, obviously a lot of parents and I'm gonna generalize moms here cause they're the ones coming in for those readings most often digging in, trying to figure out their kid, trying to figure out what's best for them. And there can be a little bit of mom guilt. If you find out like it's you, you're the emotional authority, you need to regulate yourself first, like all that. There could be some mom guilt, right?

There could be some like, it's me, I've been doing this. It's, you know, whatever. But to release that and say, okay, this isn't my, I didn't consciously, you know, know this. I know this now, but it also gives a sense of comfort to know that there is some control somewhere in it. Like, oh, I can influence this.

It's not totally out of my control in that it's just my kid. They're gonna do whatever they're gonna do as inconvenient as it is for me. But to have some like, oh, I can do something about it. That feels, for people like me who like to know some certainty that feels really good. So my daughter, she has a defined spleen, splenic center, right?

And so again, that's about fears, body awareness, instincts, all that stuff, right? So, and one of the things that Ra'aru talks about is if someone has a defined spleen, they have consistent energy in that spleen, and they are around someone who does not have a, it's undefined, the undefined individual is going to feel very safe and secure in the presence of the defined, right? So my daughter has a defined spleen, I don't. And so, and it's very, very common that we create an unhealthy co-dependence on this shared feeling of safety, because she was worried, like, and it's not rational, it's not logical, it's instinctual, but she as an infant felt I was unsafe if I was not with her. So if I left her, she would be upset because she wasn't worried that something would happen to her, she was worried something would happen to me that I would not come back, right?

I also felt this fear, and I thought, oh, she just has separation anxiety, da da da da da. As soon as I understood what it was, we started playing peek-a-boo more often. We started playing, and it was almost like how you train a dog to deal with separation anxiety. You prepare like you're gonna leave, and then you put everything back down, and you sit down, and then you get up and eat. It was doing a lot of those tactics to prepare her and to get her, and now she's just fine.

She's just fine. And I'm mostly just fine. I mean, of all the work that I do, I think that working with children or helping people to work with children is one of my favorite parts, because if there can be any insight, and children not being able to verbalize, I mean, neurodivergent or not, or neurotypical, any of it, just not being able to verbalize my needs. You know, they say, they don't come with instructions, and so you're like, okay, well, then we're just like totally out there on our own, pretending to be detectives, figuring things out. I think it is really helpful to have Human Design chart, and what I do with kids specifically in energy healing sessions is through color, like being able to ask a child, what color are you feeling?

What color does that look like to you? And then tap into what subconscious connections that could be. And so teaching parents about those things and helping them understand their child and helping them express emotions in a way that's appropriate, developmentally appropriate for their age. All of that are just like fantastic tools along the way to learn your kid and to parent those tiny humans that we all don't understand. Yeah, no, I mean, like when people start diving into Human Design, they're like, oh my gosh, I get why you don't shut up about this.

Right, right? Yeah, yeah, it's fantastic. Okay, so let's get to people who wanna learn. Obviously classes, I highly recommend classes. The classes that I've been with you, that's super helpful for me personally to learn because I like to sit there, take notes, like ask questions, like that's my favorite way.

But you've recommended some really good books and I have a few of them, I should have grabbed them so I could show them on the camera, but I forgot to grab them. For people, what you recommend that they go and get to learn? So this is Ra Uruhu's, this is Ra Uruhu's book. It was nibbled on by one of my furry children when I first got it. And it's amazing, like it is so, it's everything from the mouth of Ra, he passed away in 2011 and so Linda Menenel continued on and published this without him.

But yeah, it's all his stuff and his stuff is still on YouTube. Like if you go and search human sign Ra Uruhu, his stuff's gonna pop up just as much as any of the other people. But the one that I am really absolutely loving for people who are getting started because this one is mouthy. It is- Like very academic. Yes, it is very college level kind of stuff.

So this gal, Rachel Lieberman, so it's a modern guy to Human Design, simplified a lot of things, a lot of the concepts. It's very colorful, it's very interactive. Maybe not interactive is not the right word. It's very user friendly and it's very digestible for anybody. And she has it broken down into just a way that flows very, very easily.

If you learn, so I also teach my classes that the next one will be on September 18th at 6 p.m. at the Conjuring Tree. You can, I think they're gonna have, if you go to theconjuringtree.com to the events, they should have all the links up on the website shortly. Facebook and other social media sites will be coming soon for all of that. But yeah, if you don't see it just yet, it's coming, it's happening.

I'm not sure when this podcast will launch. And I highly recommend people who are local, who are in the Salt Lake area, because then we have listeners kind of all over the world. But if you're local, come in and visit us. Come and see us on Tuesdays when I'm there. And I am at the Tree on Thursdays in particular.

That's my days to do readings. So I run the store three days a week and then do readings one day a week. And then I can do readings Wednesday, Friday or Saturday. I do distance readings. That's part of what this microphone is here for.

Yeah, and this is a perfect modality too for people to do virtually just because you can sit and you can look at it together. And it's probably very, very convenient, very friendly. Yes, yes. So where can people find you to book a session with you, what is your website? So my website is lightuponthegraves.com.

My last name is Graves. I'm a medium. I had to make a play and I'm always, like before I found Human Design, I was very much, and I'm still an advocate of showing that there is a lighter side to death, hence Light Upon the Graves. On TikTok, I am kittensfromthegraves, because it's mostly kitten foster content. Yeah.

Kitten videos. So Facebook, Light Upon the Graves, which will, if you click to make an appointment, it'll just direct you over to my website. And depending on the day that you're booking, it may send you over to the Conjuring Trees website. So there's all of those available. I don't have a public Instagram.

My Instagram is private, just because Facebook's enough. Yeah, yeah. I get it. I was one of those that started Facebook and went, I'm never going anywhere else. I don't wanna do anything else.

Don't make me. And now I'm on TikTok and Instagram and all the things. And I'm like, I just followed everybody around to wherever they were at. It's a big pain, but also great. It's great.

It's fine, whatever. I like all of it. So you can find Esther and book a session for Human Design reading or mediumship. That's actually where I met you first. Many years ago, I took, I think it was mediumship class first that I came to the Conjuring Tree and took that.

Just to develop. I don't consider myself a medium, but I'm like, I wanna develop some of those intuition skills. You have Gate 28, so. Gate 28 is the gate of death. It can show up as a fair time or running out of time, but most people who have Gate 28 have mediumship abilities, whether they do anything with them or not.

It's up to them. Yeah, well, and sometimes things do show up. But we were talking about, I've been doing a little bit more house cleansing sessions lately. I mean, I'm not one who usually tries to tap in or tries to even like, okay, spirits and things like that. I'm just here to cleanse energy.

I'm here to do my part, what I can do. But I had a particular house cleansing the other day where I was walking through a house and I was like, oh, there's a guy sitting in the chair. That's unusual. I'm not used to that. And that's my everyday.

Yeah, yeah. That's, I imagine that that's what it's like. But for me, it has to be just right. The condition's just right. But it was like, oh, okay.

That's something to deal with. That's what we're dealing with today. So I also have another class called Light Circle. It is a mediumship development with automatic writing that is gonna be on September 25th, also at 6 p.m. Both of these are on a Friday, sorry.

It's just what's available on the calendar. It's a lot of fun. Light Circle is because I have everybody write down the information that they get for whatever practice that we're doing. And then we all share. And people will be like, oh my gosh, I got that too.

Or like, oh, that's like this version, but you said it this way. It's collaborative a little bit. It's validating. It's really, really wonderful and beautiful. And it's really fun.

I think my favorite though was when we did cold cases. Are you a true crime? A little bit, yeah. Did I tell you about this one? Not as much as other people, but I get into the documentaries a little bit.

That's what I... Do you know the staircase? Dive Dive, 13 hours. It's a 13 hour documentary. Okay.

So husband and wife, things seem great. Two o'clock in the morning, they're outside smoking. She goes in a little bit earlier. He's smoking a cigar. It takes a little long for it to burn down.

He goes in the house. He finds her in a pool of blood at the bottom of the stairs, hence the staircase. It's this whole long saga. He is tried for her murder. Oh, this is sounding familiar.

Right, he goes to jail. He gets out of jail on a technicality. Like he shouldn't have been in jail anyway. I don't believe he killed her. Ah, there is something called the owl theory floating around out there that she was a type A individual.

She was known as Martha Stewart in her neighborhood. And it was around Christmas time. And so there's a theory that she went out to put out Christmas decorations at two o'clock in the morning because she didn't wanna leave it for her husband to do the next morning because she had a meeting and she didn't want him to do it wrong. Right, type A. There was a neighborhood owl, potentially attacked her.

She ran inside. She was on medication that could have made her dizzy. She's bleeding. She's wearing flip-flops, going up a very narrow staircase. She could have slipped, fallen, right, and bled out because that's how she died was exsanguination.

Okay. So not our last light circle, but the one before that was when we did the true crimes and I presented this case. And how I presented the case was her photo and her name inside an envelope. The envelope was closed. You cannot see inside the envelope.

I passed the envelope around to everybody at the table. You write down the information that you get. This cute kid pulls me over and he's like, I don't know about this, trust that shit. If you're like, I don't know, I don't know, this is weird. That's me.

That's the shit you trust. That's usually how I go about it. So I'm like, whatever it is, write it down. He's like, bird hat? You want me to write down bird hat?

And I said, yes. Yes. Write that down. And I will explain in a minute why. And so when I'm revealing and I'm telling them about the case, because not everybody knew about the case.

And I said, there's the owl theory. He goes, bird hat, bird hat. I'm like, yes. I need more practice like this. This is the kind of stuff I need to be doing.

So light circle, come to light circle. Yeah. Any more of this. So it's myself and Venus Marie who teach light circle. And it's just, it's a lot of fun.

All right. So come. If you're gonna do something with me, we're gonna have a good time. So come to the Conjuring Tree, come hang out. Yeah.

Take a class. And I'm there on Tuesday. So again, just like Esther said, you can go to my website to book a session. And if you are booking on Tuesdays, it will go directly to the Conjuring Tree and book there as well. That's how I have it set up.

So prism-healing.com. And obviously this is the podcast Practically Magick. We'd like you to subscribe, like you to share it. If you know somebody who's into Human Design and would like to learn a little bit more, share this episode, go find Esther, go get a reading done. And as for announcements, next week we're gonna go see the Practical Magic 2 movie as the podcast sponsored some tickets.

And so hopefully you already won yours and you're there with us. That's all I have to say about that. As far as prism-healing goes, I do have art classes that are available. I'm doing some very special art classes coming up for the fall session that are gonna be once a month, inner child healing through art. And that's gonna be, it's gonna be kind of like a cohort.

So you get to sign up for the class, come once a month and do the healing through art with us in person. And then every week we have a open Zoom call where everybody in the class can join in and discuss what the moon cycle is doing that week and what journal prompts we have in our healing cycle towards the next class next month. So it kind of takes you through nice gentle healing experience together as a little cohort group. We'll be starting that at the end of September going through December. So that's the only announcements I have.

Anything else you want to add, Esther, before we sign up? The last thing that I'm doing in September is going to be on September 27th. And that is a gallery reading that I do. It's a group kind of thing with Jennifer Martin. And we're doing a little bit of a discount.

I don't remember the details of the discount, but I know that if you buy more than one ticket, so if you bring a friend or friends, there's a little bit, there's a discount going on. But you can see links for that on Light Up on the Graves, on readings by Jennifer. And it's going to be on the Conjuring Tree website as well. So yeah, and it will be at the Conjuring Tree. Yeah, and we'll make sure we try to have all the links, get all the links in the show notes for people if they want to look for that or they are having trouble finding it, you can have it there.

So thank you so much, Esther, for coming on today. Thanks for having me. This was fun. I can't wait to see you in like two hours. Yeah, and you can work together.

Okay, well good luck and go make magic witches and wizards.