That's what Whisper Wednesday is today. We got one of my favorite shows from the 80s that we're gonna talk about. Before we do though, we actually caught up with one of, it's hard to say like, who was the top bill of Cheers. They all were, but he's one of the main actors, Cliff Clavin, my favorite. We caught up with him at Phanix, right?

What were we doing at Phanix? We were there with Promise to Live, getting some really great clips of some amazing celebrities talking about their messages of hope and some of their darkest and most hopeless moments that they shared with us. It was a really amazing time to get that. And we got to catch up with John Ratzenberger. And I really, before we went on with him, we kind of set him up and I'm like, hey, I'm a huge Cheers fan.

You're Cliff Clavin to me. And he gave us kind of a Cliff Clavin type answer. Did he not? Let's take a look at this when Cocoa. Now listen, Cliff Clavin, I feel like I know you.

You're like my buddy. You were hanging out in my living room all my life. What are we having for lunch? Right there, Cliff Clavin. What are we having for lunch?

And I'm like, I think roast beef feels like a Cliff Clavin kind of lunch. Do you think maybe you'd come over for some roast beef sandwiches? Very rarely am I like speechless and don't know how to react to what somebody says. But I mean, I asked for it though. You know, off camera, I was like, hey, let's do some Cliff Clavin type stuff.

And it was instant. But I think Cliff Clavin is a part of John Ratzenberger. I mean, he has to be at this point. He's settled at the end of the board. Yeah, I get the impression he's very proud of that role because I think, well, we'll find out a little bit later as we talk about it, but he created Cliff.

He created Cliff. He did. And the show that we're gonna talk about today, we didn't even mention, but you already figured it out. And if not, what are you doing? But Cheers, and we're gonna do season one.

Just season one for now. Let's just, yeah, we had to tidy it up. But oh my gosh, is there anything more nostalgic from our childhood than Cheers? Just the set alone, the colors, the exposed brick walls and the wood mahogany, everything, the brass features. And it just takes you right back to when it started in 1982.

It does. And I always said that when I get rich, I'm building in my basement, my whole basement is gonna be a replica of the Cheers bar. I don't even drink anymore, which is funny because Sam Malone, Ted Danson, didn't either. He's a recovering alcoholic. That could be me.

I could be the recovering alcoholic, went at a Cheers bar out of my basement. If he can do it, we can do it. And you know, I'm all right with just some nice fruity seltzer drinks, and that's fine. Because it's not about the alcohol. I don't think it ever was.

I think Cheers creates an entire experience for the people that are coming down those stairs, coming into that bar, and for all the viewers at home that watched it every single week. But it wasn't an instant hit, right? No, it wasn't, but the bar isn't really the point here. It's belonging, all the way from the intro song. Everybody knows your name.

I don't think it mattered that it was in that bar. It could have been any bar. And that's how it related to everybody, was this is no different than me hitting the bar with my buddy and sitting there for hours and talking about nothing really, like whatever's going on. That's what it was. And you're right.

Season one was the worst rated TV show, not just episode. It was the worst rated TV show. I think it was like number 280 something out of 280 something, like awful. Nobody watched it. They kept rolling with it.

But we're not gonna talk about season two. We're gonna talk about this awful season because when you watch it, it's not awful. It's not. In fact, some of the scenes from season one are some of the most brought back and clipped out and repurposed clips from the show. All came from season one.

Yeah, some of them from the first episode, like Sam walking into the bar. The opening scene of Cheers is the final scene of Cheers in season 11 or 12, however many they went. It's the same thing. It's Sam walking into the bar and walking out. Like that's it.

And you figured it out. But it's a show that just like, if they would have ended on season one, people would have been mad. Sure, it's awful ratings, but the show itself was Cheers from the core. It was already there. It was set.

Nothing really changed along the lines of... Yeah, they just kept with the same great writing, the characters, cultivating the characters more and more of an ensemble cast, which is why everybody in that cast was needed and valued for what they offered because you had all kinds of dynamics and relationships that you could play with for many more seasons to come. But yeah, they didn't change anything. They just kept going, which gives you a lot of hope for people out there when they think maybe they've failed or what they have to offer the world isn't being received the way they thought it would or the way they want it to. Sometimes that's the way it goes the first time around.

Look at Arrested Development, I mean, other series that came after this, which did not get the credit it deserved until after people started discovering what an amazing show it was. Which is wild. Like, Cheers. And a lot of these shows out there, they do have this almost like freshman feel, and you watch the later seasons, you're like, oh, I could tell that's season one. Not really with Cheers.

Like, you can put a random episode on from the season. And there are, sure, you can pick it out if you're a big fan because Frasier's not there, Coach is there, Woody Harrelson's not in the mix yet. So there's a lot of things you can see, but the essence of the show never changes. It's there from the first. And I think they even bring up, like you said, I believe it's episode one, when Diane and her husband-to-be and all that break up and he leaves and he comes, they bring that back up in another couple seasons.

He's back with Diane. My God, what a piece he was, huh? Yeah, as I was going through my re-watch too, I noticed it's actually episode two. That is the famous line that Diane says where she says to Sam, "'On behalf of intelligent women everywhere, may I just say,' and I have seen that particular line repurposed and re-put out there anytime Cheers is mentioned in award shows or anything else, that seems to be the clip I see the most. That was episode two of season one.

The chemistry between Diane and Ted Danson's character, Sam Malone, from the beginning, and people have talked about this forever, you can't teach any of that. That's built between them two on set and it is something to watch because it's emotional at times, make you laugh, make you cry, make you do all that, make you remember the lines they say. They had almost irreplaceable chemistry and sure they tried to replace it later with Kirstie Alley, but it was a different chemistry, was never gonna be replaced to Diane. Yeah, never played exactly the same, but to everyone's credit, being different, still so watchable. It's not that Kirstie Alley came in and was replacing Diane or was supposed to be that exact same dynamic, it was like it came in and offered this completely new, its own thing.

I think it did a great job of that. I know there are probably people that disagree, there are people that are like, there are many critics saying, Cheers is one of those shows that never jumped the shark and there are other people that would disagree with that, with Diane leaving the show. I personally think they did not. I personally think that everybody who contributed to this show, whether in the early seasons or late, it was absolutely great the way it was. It wouldn't change a thing.

I mean, season one, you're sitting there and you're watching a community form. That's what we're doing the entire season. We're learning everybody's name, we're learning everybody's routines. You're in the same, and you know how I feel about the TV shows and movies that are in one stuck location. I love it, I'll always love that because if you can entertain me from one spot and not have to leave and do anything else, you've done something.

You've accomplished something, I believe, that you didn't have to distract with a set. Now yeah, the Cheers bar, iconic, but then again, every neighborhood has got a bar. Right, I think it's a character of its very own setting. Big time, but every neighborhood's got a bar that you can relate to and you go and you see the same faces and you do all that. Like I said, it's watching a community form in real time that only grows stronger.

We even get to know the patrons around the bar, the extras that were in the shots end up getting lines later on. Paul, Paul was one of them. There's all kinds of people in this show that without them, it doesn't happen. That's the big picture. It doesn't happen without any one of these pieces.

In season one, if they are removed, it might've been canceled after season one. And that's a bold statement, I know, but very possible, it's very possible. Yeah, a lot of factors went into whether this show was gonna continue or not, if it had executives who were supporting it at the studio or the network. A lot of little things had to contribute to all of that continuing it on. I mean, I think it would have been canceled today and a lot of standards, it would have been like, well, it's not making us the money we want, it's out.

There's so much rotation in shows now. I was streaming that it's a completely different world now, but because of the right chemistry of who was involved, it got to continue when we got to see it become what it was. And to your credit, what you said earlier, the Sam and Diane dynamic, they kind of coined that will they or won't they influence on Friends, Ross and Rachel or Jim and Pam on The Office. I mean, all of that came after because of that such great dynamic, I think that they created. Absolutely, but the soul to me, the soul of Cheers, not Sam, not Diane, is Coach.

Ernie Pantuso played by Nicholas Colasanto and his jokes and just genuine, like all of it, naivete and the way that he just plays into it, so beautiful and such a huge loss when he passed. Like he didn't make it to the end of the show. Real heart, yeah. He didn't make it to the end of the show. I'm glad you brought it up because I was going to ask you, what do you feel like in season one, if you were to pick a moment that maybe is really heartfelt or got to you emotionally, my pick would be the episode five in season one where Coach's daughter comes.

And I believe when she comes with a fiance, I think that she's introducing to Coach and she's like, and I think he kind of treats us for like crap. It's, you know, Coach is like, what's going on? Why are you with this guy? And she's kind of homely looking, at least to most beauty standards or whatever. I don't really subscribe to all that.

I think she's gorgeous, but she's like, I'm not, you know, I'm not beautiful. I'm not, there's a scene where they're in Sam's office and she's about, you know, he's looking at her like she's the most beautiful thing in the world. And she says something like, and he goes, you look like your mother. And she says, but mom wasn't, and then she stops and looks at his face as he's looking at her. And she said, mom wasn't comfortable with her beauty.

Yeah. And I cry every single time I see that scene, every single time I am in tears. It is so heartfelt. I remember that episode too. I believe that one had a joke at the beginning that probably wouldn't fly today.

And it was a, it was a pedo joke. Yeah, no, but he said it was a pedophile joke. I know what you're talking about with the girl who walks in and he's talking about Nina, his neighbor, who he's got kind of a crush on. And he's like, I don't know, she's a little younger than me. And then, but she's going to meet me here soon.

And then this like girl scout type walks in to the printer and Diane grabs coaching goes, you're going to jail. Is that the same episode or was that another episode in the season? That was a little bit earlier actually. Yeah, that was one of those like cold open kind of things that they do in the cheers are good at doing. But it was, it was, it was just around that same episode.

It was very close, but I know what you're talking about. And I thought the same thing. I was like, Ooh, that was dirty. There's a lot in cheers. There's a lot of stuff in cheers that probably wouldn't fly today.

It barely flew then. I mean, Sam and Diane hit each other, but they basically slapped each other. Yeah, which is to us, we're like, it's slapstick. It's funny and all that. But if you see a man slap a woman in real life, you're probably not going to.

Yeah, no, that's not the good guy in the story, right? You don't, you definitely don't put him up. So is the hero, but at least in that scene, Diane is like not having it, right? She's standing up against pedophilia in that, in that instance. And he's like, no, no, no, no, that's not Nina.

That's not her. So I think they can get away with it. I don't think it was as bad as all that, but yeah. Maybe it's harder today. I don't know than it did then.

I'm not sure. Could be what's going on. We have a lot going on. Yeah, so maybe that's what it was. Maybe it touched us a little bit differently these days than it did 20, 30 years ago.

But you asked me like, what scene for me is the most emotional or whatever. And honestly, it's the first proper norm. It's when they give norm and he walks in and it gives a spill. Oh yeah, that's that. To me, that's the moment that the show invented the ritual, you know, it tells the audience to stick around.

You're welcome to, it's not just to norm. It's like, I feel welcome. I feel it feels friendly in here. And it's a joke that kind of becomes a handshake, you know? It's the tradition, it's the feeling, all of that coming together.

And it was something that wasn't even supposed to be in the script. Norm did that himself. And they had to start writing. Every week they had to come up with something clever for him to come in there and say, because it hit so hard. I think that's me.

And it's, you know, it's because we lost norm last year. That's probably why it hits me harder now. And I love Norman Cliff. You know, Norman Cliff on the end of the bar. You know, it was one of those things.

It's like, it never got old, but you knew exactly every episode what they were gonna do. You know, like just, that's hard to do. You can't make people entertained by giving them the same thing every week. Cheers broke that thought. Yeah.

You know, there's a formula to it. It really was. I think you're right. And it did absolutely include the audience in feeling like this isn't just a show you're watching about a bar and a bunch of people who have that belonging and that community and that friendship and those longstanding traditions and rituals that they do, but includes you in it. Even more so, I think then, I mean, other shows did good to kind of create their own sense of it.

I think Friends was trying with their coffee shop vibes and the orange couch is come sit, hang out, cup of coffee, we're all sitting and chilling. But I think that they expanded upon that much more into more storylines and more locations and places where you could be hanging out. I think that Cheers just did it best. I do. I just think that.

Yeah, it's always gonna stick with me. And the show being a community and so character driven, it wasn't always funny. And that's what was awesome too, is like, Sam, he's a fanatic. And he is acknowledging addiction without the dramatics. You know, it's not to celebrate, but his recovery is like a daily practice.

He's treating it like he was when he was a baseball player. Day to day, I'm gonna get through it. And it's not like this big, oh, I'm recovering alcoholic and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, no, he's still struggling, you know? And that hits me hard. That's relatable to me.

Like, I'm sure I'm not the only one, can't be. So this is a 40 year old show now, wow. First of all, wow. 40 plus, but for it to still resonate now with those hard hitting moments and the funny moments, I don't think anything is like too far, what am I trying to say, like out of time, except for maybe that pedophile joke, but nothing's too far that's removed. Yeah, but they did address hard hitting things, even in season one that was still the introduction to the teammate that is coming out as gay.

I mean, he's a Red Sox teammate of Sam's and so he's a public figure, but he, without shame, comes out and says, I'm gay. And I mean, for a show that's 40 years old, that's awesome that they even like, we're gonna say it, we're gonna address it, we're going to hit it head on and let it be a topic of conversation. And to your point about alcohol, it was actually praised by the Drinking and Driving, oh, what am I trying to say? The mother is against drinking one of those days or something? Yes, the organizations against drunk driving is that they were like, right on season one, Coach establishes that that is a no drinking and driving policy and that they actually show characters who are designating a driver and who are making sure that they're getting home safe and not driving home after their many drinks and cheers.

Many, many drinks. Which is awesome. I also like the scenes where Diane should have left, but she doesn't. And you know the ones, it's like, she just keeps poking and prodding and getting in there deeper to the point to where the viewer at home, you're like, oh my gosh, she's still going at this. I love that because it's what made her her.

Yeah. Seriously, the character development with everybody in this is incredible. And I think a lot of it was them themselves, the actors themselves, really being in this, really being in this bar, I think Norm and Cliff were drinking real beer at one point. And I think later on. Yeah, some of it was watered down, but behind the scenes, especially Norm, Norm was getting kind of a dulled down version of beer, but it was important that they feel like they were really drinking beers and that they were really part of this bar.

So they did do that. And then of course, we'll talk about this when we get to the ending of this show, but they did have a moment of everybody drinking quite a bit among the cast. Yeah. Yeah. And that's what.

I won't say more than that. Frazier, let's just say, we'll get to it. Frazier was a drinker. Yeah, we gotta get to the seasons with Frazier and that, because those are, I mean, it's just not cheers without everybody who even is involved in it in later seasons. But as the beginning of a series and to what you were saying, your point about the character development, this show is credited for complex female characters, which had not been the norm for television up until this point.

So it's great to see Diane and Carla and later Rebecca being real people, real flawed, real, you seeing all these different sides and angles to a woman female character, which is awesome. And then Cliff coming into it, as we teased earlier, I tried to tease earlier, John Ratzenberger brought Cliff to the show, because he actually did. He auditioned for the part of Norm and it didn't go quite what they wanted. They were like, not quite right. But instead of just him going, okay, thank you for your time and leaving, he came back and said, do you have a blowhard?

Do you have your know it all? And they were like, what do you mean? And he's like, every bar in Boston, trust me when I tell you this, has that guy. And if you don't have him already, I think I could be that guy. And they created Cliff.

So he brought that Cliff right to their silver platter. Here he is, you need this guy. And can you imagine it without him? Man, no, no way. Like I said, I can't imagine this show without any of them.

And I know we have to, because we like, like I said, we lost Coach, which they keep a memorial up the entire time. There's that Native American painting. And I believe that's some sort of dedication to Coach, but it's in the background. Every episode until the end of this run, yeah. I love, these are the moments that get me is when Sam, he's alone with his thoughts, the bar's closing down.

It's really parallel to the show because sure, the laughter fades, but the truth stays. And that's what happens. Even with us, like we're sitting there talking about the real stuff, you know, the addiction, the coming out as gay in an episode, that's what sticks, the truth. The laughter fades and the truth will stay with you. And that's what Sam is doing when he has to shut the lights off at the bar.

And I love those kinds of scenes. It's, you know, those quiet scenes. They say a lot. They say a lot. It's the vulnerable.

That's when we get to see them at their vulnerable sides. You know? For sure, yeah. Yeah, I was thinking about how much in just the first, I mean, I would say the first four or five episodes of season one, you're getting these great moments where you get to see exactly who these characters are. Like they're given an opportunity in the scenes as they're written to really show.

For example, Carla's feistiness when her and Diane have to have some one-on-one time to work out some of their differences. And she gets Diane incredibly drunk, but you know, some of those moments like that. But the one I was thinking of when you said that was, Norm invites his boss to kind of schmooze him and to like show off and to, you know, maybe get a leg up in his promotion. And so his boss, he kind of promises Diane to his boss, like, hey, there's this great girl I'll introduce you to. And Diane's like, don't debase yourself.

Don't debase me. Don't debase yourself like that. There's this great moment where the boss is really hitting on her and like getting inappropriate alone in the pool room. And when Norm walks in on it, he does not tolerate it. He was a real kiss up.

He was a real, you know, whatever you say, sir, kind of employee until that moment. And then he shows that boss, what's what. You don't do this to my friends. You don't treat my friends like that. And I just love moments like that where you're like, this is who this guy is.

Like he's showing up. Carla is one of those too, that's like you said, fierce. When she has to be, she's basically, she refuses to shrink. She refuses to act her size. She's one of those small dogs that's yippy, but she will also bite the shit out of you if it needs to happen.

You know, like she to me was the epitome of a survivalist. She's a mom, she's got eight kids or whatever. She's just trying to make it, you know? Yeah. Trying to survive?

She is, and she's loud because the world didn't listen to her when she whispered, you know? Like that's what it was. That's what it looks like to me. So she has to be this, yeah, yeah, see, you got a little Carla in you, I know. I know you do.

There's some, there's a little bit of my little self. You know, we're talking about nostalgia. We're talking about wistfulness. We're talking about movies from our childhood. There is a part of me who's thinking back on little Courtney, which even little Courtney was watching probably reruns, cause I was born in 85.

Sorry to date myself, but it is what it is. So I was watching reruns of this show, you know, Nick at Night and things like that when it would come out. Carla was influential to me. Like very much. I was like, I love the way she does not let anybody get the best of her.

She is not afraid. And here's what's really great about that. I just have to say, she's not traditionally beautiful. Okay. Do I think she's beautiful?

Absolutely, absolutely. But I look at people and I say, I know, I know they're beautiful, but I think as far as culture goes, they wouldn't be putting her on the front magazine of some fashion magazine or something, right? Because, but she doesn't, that doesn't hinder her from feeling like I'm not traditionally beautiful or influential in that way. So I need to make myself small and quiet and pleasant and pleasing in other ways. No, instead she's like, I don't look like you want me to look, I don't give a rats and I'm gonna be me.

And you are not going to tell me otherwise. And I just love that. Little Courtney loved it. Unapologetically, Carla. Yeah, yeah.

That's what she really was, right? Like she didn't give a crap. You know what I thought about too is why we probably love going back and watching this show? Is same reason for the bar. It's like we're returning to it.

We're going back to the bar. You know, you're not discovering, we're not discovering something brand new. I know at any time I can go to Cheers. If I need that Cheers kick, I can put it on, pair them out, turn it on, auto play and just let it rip. And I'm back in the bar.

You know? Yeah. Cheers and Frasier are two of my favorite comfort background shows. And my sister and I have talked about this also, the two of us both say it because for some reason, those two shows just feel like home. They feel like you're like, I don't actually have to watch it because I already know what happens.

But I just like having it around. That's a great question for you out there. What TV show or movie, or let's go even deeper, job, discord channel, comment section, what is your Cheers? Where do you go hang out? Where does everybody know your name?

Yeah. Put that in our comments. I want to see, because I want to go find some of these places, you know? No, do you have a Cheers? I've always wanted a Cheers.

I've always wanted a place where that was like daily hang out, go, and everybody I know is there and they go there every day too. And they see me and they go, hey, that's you, Coco, hey, what's up? You know, 100%. I like how it's like, it's not a, every time they're not greeting each other with hugs and you know, they just walk in and sit down. They know the drill.

They know what, and that's it. And get right into, they don't really do the pleasantries that most people do. Hey, how's the weather today? How are you? Yeah, we got to catch up.

We got to talk about what your day was like and things like that. Honestly, if I knew I was going into a place that everybody's going to hug me, I wouldn't go. No, me either. I'd be like, I'm not a hugger. I'm not a hugger.

You sit down. You stay where you are. I'll just walk in. We'll say hi. It'll be fine.

We've established that before. You're not a hugger. I'm not a hugger. I think me and you have hugged one time in our whole existence of knowing each other. And that was when I got you to talk to Robin Lively.

And you gave me a brief hug and hugged her. And you were so excited. And it happened right there. Yeah, I remember that now. That's the only time.

Because I was like, when was this? But I'll tell you why. And the only reason why is because someone else was there who is a hugger, who hugged me first. And then I was like, I guess we're doing this. It just kicks in.

It's so funny to me. It's like, oh my God, it just kicks in. It kicks in sometimes. I guess we're hugging now. I don't know.

This is what we're doing. I will hug. I'm okay with that. But I just don't initiate usually. I'm just like, yeah, okay.

Yeah, this is fine. Whatever. Yeah, that's so funny. If I came into a place and it was just like, hey, it's Coco. And I could go, hey.

And then we could chitty chat or whatever. That would be absolutely perfect for me. And then get into some shenanigans. Like they do in Cheers. That would be just heaven as a social setting.

That would be my heaven. That would be great. Well, when I get the money and I get the Cheers bar built in the basement and I'm running it with mocktails, by the way, that's what we should do. Mocktails. Yeah.

Because I think that's popular now. I love mocktails. And you can call me just Mayday Blane. Like Mayday Malone. I had to have a nickname Mayday.

Like that's gotta be in there. Mm-hmm. Yeah, I think this would be fun. I think I've already built the bar without the money. But we just need that investment.

And you know what else? I wanna know if we have listeners out there who are bartenders. Because I have had the thought, if I wanna make some extra money or something or I need a side job or I need something to do, maybe I'd be a bartender because then I could be that one that's behind the bar and I could talk to people and I could socialize that way and I could be the Carla or the coach or the Sam, just kind of shooting the shit with people. But I kind of really, because I've never bartended, I've never actually done it. So I wanna know, bartenders, is it really like that or is that just TV?

It's actually really, really stressful and chaotic and it's not fun like that at all. I wanna know. Yeah. And add to that, are these characters real people in your bar and who are we missing? Who is Cheers missing as far as bar patrons now?

I wanna know that, that'd be fun. Yeah, I wanna hear the bar story. I've never been much one to do bars. I like to go to our local bar, The Break, once in a while, they have Bingo Thursdays and we had a group of ladies that would get together and do that. And I honestly went for the bingo and the fun and the friends, but I'm not much of a drinker.

So I'm kind of like sipping my one seltzer drink or something. Seltzer water or something in there. Kind of got a little bit of that Cheers vibe. It does, yeah, I like that spot. I think it's cause it's older or maybe it's the wood, made of wood.

What's your final thoughts here on Cheers? We gotta get into the final thoughts because if not, we're gonna just go on and talk about season two and season three and keep going. But we'll keep going. And we will, we'll get to those as we go on. So we're gonna make the rounds for the lot of different nostalgic things.

So if you're like, come on, let's get to season two, don't worry, we will keep watching. We've got a lot ahead of us. The couple final thoughts I had, I loved knowing that it was inspired by Fawlty Towers. That's one of our British comedy sitcoms that also inspired the British version of The Office. Ricky Gervais says that Fawlty Towers was a good one.

So if you like Cheers and you're looking for something predated to Cheers, Fawlty Towers is a good one to look up. Love it. What I thought was funny was the laugh track. Cheers was getting, the show was getting complaints from watchers, audience members saying, you gotta tone down the laugh track, it's annoying or we don't like it or it's too loud or whatever. And they had to put in that little disclaimer at the beginning, I think starting season two, but they had to put it in saying, Cheers is filmed in front of a live studio audience because there was no laugh track.

That was a live studio audience laughing at the jokes. Thought that was hilarious. I've always hated laugh tracks. We don't have to be told one to laugh. Like that's what it's there for.

It's there to make you at home watching laugh and you're being managed, you're being told what's funny. You don't have, I would love to see Cheers without the laugh track. That'd be fun. It'd probably be depressing. The entire vibe is just brought down to like, now it's just kind of a bunch of losers in a bar.

Actually, you know what Cheers without the laugh track is? It's It's It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia in Philadelphia in Philadelphia in Philadelphia in Philadelphia. That's it, that's the show. Might be kind of accurate, yeah. Really?

Yeah. Yeah, I would like to think that the Cheers characters maybe have a little bit more morality and I don't know, good heartedness to them than the cast of It's It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia in Philadelphia in Philadelphia, but that may be the tipping point. Now, I could get into the It's It's It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia in Philadelphia in Philadelphia in Philadelphia stuff because I did an interview with Rob McElhaney a long time ago. He got into how their characters on It's It's It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia in Philadelphia in Philadelphia in Philadelphia are representatives of the id and the ego. And I'm like, whoa, wait a minute.

He got real deep. That was on Apple Music. We did an interview with him three years ago or so. So it gives me a whole nother perspective of how to watch It's It's It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia in Philadelphia in Philadelphia in Philadelphia because you find out this guy's not a dumb ass. He just plays one on TV.

Yeah, that's pretty cerebral. Yeah, that's what it is. So my final thoughts on, or did you have anything else you wanted to say on Cheers here? I think that was a tidy bow that it's wrapped up in. To me, Cheers season one, it's not chasing jokes.

It's building the trust. And maybe that's why it bombed until word of mouth and stuff spread, but they're not, life gets loud and Cheers is like the place you can go to tune it out if you need to, but be more in tune with everything that you need right there. And Norm said it in one of his quiet lines, he says, it's a little known fact that the beer industry is recession proof. That line is so much deeper than just the joke on the top. And it really shows so much more about what Cheers is.

It's coping. Everything there is coping. And he's coping with, it's recession proof because he won't let it go out of business. So there's a lot of similarities to the show itself and just that one line, it's a lot deeper than that. You know, life gets weird, rent stays due and the community keeps the lights on.

And that's what he's saying right here in that one line, a little known fact that the beer industry is recession proof. That bar's not going out of business and none of those people are leaving is what he's trying to get to. And I think that just summed up the whole show. And season two, fun. Season two is fun.

It just takes off from here. I wanna make sure that we don't go any further because if we do, we'll get off on to about doing 12 seasons of Frasier on this one episode and everything else. That's it, that's my rap on Cheers. Parallel Frequencies, it's Just Blank and Coco. See you guys next time.